Re: 93 Civic Batter Light and Speedometer
 

Thanks - I was afraid of that.


hondaman wrote:
> it requires removal of the drivers side axle. unless you toy with the master
> cylinder which leads to way too many problems.
>
> -jeff
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
> news:Xns97FD82036C512jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.83.. .
> > "Jim" <jferree@gmail.com> wrote in
> > news:1152631010.833599.251900@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com:
> >
> >> The alternator belt is missing and the alternator does not turn by hand
> >> so I assume the alternator is seized up.
> >>
> >> Can I get a rebuilt alternator?
> >>
> >> Thanks again,
> >>
> >> Jim
> >
> > I'm sure most of your local auto stores sell rebuilt alternators,along
> > with
> > the more pricey Honda ones. You can get an idea of their price and
> > availability by shopping online,Advance Auto,NAPA are a couple of good
> > sites.
> >
> > Some models may be difficult for accessing the alternator without removing
> > a drive axle half-shaft and dropping the alt. from below the car..
> >
> > --
> > Jim Yanik
> > jyanik
> > at
> > kua.net

Re: 93 Civic Batter Light and Speedometer
 

Thanks - I was afraid of that.


hondaman wrote:
> it requires removal of the drivers side axle. unless you toy with the master
> cylinder which leads to way too many problems.
>
> -jeff
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
> news:Xns97FD82036C512jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.83.. .
> > "Jim" <jferree@gmail.com> wrote in
> > news:1152631010.833599.251900@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com:
> >
> >> The alternator belt is missing and the alternator does not turn by hand
> >> so I assume the alternator is seized up.
> >>
> >> Can I get a rebuilt alternator?
> >>
> >> Thanks again,
> >>
> >> Jim
> >
> > I'm sure most of your local auto stores sell rebuilt alternators,along
> > with
> > the more pricey Honda ones. You can get an idea of their price and
> > availability by shopping online,Advance Auto,NAPA are a couple of good
> > sites.
> >
> > Some models may be difficult for accessing the alternator without removing
> > a drive axle half-shaft and dropping the alt. from below the car..
> >
> > --
> > Jim Yanik
> > jyanik
> > at
> > kua.net

Re: 93 Civic Batter Light and Speedometer
 

Thanks - I was afraid of that.


hondaman wrote:
> it requires removal of the drivers side axle. unless you toy with the master
> cylinder which leads to way too many problems.
>
> -jeff
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
> news:Xns97FD82036C512jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.83.. .
> > "Jim" <jferree@gmail.com> wrote in
> > news:1152631010.833599.251900@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com:
> >
> >> The alternator belt is missing and the alternator does not turn by hand
> >> so I assume the alternator is seized up.
> >>
> >> Can I get a rebuilt alternator?
> >>
> >> Thanks again,
> >>
> >> Jim
> >
> > I'm sure most of your local auto stores sell rebuilt alternators,along
> > with
> > the more pricey Honda ones. You can get an idea of their price and
> > availability by shopping online,Advance Auto,NAPA are a couple of good
> > sites.
> >
> > Some models may be difficult for accessing the alternator without removing
> > a drive axle half-shaft and dropping the alt. from below the car..
> >
> > --
> > Jim Yanik
> > jyanik
> > at
> > kua.net

Re: 93 Civic Batter Light and Speedometer
 

"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote
E
>> See about the middle of
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~honda.lioness/id13.html for
>> some
>> quick voltage checks you can do that might tell you more.
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> I notice the troubleshooting part mentions 'warmed up',
> but doesn't seem
> to stress this important fact I came across the other day:
>
> "a no-charging system may not be the alternator. Honda has
> been using an
> ELD (electrical load device) relay for the last 10 years
> or so. Honda
> uses PCM strategy to control the voltage regulator. We
> have learned to
> let the engine run a few minutes before checking
> alternator output (the
> PCM lets the initial start up to stabilize before turning
> the alternator
> on, reducing the load on the engine). Honda uses the ELD
> relay to
> control alternator output -- no load, no work at idle."
>
> I found it when I was searching 'honda ELD' with google.

I'll study this further and potentially make revisions.
Little time right now--taking another automotive course for
fun. Thanks, though!

> The OP may need brushes only, not a whole alternator,
> also.

Not sure if the above is for me, but I think that point is
well covered at my site.

