95 accord won't start sometimes
01-21-2006, 11:24 AM
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95 accord won't start sometimes
I have a 95 Accord, sometimes it just won't start. The battery is fine
and seems to have good cranking power etc. Then after several tries it
finally starts but the engine check light comes on and it runs really
really ragged. When I put it in gear it literally stutters down the
road, like it is only firing on half the cylinders or something. I can
then pull over and try to restart the car but will get the same
phenomenon. After a minute or so of driving the car it will finally
even out, the check engine light turns off and it runs and starts fine.
This has happened about 6 times out of 70 starts. I thought it might
be the fuel as the car had sat for a couple of months before I bought
it but I have gone through about 6 tanks of gas and several fuel system
cleaner additatives. I have noticed it at its worst when the car has
sat at work with the front of the car on a slight upslope but this
might have nothing to do with my problem. Anyone have any ideas?
and seems to have good cranking power etc. Then after several tries it
finally starts but the engine check light comes on and it runs really
really ragged. When I put it in gear it literally stutters down the
road, like it is only firing on half the cylinders or something. I can
then pull over and try to restart the car but will get the same
phenomenon. After a minute or so of driving the car it will finally
even out, the check engine light turns off and it runs and starts fine.
This has happened about 6 times out of 70 starts. I thought it might
be the fuel as the car had sat for a couple of months before I bought
it but I have gone through about 6 tanks of gas and several fuel system
cleaner additatives. I have noticed it at its worst when the car has
sat at work with the front of the car on a slight upslope but this
might have nothing to do with my problem. Anyone have any ideas?
01-21-2006, 12:06 PM
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Re: 95 accord won't start sometimes
Wow, interesting one. This group gets a lot of no start/hard
start/rough running problems. Yours seems kind of unique.
Still, I think it would be best to start with where the car
is at in its maintenance schedule.
The car has sat a couple of months... hm. I would start by
thoroughly cleaning the battery terminals.
Are you in a really cold climate? How many miles are on the
car?
Fuel injector leakage sounds like a possibility, but you say
you've put cleaners in the system. Maybe try, one last time,
a bottle of Chevron Techron, a cleaner a lot of people here
like. Follow the directions on the bottle exactly. (I
started using it but have no idea whether it makes a
difference on my 170k+ 1991 Civic.)
How old are the ignition wires, plugs, distributor cap and
rotor, air filter and fuel filter? Are all these parts
genuine Honda (that is, no Autozone yada) parts? Take this
seriously! A proper tuneup sometimes solves a lot of
start/running problems. For reinforcement on this point, see
the running/starting FAQ at www.tegger.com/hondafaq .
Make sure the cooling system is topped off, per the manual.
I don't think that's the main problem, but I wouldn't want
it to interfere with your troubleshooting. There are coolant
temperature sensors sending signals to the car's computer.
If they're not fully submerged, whacko operation may result
until the car is fully warmed up.
Starter solenoid contacts IIRC may also be part of the
problem, but I heard this only here and defer to others who
may wish to comment.
After this, some consideration should be given to a new
igniter, though if it's really the problem, then I would
expect it to die completely very soon. I really don't think
it's the problem at this point. Just saying it can fail
intermittently.
www.autozone.com has a free online repair manual for the 95
Accord that explains how to make sure the coolant level is
correct, for one thing.
"kva1000" <kva1000junk@yahoo.com> wrote
> I have a 95 Accord, sometimes it just won't start. The
battery is fine
> and seems to have good cranking power etc. Then after
several tries it
> finally starts but the engine check light comes on and it
runs really
> really ragged. When I put it in gear it literally stutters
down the
> road, like it is only firing on half the cylinders or
something. I can
> then pull over and try to restart the car but will get the
same
> phenomenon. After a minute or so of driving the car it
will finally
> even out, the check engine light turns off and it runs and
starts fine.
> This has happened about 6 times out of 70 starts. I
thought it might
> be the fuel as the car had sat for a couple of months
before I bought
> it but I have gone through about 6 tanks of gas and
several fuel system
> cleaner additatives. I have noticed it at its worst when
the car has
> sat at work with the front of the car on a slight upslope
but this
> might have nothing to do with my problem. Anyone have any
ideas?
>
start/rough running problems. Yours seems kind of unique.
Still, I think it would be best to start with where the car
is at in its maintenance schedule.
The car has sat a couple of months... hm. I would start by
thoroughly cleaning the battery terminals.
Are you in a really cold climate? How many miles are on the
car?
Fuel injector leakage sounds like a possibility, but you say
you've put cleaners in the system. Maybe try, one last time,
a bottle of Chevron Techron, a cleaner a lot of people here
like. Follow the directions on the bottle exactly. (I
started using it but have no idea whether it makes a
difference on my 170k+ 1991 Civic.)
