ahso#1

Hi Folks,
I own a 91 Honda wagon with a 1.5 liter motor and over 235k miles on it .
Last night on the way home from work I had to stop off to the bank and when
I came out and started the car again something really strange occured .Follw
me on this please I know it sounds long winded but I need to explain and
describe this so I can get a possible diagnosis from the Honda Gurus here in
the group!
I got in the car and turned the key to the part past accessory where the
heater kicks on and dummy lights etc come on .But when I go past that part
where you engage the starter and start the the car the heater nor the radio
will work,everything else was in good working order . The part I don't
understand is that heater won't run when the car is running only when the
key is in the mode before you engage the starter(I don't know what that part
is called).Any ideas ? Alternator perhaps? The lights were not dimmed or
anything.....
Thanks in Advance,
Will

Jeff

ahso#1 wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> I own a 91 Honda wagon with a 1.5 liter motor and over 235k miles on it .
> Last night on the way home from work I had to stop off to the bank and when
> I came out and started the car again something really strange occured .Follw
> me on this please I know it sounds long winded but I need to explain and
> describe this so I can get a possible diagnosis from the Honda Gurus here in
> the group!
> I got in the car and turned the key to the part past accessory where the
> heater kicks on and dummy lights etc come on .But when I go past that part
> where you engage the starter and start the the car the heater nor the radio
> will work,everything else was in good working order . The part I don't
> understand is that heater won't run when the car is running only when the
> key is in the mode before you engage the starter(I don't know what that part
> is called).Any ideas ? Alternator perhaps? The lights were not dimmed or
> anything.....
> Thanks in Advance,
> Wills

It sound like you may need a new ignition switch (the thing you put the
keys in to start the car).

Jeff

ahso#1

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sVVvj.202$R_5.9@trnddc08...
> ahso#1 wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>> I own a 91 Honda wagon with a 1.5 liter motor and over 235k miles on
>> it . Last night on the way home from work I had to stop off to the bank
>> and when I came out and started the car again something really strange
>> occured .Follw me on this please I know it sounds long winded but I need
>> to explain and describe this so I can get a possible diagnosis from the
>> Honda Gurus here in the group!
>> I got in the car and turned the key to the part past accessory where the
>> heater kicks on and dummy lights etc come on .But when I go past that
>> part where you engage the starter and start the the car the heater nor
>> the radio will work,everything else was in good working order . The part
>> I don't understand is that heater won't run when the car is running only
>> when the key is in the mode before you engage the starter(I don't know
>> what that part is called).Any ideas ? Alternator perhaps? The lights were
>> not dimmed or anything.....
>> Thanks in Advance,
>> Wills
>
> It sound like you may need a new ignition switch (the thing you put the
> keys in to start the car).
>
> Jeff

Someone elses suggested it may be a ground problem,what think you ,Jeff?
I got a price on a stater switch and it was @ 65.98 US , a little salty a
price for something that may or may not be .I will exhaust all possibilities
before I go that route .Thanks again,
Will

Woody

You are going to have to get an electrical diagram for the car and trace it
out. Check your local library for service manuals.


"ahso#1" <columbus@evuygt.com> wrote in message
news:HnWvj.50$JU3.18@trndny04...
>
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sVVvj.202$R_5.9@trnddc08...
>> ahso#1 wrote:
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> I own a 91 Honda wagon with a 1.5 liter motor and over 235k miles on
>>> it . Last night on the way home from work I had to stop off to the bank
>>> and when I came out and started the car again something really strange
>>> occured .Follw me on this please I know it sounds long winded but I need
>>> to explain and describe this so I can get a possible diagnosis from the
>>> Honda Gurus here in the group!
>>> I got in the car and turned the key to the part past accessory where the
>>> heater kicks on and dummy lights etc come on .But when I go past that
>>> part where you engage the starter and start the the car the heater nor
>>> the radio will work,everything else was in good working order . The part
>>> I don't understand is that heater won't run when the car is running only
>>> when the key is in the mode before you engage the starter(I don't know
>>> what that part is called).Any ideas ? Alternator perhaps? The lights
>>> were not dimmed or anything.....
>>> Thanks in Advance,
>>> Wills
>>
>> It sound like you may need a new ignition switch (the thing you put the
>> keys in to start the car).
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Someone elses suggested it may be a ground problem,what think you ,Jeff?
> I got a price on a stater switch and it was @ 65.98 US , a little salty a
> price for something that may or may not be .I will exhaust all
> possibilities before I go that route .Thanks again,
> Will
>

ahso#1

"Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message
news:bCXvj.10249$0o7.3067@newssvr13.news.prodigy.n et...
> You are going to have to get an electrical diagram for the car and trace
> it out. Check your local library for service manuals.
>

