96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

Hi Guys,

You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
me.

--Craig

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

On Jun 11, 12:51 pm, celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> me.
>
> --Craig

Also, my car has over 160,000 miles..... And the A/C does blow cold
again when I start to drive again.

--Craig

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

On Jun 11, 12:51 pm, celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> me.
>
> --Craig

Also, my car has over 160,000 miles..... And the A/C does blow cold
again when I start to drive again.

--Craig

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

On Jun 11, 11:51 am, celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> me.
>
> --Craig


You probably need a flush.. Maybe even a new radiator..
I would fix that *fast* if you like that car.. Overheating is the
fastest way on earth to kill a honda.. :(
Make sure the fans are working right.. They probably are..
It's probably new radiator time..
MK

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

On Jun 11, 11:51 am, celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> me.
>
> --Craig


You probably need a flush.. Maybe even a new radiator..
I would fix that *fast* if you like that car.. Overheating is the
fastest way on earth to kill a honda.. :(
Make sure the fans are working right.. They probably are..
It's probably new radiator time..
MK

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

Top off the coolant in the reservoir using only OEM Honda
coolant. Start monitoring the level of coolant in the
reservoir: Start of day when cool, then when warmed up. If
the level appears to be going down and you have to regularly
top off the coolant, then this will be an indication of
whether there is a leak somewhere.

It's possible you just have a faulty thermostat, too,
especially if the thermostat installed is the original one.
It's worth replacing pre-emptively just to see if it fixes
this problem. Use only an OEM thermstat.

"celliot75" <craigelliot75@gmail.com> wrote
> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice
> on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when
> I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back
> down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the
> engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing
> cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with
> the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances,
> if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off
> until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you
> can provide
> me.
>
> --Craig
>

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

Top off the coolant in the reservoir using only OEM Honda
coolant. Start monitoring the level of coolant in the
reservoir: Start of day when cool, then when warmed up. If
the level appears to be going down and you have to regularly
top off the coolant, then this will be an indication of
whether there is a leak somewhere.

It's possible you just have a faulty thermostat, too,
especially if the thermostat installed is the original one.
It's worth replacing pre-emptively just to see if it fixes
this problem. Use only an OEM thermstat.

"celliot75" <craigelliot75@gmail.com> wrote
> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice
> on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when
> I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back
> down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the
> engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing
> cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with
> the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances,
> if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off
> until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you
> can provide
> me.
>
> --Craig
>

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

celliot75 wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> me.

Check that your radiator fan is running when the car is hot. If not, the
fan may be dead, or you may have an electrical issue.

Your symptoms are very common in a car whose fan is not running, since at a
stop there is no air flowing through the radiator fins.

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

celliot75 wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> me.

Check that your radiator fan is running when the car is hot. If not, the
fan may be dead, or you may have an electrical issue.

Your symptoms are very common in a car whose fan is not running, since at a
stop there is no air flowing through the radiator fins.

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

celliot75 <craigelliot75@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1181584298.215604.225410@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com:

> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> me.
>
> --Craig
>

You need a new thermostat;use a genuine Honda TS for replacement.
They are not expensive.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

celliot75 <craigelliot75@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1181584298.215604.225410@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com:

> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> me.
>
> --Craig
>

You need a new thermostat;use a genuine Honda TS for replacement.
They are not expensive.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

On Jun 11, 4:15 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
> celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote innews:1181584298.215604.225410@h2g2000hsg.googleg roups.com:
>
> > Hi Guys,
>
> > You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> > problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> > and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> > proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> > to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> > also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> > fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> > situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> > time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> > me.
>
> > --Craig
>
> You need a new thermostat;use a genuine Honda TS for replacement.
> They are not expensive.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net


Dunno.. I don't think it's the stat. If the stat stuck closed, it
would
overheat at any speed. The more I think about it, the more it sounds
like the fans are not working.. You need the fans for both the engine
cooling, and the A/C condensor. Being he's reporting that both are
flaking out when still, kinda is making me lean to the fans being out.
If you had a bad radiator, that shouldn't effect the heat transfer
across
the condensor, being they are separate coils. Well, unless the
radiator
was really clogged..
So anyway, I'm starting to revise my first guess.. I'm starting to
lean to
the fan/s being out fer some reason..
MK

