'88 Civic starting problem
#106
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Re: '88 Civic starting problem (SOLVED maybe)
Matt Ion wrote:
>
> TeGGeR® wrote:
> > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
> > news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
> >
> >
> >>TeGGeR® wrote:
> >>
> >>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
> >>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
> >>>>problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
> >>>>catch, it won't quite take off.
> >>>>
> >>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
> >>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
> >>
> >>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic, in
> >>fact.
> >>
> >>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
> >>least, the main injector is).
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is correct, and
> > for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly now?
>
> Heheheh, funny story...
>
> > Does the car start with a shot of ether?
>
> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at that point we
> didn't have time to go pick some up.
>
> > A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
>
> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
>
> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh battery and
> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that came in the thing were
> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested outside the engine(???).
>
> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code. I'm
> wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel pump was still in;
> I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage could affect injector
> operation, since all three are on the same circuit off the main relay, and the
> ECU might read the lack of input signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s).
> Or it may have even stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring
> with them disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
>
> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your assistance,
> especially the masterful TeGGeR
So, once again Bosch does it again.
JT
#107
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Re: '88 Civic starting problem (SOLVED maybe)
Matt Ion wrote:
>
> TeGGeR® wrote:
> > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
> > news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
> >
> >
> >>TeGGeR® wrote:
> >>
> >>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
> >>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
> >>>>problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
> >>>>catch, it won't quite take off.
> >>>>
> >>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
> >>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
> >>
> >>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic, in
> >>fact.
> >>
> >>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
> >>least, the main injector is).
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is correct, and
> > for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly now?
>
> Heheheh, funny story...
>
> > Does the car start with a shot of ether?
>
> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at that point we
> didn't have time to go pick some up.
>
> > A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
>
> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
>
> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh battery and
> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that came in the thing were
> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested outside the engine(???).
>
> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code. I'm
> wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel pump was still in;
> I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage could affect injector
> operation, since all three are on the same circuit off the main relay, and the
> ECU might read the lack of input signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s).
> Or it may have even stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring
> with them disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
>
> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your assistance,
> especially the masterful TeGGeR
So, once again Bosch does it again.
JT
#108
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Re: '88 Civic starting problem (SOLVED maybe)
Matt Ion wrote:
>
> TeGGeR® wrote:
> > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
> > news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
> >
> >
> >>TeGGeR® wrote:
> >>
> >>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
> >>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
> >>>>problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
> >>>>catch, it won't quite take off.
> >>>>
> >>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
> >>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
> >>
> >>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic, in
> >>fact.
> >>
> >>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
> >>least, the main injector is).
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is correct, and
> > for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly now?
>
> Heheheh, funny story...
>
> > Does the car start with a shot of ether?
>
> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at that point we
> didn't have time to go pick some up.
>
> > A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
>
> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
>
> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh battery and
> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that came in the thing were
> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested outside the engine(???).
>
> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code. I'm
> wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel pump was still in;
> I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage could affect injector
> operation, since all three are on the same circuit off the main relay, and the
> ECU might read the lack of input signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s).
> Or it may have even stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring
> with them disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
>
> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your assistance,
> especially the masterful TeGGeR
So, once again Bosch does it again.
JT
#109
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Re: '88 Civic starting problem (SOLVED maybe)
"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote
> Matt Ion wrote:
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs
>> and a fresh battery and
>> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were
>> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested
>> outside the engine(???).
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
Someone ought to compile statistics on how many times
non-OEM plugs have been reported here to be behind
starting/running problems. It might make the case easier to
argue.
Once again, another simple solution behind a major problem,
too.
> Matt Ion wrote:
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs
>> and a fresh battery and
>> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were
>> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested
>> outside the engine(???).
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
Someone ought to compile statistics on how many times
non-OEM plugs have been reported here to be behind
starting/running problems. It might make the case easier to
argue.
Once again, another simple solution behind a major problem,
too.
#110
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Re: '88 Civic starting problem (SOLVED maybe)
"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote
> Matt Ion wrote:
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs
>> and a fresh battery and
>> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were
>> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested
>> outside the engine(???).
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
Someone ought to compile statistics on how many times
non-OEM plugs have been reported here to be behind
starting/running problems. It might make the case easier to
argue.
Once again, another simple solution behind a major problem,
too.