How old are the ignition wires, plugs, distributor cap and
rotor, air filter and fuel filter? Are all these parts
genuine Honda (that is, no Autozone yada) parts? Take this
seriously! A proper tuneup sometimes solves a lot of
start/running problems. For reinforcement on this point, see
the running/starting FAQ at www.tegger.com/hondafaq .
Make sure the cooling system is topped off, per the manual.
I don't think that's the main problem, but I wouldn't want
it to interfere with your troubleshooting. There are coolant
temperature sensors sending signals to the car's computer.
If they're not fully submerged, whacko operation may result
until the car is fully warmed up.
Starter solenoid contacts IIRC may also be part of the
problem, but I heard this only here and defer to others who
may wish to comment.
After this, some consideration should be given to a new
igniter, though if it's really the problem, then I would
expect it to die completely very soon. I really don't think
it's the problem at this point. Just saying it can fail
intermittently.
www.autozone.com has a free online repair manual for the 95
Accord that explains how to make sure the coolant level is
correct, for one thing.
"kva1000" <kva1000junk@yahoo.com> wrote
> I have a 95 Accord, sometimes it just won't start. The
battery is fine
> and seems to have good cranking power etc. Then after
several tries it
> finally starts but the engine check light comes on and it
runs really
> really ragged. When I put it in gear it literally stutters
down the
> road, like it is only firing on half the cylinders or
something. I can
> then pull over and try to restart the car but will get the
same
> phenomenon. After a minute or so of driving the car it
will finally
> even out, the check engine light turns off and it runs and
starts fine.
> This has happened about 6 times out of 70 starts. I
thought it might
> be the fuel as the car had sat for a couple of months
before I bought
> it but I have gone through about 6 tanks of gas and
several fuel system
> cleaner additatives. I have noticed it at its worst when
the car has
> sat at work with the front of the car on a slight upslope
but this
> might have nothing to do with my problem. Anyone have any
ideas?
>
01-21-2006, 12:20 PM
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Re: 95 accord won't start sometimes
"kva1000" <kva1000junk@yahoo.com> wrote
> Then after several tries it
> finally starts but the engine check light comes on and it
runs really
> really ragged.
snip
> After a minute or so of driving the car it will finally
> even out, the check engine light turns off and it runs and
starts fine.
Whoops, here's something else to check right away: What code
is being set.
www.autozone.com 's manual also tells you how to retrieve
the code for the check engine light, once it's on and
staying on.
I'd do this a.s.a.p., to help narrow the problem.
> Then after several tries it
> finally starts but the engine check light comes on and it
runs really
> really ragged.
snip
> After a minute or so of driving the car it will finally
> even out, the check engine light turns off and it runs and
starts fine.
Whoops, here's something else to check right away: What code
is being set.
www.autozone.com 's manual also tells you how to retrieve
the code for the check engine light, once it's on and
staying on.
I'd do this a.s.a.p., to help narrow the problem.
01-21-2006, 12:30 PM
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Re: 95 accord won't start sometimes
kva1000 wrote:
>
> I have a 95 Accord, sometimes it just won't start. The battery is fine
> and seems to have good cranking power etc. Then after several tries it
> finally starts but the engine check light comes on and it runs really
> really ragged. When I put it in gear it literally stutters down the
> road, like it is only firing on half the cylinders or something. I can
> then pull over and try to restart the car but will get the same
> phenomenon. After a minute or so of driving the car it will finally
> even out, the check engine light turns off and it runs and starts fine.
> This has happened about 6 times out of 70 starts. I thought it might
> be the fuel as the car had sat for a couple of months before I bought
> it but I have gone through about 6 tanks of gas and several fuel system
> cleaner additatives. I have noticed it at its worst when the car has
> sat at work with the front of the car on a slight upslope but this
> might have nothing to do with my problem. Anyone have any ideas?
------------------------------------
If it only manifests when the car has sat for several hours, it could be
the dripping injector problem. If it's 'guaranteed' to give trouble on
Monday morning after sitting all night, try what the Owner's Manual says
to do for a FLOODED engine. Hold the pedal half way to the floor and
crank it. If it starts with a blast of smoke and sputtering, you've
probably found the culprit. As was mentioned, Techron, or a few tanks of
Gasohol may fix it. Be aware that your oil is getting a lot of fuel in
it. Change your PCV also, since the car is new-to-you.
'Curly'
>
> I have a 95 Accord, sometimes it just won't start. The battery is fine
> and seems to have good cranking power etc. Then after several tries it
> finally starts but the engine check light comes on and it runs really
> really ragged. When I put it in gear it literally stutters down the
> road, like it is only firing on half the cylinders or something. I can
> then pull over and try to restart the car but will get the same
> phenomenon. After a minute or so of driving the car it will finally
> even out, the check engine light turns off and it runs and starts fine.