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

On Jun 11, 4:15 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
> celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote innews:1181584298.215604.225410@h2g2000hsg.googleg roups.com:
>
> > Hi Guys,
>
> > You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> > problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> > and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> > proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> > to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> > also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> > fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> > situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> > time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> > me.
>
> > --Craig
>
> You need a new thermostat;use a genuine Honda TS for replacement.
> They are not expensive.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net


Dunno.. I don't think it's the stat. If the stat stuck closed, it
would
overheat at any speed. The more I think about it, the more it sounds
like the fans are not working.. You need the fans for both the engine
cooling, and the A/C condensor. Being he's reporting that both are
flaking out when still, kinda is making me lean to the fans being out.
If you had a bad radiator, that shouldn't effect the heat transfer
across
the condensor, being they are separate coils. Well, unless the
radiator
was really clogged..
So anyway, I'm starting to revise my first guess.. I'm starting to
lean to
the fan/s being out fer some reason..
MK

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

On Jun 11, 7:15 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:

>
> You need a new thermostat;use a genuine Honda TS for replacement.
> They are not expensive.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

Expensive to the Canadian consumer though.Paid $39 for one last
week.Major rip-off.

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

On Jun 11, 7:15 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:

>
> You need a new thermostat;use a genuine Honda TS for replacement.
> They are not expensive.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

Expensive to the Canadian consumer though.Paid $39 for one last
week.Major rip-off.

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

nm5k@wt.net wrote in
news:1181603958.417256.24590@k79g2000hse.googlegro ups.com:

> On Jun 11, 4:15 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
>> celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:1181584298.215604.225410@h2g2000hsg.googleg roups.com:
>>
>> > Hi Guys,
>>
>> > You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my
>> > current problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when
>> > I'm in stop and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools
>> > back down to the proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile
>> > and the engine starts to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would
>> > stop blowing cold air also ( could this be a switch problem of some
>> > sort, with the A/C fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short
>> > distances, if its a situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn
>> > the car off until it's time to go again. Thank you in advace for
>> > any help you can provide me.
>>
>> > --Craig
>>
>> You need a new thermostat;use a genuine Honda TS for replacement.
>> They are not expensive.
>>
>> --
>> Jim Yanik
>> jyanik
>> at
>> kua.net
>
>
> Dunno.. I don't think it's the stat. If the stat stuck closed, it
> would
> overheat at any speed. The more I think about it, the more it sounds
> like the fans are not working.. You need the fans for both the engine
> cooling, and the A/C condensor. Being he's reporting that both are
> flaking out when still, kinda is making me lean to the fans being out.
> If you had a bad radiator, that shouldn't effect the heat transfer
> across
> the condensor, being they are separate coils. Well, unless the
> radiator
> was really clogged..
> So anyway, I'm starting to revise my first guess.. I'm starting to
> lean to
> the fan/s being out fer some reason..
> MK
>
>

I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it was the
TS.
An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.

The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator problems
or low coolant will not do that.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

nm5k@wt.net wrote in
news:1181603958.417256.24590@k79g2000hse.googlegro ups.com:

> On Jun 11, 4:15 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
>> celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:1181584298.215604.225410@h2g2000hsg.googleg roups.com:
>>
>> > Hi Guys,
>>
>> > You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my
>> > current problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when
>> > I'm in stop and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools
>> > back down to the proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile
>> > and the engine starts to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would
>> > stop blowing cold air also ( could this be a switch problem of some
>> > sort, with the A/C fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short
>> > distances, if its a situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn
>> > the car off until it's time to go again. Thank you in advace for
>> > any help you can provide me.
>>
>> > --Craig
>>
>> You need a new thermostat;use a genuine Honda TS for replacement.
>> They are not expensive.
>>
>> --
>> Jim Yanik
>> jyanik
>> at
>> kua.net
>
>
> Dunno.. I don't think it's the stat. If the stat stuck closed, it
> would
> overheat at any speed. The more I think about it, the more it sounds
> like the fans are not working.. You need the fans for both the engine
> cooling, and the A/C condensor. Being he's reporting that both are
> flaking out when still, kinda is making me lean to the fans being out.
> If you had a bad radiator, that shouldn't effect the heat transfer
> across
> the condensor, being they are separate coils. Well, unless the
> radiator
> was really clogged..
> So anyway, I'm starting to revise my first guess.. I'm starting to
> lean to
> the fan/s being out fer some reason..
> MK
>
>

I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it was the
TS.
An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.