> Matt Ion wrote:
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs
>> and a fresh battery and
>> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were
>> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested
>> outside the engine(???).
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
Someone ought to compile statistics on how many times
non-OEM plugs have been reported here to be behind
starting/running problems. It might make the case easier to
argue.
Once again, another simple solution behind a major problem,
too.
#111
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Posts: n/a
Re: '88 Civic starting problem (SOLVED maybe)
"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote
> Matt Ion wrote:
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs
>> and a fresh battery and
>> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were
>> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested
>> outside the engine(???).
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
Someone ought to compile statistics on how many times
non-OEM plugs have been reported here to be behind
starting/running problems. It might make the case easier to
argue.
Once again, another simple solution behind a major problem,
too.
> Matt Ion wrote:
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs
>> and a fresh battery and
>> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were
>> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested
>> outside the engine(???).
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
Someone ought to compile statistics on how many times
non-OEM plugs have been reported here to be behind
starting/running problems. It might make the case easier to
argue.
Once again, another simple solution behind a major problem,
too.
#112
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Posts: n/a
Re: '88 Civic starting problem (SOLVED maybe)
"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote
> Matt Ion wrote:
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs
>> and a fresh battery and
>> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were
>> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested
>> outside the engine(???).
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
Someone ought to compile statistics on how many times
non-OEM plugs have been reported here to be behind
starting/running problems. It might make the case easier to
argue.
Once again, another simple solution behind a major problem,
too.
> Matt Ion wrote:
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs
>> and a fresh battery and
>> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were
>> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested
>> outside the engine(???).
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
Someone ought to compile statistics on how many times
non-OEM plugs have been reported here to be behind
starting/running problems. It might make the case easier to
argue.
Once again, another simple solution behind a major problem,
too.
#113
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Re: '88 Civic starting problem (SOLVED maybe)
Elle wrote:
>
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote
> > Matt Ion wrote:
> >> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs
> >> and a fresh battery and
> >> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
> >> came in the thing were
> >> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested
> >> outside the engine(???).
>
> >
> > So, once again Bosch does it again.
>
> Someone ought to compile statistics on how many times
> non-OEM plugs have been reported here to be behind
> starting/running problems. It might make the case easier to
> argue.
>
> Once again, another simple solution behind a major problem,
> too.
Unfortunately, the Bosch reputation (regarding sparkplugs) ranks below
that of Champion, a brand that I have avoided for many years.
I always use AC, MOPAR etc in my vintage cars.
Regarding modern tin, Bosch plugs fail easily. Let 'em get wet once,
just toss 'em and start over again hopefully selecting another brand.
No Bosch for this guy (well, their wiper motors are ok..)
JT
#114
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Re: '88 Civic starting problem (SOLVED maybe)
Elle wrote:
>
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote
> > Matt Ion wrote:
> >> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs
> >> and a fresh battery and
> >> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
> >> came in the thing were
> >> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested
> >> outside the engine(???).
>
> >
> > So, once again Bosch does it again.
>
> Someone ought to compile statistics on how many times
> non-OEM plugs have been reported here to be behind
> starting/running problems. It might make the case easier to
> argue.
>
> Once again, another simple solution behind a major problem,
> too.
Unfortunately, the Bosch reputation (regarding sparkplugs) ranks below
that of Champion, a brand that I have avoided for many years.
I always use AC, MOPAR etc in my vintage cars.
Regarding modern tin, Bosch plugs fail easily. Let 'em get wet once,
just toss 'em and start over again hopefully selecting another brand.
No Bosch for this guy (well, their wiper motors are ok..)
JT
#115
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Posts: n/a
Re: '88 Civic starting problem (SOLVED maybe)
Elle wrote:
>
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote
> > Matt Ion wrote:
> >> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs
> >> and a fresh battery and
> >> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
> >> came in the thing were
> >> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested
> >> outside the engine(???).
>
> >
> > So, once again Bosch does it again.
>
> Someone ought to compile statistics on how many times
> non-OEM plugs have been reported here to be behind
> starting/running problems. It might make the case easier to
> argue.
>
> Once again, another simple solution behind a major problem,
> too.
Unfortunately, the Bosch reputation (regarding sparkplugs) ranks below
that of Champion, a brand that I have avoided for many years.
I always use AC, MOPAR etc in my vintage cars.