Re: 93 Civic Batter Light and Speedometer
 

"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote
E
>> See about the middle of
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~honda.lioness/id13.html for
>> some
>> quick voltage checks you can do that might tell you more.
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> I notice the troubleshooting part mentions 'warmed up',
> but doesn't seem
> to stress this important fact I came across the other day:
>
> "a no-charging system may not be the alternator. Honda has
> been using an
> ELD (electrical load device) relay for the last 10 years
> or so. Honda
> uses PCM strategy to control the voltage regulator. We
> have learned to
> let the engine run a few minutes before checking
> alternator output (the
> PCM lets the initial start up to stabilize before turning
> the alternator
> on, reducing the load on the engine). Honda uses the ELD
> relay to
> control alternator output -- no load, no work at idle."
>
> I found it when I was searching 'honda ELD' with google.

I'll study this further and potentially make revisions.
Little time right now--taking another automotive course for
fun. Thanks, though!

> The OP may need brushes only, not a whole alternator,
> also.

Not sure if the above is for me, but I think that point is
well covered at my site.

Re: 93 Civic Batter Light and Speedometer
 

"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote
E
>> See about the middle of
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~honda.lioness/id13.html for
>> some
>> quick voltage checks you can do that might tell you more.
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> I notice the troubleshooting part mentions 'warmed up',
> but doesn't seem
> to stress this important fact I came across the other day:
>
> "a no-charging system may not be the alternator. Honda has
> been using an
> ELD (electrical load device) relay for the last 10 years
> or so. Honda
> uses PCM strategy to control the voltage regulator. We
> have learned to
> let the engine run a few minutes before checking
> alternator output (the
> PCM lets the initial start up to stabilize before turning
> the alternator
> on, reducing the load on the engine). Honda uses the ELD
> relay to
> control alternator output -- no load, no work at idle."
>
> I found it when I was searching 'honda ELD' with google.

I'll study this further and potentially make revisions.
Little time right now--taking another automotive course for
fun. Thanks, though!

> The OP may need brushes only, not a whole alternator,
> also.

Not sure if the above is for me, but I think that point is
well covered at my site.

Re: 93 Civic Batter Light and Speedometer
 

"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote
E
>> See about the middle of
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~honda.lioness/id13.html for
>> some
>> quick voltage checks you can do that might tell you more.
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> I notice the troubleshooting part mentions 'warmed up',
> but doesn't seem
> to stress this important fact I came across the other day:
>
> "a no-charging system may not be the alternator. Honda has
> been using an
> ELD (electrical load device) relay for the last 10 years
> or so. Honda
> uses PCM strategy to control the voltage regulator. We
> have learned to
> let the engine run a few minutes before checking
> alternator output (the
> PCM lets the initial start up to stabilize before turning
> the alternator
> on, reducing the load on the engine). Honda uses the ELD
> relay to
> control alternator output -- no load, no work at idle."
>
> I found it when I was searching 'honda ELD' with google.

I'll study this further and potentially make revisions.
Little time right now--taking another automotive course for
fun. Thanks, though!

> The OP may need brushes only, not a whole alternator,
> also.

Not sure if the above is for me, but I think that point is
well covered at my site.

Re: 93 Civic Batter Light and Speedometer
 

Haven't some people here reported putting a jack under the
oil pan and raising it a little provides the necessary
clearance?

Jim there are free online manuals at www.autozone.com and
http://www.honda.co.uk/car/owner/workshop.html that might
help you.

No alternator belt?? That does not make sense.

"hondaman" <jeffscomp@hotmail.com> wrote
> it requires removal of the drivers side axle. unless you
> toy with the master cylinder which leads to way too many
> problems.

Re: 93 Civic Batter Light and Speedometer
 

Haven't some people here reported putting a jack under the
oil pan and raising it a little provides the necessary
clearance?

Jim there are free online manuals at www.autozone.com and
http://www.honda.co.uk/car/owner/workshop.html that might
help you.

No alternator belt?? That does not make sense.

"hondaman" <jeffscomp@hotmail.com> wrote
> it requires removal of the drivers side axle. unless you
> toy with the master cylinder which leads to way too many
> problems.

Re: 93 Civic Batter Light and Speedometer
 

Haven't some people here reported putting a jack under the
oil pan and raising it a little provides the necessary
clearance?

Jim there are free online manuals at www.autozone.com and
http://www.honda.co.uk/car/owner/workshop.html that might
help you.

No alternator belt?? That does not make sense.