The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator problems
or low coolant will not do that.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

Zippo <special.hfx@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1181607502.478524.152120@w5g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com:

> On Jun 11, 7:15 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
>
>>
>> You need a new thermostat;use a genuine Honda TS for replacement.
>> They are not expensive.
>>
>> --
>> Jim Yanik
>> jyanik
>> at
>> kua.net
>
> Expensive to the Canadian consumer though.Paid $39 for one last
> week.Major rip-off.
>
>

Not really;getting a new head or the old one milled because it warps after
your motor overheats because a cheap TS failed -closed- instead of open
like an OEM Honda TS wiil,and also you can't depend on the aftermarket TS
being the right temp for your motor;the one I checked out at PepBoys said a
180 degF TS was right for my Integra,but the manual says it's a 195degF TS.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

Zippo <special.hfx@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1181607502.478524.152120@w5g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com:

> On Jun 11, 7:15 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
>
>>
>> You need a new thermostat;use a genuine Honda TS for replacement.
>> They are not expensive.
>>
>> --
>> Jim Yanik
>> jyanik
>> at
>> kua.net
>
> Expensive to the Canadian consumer though.Paid $39 for one last
> week.Major rip-off.
>
>

Not really;getting a new head or the old one milled because it warps after
your motor overheats because a cheap TS failed -closed- instead of open
like an OEM Honda TS wiil,and also you can't depend on the aftermarket TS
being the right temp for your motor;the one I checked out at PepBoys said a
180 degF TS was right for my Integra,but the manual says it's a 195degF TS.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

Jim Yanik wrote:

>
> I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it was
> the TS.
> An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.
>
> The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator problems
> or low coolant will not do that.
>

But Fan problems will.

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

Jim Yanik wrote:

>
> I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it was
> the TS.
> An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.
>
> The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator problems
> or low coolant will not do that.
>

But Fan problems will.

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

On Jun 11, 1:51 pm, celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> me.
>
> --Craig

Theres a lot of really good advice here on this NG.I would check the
cooling fans first,
if they run at a stop then the next thing to check is the radiator and
TS

If you have never replaced the cooling liquid its possible you have a
plugged rad and it only runs cooler when at speed.

And a faulty TS although Honda Ts`s open on fault , not close.(been
there )

One thing nobody has mentiopned is the water pump . This also could be
a most likely spot to start looking.

When I had my `86 Accord I had the water pump changed at the same time
as the timing belt.

A water pump that has worn impellers will not produce a good flow
through the rad at idle but will at speed because it is running a lot
faster.+ you have better airflow through the rad.

And yes , the impellers do get worn.


hope this helps

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

On Jun 11, 1:51 pm, celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> me.
>
> --Craig

Theres a lot of really good advice here on this NG.I would check the
cooling fans first,
if they run at a stop then the next thing to check is the radiator and
TS

If you have never replaced the cooling liquid its possible you have a
plugged rad and it only runs cooler when at speed.

And a faulty TS although Honda Ts`s open on fault , not close.(been
there )

One thing nobody has mentiopned is the water pump . This also could be
a most likely spot to start looking.

When I had my `86 Accord I had the water pump changed at the same time
as the timing belt.

A water pump that has worn impellers will not produce a good flow
through the rad at idle but will at speed because it is running a lot
faster.+ you have better airflow through the rad.

And yes , the impellers do get worn.


hope this helps

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in
news:f4lcct$8s2$1@aioe.org:

> Jim Yanik wrote:
>
>>
>> I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it
>> was the TS.
>> An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.
>>
>> The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator
>> problems or low coolant will not do that.
>>
>
> But Fan problems will.
>
>

A fan problem would be easy to check.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in
news:f4lcct$8s2$1@aioe.org:

> Jim Yanik wrote:
>
>>
>> I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it
>> was the TS.
>> An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.
>>
>> The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator
>> problems or low coolant will not do that.
>>
>
> But Fan problems will.
>
>

A fan problem would be easy to check.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

mred wrote:
> On Jun 11, 1:51 pm, celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
>> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
>> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
>> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
>> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
>> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
>> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
>> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
>> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
>> me.
>>
>> --Craig
>
> Theres a lot of really good advice here on this NG.I would check the
> cooling fans first,
> if they run at a stop then the next thing to check is the radiator and
> TS
>
> If you have never replaced the cooling liquid its possible you have a
> plugged rad and it only runs cooler when at speed.
>
> And a faulty TS although Honda Ts`s open on fault , not close.(been
> there )
>
> One thing nobody has mentiopned is the water pump . This also could be
> a most likely spot to start looking.
>
> When I had my `86 Accord I had the water pump changed at the same time
> as the timing belt.
>
> A water pump that has worn impellers will not produce a good flow
> through the rad at idle but will at speed because it is running a lot
> faster.+ you have better airflow through the rad.
>
> And yes , the impellers do get worn.

how? they don't touch anything.

