nntp

Same problem here but ignored it. Brake lamp warning disappeared... so with
the seatbelt warning :-(

I am starting to believe that some wires are shot or shorted.

"Jon" <aidplus@fastmail.com.au> wrote in message
news:415d75db$0$10349$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> Let me know if you come with a solution. I have the same problem. the
wife's
> driving me nuts reporting it every time it comeson. every thing appears
> normal. Fluid, lights and it comes on at odd times, ie not even the brake
> being touched.
> These things arent RF sensitive are they?
> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
> news:BD7DB63A.9F7CB%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
> > I don't have specific experience with that model Honda, but on the later
> > '90s models, the low fluid switch is built into the master cylinder
cover.
> > If yours has a two wire connector coming out of the lid and a shaft
> > descending down from it into the fluid reservoir, with a float that
slides
> > on the shaft, that is the switch. BUT - it lights the parking brake
> light
> > "brake", not the "brake lamp" light.
> >
> > The "brake lamp" light only means bulbs in the back. If the bulbs are
> good
> > and the light is on anyway, then there is a problem with the wiring
(check
> > the grounds in the trunk & coming off the taillights ) or with the
> > controller that turns on that light. I believe it is located somewhere
in
> > the trunk.
> >
> >
> > On 9/27/04 2:45 AM, in article
3iffl0tgl1janiqr7tf7ol6koro8ciirne@4ax.com,
> > "Charlie S" <chasa@rcn.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I am having the same problem with my son's '92 Accord. In the past
> > > when that light on the dash was illuminated, there was a burned out
> > > tail light.
> > >
> > > I have looked at a Chilton '90 - '92 Accord wiring diagram and it does
> > > not show a brake fluid switch in the Brake light failure circuit but
> > > Auto wiring diagrams often leave things out.
> > >
> > > I was unable to find a brake fluid level switch anywhere else in the
> > > wiring diagrams.
> > >
> > > I hope someone comes up with an answer so I can fix our Honda.
> > >
> > > On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:18:48 GMT, "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> This is NOT the indicator for the "BRAKES" it is an information
display
> that
> > >> says ' brake LAMP ' (along with door/trunk open, etc.) .Thanks for
the
> > >> replies...bob
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Grahame" <grahame.joyce@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > >> news:Jty5d.38$N9.31785@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > >>> Check your brake fluid level in the master cylinder, also the low
> level is
> > >>> probably the result of a leaking wheel cylinder, very common at this
> age.
> > >>>
> > >>> "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > >>> news:55p5d.106513$%S.23011@pd7tw2no...
> > >>>> 1990 Honda Accord 4 door. Canadian edition (DLR.,etc.). Recently
the
> > >> dash
> > >>>> indicator for "Brake Lamp" has been illuminating constantly (was
> > >>>> intermittant for a short time). All brake lamps seem to be
operating
> > >>>> properly, including HighMount, however indicator is lit whenever
> vehicle
> > >>> is
> > >>>> in motion.(i.e. no park brake). Anyone have any suggestions as to
the
> > >>>> cause/reason? Anyone have a wiring diagram as to how this magic all
> > >> takes
> > >>>> place? Anyone with a suggestion other than remove dash indicator
> lamp? I
> > >>>> know you guys are really sharp on these things and my daughter will
> > >> really
> > >>>> appreciate not having to look at that little red lamp all the time.
> > >>> Thankyou
> > >>>> to each and all of you who have taken the time to read this post
and
> > >> give
> > >>> it
> > >>>> your consideration. I hope we will come up with a solution before I
> have
> > >>> to
> > >>>> take it to the dealership for a $100+ dollar fix. Looking forward
to
> > >> your
> > >>>> reply and thanks again......bob
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
>

Steve Bigelow

"Jon" <aidplus@fastmail.com.au> wrote in message
news:415d75db$0$10349$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> Let me know if you come with a solution. I have the same problem. the
> wife's
> driving me nuts reporting it every time it comeson. every thing appears
> normal. Fluid, lights and it comes on at odd times, ie not even the brake
> being touched.
> These things arent RF sensitive are they?


I believe they measure a difference in resistance. Try changing out both
brake light bulbs.


> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
> news:BD7DB63A.9F7CB%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
>> I don't have specific experience with that model Honda, but on the later
>> '90s models, the low fluid switch is built into the master cylinder
>> cover.
>> If yours has a two wire connector coming out of the lid and a shaft
>> descending down from it into the fluid reservoir, with a float that
>> slides
>> on the shaft, that is the switch. BUT - it lights the parking brake
> light
>> "brake", not the "brake lamp" light.
>>
>> The "brake lamp" light only means bulbs in the back. If the bulbs are
> good
>> and the light is on anyway, then there is a problem with the wiring
>> (check
>> the grounds in the trunk & coming off the taillights ) or with the
>> controller that turns on that light. I believe it is located somewhere
>> in
>> the trunk.
>>
>>
>> On 9/27/04 2:45 AM, in article
>> 3iffl0tgl1janiqr7tf7ol6koro8ciirne@4ax.com,
>> "Charlie S" <chasa@rcn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I am having the same problem with my son's '92 Accord. In the past
>> > when that light on the dash was illuminated, there was a burned out
>> > tail light.
>> >
>> > I have looked at a Chilton '90 - '92 Accord wiring diagram and it does
>> > not show a brake fluid switch in the Brake light failure circuit but
>> > Auto wiring diagrams often leave things out.
>> >
>> > I was unable to find a brake fluid level switch anywhere else in the
>> > wiring diagrams.
>> >
>> > I hope someone comes up with an answer so I can fix our Honda.
>> >
>> > On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:18:48 GMT, "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> This is NOT the indicator for the "BRAKES" it is an information
>> >> display
> that
>> >> says ' brake LAMP ' (along with door/trunk open, etc.) .Thanks for the
>> >> replies...bob
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Grahame" <grahame.joyce@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:Jty5d.38$N9.31785@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> >>> Check your brake fluid level in the master cylinder, also the low
> level is
>> >>> probably the result of a leaking wheel cylinder, very common at this
> age.
>> >>>
>> >>> "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> >>> news:55p5d.106513$%S.23011@pd7tw2no...
>> >>>> 1990 Honda Accord 4 door. Canadian edition (DLR.,etc.). Recently the
>> >> dash
>> >>>> indicator for "Brake Lamp" has been illuminating constantly (was
>> >>>> intermittant for a short time). All brake lamps seem to be operating
>> >>>> properly, including HighMount, however indicator is lit whenever
> vehicle
>> >>> is
>> >>>> in motion.(i.e. no park brake). Anyone have any suggestions as to
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> cause/reason? Anyone have a wiring diagram as to how this magic all
>> >> takes
>> >>>> place? Anyone with a suggestion other than remove dash indicator
> lamp? I
>> >>>> know you guys are really sharp on these things and my daughter will
>> >> really
>> >>>> appreciate not having to look at that little red lamp all the time.
>> >>> Thankyou
>> >>>> to each and all of you who have taken the time to read this post and
>> >> give
>> >>> it
>> >>>> your consideration. I hope we will come up with a solution before I
> have
>> >>> to
>> >>>> take it to the dealership for a $100+ dollar fix. Looking forward to
>> >> your
>> >>>> reply and thanks again......bob
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>

Steve Bigelow

"Jon" <aidplus@fastmail.com.au> wrote in message
news:415d75db$0$10349$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> Let me know if you come with a solution. I have the same problem. the
> wife's
> driving me nuts reporting it every time it comeson. every thing appears
> normal. Fluid, lights and it comes on at odd times, ie not even the brake
> being touched.
> These things arent RF sensitive are they?


I believe they measure a difference in resistance. Try changing out both
brake light bulbs.


> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
> news:BD7DB63A.9F7CB%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
>> I don't have specific experience with that model Honda, but on the later
>> '90s models, the low fluid switch is built into the master cylinder
>> cover.
>> If yours has a two wire connector coming out of the lid and a shaft
>> descending down from it into the fluid reservoir, with a float that
>> slides
>> on the shaft, that is the switch. BUT - it lights the parking brake
> light
>> "brake", not the "brake lamp" light.
>>
>> The "brake lamp" light only means bulbs in the back. If the bulbs are
> good
>> and the light is on anyway, then there is a problem with the wiring
>> (check
>> the grounds in the trunk & coming off the taillights ) or with the
>> controller that turns on that light. I believe it is located somewhere
>> in
>> the trunk.
>>
>>
>> On 9/27/04 2:45 AM, in article
>> 3iffl0tgl1janiqr7tf7ol6koro8ciirne@4ax.com,
>> "Charlie S" <chasa@rcn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I am having the same problem with my son's '92 Accord. In the past
>> > when that light on the dash was illuminated, there was a burned out
>> > tail light.
>> >
>> > I have looked at a Chilton '90 - '92 Accord wiring diagram and it does
>> > not show a brake fluid switch in the Brake light failure circuit but
>> > Auto wiring diagrams often leave things out.
>> >
>> > I was unable to find a brake fluid level switch anywhere else in the
>> > wiring diagrams.
>> >
>> > I hope someone comes up with an answer so I can fix our Honda.
>> >
>> > On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:18:48 GMT, "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> This is NOT the indicator for the "BRAKES" it is an information
>> >> display
> that
>> >> says ' brake LAMP ' (along with door/trunk open, etc.) .Thanks for the
>> >> replies...bob
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Grahame" <grahame.joyce@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:Jty5d.38$N9.31785@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> >>> Check your brake fluid level in the master cylinder, also the low
> level is
>> >>> probably the result of a leaking wheel cylinder, very common at this
> age.
>> >>>
>> >>> "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> >>> news:55p5d.106513$%S.23011@pd7tw2no...
>> >>>> 1990 Honda Accord 4 door. Canadian edition (DLR.,etc.). Recently the
>> >> dash
>> >>>> indicator for "Brake Lamp" has been illuminating constantly (was
>> >>>> intermittant for a short time). All brake lamps seem to be operating
>> >>>> properly, including HighMount, however indicator is lit whenever
> vehicle
>> >>> is
>> >>>> in motion.(i.e. no park brake). Anyone have any suggestions as to
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> cause/reason? Anyone have a wiring diagram as to how this magic all
>> >> takes
>> >>>> place? Anyone with a suggestion other than remove dash indicator
> lamp? I
>> >>>> know you guys are really sharp on these things and my daughter will
>> >> really
>> >>>> appreciate not having to look at that little red lamp all the time.
>> >>> Thankyou
>> >>>> to each and all of you who have taken the time to read this post and
>> >> give
>> >>> it
>> >>>> your consideration. I hope we will come up with a solution before I
> have
>> >>> to
>> >>>> take it to the dealership for a $100+ dollar fix. Looking forward to
>> >> your
>> >>>> reply and thanks again......bob
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>

Steve Bigelow

"Jon" <aidplus@fastmail.com.au> wrote in message
news:415d75db$0$10349$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> Let me know if you come with a solution. I have the same problem. the
> wife's
> driving me nuts reporting it every time it comeson. every thing appears
> normal. Fluid, lights and it comes on at odd times, ie not even the brake
> being touched.
> These things arent RF sensitive are they?


I believe they measure a difference in resistance. Try changing out both
brake light bulbs.


> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
> news:BD7DB63A.9F7CB%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
>> I don't have specific experience with that model Honda, but on the later
>> '90s models, the low fluid switch is built into the master cylinder
>> cover.
>> If yours has a two wire connector coming out of the lid and a shaft
>> descending down from it into the fluid reservoir, with a float that
>> slides
>> on the shaft, that is the switch. BUT - it lights the parking brake
> light
>> "brake", not the "brake lamp" light.
>>
>> The "brake lamp" light only means bulbs in the back. If the bulbs are
> good
>> and the light is on anyway, then there is a problem with the wiring
>> (check
>> the grounds in the trunk & coming off the taillights ) or with the
>> controller that turns on that light. I believe it is located somewhere
>> in
>> the trunk.
>>
>>
>> On 9/27/04 2:45 AM, in article
>> 3iffl0tgl1janiqr7tf7ol6koro8ciirne@4ax.com,
>> "Charlie S" <chasa@rcn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I am having the same problem with my son's '92 Accord. In the past
>> > when that light on the dash was illuminated, there was a burned out
>> > tail light.
>> >
>> > I have looked at a Chilton '90 - '92 Accord wiring diagram and it does
>> > not show a brake fluid switch in the Brake light failure circuit but
>> > Auto wiring diagrams often leave things out.
>> >
>> > I was unable to find a brake fluid level switch anywhere else in the
>> > wiring diagrams.
>> >
>> > I hope someone comes up with an answer so I can fix our Honda.
>> >
>> > On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:18:48 GMT, "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> This is NOT the indicator for the "BRAKES" it is an information
>> >> display
> that
>> >> says ' brake LAMP ' (along with door/trunk open, etc.) .Thanks for the
>> >> replies...bob
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Grahame" <grahame.joyce@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:Jty5d.38$N9.31785@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> >>> Check your brake fluid level in the master cylinder, also the low
> level is
>> >>> probably the result of a leaking wheel cylinder, very common at this
> age.
>> >>>
>> >>> "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> >>> news:55p5d.106513$%S.23011@pd7tw2no...
>> >>>> 1990 Honda Accord 4 door. Canadian edition (DLR.,etc.). Recently the
>> >> dash
>> >>>> indicator for "Brake Lamp" has been illuminating constantly (was
>> >>>> intermittant for a short time). All brake lamps seem to be operating
>> >>>> properly, including HighMount, however indicator is lit whenever
> vehicle
>> >>> is
>> >>>> in motion.(i.e. no park brake). Anyone have any suggestions as to
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> cause/reason? Anyone have a wiring diagram as to how this magic all
>> >> takes
>> >>>> place? Anyone with a suggestion other than remove dash indicator
> lamp? I
>> >>>> know you guys are really sharp on these things and my daughter will
>> >> really
>> >>>> appreciate not having to look at that little red lamp all the time.
>> >>> Thankyou
>> >>>> to each and all of you who have taken the time to read this post and
>> >> give
>> >>> it
>> >>>> your consideration. I hope we will come up with a solution before I
> have
>> >>> to
>> >>>> take it to the dealership for a $100+ dollar fix. Looking forward to
>> >> your
>> >>>> reply and thanks again......bob
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>