Regarding modern tin, Bosch plugs fail easily. Let 'em get wet once,
just toss 'em and start over again hopefully selecting another brand.
No Bosch for this guy (well, their wiper motors are ok..)
JT
#116
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Posts: n/a
Re: '88 Civic starting problem (SOLVED maybe)
Elle wrote:
>
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote
> > Matt Ion wrote:
> >> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs
> >> and a fresh battery and
> >> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
> >> came in the thing were
> >> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested
> >> outside the engine(???).
>
> >
> > So, once again Bosch does it again.
>
> Someone ought to compile statistics on how many times
> non-OEM plugs have been reported here to be behind
> starting/running problems. It might make the case easier to
> argue.
>
> Once again, another simple solution behind a major problem,
> too.
Unfortunately, the Bosch reputation (regarding sparkplugs) ranks below
that of Champion, a brand that I have avoided for many years.
I always use AC, MOPAR etc in my vintage cars.
Regarding modern tin, Bosch plugs fail easily. Let 'em get wet once,
just toss 'em and start over again hopefully selecting another brand.
No Bosch for this guy (well, their wiper motors are ok..)
JT
#117
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Re: '88 Civic starting problem (SOLVED maybe)
Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in
news:44EA66CA.FDCA543C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>
> Matt Ion wrote:
>>
>> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
>> > news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
>> >
>> >
>> >>TeGGeR® wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> >>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage
>> >>>>drop problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it
>> >>>>tries to catch, it won't quite take off.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>> >>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>> >>
>> >>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic,
>> >>in fact.
>> >>
>> >>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
>> >>least, the main injector is).
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is
>> > correct, and for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly
>> > now?
>>
>> Heheheh, funny story...
>>
>> > Does the car start with a shot of ether?
>>
>> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at
>> that point we didn't have time to go pick some up.
>>
>> > A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
>>
>> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
>>
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh
>> battery and it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were bunk, despite showing good soild spark when
>> tested outside the engine(???).
>>
>> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code.
>> I'm wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel
>> pump was still in; I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage
>> could affect injector operation, since all three are on the same
>> circuit off the main relay, and the ECU might read the lack of input
>> signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s). Or it may have even
>> stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring with them
>> disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
>>
>> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your
>> assistance, especially the masterful TeGGeR
>
>
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
>
> JT
I put a set of Bosch Platinum-2 plugs in my 94 GSR at ~57,000mi,and it
starts and runs fine.It's been about 2 months now.
The old plugs looked OK.
How can new spark plugs be "bunk"?
Were those the plugs that were in there when he acquired the car?
Maybe old plugs,or gaps boogered? Maybe grease on the insulator?
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:44EA66CA.FDCA543C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>
> Matt Ion wrote:
>>
>> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
>> > news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
>> >
>> >
>> >>TeGGeR® wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> >>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage
>> >>>>drop problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it
>> >>>>tries to catch, it won't quite take off.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>> >>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>> >>
>> >>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic,
>> >>in fact.
>> >>
>> >>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
>> >>least, the main injector is).
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is
>> > correct, and for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly
>> > now?
>>
>> Heheheh, funny story...
>>
>> > Does the car start with a shot of ether?
>>
>> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at
>> that point we didn't have time to go pick some up.
>>
>> > A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
>>
>> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
>>
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh
>> battery and it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were bunk, despite showing good soild spark when
>> tested outside the engine(???).
>>
>> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code.
>> I'm wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel
>> pump was still in; I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage
>> could affect injector operation, since all three are on the same
>> circuit off the main relay, and the ECU might read the lack of input
>> signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s). Or it may have even
>> stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring with them
>> disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
>>
>> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your
>> assistance, especially the masterful TeGGeR
>
>
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
>
> JT
I put a set of Bosch Platinum-2 plugs in my 94 GSR at ~57,000mi,and it
starts and runs fine.It's been about 2 months now.
The old plugs looked OK.
How can new spark plugs be "bunk"?
Were those the plugs that were in there when he acquired the car?
Maybe old plugs,or gaps boogered? Maybe grease on the insulator?
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
#118
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Re: '88 Civic starting problem (SOLVED maybe)
Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in
news:44EA66CA.FDCA543C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>
> Matt Ion wrote:
>>
>> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
>> > news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
>> >
>> >
>> >>TeGGeR® wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> >>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage
>> >>>>drop problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it
>> >>>>tries to catch, it won't quite take off.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>> >>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>> >>
>> >>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic,
>> >>in fact.