>
>
> hope this helps
>

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

mred wrote:
> On Jun 11, 1:51 pm, celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
>> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
>> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
>> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
>> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
>> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
>> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
>> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
>> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
>> me.
>>
>> --Craig
>
> Theres a lot of really good advice here on this NG.I would check the
> cooling fans first,
> if they run at a stop then the next thing to check is the radiator and
> TS
>
> If you have never replaced the cooling liquid its possible you have a
> plugged rad and it only runs cooler when at speed.
>
> And a faulty TS although Honda Ts`s open on fault , not close.(been
> there )
>
> One thing nobody has mentiopned is the water pump . This also could be
> a most likely spot to start looking.
>
> When I had my `86 Accord I had the water pump changed at the same time
> as the timing belt.
>
> A water pump that has worn impellers will not produce a good flow
> through the rad at idle but will at speed because it is running a lot
> faster.+ you have better airflow through the rad.
>
> And yes , the impellers do get worn.

how? they don't touch anything.

>
>
> hope this helps
>

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

On Jun 12, 9:01 am, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
> Joe LaVigne <jlavi...@hits-buffalo.com> wrote innews:f4lcct$8s2$1@aioe.org:
>
> > Jim Yanik wrote:
>
> >> I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it
> >> was the TS.
> >> An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.
>
> >> The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator
> >> problems or low coolant will not do that.
>
> > But Fan problems will.
>
> A fan problem would be easy to check.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

Hi All,

I did notice something else when stopped for an extended period of
time. I noticed when stopped and the A/C starts to blow lukewarm air,
I can also hear either the A/C compressor or one of the Fans kicking
on and off....RPM meter goes up and down during this period, but it
eventually goes back to normal. I have now stopped driving the
vehicle until I get it fixed, I will be changing the TS (OEM as
suggested) and monitoring the radiator fluid levels. On checking the
fans, should the radiator fan kick in, when the TS opens? Any
suggestions on clues I should look for when checking out the fans?
Thanks again for all your help, this string as been very fullfilling
with knowledge.

--Craig

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

On Jun 12, 9:01 am, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
> Joe LaVigne <jlavi...@hits-buffalo.com> wrote innews:f4lcct$8s2$1@aioe.org:
>
> > Jim Yanik wrote:
>
> >> I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it
> >> was the TS.
> >> An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.
>
> >> The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator
> >> problems or low coolant will not do that.
>
> > But Fan problems will.
>
> A fan problem would be easy to check.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

Hi All,

I did notice something else when stopped for an extended period of
time. I noticed when stopped and the A/C starts to blow lukewarm air,
I can also hear either the A/C compressor or one of the Fans kicking
on and off....RPM meter goes up and down during this period, but it
eventually goes back to normal. I have now stopped driving the
vehicle until I get it fixed, I will be changing the TS (OEM as
suggested) and monitoring the radiator fluid levels. On checking the
fans, should the radiator fan kick in, when the TS opens? Any
suggestions on clues I should look for when checking out the fans?
Thanks again for all your help, this string as been very fullfilling
with knowledge.

--Craig

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

The next time it overheats, pop the hoold and look at the coolant overflow
tank. If it looks like it's boiling, you've blown a head gasket.

I had the exact same symptons. I tried all the easy fixes. It was the
Headgasket. This was a Civic. Repair was about $800.

G-Man



"celliot75" <craigelliot75@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181584298.215604.225410@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> me.
>
> --Craig
>

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

The next time it overheats, pop the hoold and look at the coolant overflow
tank. If it looks like it's boiling, you've blown a head gasket.

I had the exact same symptons. I tried all the easy fixes. It was the
Headgasket. This was a Civic. Repair was about $800.