Jon

Let me know if you come with a solution. I have the same problem. the wife's
driving me nuts reporting it every time it comeson. every thing appears
normal. Fluid, lights and it comes on at odd times, ie not even the brake
being touched.
These things arent RF sensitive are they?
"E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:BD7DB63A.9F7CB%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
> I don't have specific experience with that model Honda, but on the later
> '90s models, the low fluid switch is built into the master cylinder cover.
> If yours has a two wire connector coming out of the lid and a shaft
> descending down from it into the fluid reservoir, with a float that slides
> on the shaft, that is the switch. BUT - it lights the parking brake
light
> "brake", not the "brake lamp" light.
>
> The "brake lamp" light only means bulbs in the back. If the bulbs are
good
> and the light is on anyway, then there is a problem with the wiring (check
> the grounds in the trunk & coming off the taillights ) or with the
> controller that turns on that light. I believe it is located somewhere in
> the trunk.
>
>
> On 9/27/04 2:45 AM, in article 3iffl0tgl1janiqr7tf7ol6koro8ciirne@4ax.com,
> "Charlie S" <chasa@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> > I am having the same problem with my son's '92 Accord. In the past
> > when that light on the dash was illuminated, there was a burned out
> > tail light.
> >
> > I have looked at a Chilton '90 - '92 Accord wiring diagram and it does
> > not show a brake fluid switch in the Brake light failure circuit but
> > Auto wiring diagrams often leave things out.
> >
> > I was unable to find a brake fluid level switch anywhere else in the
> > wiring diagrams.
> >
> > I hope someone comes up with an answer so I can fix our Honda.
> >
> > On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:18:48 GMT, "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> This is NOT the indicator for the "BRAKES" it is an information display
that
> >> says ' brake LAMP ' (along with door/trunk open, etc.) .Thanks for the
> >> replies...bob
> >>
> >>
> >> "Grahame" <grahame.joyce@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:Jty5d.38$N9.31785@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >>> Check your brake fluid level in the master cylinder, also the low
level is
> >>> probably the result of a leaking wheel cylinder, very common at this
age.
> >>>
> >>> "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> >>> news:55p5d.106513$%S.23011@pd7tw2no...
> >>>> 1990 Honda Accord 4 door. Canadian edition (DLR.,etc.). Recently the
> >> dash
> >>>> indicator for "Brake Lamp" has been illuminating constantly (was
> >>>> intermittant for a short time). All brake lamps seem to be operating
> >>>> properly, including HighMount, however indicator is lit whenever
vehicle
> >>> is
> >>>> in motion.(i.e. no park brake). Anyone have any suggestions as to the
> >>>> cause/reason? Anyone have a wiring diagram as to how this magic all
> >> takes
> >>>> place? Anyone with a suggestion other than remove dash indicator
lamp? I
> >>>> know you guys are really sharp on these things and my daughter will
> >> really
> >>>> appreciate not having to look at that little red lamp all the time.
> >>> Thankyou
> >>>> to each and all of you who have taken the time to read this post and
> >> give
> >>> it
> >>>> your consideration. I hope we will come up with a solution before I
have
> >>> to
> >>>> take it to the dealership for a $100+ dollar fix. Looking forward to
> >> your
> >>>> reply and thanks again......bob
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

