98 accord needs oil pan
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:48:15 +0000, JXStern wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:51:54 +0000 (UTC), Joe LaVigne
> <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
>>That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
>>service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
>>obviously done by his shop...
>
> Dealer swore to me it's natural after ten years or so, ... no?
>
> J.
Ask the dealer if there are any other bolts in the car that he considers
it normal to have strip after 10 years of normal use and torque...
Maybe the spark plugs. Boy would THAT be a good deal for a dealership.
Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should last
forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs to
be fixed.
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:51:54 +0000 (UTC), Joe LaVigne
> <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
>>That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
>>service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
>>obviously done by his shop...
>
> Dealer swore to me it's natural after ten years or so, ... no?
>
> J.
Ask the dealer if there are any other bolts in the car that he considers
it normal to have strip after 10 years of normal use and torque...
Maybe the spark plugs. Boy would THAT be a good deal for a dealership.
Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should last
forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs to
be fixed.
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
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> Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should last
> forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs to
> be fixed.
Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up in
other auto fora.
It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were aluminum.
I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.
Mike
news:ejerl2$374$13@news.datemas.de...
> Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should last
> forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs to
> be fixed.
Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up in
other auto fora.
It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were aluminum.
I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.
Mike
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
news:ejerl2$374$13@news.datemas.de...
> Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should last
> forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs to
> be fixed.
Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up in
other auto fora.
It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were aluminum.
I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.
Mike
news:ejerl2$374$13@news.datemas.de...
> Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should last
> forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs to
> be fixed.
Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up in
other auto fora.
It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were aluminum.
I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.
Mike
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
news:ejerl2$374$13@news.datemas.de...
> Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should last
> forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs to
> be fixed.
Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up in
other auto fora.
It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were aluminum.
I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.
Mike
news:ejerl2$374$13@news.datemas.de...
> Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should last
> forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs to
> be fixed.
Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up in
other auto fora.
It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were aluminum.
I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.
Mike
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Mike, Joe, Jim...I just hope American Honda agrees with you guys (and me!)
The more I think about it, the more aggravated I get with the dealer.
Unusual since this dealer has really taken good care of me service wise...
I'll post again after I hear from the arbitrator.
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:6fmdnf_vU74qn8bYnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
> news:ejerl2$374$13@news.datemas.de...
>
> > Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should
last
> > forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs
to
> > be fixed.
>
> Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
> seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up
in
> other auto fora.
>
> It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were
aluminum.
> I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.
>
> Mike
>
>
The more I think about it, the more aggravated I get with the dealer.
Unusual since this dealer has really taken good care of me service wise...
I'll post again after I hear from the arbitrator.
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:6fmdnf_vU74qn8bYnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
> news:ejerl2$374$13@news.datemas.de...
>
> > Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should
last
> > forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs
to
> > be fixed.
>
> Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
> seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up
in
> other auto fora.
>
> It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were
aluminum.
> I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.
>
> Mike
>
>
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Mike, Joe, Jim...I just hope American Honda agrees with you guys (and me!)
The more I think about it, the more aggravated I get with the dealer.
Unusual since this dealer has really taken good care of me service wise...
I'll post again after I hear from the arbitrator.
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:6fmdnf_vU74qn8bYnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
> news:ejerl2$374$13@news.datemas.de...
>
> > Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should
last
> > forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs
to
> > be fixed.
>
> Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
> seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up
in
> other auto fora.
>
> It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were
aluminum.
> I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.
>
> Mike
>
>
The more I think about it, the more aggravated I get with the dealer.
Unusual since this dealer has really taken good care of me service wise...
I'll post again after I hear from the arbitrator.
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:6fmdnf_vU74qn8bYnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
> news:ejerl2$374$13@news.datemas.de...
>
> > Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should
last
> > forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs
to
> > be fixed.
>
> Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
> seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up
in
> other auto fora.
>
> It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were
aluminum.
> I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.
>
> Mike
>
>
#67
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Mike, Joe, Jim...I just hope American Honda agrees with you guys (and me!)
The more I think about it, the more aggravated I get with the dealer.
Unusual since this dealer has really taken good care of me service wise...
I'll post again after I hear from the arbitrator.
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:6fmdnf_vU74qn8bYnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
> news:ejerl2$374$13@news.datemas.de...
>
> > Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should
last
> > forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs
to
> > be fixed.
>
> Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
> seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up
in
> other auto fora.
>
> It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were
aluminum.
> I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.
>
> Mike
>
>
The more I think about it, the more aggravated I get with the dealer.
Unusual since this dealer has really taken good care of me service wise...
I'll post again after I hear from the arbitrator.
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:6fmdnf_vU74qn8bYnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
> news:ejerl2$374$13@news.datemas.de...
>
> > Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should
last
> > forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs
to
> > be fixed.
>
> Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
> seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up
in
> other auto fora.
>
> It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were
aluminum.
> I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.
>
> Mike
>
>
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
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> "N.E.Ohio Bob" <rgstroud@neo.rr.com> wrote in
> news:455a1e09$0$6937$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>>
>> Fram had something like this for sale many years ago. I bought
>> one, but
>> never installed it. Possibility of a bad outcome scared me too much.
>> bob
>>
>
>
> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>
It wouldn't on my 94 Integra GSR;the oil plug is on the side not the bottom
of the pan.You'd tear up your oil pan (and everything else under your car)
before you got the valve.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:Xns987BD3336465tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "N.E.Ohio Bob" <rgstroud@neo.rr.com> wrote in
> news:455a1e09$0$6937$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>>
>> Fram had something like this for sale many years ago. I bought
>> one, but
>> never installed it. Possibility of a bad outcome scared me too much.