>> >>
>> >>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
>> >>least, the main injector is).
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is
>> > correct, and for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly
>> > now?
>>
>> Heheheh, funny story...
>>
>> > Does the car start with a shot of ether?
>>
>> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at
>> that point we didn't have time to go pick some up.
>>
>> > A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
>>
>> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
>>
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh
>> battery and it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were bunk, despite showing good soild spark when
>> tested outside the engine(???).
>>
>> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code.
>> I'm wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel
>> pump was still in; I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage
>> could affect injector operation, since all three are on the same
>> circuit off the main relay, and the ECU might read the lack of input
>> signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s). Or it may have even
>> stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring with them
>> disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
>>
>> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your
>> assistance, especially the masterful TeGGeR
>
>
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
>
> JT
I put a set of Bosch Platinum-2 plugs in my 94 GSR at ~57,000mi,and it
starts and runs fine.It's been about 2 months now.
The old plugs looked OK.
How can new spark plugs be "bunk"?
Were those the plugs that were in there when he acquired the car?
Maybe old plugs,or gaps boogered? Maybe grease on the insulator?
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:44EA66CA.FDCA543C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>
> Matt Ion wrote:
>>
>> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
>> > news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
>> >
>> >
>> >>TeGGeR® wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> >>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage
>> >>>>drop problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it
>> >>>>tries to catch, it won't quite take off.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>> >>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>> >>
>> >>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic,
>> >>in fact.
>> >>
>> >>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
>> >>least, the main injector is).
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is
>> > correct, and for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly
>> > now?
>>
>> Heheheh, funny story...
>>
>> > Does the car start with a shot of ether?
>>
>> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at
>> that point we didn't have time to go pick some up.
>>
>> > A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
>>
>> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
>>
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh
>> battery and it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were bunk, despite showing good soild spark when
>> tested outside the engine(???).
>>
>> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code.
>> I'm wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel
>> pump was still in; I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage
>> could affect injector operation, since all three are on the same
>> circuit off the main relay, and the ECU might read the lack of input
>> signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s). Or it may have even
>> stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring with them
>> disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
>>
>> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your
>> assistance, especially the masterful TeGGeR
>
>
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
>
> JT
I put a set of Bosch Platinum-2 plugs in my 94 GSR at ~57,000mi,and it
starts and runs fine.It's been about 2 months now.
The old plugs looked OK.
How can new spark plugs be "bunk"?
Were those the plugs that were in there when he acquired the car?
Maybe old plugs,or gaps boogered? Maybe grease on the insulator?
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: '88 Civic starting problem (SOLVED maybe)
Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in
news:44EA66CA.FDCA543C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>
> Matt Ion wrote:
>>
>> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
>> > news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
>> >
>> >
>> >>TeGGeR® wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> >>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage
>> >>>>drop problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it
>> >>>>tries to catch, it won't quite take off.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>> >>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>> >>
>> >>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic,
>> >>in fact.
>> >>
>> >>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
>> >>least, the main injector is).
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is
>> > correct, and for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly
>> > now?
>>
>> Heheheh, funny story...
>>
>> > Does the car start with a shot of ether?
>>
>> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at
>> that point we didn't have time to go pick some up.
>>
>> > A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
>>
>> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
>>
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh
>> battery and it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were bunk, despite showing good soild spark when
>> tested outside the engine(???).
>>
>> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code.
>> I'm wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel
>> pump was still in; I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage
>> could affect injector operation, since all three are on the same
>> circuit off the main relay, and the ECU might read the lack of input
>> signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s). Or it may have even
>> stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring with them
>> disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
>>
>> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your
>> assistance, especially the masterful TeGGeR
>
>
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
>
> JT
I put a set of Bosch Platinum-2 plugs in my 94 GSR at ~57,000mi,and it
starts and runs fine.It's been about 2 months now.
The old plugs looked OK.
How can new spark plugs be "bunk"?
Were those the plugs that were in there when he acquired the car?
Maybe old plugs,or gaps boogered? Maybe grease on the insulator?
