Shredder

Just driving down the road and died. I took the oil cap off and looked at
the lifters while turning it over and they turned. Rules out the timing
belt. My guess is now the fuel pump or fuel filter. Any quick easy way to
test this while parked at a gas station in the middle of BFE!?!

Thanks

Shredder

Also, where is the pump and filter on a 92. I have a manual at home, but
not with me currently.


"Shredder" <shred@shredder.com> wrote in message
news:Mx98f.71613$Hs.71581@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> Just driving down the road and died. I took the oil cap off and looked at
> the lifters while turning it over and they turned. Rules out the timing
> belt. My guess is now the fuel pump or fuel filter. Any quick easy way
> to test this while parked at a gas station in the middle of BFE!?!
>
> Thanks
>

Steve Mackie

> belt. My guess is now the fuel pump or fuel filter. Any quick easy way
to
> test this while parked at a gas station in the middle of BFE!?!

Where is BFE? I've heard of BFI (Buttf*** Idaho), but BFE?

High Tech Misfit

Shredder wrote:

> Just driving down the road and died. I took the oil cap off and looked at
> the lifters while turning it over and they turned. Rules out the timing
> belt. My guess is now the fuel pump or fuel filter. Any quick easy way to
> test this while parked at a gas station in the middle of BFE!?!
>
> Thanks

Did you try starting it again after it died? If it started up again OK,
then it's strongly possible the igniter or the ignition switch is bad.

Shredder

Bum F*** Egypt

"Steve Mackie" <stevemackie@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>> belt. My guess is now the fuel pump or fuel filter. Any quick easy way
> to
>> test this while parked at a gas station in the middle of BFE!?!
>
> Where is BFE? I've heard of BFI (Buttf*** Idaho), but BFE?
>
>

Shredder

Yes, tried several times to restart it with no luck. Although, It has
refused to start a few times in the recent past and if left sit for a while
would start right up. Never has died while driving though. Most of the
time right after I would stop somewhere and then come back out to start it.


"High Tech Misfit" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Shredder wrote:
>
>> Just driving down the road and died. I took the oil cap off and looked
>> at
>> the lifters while turning it over and they turned. Rules out the timing
>> belt. My guess is now the fuel pump or fuel filter. Any quick easy way
>> to
>> test this while parked at a gas station in the middle of BFE!?!
>>
>> Thanks
>
> Did you try starting it again after it died? If it started up again OK,
> then it's strongly possible the igniter or the ignition switch is bad.

Messiah Lounge

"Shredder" <shred@shredder.com> wrote in message
news:Mx98f.71613$Hs.71581@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> Just driving down the road and died. I took the oil cap off and looked at
> the lifters while turning it over and they turned. Rules out the timing
> belt. My guess is now the fuel pump or fuel filter. Any quick easy way
> to test this while parked at a gas station in the middle of BFE!?!

My '91 Accord died on me twice while driving down the road... I believe it
was the ignition coil both times.

The refusing to start until cooling down is probably the infamous master
relay 'dry sockets'

NomoreRGS

The most likely cause is the main relay. It's faily common on the
early '90's. The relay is a double relay. The first relay supply's a
only couple of seconds of power to the fuel pump to get the engine
started. After it starts a second relay feed power to the fuel pump.
I believe it was done this way for safety reasons. If the engine
stops the second relay is not energized, no power to the fuel pump.

A more definitive symptom for the relay would be that the problem
occurs mostly during very warm (sitting in the sun for a while) or
very cold days. The temperature swing causes one or more bad solder
joints in the relay to open a little, breaking contact. It seems that
many people actually have the problem while refueling at the gas
station. The car was fine when they pulled in but started and died
when trying to leave. After a couple of minutes (maybe a little
longer) it will usually start and run fine as the relay has cooled off
a little.

The relay can be replaced or the soldier joints can be re-soldered
to correct the problem.