Jon

Let me know if you come with a solution. I have the same problem. the wife's
driving me nuts reporting it every time it comeson. every thing appears
normal. Fluid, lights and it comes on at odd times, ie not even the brake
being touched.
These things arent RF sensitive are they?
"E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:BD7DB63A.9F7CB%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
> I don't have specific experience with that model Honda, but on the later
> '90s models, the low fluid switch is built into the master cylinder cover.
> If yours has a two wire connector coming out of the lid and a shaft
> descending down from it into the fluid reservoir, with a float that slides
> on the shaft, that is the switch. BUT - it lights the parking brake
light
> "brake", not the "brake lamp" light.
>
> The "brake lamp" light only means bulbs in the back. If the bulbs are
good
> and the light is on anyway, then there is a problem with the wiring (check
> the grounds in the trunk & coming off the taillights ) or with the
> controller that turns on that light. I believe it is located somewhere in
> the trunk.
>
>
> On 9/27/04 2:45 AM, in article 3iffl0tgl1janiqr7tf7ol6koro8ciirne@4ax.com,
> "Charlie S" <chasa@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> > I am having the same problem with my son's '92 Accord. In the past
> > when that light on the dash was illuminated, there was a burned out
> > tail light.
> >
> > I have looked at a Chilton '90 - '92 Accord wiring diagram and it does
> > not show a brake fluid switch in the Brake light failure circuit but
> > Auto wiring diagrams often leave things out.
> >
> > I was unable to find a brake fluid level switch anywhere else in the
> > wiring diagrams.
> >
> > I hope someone comes up with an answer so I can fix our Honda.
> >
> > On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:18:48 GMT, "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> This is NOT the indicator for the "BRAKES" it is an information display
that
> >> says ' brake LAMP ' (along with door/trunk open, etc.) .Thanks for the
> >> replies...bob
> >>
> >>
> >> "Grahame" <grahame.joyce@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:Jty5d.38$N9.31785@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >>> Check your brake fluid level in the master cylinder, also the low
level is
> >>> probably the result of a leaking wheel cylinder, very common at this
age.
> >>>
> >>> "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> >>> news:55p5d.106513$%S.23011@pd7tw2no...
> >>>> 1990 Honda Accord 4 door. Canadian edition (DLR.,etc.). Recently the
> >> dash
> >>>> indicator for "Brake Lamp" has been illuminating constantly (was
> >>>> intermittant for a short time). All brake lamps seem to be operating
> >>>> properly, including HighMount, however indicator is lit whenever
vehicle
> >>> is
> >>>> in motion.(i.e. no park brake). Anyone have any suggestions as to the
> >>>> cause/reason? Anyone have a wiring diagram as to how this magic all
> >> takes
> >>>> place? Anyone with a suggestion other than remove dash indicator
lamp? I
> >>>> know you guys are really sharp on these things and my daughter will
> >> really
> >>>> appreciate not having to look at that little red lamp all the time.
> >>> Thankyou
> >>>> to each and all of you who have taken the time to read this post and
> >> give
> >>> it
> >>>> your consideration. I hope we will come up with a solution before I
have
> >>> to
> >>>> take it to the dealership for a $100+ dollar fix. Looking forward to
> >> your
> >>>> reply and thanks again......bob
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

