98 accord needs oil pan
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
TeGGeR® wrote:
>
> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>
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> TeGGeR®
>
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I guess it depends on the model.
I had the same concern when I had one installed in my 98 Civic (because
of negligent service at oil changing places). That is, until you notice
that the plug is behind the pan and that the valve comes at an angle.
Its end is still above the pan bottom, to tear it apart you have to rip
open the pan first.
Serban
>
> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
I guess it depends on the model.
I had the same concern when I had one installed in my 98 Civic (because
of negligent service at oil changing places). That is, until you notice
that the plug is behind the pan and that the valve comes at an angle.
Its end is still above the pan bottom, to tear it apart you have to rip
open the pan first.
Serban
#77
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Michael Pardee wrote:
> Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
> seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up in
> other auto fora.
>
> Mike
Maybe they did not put in a new aluminum washer and tried to reuse the
old one. This guarantees that they'll have to overtighten it to get
that snug feeling. Cross-threading is probably less an occurence than
careless and cut-the-corners service.
Serban
> Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
> seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up in
> other auto fora.
>
> Mike
Maybe they did not put in a new aluminum washer and tried to reuse the
old one. This guarantees that they'll have to overtighten it to get
that snug feeling. Cross-threading is probably less an occurence than
careless and cut-the-corners service.
Serban
#78
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Michael Pardee wrote:
> Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
> seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up in
> other auto fora.
>
> Mike
Maybe they did not put in a new aluminum washer and tried to reuse the
old one. This guarantees that they'll have to overtighten it to get
that snug feeling. Cross-threading is probably less an occurence than
careless and cut-the-corners service.
Serban
> Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
> seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up in
> other auto fora.
>
> Mike
Maybe they did not put in a new aluminum washer and tried to reuse the
old one. This guarantees that they'll have to overtighten it to get
that snug feeling. Cross-threading is probably less an occurence than
careless and cut-the-corners service.
Serban
#79
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Michael Pardee wrote:
> Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
> seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up in
> other auto fora.
>
> Mike
Maybe they did not put in a new aluminum washer and tried to reuse the
old one. This guarantees that they'll have to overtighten it to get
that snug feeling. Cross-threading is probably less an occurence than
careless and cut-the-corners service.
Serban
> Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
> seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up in
> other auto fora.
>
> Mike
Maybe they did not put in a new aluminum washer and tried to reuse the
old one. This guarantees that they'll have to overtighten it to get
that snug feeling. Cross-threading is probably less an occurence than
careless and cut-the-corners service.
Serban
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"gigelus2k3" <popescu.serban@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1163637854.555752.50380@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com:
> TeGGeR® wrote:
>>
>> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
>> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>>
>> --
>> TeGGeR®
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
> I guess it depends on the model.
>
> I had the same concern when I had one installed in my 98 Civic (because
> of negligent service at oil changing places). That is, until you notice
> that the plug is behind the pan and that the valve comes at an angle.
> Its end is still above the pan bottom, to tear it apart you have to rip
> open the pan first.
>
> Serban
>
>
Makes me wonder if Tegger has ever been under his Integra to change his
oil. (I doubt his VTEC is any different than mine in that respect.)
;-)
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:1163637854.555752.50380@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com:
> TeGGeR® wrote:
>>
>> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
>> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>>
>> --
>> TeGGeR®
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
> I guess it depends on the model.
>
> I had the same concern when I had one installed in my 98 Civic (because
> of negligent service at oil changing places). That is, until you notice
> that the plug is behind the pan and that the valve comes at an angle.
> Its end is still above the pan bottom, to tear it apart you have to rip
> open the pan first.
>
> Serban
>
>
Makes me wonder if Tegger has ever been under his Integra to change his
oil. (I doubt his VTEC is any different than mine in that respect.)
;-)
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"gigelus2k3" <popescu.serban@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1163637854.555752.50380@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com:
> TeGGeR® wrote:
>>
>> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
>> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>>
>> --
>> TeGGeR®
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
> I guess it depends on the model.