Dumb question but is there anywhere online I can get it in maybe a PDF file?



>
> "ahso#1" <columbus@evuygt.com> wrote in message
> news:HnWvj.50$JU3.18@trndny04...
>>
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:sVVvj.202$R_5.9@trnddc08...
>>> ahso#1 wrote:
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>> I own a 91 Honda wagon with a 1.5 liter motor and over 235k miles on
>>>> it . Last night on the way home from work I had to stop off to the bank
>>>> and when I came out and started the car again something really strange
>>>> occured .Follw me on this please I know it sounds long winded but I
>>>> need to explain and describe this so I can get a possible diagnosis
>>>> from the Honda Gurus here in the group!
>>>> I got in the car and turned the key to the part past accessory where
>>>> the heater kicks on and dummy lights etc come on .But when I go past
>>>> that part where you engage the starter and start the the car the heater
>>>> nor the radio will work,everything else was in good working order . The
>>>> part I don't understand is that heater won't run when the car is
>>>> running only when the key is in the mode before you engage the
>>>> starter(I don't know what that part is called).Any ideas ? Alternator
>>>> perhaps? The lights were not dimmed or anything.....
>>>> Thanks in Advance,
>>>> Wills
>>>
>>> It sound like you may need a new ignition switch (the thing you put the
>>> keys in to start the car).
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>> Someone elses suggested it may be a ground problem,what think you ,Jeff?
>> I got a price on a stater switch and it was @ 65.98 US , a little salty a
>> price for something that may or may not be .I will exhaust all
>> possibilities before I go that route .Thanks again,
>> Will
>>
>
>

Jeff

Woody wrote:
> You are going to have to get an electrical diagram for the car and trace it
> out. Check your local library for service manuals.
>
>
> "ahso#1" <columbus@evuygt.com> wrote in message
> news:HnWvj.50$JU3.18@trndny04...
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:sVVvj.202$R_5.9@trnddc08...
>>> ahso#1 wrote:
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>> I own a 91 Honda wagon with a 1.5 liter motor and over 235k miles on
>>>> it . Last night on the way home from work I had to stop off to the bank
>>>> and when I came out and started the car again something really strange
>>>> occured .Follw me on this please I know it sounds long winded but I need
>>>> to explain and describe this so I can get a possible diagnosis from the
>>>> Honda Gurus here in the group!
>>>> I got in the car and turned the key to the part past accessory where the
>>>> heater kicks on and dummy lights etc come on .But when I go past that
>>>> part where you engage the starter and start the the car the heater nor
>>>> the radio will work,everything else was in good working order . The part
>>>> I don't understand is that heater won't run when the car is running only
>>>> when the key is in the mode before you engage the starter(I don't know
>>>> what that part is called).Any ideas ? Alternator perhaps? The lights
>>>> were not dimmed or anything.....
>>>> Thanks in Advance,
>>>> Wills
>>> It sound like you may need a new ignition switch (the thing you put the
>>> keys in to start the car).
>>>
>>> Jeff
>> Someone elses suggested it may be a ground problem,what think you ,Jeff?
>> I got a price on a stater switch and it was @ 65.98 US , a little salty a
>> price for something that may or may not be .I will exhaust all
>> possibilities before I go that route .Thanks again,
>> Will

As Woody suggests, you should diagnose this before replacing stuff. It
could be a ground problem or a bunch of other problems.

