98 accord needs oil pan
11-14-2006, 07:43 AM
#16
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
<snip>
> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
> erosion of the pan threads.
It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
threads is overtorquing.
Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
over 100 oil changes.
> It
> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
<snip>
> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
> erosion of the pan threads.
It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
threads is overtorquing.
Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
over 100 oil changes.
> It
> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
11-14-2006, 07:43 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
<snip>
> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
> erosion of the pan threads.
It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
threads is overtorquing.
Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
over 100 oil changes.
> It
> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
<snip>
> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
> erosion of the pan threads.
It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
threads is overtorquing.
Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
over 100 oil changes.
> It
> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
11-14-2006, 08:01 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>
>
><snip>
>
>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>> erosion of the pan threads.
>
>
>
> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
> threads is overtorquing.
>
> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>
> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>
>
>
>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>
>
>
> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
> over 100 oil changes.
>
>
>
>> It
>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>
>
>
> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>
> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>
>
>
Then perhaps this?
http://www.fumotovalve.com/
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>
>
><snip>
>
>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>> erosion of the pan threads.
>
>
>
> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
> threads is overtorquing.
>
> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>
> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>
>
>
>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>
>
>
> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
> over 100 oil changes.
>
>
>
>> It
>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>
>
>
> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>
> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>
>
>
Then perhaps this?
http://www.fumotovalve.com/
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
11-14-2006, 08:01 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>
>
><snip>
>
>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>> erosion of the pan threads.
>
>
>
> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
> threads is overtorquing.
>
> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>
> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>
>
>
>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>
>
>
> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
> over 100 oil changes.
>
>
>
>> It
>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>
>
>
> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>
> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>
>
>
Then perhaps this?
http://www.fumotovalve.com/
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>
>
><snip>
>
>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>> erosion of the pan threads.
>
>
>
> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
> threads is overtorquing.
>
> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>
> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>
>
>
>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>
>
>
> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
> over 100 oil changes.
>
>
>
>> It
>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>
>
>
> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>
> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>
>
>
Then perhaps this?
http://www.fumotovalve.com/
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
11-14-2006, 08:01 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>
>
><snip>
>
>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>> erosion of the pan threads.
>
>
>
> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
> threads is overtorquing.
>
> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>
> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>
>
>
>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>
>
>
> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
> over 100 oil changes.
>
>
>
>> It
>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>
>
>
> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>
> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>
>
>
Then perhaps this?
http://www.fumotovalve.com/
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>
>
><snip>
>
>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>> erosion of the pan threads.
>
>
>
> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
> threads is overtorquing.
>
> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>
> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>
>
>
>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>
>
>
> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
> over 100 oil changes.
>
>
>
>> It
>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>
>
>
> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>
> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>
>
>
Then perhaps this?
http://www.fumotovalve.com/
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
11-14-2006, 08:01 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>
>
><snip>
>
>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>> erosion of the pan threads.
>
>
>
> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
> threads is overtorquing.
>
> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>
> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>
>
>
>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>
>
>
> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
> over 100 oil changes.
>
>
>
>> It
>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>
>
>
> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>
> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>
>
>
Then perhaps this?
http://www.fumotovalve.com/
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>
>
><snip>
>
>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>> erosion of the pan threads.
>
>
>
> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
> threads is overtorquing.
>
> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>
> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>
>
>
>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>
>
>
> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
> over 100 oil changes.
>
>
>
>> It
>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>
>
>
> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>
> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>
>
>
Then perhaps this?
http://www.fumotovalve.com/
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
11-14-2006, 09:04 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Jim Yanik wrote:
> "TeGGeR�" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>
>> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
>> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>>> erosion of the pan threads.
>>
>>
>> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
>> threads is overtorquing.
>>
>> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
>> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>>
>> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
>> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>>
>>
>> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
>> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
>> over 100 oil changes.
>>
>>
>>
>>> It
>>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>>
>>
>> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
over my dead body.
> "TeGGeR�" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>
>> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
>> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>>> erosion of the pan threads.
>>
>>
>> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
>> threads is overtorquing.
>>
>> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
>> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>>
>> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
>> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>>
>>
>> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
>> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
>> over 100 oil changes.
>>
>>
>>
>>> It
>>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>>
>>
>> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
over my dead body.
11-14-2006, 09:04 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Jim Yanik wrote:
> "TeGGeR�" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>
>> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
>> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>>> erosion of the pan threads.
>>
>>
>> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
>> threads is overtorquing.
>>
>> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
>> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>>
>> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
>> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>>
>>
>> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
>> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
>> over 100 oil changes.
>>
>>
>>
>>> It
>>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>>
>>
>> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
over my dead body.
> "TeGGeR�" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>
>> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
>> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>>> erosion of the pan threads.
>>
>>
>> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
>> threads is overtorquing.
>>
>> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
>> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>>
>> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
>> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>>
>>
>> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
>> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
>> over 100 oil changes.
>>
>>
>>
>>> It
>>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>>
>>
>> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
over my dead body.