G-Man



"celliot75" <craigelliot75@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181584298.215604.225410@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> me.
>
> --Craig
>

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:yfSdnbOVudERNvPbnZ2dnUVZ_u_inZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> mred wrote:
>>
>> And yes , the impellers do get worn.
>
> how? they don't touch anything.

They touch WATER.(coolant)

Water wears away rock,changes it to sand.
water jets can cut through tough materials very quickly.
Plastic is relatively soft,and degrades with age.
Also,there's more than just coolant circulating inside a engine's cooling
system.(particulates,rust....)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:yfSdnbOVudERNvPbnZ2dnUVZ_u_inZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> mred wrote:
>>
>> And yes , the impellers do get worn.
>
> how? they don't touch anything.

They touch WATER.(coolant)

Water wears away rock,changes it to sand.
water jets can cut through tough materials very quickly.
Plastic is relatively soft,and degrades with age.
Also,there's more than just coolant circulating inside a engine's cooling
system.(particulates,rust....)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

celliot75 wrote:

>
> I did notice something else when stopped for an extended period of
> time. I noticed when stopped and the A/C starts to blow lukewarm air,
> I can also hear either the A/C compressor or one of the Fans kicking
> on and off....RPM meter goes up and down during this period, but it
> eventually goes back to normal. I have now stopped driving the
> vehicle until I get it fixed, I will be changing the TS (OEM as
> suggested) and monitoring the radiator fluid levels. On checking the
> fans, should the radiator fan kick in, when the TS opens? Any
> suggestions on clues I should look for when checking out the fans?
> Thanks again for all your help, this string as been very fullfilling
> with knowledge.

The radiator fans operate independently of the TS. They should fire up when
the Rad is hot. If the temp is going up, the fans should definitely be
running.

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

celliot75 wrote:

>
> I did notice something else when stopped for an extended period of
> time. I noticed when stopped and the A/C starts to blow lukewarm air,
> I can also hear either the A/C compressor or one of the Fans kicking
> on and off....RPM meter goes up and down during this period, but it
> eventually goes back to normal. I have now stopped driving the
> vehicle until I get it fixed, I will be changing the TS (OEM as
> suggested) and monitoring the radiator fluid levels. On checking the
> fans, should the radiator fan kick in, when the TS opens? Any
> suggestions on clues I should look for when checking out the fans?
> Thanks again for all your help, this string as been very fullfilling
> with knowledge.

The radiator fans operate independently of the TS. They should fire up when
the Rad is hot. If the temp is going up, the fans should definitely be
running.

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
> news:yfSdnbOVudERNvPbnZ2dnUVZ_u_inZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>> mred wrote:
>>> And yes , the impellers do get worn.
>> how? they don't touch anything.
>
> They touch WATER.(coolant)
>
> Water wears away rock,changes it to sand.

no, particulates wear away rock.

> water jets can cut through tough materials very quickly.

and they're typically used in conjunction with abrasive powder when
cutting metals. at 60,000psi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_jet_cutter

this is not the case with a vehicle impeller.


> Plastic is relatively soft,and degrades with age.

impellers on a honda are not plastic. nor are the casings.


> Also,there's more than just coolant circulating inside a engine's cooling
> system.(particulates,rust....)

there can be from time to time, but they don't continually circulate,
they settle in places like radiators and the lower channel of the
cylinder block.


bottom line, i've seen a whole bunch of honda water pumps, and none
evidenced any wear. including the 305k mile one off my old crx. that's
305k miles on the original water pump from new. it died by bearing/seal
failure, not impeller wear.

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
> news:yfSdnbOVudERNvPbnZ2dnUVZ_u_inZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>> mred wrote:
>>> And yes , the impellers do get worn.
>> how? they don't touch anything.
>
> They touch WATER.(coolant)
>
> Water wears away rock,changes it to sand.

no, particulates wear away rock.

> water jets can cut through tough materials very quickly.

and they're typically used in conjunction with abrasive powder when
cutting metals. at 60,000psi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_jet_cutter

this is not the case with a vehicle impeller.


> Plastic is relatively soft,and degrades with age.

impellers on a honda are not plastic. nor are the casings.


> Also,there's more than just coolant circulating inside a engine's cooling
> system.(particulates,rust....)

there can be from time to time, but they don't continually circulate,
they settle in places like radiators and the lower channel of the
cylinder block.


bottom line, i've seen a whole bunch of honda water pumps, and none
evidenced any wear. including the 305k mile one off my old crx. that's
305k miles on the original water pump from new. it died by bearing/seal
failure, not impeller wear.