Jon

Let me know if you come with a solution. I have the same problem. the wife's
driving me nuts reporting it every time it comeson. every thing appears
normal. Fluid, lights and it comes on at odd times, ie not even the brake
being touched.
These things arent RF sensitive are they?
"E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:BD7DB63A.9F7CB%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
> I don't have specific experience with that model Honda, but on the later
> '90s models, the low fluid switch is built into the master cylinder cover.
> If yours has a two wire connector coming out of the lid and a shaft
> descending down from it into the fluid reservoir, with a float that slides
> on the shaft, that is the switch. BUT - it lights the parking brake
light
> "brake", not the "brake lamp" light.
>
> The "brake lamp" light only means bulbs in the back. If the bulbs are
good
> and the light is on anyway, then there is a problem with the wiring (check
> the grounds in the trunk & coming off the taillights ) or with the
> controller that turns on that light. I believe it is located somewhere in
> the trunk.
>
>
> On 9/27/04 2:45 AM, in article 3iffl0tgl1janiqr7tf7ol6koro8ciirne@4ax.com,
> "Charlie S" <chasa@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> > I am having the same problem with my son's '92 Accord. In the past
> > when that light on the dash was illuminated, there was a burned out
> > tail light.
> >
> > I have looked at a Chilton '90 - '92 Accord wiring diagram and it does
> > not show a brake fluid switch in the Brake light failure circuit but
> > Auto wiring diagrams often leave things out.
> >
> > I was unable to find a brake fluid level switch anywhere else in the
> > wiring diagrams.
> >
> > I hope someone comes up with an answer so I can fix our Honda.
> >
> > On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:18:48 GMT, "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> This is NOT the indicator for the "BRAKES" it is an information display
that
> >> says ' brake LAMP ' (along with door/trunk open, etc.) .Thanks for the
> >> replies...bob
> >>
> >>
> >> "Grahame" <grahame.joyce@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:Jty5d.38$N9.31785@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >>> Check your brake fluid level in the master cylinder, also the low
level is
> >>> probably the result of a leaking wheel cylinder, very common at this
age.
> >>>
> >>> "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> >>> news:55p5d.106513$%S.23011@pd7tw2no...
> >>>> 1990 Honda Accord 4 door. Canadian edition (DLR.,etc.). Recently the
> >> dash
> >>>> indicator for "Brake Lamp" has been illuminating constantly (was
> >>>> intermittant for a short time). All brake lamps seem to be operating
> >>>> properly, including HighMount, however indicator is lit whenever
vehicle
> >>> is
> >>>> in motion.(i.e. no park brake). Anyone have any suggestions as to the
> >>>> cause/reason? Anyone have a wiring diagram as to how this magic all
> >> takes
> >>>> place? Anyone with a suggestion other than remove dash indicator
lamp? I
> >>>> know you guys are really sharp on these things and my daughter will
> >> really
> >>>> appreciate not having to look at that little red lamp all the time.
> >>> Thankyou
> >>>> to each and all of you who have taken the time to read this post and
> >> give
> >>> it
> >>>> your consideration. I hope we will come up with a solution before I
have
> >>> to
> >>>> take it to the dealership for a $100+ dollar fix. Looking forward to
> >> your
> >>>> reply and thanks again......bob
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

Grahame

Did you actually check that the center stop light is working, I had this
same problem a few years ago, check the connector behind the plastic door
for the right side tail lights in the trunk. There are 7 -8 wires in this
connector and possibly one of them is loose from what I remember.

"BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:55p5d.106513$%S.23011@pd7tw2no...
> 1990 Honda Accord 4 door. Canadian edition (DLR.,etc.). Recently the dash
> indicator for "Brake Lamp" has been illuminating constantly (was
> intermittant for a short time). All brake lamps seem to be operating
> properly, including HighMount, however indicator is lit whenever vehicle
is
> in motion.(i.e. no park brake). Anyone have any suggestions as to the
> cause/reason? Anyone have a wiring diagram as to how this magic all takes
> place? Anyone with a suggestion other than remove dash indicator lamp? I
> know you guys are really sharp on these things and my daughter will really
> appreciate not having to look at that little red lamp all the time.
Thankyou
> to each and all of you who have taken the time to read this post and give
it
> your consideration. I hope we will come up with a solution before I have
to
> take it to the dealership for a $100+ dollar fix. Looking forward to your
> reply and thanks again......bob
>
>

Grahame

Did you actually check that the center stop light is working, I had this
same problem a few years ago, check the connector behind the plastic door
for the right side tail lights in the trunk. There are 7 -8 wires in this
connector and possibly one of them is loose from what I remember.

"BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:55p5d.106513$%S.23011@pd7tw2no...
> 1990 Honda Accord 4 door. Canadian edition (DLR.,etc.). Recently the dash
> indicator for "Brake Lamp" has been illuminating constantly (was
> intermittant for a short time). All brake lamps seem to be operating
> properly, including HighMount, however indicator is lit whenever vehicle
is
> in motion.(i.e. no park brake). Anyone have any suggestions as to the
> cause/reason? Anyone have a wiring diagram as to how this magic all takes
> place? Anyone with a suggestion other than remove dash indicator lamp? I
> know you guys are really sharp on these things and my daughter will really
> appreciate not having to look at that little red lamp all the time.
Thankyou
> to each and all of you who have taken the time to read this post and give
it
> your consideration. I hope we will come up with a solution before I have
to
> take it to the dealership for a $100+ dollar fix. Looking forward to your
> reply and thanks again......bob
>
>

Grahame

Did you actually check that the center stop light is working, I had this
same problem a few years ago, check the connector behind the plastic door
for the right side tail lights in the trunk. There are 7 -8 wires in this
connector and possibly one of them is loose from what I remember.

"BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:55p5d.106513$%S.23011@pd7tw2no...
> 1990 Honda Accord 4 door. Canadian edition (DLR.,etc.). Recently the dash
> indicator for "Brake Lamp" has been illuminating constantly (was
> intermittant for a short time). All brake lamps seem to be operating
> properly, including HighMount, however indicator is lit whenever vehicle
is
> in motion.(i.e. no park brake). Anyone have any suggestions as to the
> cause/reason? Anyone have a wiring diagram as to how this magic all takes
> place? Anyone with a suggestion other than remove dash indicator lamp? I
> know you guys are really sharp on these things and my daughter will really
> appreciate not having to look at that little red lamp all the time.
Thankyou
> to each and all of you who have taken the time to read this post and give
it
> your consideration. I hope we will come up with a solution before I have
to
> take it to the dealership for a $100+ dollar fix. Looking forward to your
> reply and thanks again......bob
>
>

Randolph

Steve Bigelow wrote:
>
> "Jon" <aidplus@fastmail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:415d75db$0$10349$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> > Let me know if you come with a solution. I have the same problem. the
> > wife's
> > driving me nuts reporting it every time it comeson. every thing appears
> > normal. Fluid, lights and it comes on at odd times, ie not even the brake
> > being touched.
> > These things arent RF sensitive are they?
>
> I believe they measure a difference in resistance. Try changing out both
> brake light bulbs.

According to the wiring diagram there is no measuring of resistance
differences. The test is only that the resistance of each circuit is low
enough that there is sufficient current to pull a relay. Also, from the
same wiring diagram, it looks like the high mounted brake light is not
monitored at all.

I do not know what the threshold current is for the relays. I believe
the '90 Accord uses a dual filament bulb (#2057) for the tail / stop
light. If it were possible to jam this bulb in reversed, you would get 7
Watt stop lights and 27 Watt tail lights. This would mean that the
current seen by the monitoring circuit is only about 1/4 of what it
should be, and this may be low enough that the monitoring circuit trips
the brake bulb alarm. Check if all tail lights work, and that all brake
lights are noticeably brighter than the tail lights.

A second possible problem is a missing ground in one of the tail lights.
With tail lights off, the brake lights would work but be very dim. With
tail lights on, the tail lights would have close to normal brightness,
and stepping on the brakes would cause the tail lights to turn off and
brake lights to not work. In this condition too, the current will be
much lower than normal, and the monitor circuit may detect the situation
as a broken brake light.

Randolph

Steve Bigelow wrote:
>
> "Jon" <aidplus@fastmail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:415d75db$0$10349$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> > Let me know if you come with a solution. I have the same problem. the
> > wife's
> > driving me nuts reporting it every time it comeson. every thing appears
> > normal. Fluid, lights and it comes on at odd times, ie not even the brake
> > being touched.
> > These things arent RF sensitive are they?
>
> I believe they measure a difference in resistance. Try changing out both
> brake light bulbs.

According to the wiring diagram there is no measuring of resistance
differences. The test is only that the resistance of each circuit is low
enough that there is sufficient current to pull a relay. Also, from the
same wiring diagram, it looks like the high mounted brake light is not
monitored at all.

I do not know what the threshold current is for the relays. I believe
the '90 Accord uses a dual filament bulb (#2057) for the tail / stop
light. If it were possible to jam this bulb in reversed, you would get 7
Watt stop lights and 27 Watt tail lights. This would mean that the
current seen by the monitoring circuit is only about 1/4 of what it
should be, and this may be low enough that the monitoring circuit trips
the brake bulb alarm. Check if all tail lights work, and that all brake
lights are noticeably brighter than the tail lights.

A second possible problem is a missing ground in one of the tail lights.
With tail lights off, the brake lights would work but be very dim. With
tail lights on, the tail lights would have close to normal brightness,
and stepping on the brakes would cause the tail lights to turn off and
brake lights to not work. In this condition too, the current will be
much lower than normal, and the monitor circuit may detect the situation
as a broken brake light.