"hondaman" <jeffscomp@hotmail.com> wrote
> it requires removal of the drivers side axle. unless you
> toy with the master cylinder which leads to way too many
> problems.

Re: 93 Civic Batter Light and Speedometer
 

Haven't some people here reported putting a jack under the
oil pan and raising it a little provides the necessary
clearance?

Jim there are free online manuals at www.autozone.com and
http://www.honda.co.uk/car/owner/workshop.html that might
help you.

No alternator belt?? That does not make sense.

"hondaman" <jeffscomp@hotmail.com> wrote
> it requires removal of the drivers side axle. unless you
> toy with the master cylinder which leads to way too many
> problems.

Re: 93 Civic Batter Light and Speedometer
 

"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote
> I notice the troubleshooting part mentions 'warmed up',
> but doesn't seem
> to stress this important fact I came across the other day:
>
> "a no-charging system may not be the alternator. Honda has
> been using an
> ELD (electrical load device) relay for the last 10 years
> or so. Honda
> uses PCM

PCM = performance control module?

> strategy to control the voltage regulator. We have learned
> to
> let the engine run a few minutes before checking
> alternator output (the
> PCM lets the initial start up to stabilize


The PCM prevents the alternator from turning on electrically
until the engine is warmed up?

> before turning the alternator
> on, reducing the load on the engine). Honda uses the ELD
> relay to
> control alternator output -- no load, no work at idle."

What is he trying to say with the "no load, no work at idle"
statement?

> I found it when I was searching 'honda ELD' with google.

I found the original quotation by a guy posting under
"Mouse7088" at another forum but still can't quite follow
it.

Re: 93 Civic Batter Light and Speedometer
 

"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote
> I notice the troubleshooting part mentions 'warmed up',
> but doesn't seem
> to stress this important fact I came across the other day:
>
> "a no-charging system may not be the alternator. Honda has
> been using an
> ELD (electrical load device) relay for the last 10 years
> or so. Honda
> uses PCM

PCM = performance control module?

> strategy to control the voltage regulator. We have learned
> to
> let the engine run a few minutes before checking
> alternator output (the
> PCM lets the initial start up to stabilize


The PCM prevents the alternator from turning on electrically
until the engine is warmed up?

> before turning the alternator
> on, reducing the load on the engine). Honda uses the ELD
> relay to
> control alternator output -- no load, no work at idle."

What is he trying to say with the "no load, no work at idle"
statement?

> I found it when I was searching 'honda ELD' with google.

I found the original quotation by a guy posting under
"Mouse7088" at another forum but still can't quite follow
it.

Re: 93 Civic Batter Light and Speedometer
 

"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote
> I notice the troubleshooting part mentions 'warmed up',
> but doesn't seem
> to stress this important fact I came across the other day:
>
> "a no-charging system may not be the alternator. Honda has
> been using an
> ELD (electrical load device) relay for the last 10 years
> or so. Honda
> uses PCM

PCM = performance control module?

> strategy to control the voltage regulator. We have learned
> to
> let the engine run a few minutes before checking
> alternator output (the
> PCM lets the initial start up to stabilize


The PCM prevents the alternator from turning on electrically
until the engine is warmed up?

> before turning the alternator
> on, reducing the load on the engine). Honda uses the ELD
> relay to
> control alternator output -- no load, no work at idle."

What is he trying to say with the "no load, no work at idle"
statement?

> I found it when I was searching 'honda ELD' with google.

I found the original quotation by a guy posting under
"Mouse7088" at another forum but still can't quite follow
it.

Re: 93 Civic Batter Light and Speedometer
 

"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote
> I notice the troubleshooting part mentions 'warmed up',
> but doesn't seem
> to stress this important fact I came across the other day:
>
> "a no-charging system may not be the alternator. Honda has
> been using an
> ELD (electrical load device) relay for the last 10 years
> or so. Honda
> uses PCM

PCM = performance control module?

> strategy to control the voltage regulator. We have learned
> to
> let the engine run a few minutes before checking
> alternator output (the
> PCM lets the initial start up to stabilize


The PCM prevents the alternator from turning on electrically
until the engine is warmed up?

> before turning the alternator
> on, reducing the load on the engine). Honda uses the ELD
> relay to
> control alternator output -- no load, no work at idle."

What is he trying to say with the "no load, no work at idle"
statement?

> I found it when I was searching 'honda ELD' with google.

I found the original quotation by a guy posting under
"Mouse7088" at another forum but still can't quite follow
it.