11-14-2006, 09:04 AM
#24
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Posts: n/a
Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Jim Yanik wrote:
> "TeGGeR�" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>
>> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
>> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>>> erosion of the pan threads.
>>
>>
>> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
>> threads is overtorquing.
>>
>> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
>> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>>
>> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
>> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>>
>>
>> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
>> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
>> over 100 oil changes.
>>
>>
>>
>>> It
>>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>>
>>
>> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
over my dead body.
> "TeGGeR�" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>
>> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
>> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>>> erosion of the pan threads.
>>
>>
>> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
>> threads is overtorquing.
>>
>> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
>> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>>
>> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
>> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>>
>>
>> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
>> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
>> over 100 oil changes.
>>
>>
>>
>>> It
>>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>>
>>
>> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
over my dead body.
11-14-2006, 09:04 AM
#25
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Posts: n/a
Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Jim Yanik wrote:
> "TeGGeR�" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>
>> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
>> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>>> erosion of the pan threads.
>>
>>
>> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
>> threads is overtorquing.
>>
>> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
>> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>>
>> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
>> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>>
>>
>> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
>> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
>> over 100 oil changes.
>>
>>
>>
>>> It
>>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>>
>>
>> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
over my dead body.
> "TeGGeR�" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>
>> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
>> news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
>>> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
>>> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
>>> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
>>> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
>>> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
>>> erosion of the pan threads.
>>
>>
>> It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
>> threads is overtorquing.
>>
>> Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
>> bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
>>
>> The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
>> exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
>>> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
>>
>>
>> Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
>> long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
>> over 100 oil changes.
>>
>>
>>
>>> It
>>> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
>>
>>
>> It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
over my dead body.
11-14-2006, 11:33 AM
#26
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Posts: n/a
Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns987B51AFC3DD5jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85:
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>> It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil
>> pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
Or just torque the damn bolt properly.
Last time I had the local dealer do an oil change (some time last year) I
noticed a notation on the invoice that stated the drain bolt had been
"hand-torqued". I thought, uh-oh...What's the opposite of that?
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:Xns987B51AFC3DD5jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85:
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>> It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil
>> pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
Or just torque the damn bolt properly.
Last time I had the local dealer do an oil change (some time last year) I
noticed a notation on the invoice that stated the drain bolt had been
"hand-torqued". I thought, uh-oh...What's the opposite of that?
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
11-14-2006, 11:33 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns987B51AFC3DD5jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85:
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>> It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil
>> pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
Or just torque the damn bolt properly.
Last time I had the local dealer do an oil change (some time last year) I
noticed a notation on the invoice that stated the drain bolt had been
"hand-torqued". I thought, uh-oh...What's the opposite of that?
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:Xns987B51AFC3DD5jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85:
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>> It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil
>> pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
Or just torque the damn bolt properly.
Last time I had the local dealer do an oil change (some time last year) I
noticed a notation on the invoice that stated the drain bolt had been
"hand-torqued". I thought, uh-oh...What's the opposite of that?
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
11-14-2006, 11:33 AM
#28
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns987B51AFC3DD5jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85:
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>> It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil
>> pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
Or just torque the damn bolt properly.
Last time I had the local dealer do an oil change (some time last year) I
noticed a notation on the invoice that stated the drain bolt had been
"hand-torqued". I thought, uh-oh...What's the opposite of that?
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:Xns987B51AFC3DD5jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85:
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>> It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil
>> pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
Or just torque the damn bolt properly.
Last time I had the local dealer do an oil change (some time last year) I
noticed a notation on the invoice that stated the drain bolt had been
"hand-torqued". I thought, uh-oh...What's the opposite of that?
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
11-14-2006, 11:33 AM
#29
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns987B51AFC3DD5jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85:
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>> It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil
>> pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
Or just torque the damn bolt properly.
Last time I had the local dealer do an oil change (some time last year) I
noticed a notation on the invoice that stated the drain bolt had been
"hand-torqued". I thought, uh-oh...What's the opposite of that?
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:Xns987B51AFC3DD5jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85:
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns987B4E76F9883tegger@207.14.116.130:
>> It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil
>> pan.
>>
>> The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then perhaps this?
>
> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>
Or just torque the damn bolt properly.
Last time I had the local dealer do an oil change (some time last year) I
noticed a notation on the invoice that stated the drain bolt had been
"hand-torqued". I thought, uh-oh...What's the opposite of that?
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
11-14-2006, 02:50 PM
#30
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Posts: n/a
Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
TeGGeR® wrote:
>
> Last time I had the local dealer do an oil change (some time last year) I
> noticed a notation on the invoice that stated the drain bolt had been
> "hand-torqued". I thought, uh-oh...What's the opposite of that?
>
May it mean that they DIDN"T use one of those fancy new extensions that
apply the correct torque automatically? Just a guess. bob
>
> Last time I had the local dealer do an oil change (some time last year) I
> noticed a notation on the invoice that stated the drain bolt had been
> "hand-torqued". I thought, uh-oh...What's the opposite of that?
>
May it mean that they DIDN"T use one of those fancy new extensions that
apply the correct torque automatically? Just a guess. bob