>
> I had the same concern when I had one installed in my 98 Civic (because
> of negligent service at oil changing places). That is, until you notice
> that the plug is behind the pan and that the valve comes at an angle.
> Its end is still above the pan bottom, to tear it apart you have to rip
> open the pan first.
>
> Serban
>
>
Makes me wonder if Tegger has ever been under his Integra to change his
oil. (I doubt his VTEC is any different than mine in that respect.)
;-)
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:1163637854.555752.50380@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com:
> TeGGeR® wrote:
>>
>> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
>> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>>
>> --
>> TeGGeR®
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
> I guess it depends on the model.
>
> I had the same concern when I had one installed in my 98 Civic (because
> of negligent service at oil changing places). That is, until you notice
> that the plug is behind the pan and that the valve comes at an angle.
> Its end is still above the pan bottom, to tear it apart you have to rip
> open the pan first.
>
> Serban
>
>
Makes me wonder if Tegger has ever been under his Integra to change his
oil. (I doubt his VTEC is any different than mine in that respect.)
;-)
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"gigelus2k3" <popescu.serban@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1163637854.555752.50380@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com:
> TeGGeR® wrote:
>>
>> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
>> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>>
>> --
>> TeGGeR®
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
> I guess it depends on the model.
>
> I had the same concern when I had one installed in my 98 Civic (because
> of negligent service at oil changing places). That is, until you notice
> that the plug is behind the pan and that the valve comes at an angle.
> Its end is still above the pan bottom, to tear it apart you have to rip
> open the pan first.
>
> Serban
>
>
Makes me wonder if Tegger has ever been under his Integra to change his
oil. (I doubt his VTEC is any different than mine in that respect.)
;-)
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:1163637854.555752.50380@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com:
> TeGGeR® wrote:
>>
>> What scares me more than anything else is that the thing hangs down
>> below the oil pan bottom. Can you say "exposed", boys and girls?
>>
>> --
>> TeGGeR®
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
> I guess it depends on the model.
>
> I had the same concern when I had one installed in my 98 Civic (because
> of negligent service at oil changing places). That is, until you notice
> that the plug is behind the pan and that the valve comes at an angle.
> Its end is still above the pan bottom, to tear it apart you have to rip
> open the pan first.
>
> Serban
>
>
Makes me wonder if Tegger has ever been under his Integra to change his
oil. (I doubt his VTEC is any different than mine in that respect.)
;-)
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns987CCAC9ABD1Ajyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:
>
> Makes me wonder if Tegger has ever been under his Integra to change
> his oil. (I doubt his VTEC is any different than mine in that
> respect.)
>
>
According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself approximately 95 times
since the warranty ran out in 1994.
(Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol GTX at K-Mart.
The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)
The drain bolt is barely hidden by the oil pan, maybe 1/4" up from the
lowest point.
From a quick look at the link that was provided of that spigot-thingy, I
couldn't see how it would go on without sticking down below the oil
pan's bottom. If I was wrong, I was wrong. I still won't use those
things.
And I don't have VTEC!
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:Xns987CCAC9ABD1Ajyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:
>
> Makes me wonder if Tegger has ever been under his Integra to change
> his oil. (I doubt his VTEC is any different than mine in that
> respect.)
>
>
According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself approximately 95 times
since the warranty ran out in 1994.
(Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol GTX at K-Mart.
The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)
The drain bolt is barely hidden by the oil pan, maybe 1/4" up from the
lowest point.
From a quick look at the link that was provided of that spigot-thingy, I
couldn't see how it would go on without sticking down below the oil
pan's bottom. If I was wrong, I was wrong. I still won't use those
things.
And I don't have VTEC!
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
#84
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns987CCAC9ABD1Ajyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:
>
> Makes me wonder if Tegger has ever been under his Integra to change
> his oil. (I doubt his VTEC is any different than mine in that
> respect.)