Randolph

Steve Bigelow wrote:
>
> "Jon" <aidplus@fastmail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:415d75db$0$10349$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> > Let me know if you come with a solution. I have the same problem. the
> > wife's
> > driving me nuts reporting it every time it comeson. every thing appears
> > normal. Fluid, lights and it comes on at odd times, ie not even the brake
> > being touched.
> > These things arent RF sensitive are they?
>
> I believe they measure a difference in resistance. Try changing out both
> brake light bulbs.

According to the wiring diagram there is no measuring of resistance
differences. The test is only that the resistance of each circuit is low
enough that there is sufficient current to pull a relay. Also, from the
same wiring diagram, it looks like the high mounted brake light is not
monitored at all.

I do not know what the threshold current is for the relays. I believe
the '90 Accord uses a dual filament bulb (#2057) for the tail / stop
light. If it were possible to jam this bulb in reversed, you would get 7
Watt stop lights and 27 Watt tail lights. This would mean that the
current seen by the monitoring circuit is only about 1/4 of what it
should be, and this may be low enough that the monitoring circuit trips
the brake bulb alarm. Check if all tail lights work, and that all brake
lights are noticeably brighter than the tail lights.

A second possible problem is a missing ground in one of the tail lights.
With tail lights off, the brake lights would work but be very dim. With
tail lights on, the tail lights would have close to normal brightness,
and stepping on the brakes would cause the tail lights to turn off and
brake lights to not work. In this condition too, the current will be
much lower than normal, and the monitor circuit may detect the situation
as a broken brake light.

Jon

Will try the wiring plug (as you mentioned) first. Then the earth
connections.
Its funny though that the lights come on at any point in time.
All I have to do then is work out why the auto is slurring its
gear change from start, especially under load, but not if its accellerating
hard.

"Grahame" <grahame.joyce@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:bfz7d.33192$tT2.2164293@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> Did you actually check that the center stop light is working, I had this
> same problem a few years ago, check the connector behind the plastic door
> for the right side tail lights in the trunk. There are 7 -8 wires in this
> connector and possibly one of them is loose from what I remember.
>
> "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:55p5d.106513$%S.23011@pd7tw2no...
> > 1990 Honda Accord 4 door. Canadian edition (DLR.,etc.). Recently the
dash
> > indicator for "Brake Lamp" has been illuminating constantly (was
> > intermittant for a short time). All brake lamps seem to be operating
> > properly, including HighMount, however indicator is lit whenever vehicle
> is
> > in motion.(i.e. no park brake). Anyone have any suggestions as to the
> > cause/reason? Anyone have a wiring diagram as to how this magic all
takes
> > place? Anyone with a suggestion other than remove dash indicator lamp? I
> > know you guys are really sharp on these things and my daughter will
really
> > appreciate not having to look at that little red lamp all the time.
> Thankyou
> > to each and all of you who have taken the time to read this post and
give
> it
> > your consideration. I hope we will come up with a solution before I have
> to
> > take it to the dealership for a $100+ dollar fix. Looking forward to
your
> > reply and thanks again......bob
> >
> >
>
>

Jon

Will try the wiring plug (as you mentioned) first. Then the earth
connections.
Its funny though that the lights come on at any point in time.
All I have to do then is work out why the auto is slurring its
gear change from start, especially under load, but not if its accellerating
hard.

"Grahame" <grahame.joyce@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:bfz7d.33192$tT2.2164293@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> Did you actually check that the center stop light is working, I had this
> same problem a few years ago, check the connector behind the plastic door
> for the right side tail lights in the trunk. There are 7 -8 wires in this
> connector and possibly one of them is loose from what I remember.
>
> "BC Bob" <bobb@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:55p5d.106513$%S.23011@pd7tw2no...
> > 1990 Honda Accord 4 door. Canadian edition (DLR.,etc.). Recently the
dash
> > indicator for "Brake Lamp" has been illuminating constantly (was
> > intermittant for a short time). All brake lamps seem to be operating
> > properly, including HighMount, however indicator is lit whenever vehicle
> is
> > in motion.(i.e. no park brake). Anyone have any suggestions as to the
> > cause/reason? Anyone have a wiring diagram as to how this magic all
takes
> > place? Anyone with a suggestion other than remove dash indicator lamp? I
> > know you guys are really sharp on these things and my daughter will
really
> > appreciate not having to look at that little red lamp all the time.
> Thankyou
> > to each and all of you who have taken the time to read this post and
give
> it
> > your consideration. I hope we will come up with a solution before I have
> to
> > take it to the dealership for a $100+ dollar fix. Looking forward to
your
> > reply and thanks again......bob
> >
> >
>
>