> This has happened about 6 times out of 70 starts. I thought it might
> be the fuel as the car had sat for a couple of months before I bought
> it but I have gone through about 6 tanks of gas and several fuel system
> cleaner additatives. I have noticed it at its worst when the car has
> sat at work with the front of the car on a slight upslope but this
> might have nothing to do with my problem. Anyone have any ideas?
------------------------------------
If it only manifests when the car has sat for several hours, it could be
the dripping injector problem. If it's 'guaranteed' to give trouble on
Monday morning after sitting all night, try what the Owner's Manual says
to do for a FLOODED engine. Hold the pedal half way to the floor and
crank it. If it starts with a blast of smoke and sputtering, you've
probably found the culprit. As was mentioned, Techron, or a few tanks of
Gasohol may fix it. Be aware that your oil is getting a lot of fuel in
it. Change your PCV also, since the car is new-to-you.
'Curly'
01-21-2006, 02:45 PM
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Re: 95 accord won't start sometimes
"kva1000" <kva1000junk@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I have a 95 Accord, sometimes it just won't start. The battery is fine
> and seems to have good cranking power etc. Then after several tries it
> finally starts but the engine check light comes on and it runs really
> really ragged. When I put it in gear it literally stutters down the
> road, like it is only firing on half the cylinders or something. I can
> then pull over and try to restart the car but will get the same
> phenomenon. After a minute or so of driving the car it will finally
> even out, the check engine light turns off and it runs and starts fine.
> This has happened about 6 times out of 70 starts. I thought it might
> be the fuel as the car had sat for a couple of months before I bought
> it but I have gone through about 6 tanks of gas and several fuel system
> cleaner additatives. I have noticed it at its worst when the car has
> sat at work with the front of the car on a slight upslope but this
> might have nothing to do with my problem. Anyone have any ideas?
>
More to rule a potential problem out then to directly attack through
troubleshooting, a bottle of gasoline dryer will absorb any water that was
collecting in the tank. I doubt it is the source of the problem, but since
the car sat a while it may be in order anyway.
In theory, there are only three possible problem areas - fuel, ignition and
compression. The symptoms don't sound like compression at all and very
little like ignition, so fuel (including mixture) are the focus of most of
the suggestions - and good ones they are. I am still concerned about the
injectors after sitting for a couple months. You may need to have them
tested and professionally cleaned or replaced. It could be a leaker in
combination with some with impaired flow.
Mike
news:1137860645.151381.149460@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I have a 95 Accord, sometimes it just won't start. The battery is fine
> and seems to have good cranking power etc. Then after several tries it
> finally starts but the engine check light comes on and it runs really
> really ragged. When I put it in gear it literally stutters down the
> road, like it is only firing on half the cylinders or something. I can
> then pull over and try to restart the car but will get the same
> phenomenon. After a minute or so of driving the car it will finally
> even out, the check engine light turns off and it runs and starts fine.
> This has happened about 6 times out of 70 starts. I thought it might
> be the fuel as the car had sat for a couple of months before I bought
> it but I have gone through about 6 tanks of gas and several fuel system
> cleaner additatives. I have noticed it at its worst when the car has
> sat at work with the front of the car on a slight upslope but this
> might have nothing to do with my problem. Anyone have any ideas?
>
More to rule a potential problem out then to directly attack through
troubleshooting, a bottle of gasoline dryer will absorb any water that was
collecting in the tank. I doubt it is the source of the problem, but since
the car sat a while it may be in order anyway.
In theory, there are only three possible problem areas - fuel, ignition and
compression. The symptoms don't sound like compression at all and very
little like ignition, so fuel (including mixture) are the focus of most of
the suggestions - and good ones they are. I am still concerned about the
injectors after sitting for a couple months. You may need to have them
tested and professionally cleaned or replaced. It could be a leaker in
combination with some with impaired flow.
Mike
01-21-2006, 09:44 PM
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Re: 95 accord won't start sometimes
"kva1000" <kva1000junk@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1137860645.151381.149460@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:
> I have a 95 Accord, sometimes it just won't start. The battery is fine
> and seems to have good cranking power etc. Then after several tries it
> finally starts but the engine check light comes on and it runs really
> really ragged. When I put it in gear it literally stutters down the
> road, like it is only firing on half the cylinders or something. I can
> then pull over and try to restart the car but will get the same
> phenomenon. After a minute or so of driving the car it will finally
> even out, the check engine light turns off and it runs and starts fine.
Several possibilities:
1) Blown head gasket. How's the coolant level? Coolant trickles into the
cyliner overnight, and makes cold starts very difficult.
2) Weak spark from old ignition wires. Spark will be weak until car warms
up. Is the weather wet where you are?