Here's a link to a great site to identify and fix the main relay

http://techauto.tripod.com/





On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:11:15 GMT, "Shredder" <shred@shredder.com>
wrote:

>Yes, tried several times to restart it with no luck. Although, It has
>refused to start a few times in the recent past and if left sit for a while
>would start right up. Never has died while driving though. Most of the
>time right after I would stop somewhere and then come back out to start it.
>
>
>"High Tech Misfit" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>news:1qpta9w9b4eyg$.dlg@hightech.misfit...
>> Shredder wrote:
>>
>>> Just driving down the road and died. I took the oil cap off and looked
>>> at
>>> the lifters while turning it over and they turned. Rules out the timing
>>> belt. My guess is now the fuel pump or fuel filter. Any quick easy way
>>> to
>>> test this while parked at a gas station in the middle of BFE!?!
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> Did you try starting it again after it died? If it started up again OK,
>> then it's strongly possible the igniter or the ignition switch is bad.
>

HPGrn

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:08:18 GMT, "Shredder" <shred@shredder.com>
wrote:

>Bum F*** Egypt
>
Hey! I used to live there too!!!!

Alan Combellack

This is similar to what happened to my 93 Accord. In my case I was
referred to http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/start...html#mainrelay
which gave me the solution suggested above.
Alan C

"NomoreRGS" <fishman@fish.net> wrote in message
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> The most likely cause is the main relay. It's faily common on the
> early '90's. The relay is a double relay. The first relay supply's a
> only couple of seconds of power to the fuel pump to get the engine
> started. After it starts a second relay feed power to the fuel pump.
> I believe it was done this way for safety reasons. If the engine
> stops the second relay is not energized, no power to the fuel pump.
>
> A more definitive symptom for the relay would be that the problem
> occurs mostly during very warm (sitting in the sun for a while) or
> very cold days. The temperature swing causes one or more bad solder
> joints in the relay to open a little, breaking contact. It seems that
> many people actually have the problem while refueling at the gas
> station. The car was fine when they pulled in but started and died
> when trying to leave. After a couple of minutes (maybe a little
> longer) it will usually start and run fine as the relay has cooled off
> a little.
>
> The relay can be replaced or the soldier joints can be re-soldered
> to correct the problem.
>
> Here's a link to a great site to identify and fix the main relay
>
> http://techauto.tripod.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:11:15 GMT, "Shredder" <shred@shredder.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Yes, tried several times to restart it with no luck. Although, It has
>>refused to start a few times in the recent past and if left sit for a
>>while
>>would start right up. Never has died while driving though. Most of the
>>time right after I would stop somewhere and then come back out to start
>>it.
>>
>>
>>"High Tech Misfit" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>news:1qpta9w9b4eyg$.dlg@hightech.misfit...
>>> Shredder wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just driving down the road and died. I took the oil cap off and looked
>>>> at
>>>> the lifters while turning it over and they turned. Rules out the
>>>> timing
>>>> belt. My guess is now the fuel pump or fuel filter. Any quick easy
>>>> way
>>>> to
>>>> test this while parked at a gas station in the middle of BFE!?!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Did you try starting it again after it died? If it started up again OK,
>>> then it's strongly possible the igniter or the ignition switch is bad.
>>
>

NomoreRGS

When the car stops acts up again, check for spark. If there is no
spark it's probably the coil. If there is spark then there is
probably no fuel and most likely the main relay is the problem.

Had to resolder my main relay joints on my '91 Accord a few years ago.
It's been fine ever since.

The link I had for the main relay fix no longer works
(http://www3.telus.net/public/johnings/MainRelay.HTM) .
I found and posted another like for the fix in my previous post.
There are a few around here's one with a great picture of a crack and
how to resolder the relay.
http://techauto.tripod.com/mainrelay.htm



On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:01:48 -0400, "Alan Combellack"
<acombellack@nspmsympatico.ca> wrote:

> This is similar to what happened to my 93 Accord. In my case I was
>referred to http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/start...html#mainrelay
>which gave me the solution suggested above.
> Alan C
>
>"NomoreRGS" <fishman@fish.net> wrote in message
>news:4nt2m1trlc85v05t3mstntumkiuflkpdti@4ax.com.. .
>> The most likely cause is the main relay. It's faily common on the
>> early '90's. The relay is a double relay. The first relay supply's a
>> only couple of seconds of power to the fuel pump to get the engine
>> started. After it starts a second relay feed power to the fuel pump.
>> I believe it was done this way for safety reasons. If the engine
>> stops the second relay is not energized, no power to the fuel pump.
>>
>> A more definitive symptom for the relay would be that the problem
>> occurs mostly during very warm (sitting in the sun for a while) or
>> very cold days. The temperature swing causes one or more bad solder
>> joints in the relay to open a little, breaking contact. It seems that
>> many people actually have the problem while refueling at the gas
>> station. The car was fine when they pulled in but started and died
>> when trying to leave. After a couple of minutes (maybe a little
>> longer) it will usually start and run fine as the relay has cooled off
>> a little.
>>
>> The relay can be replaced or the soldier joints can be re-soldered
>> to correct the problem.
>>
>> Here's a link to a great site to identify and fix the main relay
>>
>> http://techauto.tripod.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:11:15 GMT, "Shredder" <shred@shredder.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Yes, tried several times to restart it with no luck. Although, It has
>>>refused to start a few times in the recent past and if left sit for a
>>>while
>>>would start right up. Never has died while driving though. Most of the
>>>time right after I would stop somewhere and then come back out to start
>>>it.
>>>
>>>
>>>"High Tech Misfit" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>>news:1qpta9w9b4eyg$.dlg@hightech.misfit...
>>>> Shredder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just driving down the road and died. I took the oil cap off and looked
>>>>> at
>>>>> the lifters while turning it over and they turned. Rules out the
>>>>> timing
>>>>> belt. My guess is now the fuel pump or fuel filter. Any quick easy
>>>>> way
>>>>> to
>>>>> test this while parked at a gas station in the middle of BFE!?!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Did you try starting it again after it died? If it started up again OK,
>>>> then it's strongly possible the igniter or the ignition switch is bad.
>>>
>>
>

Michael Pardee

"NomoreRGS" <fishman@fish.net> wrote in message
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> When the car stops acts up again, check for spark. If there is no
> spark it's probably the coil. If there is spark then there is
> probably no fuel and most likely the main relay is the problem.
>
I haven't seen intermittent coils - they tend to just die, usually because
they short. I'd go for the igniter, which has a reputation for flaking out
before they die.

Mike

NomoreRGS

Your absolutely correct about the coil. I have experienced a
intermittent coil (not the Accord) and it is rare that it happens. I
should have though more about the odds of the coil being intermittent.
The car is known to have some igniter and ignition switch failures.


On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:01:29 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>"NomoreRGS" <fishman@fish.net> wrote in message
>news:0dt5m151s8v0kpum1c8iue3gp5qc2huiuv@4ax.com.. .
>> When the car stops acts up again, check for spark. If there is no
>> spark it's probably the coil. If there is spark then there is
>> probably no fuel and most likely the main relay is the problem.
>>
>I haven't seen intermittent coils - they tend to just die, usually because
>they short. I'd go for the igniter, which has a reputation for flaking out
>before they die.
>
>Mike
>

Elle

My last (distributor/ignition) coil died intermittently. This was in 2003.
My car started stalling at stop signs. A few days later, it stalled
completely. The independent Honda shop to which I took it said it was the
jury-rigged way I'd fixed the rotor several months before. Uh huh. So they
put a new distributor housing on with new rotor. I drive off. A mile down
the road, the car feels like it's going to stall again. I think, "hiccup."
About ten days later it dies completely again. This time the shop checks the
coil. It's aged.

Tom and Ray of Car Talk, for one, discuss how, when the coil is getting near
death, it can act up according to temperature. Close to death, one can get
away with letting the engine cool down and so squeeze a little more life out
of the coil.

"NomoreRGS" <fishman@fish.net> wrote
> Your absolutely correct about the coil. I have experienced a
> intermittent coil (not the Accord) and it is rare that it happens. I
> should have though more about the odds of the coil being intermittent.
> The car is known to have some igniter and ignition switch failures.
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:01:29 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
> >"NomoreRGS" <fishman@fish.net> wrote in message
> >news:0dt5m151s8v0kpum1c8iue3gp5qc2huiuv@4ax.com.. .
> >> When the car stops acts up again, check for spark. If there is no
> >> spark it's probably the coil. If there is spark then there is
> >> probably no fuel and most likely the main relay is the problem.
> >>
> >I haven't seen intermittent coils - they tend to just die, usually
because
> >they short. I'd go for the igniter, which has a reputation for flaking
out
> >before they die.