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
> news:yfSdnbOVudERNvPbnZ2dnUVZ_u_inZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>> mred wrote:
>>> And yes , the impellers do get worn.
>> how? they don't touch anything.
>
> They touch WATER.(coolant)
>
> Water wears away rock,changes it to sand.

no, particulates wear away rock.

> water jets can cut through tough materials very quickly.

and they're typically used in conjunction with abrasive powder when
cutting metals. at 60,000psi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_jet_cutter

this is not the case with a vehicle impeller.


> Plastic is relatively soft,and degrades with age.

impellers on a honda are not plastic. nor are the casings.


> Also,there's more than just coolant circulating inside a engine's cooling
> system.(particulates,rust....)

there can be from time to time, but they don't continually circulate,
they settle in places like radiators and the lower channel of the
cylinder block.


bottom line, i've seen a whole bunch of honda water pumps, and none
evidenced any wear. including the 305k mile one off my old crx. that's
305k miles on the original water pump from new. it died by bearing/seal
failure, not impeller wear.

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

On Jun 12, 8:59 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> Jim Yanik wrote:
> > jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote in
> >news:yfSdnbOVudERNvPbnZ2dnUVZ_u_inZ2d@speakeasy.n et:
>
> >> mred wrote:
> >>> And yes , the impellers do get worn.
> >> how? they don't touch anything.
>
> > They touch WATER.(coolant)
>
> > Water wears away rock,changes it to sand.
>
> no, particulates wear away rock.
>
> > water jets can cut through tough materials very quickly.
>
> and they're typically used in conjunction with abrasive powder when
> cutting metals. at 60,000psi.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_jet_cutter
>
> this is not the case with a vehicle impeller.
>
> > Plastic is relatively soft,and degrades with age.
>
> impellers on a honda are not plastic. nor are the casings.
>
> > Also,there's more than just coolant circulating inside a engine's cooling
> > system.(particulates,rust....)
>
> there can be from time to time, but they don't continually circulate,
> they settle in places like radiators and the lower channel of the
> cylinder block.
>
> bottom line, i've seen a whole bunch of honda water pumps, and none
> evidenced any wear. including the 305k mile one off my old crx. that's
> 305k miles on the original water pump from new. it died by bearing/seal
> failure, not impeller wear.

Hi Guys,

Justed wanted to let everybody know that it was the fans......The
radiator fan was just busted (barely turning at all) and the condensor
fan would run for a moment then shut off.....if you take your hand and
slightly turn the blade, the motor would come on again....I also
changed my temperture switch while I was at it......Thank you all for
some very good responses....Allot of knowledge in this group.

--Craig

Re: 96 Accord Running Hot in stop and go traffic.
 

On Jun 12, 8:59 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> Jim Yanik wrote:
> > jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote in
> >news:yfSdnbOVudERNvPbnZ2dnUVZ_u_inZ2d@speakeasy.n et:
>
> >> mred wrote:
> >>> And yes , the impellers do get worn.
> >> how? they don't touch anything.
>
> > They touch WATER.(coolant)
>
> > Water wears away rock,changes it to sand.
>
> no, particulates wear away rock.
>
> > water jets can cut through tough materials very quickly.
>
> and they're typically used in conjunction with abrasive powder when
> cutting metals. at 60,000psi.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_jet_cutter
>
> this is not the case with a vehicle impeller.
>
> > Plastic is relatively soft,and degrades with age.
>
> impellers on a honda are not plastic. nor are the casings.
>
> > Also,there's more than just coolant circulating inside a engine's cooling
> > system.(particulates,rust....)
>
> there can be from time to time, but they don't continually circulate,
> they settle in places like radiators and the lower channel of the
> cylinder block.
>
> bottom line, i've seen a whole bunch of honda water pumps, and none
> evidenced any wear. including the 305k mile one off my old crx. that's
> 305k miles on the original water pump from new. it died by bearing/seal
> failure, not impeller wear.

Hi Guys,

Justed wanted to let everybody know that it was the fans......The
radiator fan was just busted (barely turning at all) and the condensor
fan would run for a moment then shut off.....if you take your hand and
slightly turn the blade, the motor would come on again....I also
changed my temperture switch while I was at it......Thank you all for
some very good responses....Allot of knowledge in this group.

--Craig