3) Other problem related to the error the ECM is turning on the MIL for.
You need to get the code for that.
> This has happened about 6 times out of 70 starts. I thought it might
> be the fuel as the car had sat for a couple of months before I bought
> it but I have gone through about 6 tanks of gas and several fuel system
> cleaner additatives. I have noticed it at its worst when the car has
> sat at work with the front of the car on a slight upslope but this
> might have nothing to do with my problem. Anyone have any ideas?
>
Get the code off the ECM. It will probably still be stored.
Procedure: Access service check connector (located under dashboard on
passenger side) (H7). Short service check connector's holes with paper clip
and turn ignition on and observe Check Engine light for codes.
There may be both long and short blinks, and more than one code may be
stored. The sequence will repeat with a long pause between sequences.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:1137860645.151381.149460@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:
> I have a 95 Accord, sometimes it just won't start. The battery is fine
> and seems to have good cranking power etc. Then after several tries it
> finally starts but the engine check light comes on and it runs really
> really ragged. When I put it in gear it literally stutters down the
> road, like it is only firing on half the cylinders or something. I can
> then pull over and try to restart the car but will get the same
> phenomenon. After a minute or so of driving the car it will finally
> even out, the check engine light turns off and it runs and starts fine.
Several possibilities:
1) Blown head gasket. How's the coolant level? Coolant trickles into the
cyliner overnight, and makes cold starts very difficult.
2) Weak spark from old ignition wires. Spark will be weak until car warms
up. Is the weather wet where you are?
3) Other problem related to the error the ECM is turning on the MIL for.
You need to get the code for that.
> This has happened about 6 times out of 70 starts. I thought it might
> be the fuel as the car had sat for a couple of months before I bought
> it but I have gone through about 6 tanks of gas and several fuel system
> cleaner additatives. I have noticed it at its worst when the car has
> sat at work with the front of the car on a slight upslope but this
> might have nothing to do with my problem. Anyone have any ideas?
>
Get the code off the ECM. It will probably still be stored.
Procedure: Access service check connector (located under dashboard on
passenger side) (H7). Short service check connector's holes with paper clip
and turn ignition on and observe Check Engine light for codes.
There may be both long and short blinks, and more than one code may be
stored. The sequence will repeat with a long pause between sequences.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
01-22-2006, 08:40 PM
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Re: 95 accord won't start sometimes
I have a 96 accord.
I had to replace the wires, cap and button, and reseal the distrub. with
silicone AND dry out the coil and re-seal. If there was even a light mist,
the poor old thing wouldn't start without a can of WD-40. Anyway, after I
got everything dried out, replaced and sealed. I can basically drive it
through a small pond and it runs fine...
Anyway, something to check...
BD
"kva1000" <kva1000junk@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I have a 95 Accord, sometimes it just won't start. The battery is fine
> and seems to have good cranking power etc. Then after several tries it
> finally starts but the engine check light comes on and it runs really
> really ragged. When I put it in gear it literally stutters down the
> road, like it is only firing on half the cylinders or something. I can
> then pull over and try to restart the car but will get the same
> phenomenon. After a minute or so of driving the car it will finally
> even out, the check engine light turns off and it runs and starts fine.
> This has happened about 6 times out of 70 starts. I thought it might
> be the fuel as the car had sat for a couple of months before I bought
> it but I have gone through about 6 tanks of gas and several fuel system
> cleaner additatives. I have noticed it at its worst when the car has
> sat at work with the front of the car on a slight upslope but this
> might have nothing to do with my problem. Anyone have any ideas?
>
I had to replace the wires, cap and button, and reseal the distrub. with
silicone AND dry out the coil and re-seal. If there was even a light mist,
the poor old thing wouldn't start without a can of WD-40. Anyway, after I
got everything dried out, replaced and sealed. I can basically drive it
through a small pond and it runs fine...
Anyway, something to check...
BD
"kva1000" <kva1000junk@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1137860645.151381.149460@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I have a 95 Accord, sometimes it just won't start. The battery is fine
> and seems to have good cranking power etc. Then after several tries it
> finally starts but the engine check light comes on and it runs really
> really ragged. When I put it in gear it literally stutters down the
> road, like it is only firing on half the cylinders or something. I can
> then pull over and try to restart the car but will get the same
> phenomenon. After a minute or so of driving the car it will finally
> even out, the check engine light turns off and it runs and starts fine.
> This has happened about 6 times out of 70 starts. I thought it might
> be the fuel as the car had sat for a couple of months before I bought
> it but I have gone through about 6 tanks of gas and several fuel system
> cleaner additatives. I have noticed it at its worst when the car has
> sat at work with the front of the car on a slight upslope but this
> might have nothing to do with my problem. Anyone have any ideas?
>
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