>
>
According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself approximately 95 times
since the warranty ran out in 1994.
(Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol GTX at K-Mart.
The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)
The drain bolt is barely hidden by the oil pan, maybe 1/4" up from the
lowest point.
From a quick look at the link that was provided of that spigot-thingy, I
couldn't see how it would go on without sticking down below the oil
pan's bottom. If I was wrong, I was wrong. I still won't use those
things.
And I don't have VTEC!
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:Xns987CCAC9ABD1Ajyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:
>
> Makes me wonder if Tegger has ever been under his Integra to change
> his oil. (I doubt his VTEC is any different than mine in that
> respect.)
>
>
According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself approximately 95 times
since the warranty ran out in 1994.
(Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol GTX at K-Mart.
The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)
The drain bolt is barely hidden by the oil pan, maybe 1/4" up from the
lowest point.
From a quick look at the link that was provided of that spigot-thingy, I
couldn't see how it would go on without sticking down below the oil
pan's bottom. If I was wrong, I was wrong. I still won't use those
things.
And I don't have VTEC!
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
#85
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns987CCAC9ABD1Ajyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:
>
> Makes me wonder if Tegger has ever been under his Integra to change
> his oil. (I doubt his VTEC is any different than mine in that
> respect.)
>
>
According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself approximately 95 times
since the warranty ran out in 1994.
(Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol GTX at K-Mart.
The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)
The drain bolt is barely hidden by the oil pan, maybe 1/4" up from the
lowest point.
From a quick look at the link that was provided of that spigot-thingy, I
couldn't see how it would go on without sticking down below the oil
pan's bottom. If I was wrong, I was wrong. I still won't use those
things.
And I don't have VTEC!
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:Xns987CCAC9ABD1Ajyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:
>
> Makes me wonder if Tegger has ever been under his Integra to change
> his oil. (I doubt his VTEC is any different than mine in that
> respect.)
>
>
According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself approximately 95 times
since the warranty ran out in 1994.
(Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol GTX at K-Mart.
The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)
The drain bolt is barely hidden by the oil pan, maybe 1/4" up from the
lowest point.
From a quick look at the link that was provided of that spigot-thingy, I
couldn't see how it would go on without sticking down below the oil
pan's bottom. If I was wrong, I was wrong. I still won't use those
things.
And I don't have VTEC!
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
#86
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
> According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself
> approximately 95 times
> since the warranty ran out in 1994.
>
> (Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol
> GTX at K-Mart.
> The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)
Gotta buy some of that oil stock with the money you save by
doing so much car maintenance yourself. I finally had it
with gas prices and surrendered in September ago, purchasing
my first oil company position. ;-)
> According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself
> approximately 95 times
> since the warranty ran out in 1994.
>
> (Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol
> GTX at K-Mart.
> The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)
Gotta buy some of that oil stock with the money you save by
doing so much car maintenance yourself. I finally had it
with gas prices and surrendered in September ago, purchasing
my first oil company position. ;-)
#87
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
> According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself
> approximately 95 times
> since the warranty ran out in 1994.
>
> (Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol
> GTX at K-Mart.
> The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)
Gotta buy some of that oil stock with the money you save by
doing so much car maintenance yourself. I finally had it
with gas prices and surrendered in September ago, purchasing
my first oil company position. ;-)
> According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself
> approximately 95 times
> since the warranty ran out in 1994.
>
> (Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol
> GTX at K-Mart.
> The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)
Gotta buy some of that oil stock with the money you save by
doing so much car maintenance yourself. I finally had it
with gas prices and surrendered in September ago, purchasing
my first oil company position. ;-)
#88
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
> According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself
> approximately 95 times
> since the warranty ran out in 1994.
>
> (Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol
> GTX at K-Mart.