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:44EA66CA.FDCA543C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>
> Matt Ion wrote:
>>
>> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
>> > news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
>> >
>> >
>> >>TeGGeR® wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> >>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage
>> >>>>drop problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it
>> >>>>tries to catch, it won't quite take off.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>> >>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>> >>
>> >>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic,
>> >>in fact.
>> >>
>> >>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
>> >>least, the main injector is).
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is
>> > correct, and for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly
>> > now?
>>
>> Heheheh, funny story...
>>
>> > Does the car start with a shot of ether?
>>
>> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at
>> that point we didn't have time to go pick some up.
>>
>> > A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
>>
>> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
>>
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh
>> battery and it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were bunk, despite showing good soild spark when
>> tested outside the engine(???).
>>
>> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code.
>> I'm wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel
>> pump was still in; I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage
>> could affect injector operation, since all three are on the same
>> circuit off the main relay, and the ECU might read the lack of input
>> signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s). Or it may have even
>> stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring with them
>> disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
>>
>> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your
>> assistance, especially the masterful TeGGeR
>
>
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
>
> JT
I put a set of Bosch Platinum-2 plugs in my 94 GSR at ~57,000mi,and it
starts and runs fine.It's been about 2 months now.
The old plugs looked OK.
How can new spark plugs be "bunk"?
Were those the plugs that were in there when he acquired the car?
Maybe old plugs,or gaps boogered? Maybe grease on the insulator?
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
#120
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: '88 Civic starting problem (SOLVED maybe)
Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in
news:44EA66CA.FDCA543C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>
> Matt Ion wrote:
>>
>> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
>> > news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
>> >
>> >
>> >>TeGGeR® wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> >>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage
>> >>>>drop problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it
>> >>>>tries to catch, it won't quite take off.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>> >>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>> >>
>> >>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic,
>> >>in fact.
>> >>
>> >>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
>> >>least, the main injector is).
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is
>> > correct, and for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly
>> > now?
>>
>> Heheheh, funny story...
>>
>> > Does the car start with a shot of ether?
>>
>> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at
>> that point we didn't have time to go pick some up.
>>
>> > A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
>>
>> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
>>
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh
>> battery and it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were bunk, despite showing good soild spark when
>> tested outside the engine(???).
>>
>> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code.
>> I'm wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel
>> pump was still in; I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage
>> could affect injector operation, since all three are on the same
>> circuit off the main relay, and the ECU might read the lack of input
>> signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s). Or it may have even
>> stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring with them
>> disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
>>
>> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your
>> assistance, especially the masterful TeGGeR
>
>
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
>
> JT
I put a set of Bosch Platinum-2 plugs in my 94 GSR at ~57,000mi,and it
starts and runs fine.It's been about 2 months now.
The old plugs looked OK.
How can new spark plugs be "bunk"?
Were those the plugs that were in there when he acquired the car?
Maybe old plugs,or gaps boogered? Maybe grease on the insulator?
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:44EA66CA.FDCA543C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>
> Matt Ion wrote:
>>
>> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
>> > news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
>> >
>> >
>> >>TeGGeR® wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> >>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage
>> >>>>drop problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it
>> >>>>tries to catch, it won't quite take off.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>> >>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>> >>
>> >>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic,
>> >>in fact.
>> >>
>> >>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
>> >>least, the main injector is).
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is
>> > correct, and for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly
>> > now?
>>
>> Heheheh, funny story...
>>
>> > Does the car start with a shot of ether?
>>
>> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at
>> that point we didn't have time to go pick some up.
>>
>> > A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
>>
>> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
>>
>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh
>> battery and it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>> came in the thing were bunk, despite showing good soild spark when
>> tested outside the engine(???).
>>
>> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code.
>> I'm wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel
>> pump was still in; I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage
>> could affect injector operation, since all three are on the same
>> circuit off the main relay, and the ECU might read the lack of input
>> signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s). Or it may have even
>> stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring with them
>> disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
>>
>> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your
>> assistance, especially the masterful TeGGeR
>
>
>
> So, once again Bosch does it again.
>
> JT
I put a set of Bosch Platinum-2 plugs in my 94 GSR at ~57,000mi,and it
starts and runs fine.It's been about 2 months now.
The old plugs looked OK.
How can new spark plugs be "bunk"?
Were those the plugs that were in there when he acquired the car?
Maybe old plugs,or gaps boogered? Maybe grease on the insulator?
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net