Alternatively, just keep the key in the start position as you drive down
the road. ;-)

Jeff

ahso#1

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3WXvj.1465$Sw6.358@trnddc06...
> Woody wrote:
>> You are going to have to get an electrical diagram for the car and trace
>> it out. Check your local library for service manuals.
>>
>>
>> "ahso#1" <columbus@evuygt.com> wrote in message
>> news:HnWvj.50$JU3.18@trndny04...
>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:sVVvj.202$R_5.9@trnddc08...
>>>> ahso#1 wrote:
>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>> I own a 91 Honda wagon with a 1.5 liter motor and over 235k miles
>>>>> on it . Last night on the way home from work I had to stop off to the
>>>>> bank and when I came out and started the car again something really
>>>>> strange occured .Follw me on this please I know it sounds long winded
>>>>> but I need to explain and describe this so I can get a possible
>>>>> diagnosis from the Honda Gurus here in the group!
>>>>> I got in the car and turned the key to the part past accessory where
>>>>> the heater kicks on and dummy lights etc come on .But when I go past
>>>>> that part where you engage the starter and start the the car the
>>>>> heater nor the radio will work,everything else was in good working
>>>>> order . The part I don't understand is that heater won't run when the
>>>>> car is running only when the key is in the mode before you engage the
>>>>> starter(I don't know what that part is called).Any ideas ? Alternator
>>>>> perhaps? The lights were not dimmed or anything.....
>>>>> Thanks in Advance,
>>>>> Wills
>>>> It sound like you may need a new ignition switch (the thing you put the
>>>> keys in to start the car).
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>> Someone elses suggested it may be a ground problem,what think you ,Jeff?
>>> I got a price on a stater switch and it was @ 65.98 US , a little salty
>>> a price for something that may or may not be .I will exhaust all
>>> possibilities before I go that route .Thanks again,
>>> Will
>
> As Woody suggests, you should diagnose this before replacing stuff. It
> could be a ground problem or a bunch of other problems.
>
> Alternatively, just keep the key in the start position as you drive down
> the road. ;-)
>
> Jeff

Well to update you on the problem now theater does not work at all even when
the key is in said position so now I have to do some more process of
elimination .I really need a heater not just for comfort but to keep the
friggin' Pennsylvania freezing rain from sticking to my winshield .Ahhh
winter , ya gotta love it .

'Curly Q. Links'

ahso#1 wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> I own a 91 Honda wagon with a 1.5 liter motor and over 235k miles on it .
> Last night on the way home from work I had to stop off to the bank and when
> I came out and started the car again something really strange occured .Follw
> me on this please I know it sounds long winded but I need to explain and
> describe this so I can get a possible diagnosis from the Honda Gurus here in
> the group!
> I got in the car and turned the key to the part past accessory where the
> heater kicks on and dummy lights etc come on .But when I go past that part
> where you engage the starter and start the the car the heater nor the radio
> will work,everything else was in good working order . The part I don't
> understand is that heater won't run when the car is running only when the
> key is in the mode before you engage the starter(I don't know what that part
> is called).Any ideas ? Alternator perhaps? The lights were not dimmed or
> anything.....
> Thanks in Advance,
> Will

--------------------------------

Honda recalled a billion ignition switched in North America a few years
ago. Yours is of similar design and I have a friend who had the same
problem. It's the _switch_, not the LOCK (the part you put the key
into). Tegger.com has the recall in the TSB section. Search it out. It
even tells you how it's changed, although your car may be slightly
different.

'Curly'

ahso#1

"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
news:13s0ofenm6bnm34@corp.supernews.com...
> ahso#1 wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>> I own a 91 Honda wagon with a 1.5 liter motor and over 235k miles on
>> it . Last night on the way home from work I had to stop off to the bank
>> and when I came out and started the car again something really strange
>> occured .Follw me on this please I know it sounds long winded but I need
>> to explain and describe this so I can get a possible diagnosis from the
>> Honda Gurus here in the group!
>> I got in the car and turned the key to the part past accessory where the
>> heater kicks on and dummy lights etc come on .But when I go past that
>> part where you engage the starter and start the the car the heater nor
>> the radio will work,everything else was in good working order . The part
>> I don't understand is that heater won't run when the car is running only
>> when the key is in the mode before you engage the starter(I don't know
>> what that part is called).Any ideas ? Alternator perhaps? The lights were
>> not dimmed or anything.....
>> Thanks in Advance,
>> Will
>
> --------------------------------
>
> Honda recalled a billion ignition switched in North America a few years
> ago. Yours is of similar design and I have a friend who had the same
> problem. It's the _switch_, not the LOCK (the part you put the key into).
> Tegger.com has the recall in the TSB section. Search it out. It even tells
> you how it's changed, although your car may be slightly different.
>
> 'Curly'