> The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)
Gotta buy some of that oil stock with the money you save by
doing so much car maintenance yourself. I finally had it
with gas prices and surrendered in September ago, purchasing
my first oil company position. ;-)
> According to my stats, I've changed my oil myself
> approximately 95 times
> since the warranty ran out in 1994.
>
> (Interesting. In 1994 I paid $7.11 for a gallon of Castrol
> GTX at K-Mart.
> The same stuff is up over $20 in 2006. Wow!)
Gotta buy some of that oil stock with the money you save by
doing so much car maintenance yourself. I finally had it
with gas prices and surrendered in September ago, purchasing
my first oil company position. ;-)
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
> jim beam wrote:
>> JXStern wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:51:54 +0000 (UTC), Joe LaVigne
>>> <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
>>>> That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
>>>> service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
>>>> obviously done by his shop...
>>> Dealer swore to me it's natural after ten years or so, ... no?
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>> ten years of what? ten years of over-torque, yes, it'll fail. 10 years
>> of correct usage? no.
>
>
>
> I have an '82 and '83 Honda Civic and both as far as I can tell have
> original oil pans with the correct plug. Oil pan drain plug problems
> are not limited to Hondas if my experience counts for anything over the
> past forty years...
>
> JT
imo, the only thing wrong with the honda plug is that it's got a big
bolt head in a nice accessible position where a knuckle-dragger can go
nuts on it with a long wrench. if they had a 3/8" square socket like
the auto transmissions, i don't think we'd ever see this problem.
>
> jim beam wrote:
>> JXStern wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:51:54 +0000 (UTC), Joe LaVigne
>>> <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
>>>> That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
>>>> service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
>>>> obviously done by his shop...
>>> Dealer swore to me it's natural after ten years or so, ... no?
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>> ten years of what? ten years of over-torque, yes, it'll fail. 10 years
>> of correct usage? no.
>
>
>
> I have an '82 and '83 Honda Civic and both as far as I can tell have
> original oil pans with the correct plug. Oil pan drain plug problems
> are not limited to Hondas if my experience counts for anything over the
> past forty years...
>
> JT
imo, the only thing wrong with the honda plug is that it's got a big
bolt head in a nice accessible position where a knuckle-dragger can go
nuts on it with a long wrench. if they had a 3/8" square socket like
the auto transmissions, i don't think we'd ever see this problem.
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
> jim beam wrote:
>> JXStern wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:51:54 +0000 (UTC), Joe LaVigne
>>> <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
>>>> That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
>>>> service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
>>>> obviously done by his shop...
>>> Dealer swore to me it's natural after ten years or so, ... no?
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>> ten years of what? ten years of over-torque, yes, it'll fail. 10 years
>> of correct usage? no.
>
>
>
> I have an '82 and '83 Honda Civic and both as far as I can tell have
> original oil pans with the correct plug. Oil pan drain plug problems
> are not limited to Hondas if my experience counts for anything over the
> past forty years...
>
> JT
imo, the only thing wrong with the honda plug is that it's got a big
bolt head in a nice accessible position where a knuckle-dragger can go
nuts on it with a long wrench. if they had a 3/8" square socket like
the auto transmissions, i don't think we'd ever see this problem.
>
> jim beam wrote:
>> JXStern wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:51:54 +0000 (UTC), Joe LaVigne
>>> <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:
>>>> That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
>>>> service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
>>>> obviously done by his shop...
>>> Dealer swore to me it's natural after ten years or so, ... no?
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>> ten years of what? ten years of over-torque, yes, it'll fail. 10 years
>> of correct usage? no.
>
>
>
> I have an '82 and '83 Honda Civic and both as far as I can tell have
> original oil pans with the correct plug. Oil pan drain plug problems
> are not limited to Hondas if my experience counts for anything over the
> past forty years...
>
> JT
imo, the only thing wrong with the honda plug is that it's got a big
bolt head in a nice accessible position where a knuckle-dragger can go
nuts on it with a long wrench. if they had a 3/8" square socket like
the auto transmissions, i don't think we'd ever see this problem.