>> bob
>>
>
>
> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>
It wouldn't on my 94 Integra GSR;the oil plug is on the side not the bottom
of the pan.You'd tear up your oil pan (and everything else under your car)
before you got the valve.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns987BD3336465tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "N.E.Ohio Bob" <rgstroud@neo.rr.com> wrote in
> news:455a1e09$0$6937$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>>
>> Fram had something like this for sale many years ago. I bought
>> one, but
>> never installed it. Possibility of a bad outcome scared me too much.
>> bob
>>
>
>
> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>
It wouldn't on my 94 Integra GSR;the oil plug is on the side not the bottom
of the pan.You'd tear up your oil pan (and everything else under your car)
before you got the valve.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:Xns987BD3336465tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "N.E.Ohio Bob" <rgstroud@neo.rr.com> wrote in
> news:455a1e09$0$6937$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>>
>> Fram had something like this for sale many years ago. I bought
>> one, but
>> never installed it. Possibility of a bad outcome scared me too much.
>> bob
>>
>
>
> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>
It wouldn't on my 94 Integra GSR;the oil plug is on the side not the bottom
of the pan.You'd tear up your oil pan (and everything else under your car)
before you got the valve.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns987BD3336465tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "N.E.Ohio Bob" <rgstroud@neo.rr.com> wrote in
> news:455a1e09$0$6937$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>>
>> Fram had something like this for sale many years ago. I bought
>> one, but
>> never installed it. Possibility of a bad outcome scared me too much.
>> bob
>>
>
>
> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>
It wouldn't on my 94 Integra GSR;the oil plug is on the side not the bottom
of the pan.You'd tear up your oil pan (and everything else under your car)
before you got the valve.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:Xns987BD3336465tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "N.E.Ohio Bob" <rgstroud@neo.rr.com> wrote in
> news:455a1e09$0$6937$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> http://www.fumotovalve.com/
>>
>> Fram had something like this for sale many years ago. I bought
>> one, but
>> never installed it. Possibility of a bad outcome scared me too much.
>> bob
>>
>
>
> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>
It wouldn't on my 94 Integra GSR;the oil plug is on the side not the bottom
of the pan.You'd tear up your oil pan (and everything else under your car)
before you got the valve.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
jim beam wrote:
>
> JXStern wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:51:54 +0000 (UTC), Joe LaVigne
> > <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
> >> That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
> >> service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
> >> obviously done by his shop...
> >
> > Dealer swore to me it's natural after ten years or so, ... no?
> >
> > J.
> >
> ten years of what? ten years of over-torque, yes, it'll fail. 10 years
> of correct usage? no.
I have an '82 and '83 Honda Civic and both as far as I can tell have
original oil pans with the correct plug. Oil pan drain plug problems
are not limited to Hondas if my experience counts for anything over the
past forty years...
JT
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
jim beam wrote:
>
> JXStern wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:51:54 +0000 (UTC), Joe LaVigne
> > <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
> >> That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
> >> service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
> >> obviously done by his shop...
> >
> > Dealer swore to me it's natural after ten years or so, ... no?
> >
> > J.
> >
> ten years of what? ten years of over-torque, yes, it'll fail. 10 years
> of correct usage? no.
I have an '82 and '83 Honda Civic and both as far as I can tell have
original oil pans with the correct plug. Oil pan drain plug problems
are not limited to Hondas if my experience counts for anything over the
past forty years...
JT
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
jim beam wrote:
>
> JXStern wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:51:54 +0000 (UTC), Joe LaVigne
> > <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
> >> That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
> >> service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
> >> obviously done by his shop...
> >
> > Dealer swore to me it's natural after ten years or so, ... no?
> >
> > J.
> >
> ten years of what? ten years of over-torque, yes, it'll fail. 10 years
> of correct usage? no.
I have an '82 and '83 Honda Civic and both as far as I can tell have
original oil pans with the correct plug. Oil pan drain plug problems
are not limited to Hondas if my experience counts for anything over the
past forty years...
JT
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
TeGGeR® wrote:
>
> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
I guess it depends on the model.
I had the same concern when I had one installed in my 98 Civic (because
of negligent service at oil changing places). That is, until you notice
that the plug is behind the pan and that the valve comes at an angle.
Its end is still above the pan bottom, to tear it apart you have to rip
open the pan first.
Serban
>
> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
I guess it depends on the model.
I had the same concern when I had one installed in my 98 Civic (because
of negligent service at oil changing places). That is, until you notice
that the plug is behind the pan and that the valve comes at an angle.
Its end is still above the pan bottom, to tear it apart you have to rip
open the pan first.
Serban
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
TeGGeR® wrote:
>
> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
I guess it depends on the model.
I had the same concern when I had one installed in my 98 Civic (because
of negligent service at oil changing places). That is, until you notice
that the plug is behind the pan and that the valve comes at an angle.
Its end is still above the pan bottom, to tear it apart you have to rip
open the pan first.
Serban
>
> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
I guess it depends on the model.
I had the same concern when I had one installed in my 98 Civic (because
of negligent service at oil changing places). That is, until you notice
that the plug is behind the pan and that the valve comes at an angle.
Its end is still above the pan bottom, to tear it apart you have to rip
open the pan first.
Serban