Ok not to be totally rediculous on this as I am a novice when it comes to
this ,how do I substantuate between the switch and the lock ? My apologies
on this I'm kinda a newbie .I was thinking of just wiring the heater with a
high amperage toggle switch and by passing the control system ......a little
unorthodox but it gets the job done ....

motsco_

ahso#1 wrote:
> "'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
> news:13s0ofenm6bnm34@corp.supernews.com...
>> ahso#1 wrote:
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> I own a 91 Honda wagon with a 1.5 liter motor and over 235k miles on
>>> it . Last night on the way home from work I had to stop off to the bank
>>> and when I came out and started the car again something really strange
>>> occured .Follw me on this please I know it sounds long winded but I need
>>> to explain and describe this so I can get a possible diagnosis from the
>>> Honda Gurus here in the group!
>>> I got in the car and turned the key to the part past accessory where the
>>> heater kicks on and dummy lights etc come on .But when I go past that
>>> part where you engage the starter and start the the car the heater nor
>>> the radio will work,everything else was in good working order . The part
>>> I don't understand is that heater won't run when the car is running only
>>> when the key is in the mode before you engage the starter(I don't know
>>> what that part is called).Any ideas ? Alternator perhaps? The lights were
>>> not dimmed or anything.....
>>> Thanks in Advance,
>>> Will
>> --------------------------------
>>
>> Honda recalled a billion ignition switched in North America a few years
>> ago. Yours is of similar design and I have a friend who had the same
>> problem. It's the _switch_, not the LOCK (the part you put the key into).
>> Tegger.com has the recall in the TSB section. Search it out. It even tells
>> you how it's changed, although your car may be slightly different.
>>
>> 'Curly'
>
> Ok not to be totally rediculous on this as I am a novice when it comes to
> this ,how do I substantuate between the switch and the lock ? My apologies
> on this I'm kinda a newbie .I was thinking of just wiring the heater with a
> high amperage toggle switch and by passing the control system ......a little
> unorthodox but it gets the job done ....

-----------------------------

Www.slhondaparts.com has part numbers and diagrams.

What if a policeman pulls you over and asks why your wipers aren't
working, or your HORN, or something else we're all REQUIRED to have on
our vehicles.

If you can't afford to fix it, please don't drive it.

'Curly'

Dan C

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:50:21 -0700, motsco_ wrote:

> What if a policeman pulls you over and asks why your wipers aren't
> working, or your HORN, or something else we're all REQUIRED to have on
> our vehicles.

Is a heater a REQUIRED item?

Are you sure?


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L Alpert

ahso#1 wrote:
> "Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message
> news:bCXvj.10249$0o7.3067@newssvr13.news.prodigy.n et...
>> You are going to have to get an electrical diagram for the car and
>> trace it out. Check your local library for service manuals.
>>
>
> Dumb question but is there anywhere online I can get it in maybe a
> PDF file?

http://search.ebscohost.com/Login.as...uthtype=ip,uid

Login-lib
PWD-access

Try the database for auto repair....drill down to your year and model and it
may have the info you need.



>
>
>>
>> "ahso#1" <columbus@evuygt.com> wrote in message
>> news:HnWvj.50$JU3.18@trndny04...
>>>
>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:sVVvj.202$R_5.9@trnddc08...
>>>> ahso#1 wrote:
>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>> I own a 91 Honda wagon with a 1.5 liter motor and over 235k
>>>>> miles on it . Last night on the way home from work I had to stop
>>>>> off to the bank and when I came out and started the car again
>>>>> something really strange occured .Follw me on this please I know
>>>>> it sounds long winded but I need to explain and describe this so
>>>>> I can get a possible diagnosis from the Honda Gurus here in the
>>>>> group! I got in the car and turned the key to the part past accessory
>>>>> where the heater kicks on and dummy lights etc come on .But when
>>>>> I go past that part where you engage the starter and start the
>>>>> the car the heater nor the radio will work,everything else was in
>>>>> good working order . The part I don't understand is that heater
>>>>> won't run when the car is running only when the key is in the
>>>>> mode before you engage the starter(I don't know what that part is
>>>>> called).Any ideas ? Alternator perhaps? The lights were not
>>>>> dimmed or anything..... Thanks in Advance,
>>>>> Wills
>>>>
>>>> It sound like you may need a new ignition switch (the thing you
>>>> put the keys in to start the car).
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Someone elses suggested it may be a ground problem,what think you
>>> ,Jeff? I got a price on a stater switch and it was @ 65.98 US , a
>>> little salty a price for something that may or may not be .I will
>>> exhaust all possibilities before I go that route .Thanks again,
>>> Will

L Alpert

Dan C wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:50:21 -0700, motsco_ wrote:
>
>> What if a policeman pulls you over and asks why your wipers aren't
>> working, or your HORN, or something else we're all REQUIRED to have
>> on our vehicles.
>
> Is a heater a REQUIRED item?

Depends on the outside temperature...

>
> Are you sure?

IMO, yes! ;-)

ahso#1

"motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
news:13s1mhc60i9so5f@corp.supernews.com...
> ahso#1 wrote:
>> "'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>> news:13s0ofenm6bnm34@corp.supernews.com...
>>> ahso#1 wrote:
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>> I own a 91 Honda wagon with a 1.5 liter motor and over 235k miles on
>>>> it . Last night on the way home from work I had to stop off to the bank
>>>> and when I came out and started the car again something really strange
>>>> occured .Follw me on this please I know it sounds long winded but I
>>>> need to explain and describe this so I can get a possible diagnosis
>>>> from the Honda Gurus here in the group!
>>>> I got in the car and turned the key to the part past accessory where
>>>> the heater kicks on and dummy lights etc come on .But when I go past
>>>> that part where you engage the starter and start the the car the heater
>>>> nor the radio will work,everything else was in good working order . The
>>>> part I don't understand is that heater won't run when the car is
>>>> running only when the key is in the mode before you engage the
>>>> starter(I don't know what that part is called).Any ideas ? Alternator
>>>> perhaps? The lights were not dimmed or anything.....
>>>> Thanks in Advance,
>>>> Will
>>> --------------------------------
>>>
>>> Honda recalled a billion ignition switched in North America a few years
>>> ago. Yours is of similar design and I have a friend who had the same
>>> problem. It's the _switch_, not the LOCK (the part you put the key
>>> into). Tegger.com has the recall in the TSB section. Search it out. It
>>> even tells you how it's changed, although your car may be slightly
>>> different.
>>>
>>> 'Curly'
>>
>> Ok not to be totally rediculous on this as I am a novice when it comes to
>> this ,how do I substantuate between the switch and the lock ? My
>> apologies on this I'm kinda a newbie .I was thinking of just wiring the
>> heater with a high amperage toggle switch and by passing the control
>> system ......a little unorthodox but it gets the job done ....
>
> -----------------------------
>
> Www.slhondaparts.com has part numbers and diagrams.
>
> What if a policeman pulls you over and asks why your wipers aren't
> working, or your HORN, or something else we're all REQUIRED to have on our
> vehicles.
>
> If you can't afford to fix it, please don't drive it.
>
> 'Curly'

Ok if the bypass affects the other required functions like horn,wipers,etc
then yeah I suppose I'll have no other choice .BTW as an update I got in my
car this morning about 20 minutes ago and started the car up and the heater
kicked on .Can you say intermittent? 'splain that one,Lucy

Dan C

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:38:01 +0000, ahso#1 wrote:

> Ok if the bypass affects the other required functions like horn,wipers,etc
> then yeah I suppose I'll have no other choice .BTW as an update I got in my
> car this morning about 20 minutes ago and started the car up and the heater
> kicked on .Can you say intermittent? 'splain that one,Lucy

I can explain it.

The car is 17 years old. These kind of things happen on cars that old.
Get rid of that POS and get something newer. Problem solved.


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