ABS brakes
 

Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He believes
that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
something.

Re: ABS brakes
 

I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works when
the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be, why
wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when
you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking helping
to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the chance
of locking the wheels.

"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.
>
>

Re: ABS brakes
 

I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works when
the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be, why
wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when
you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking helping
to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the chance
of locking the wheels.

"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.
>
>

Re: ABS brakes
 

I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works when
the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be, why
wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when
you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking helping
to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the chance
of locking the wheels.

"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.
>
>

Re: ABS brakes
 

I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works when
the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be, why
wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when
you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking helping
to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the chance
of locking the wheels.

"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.
>
>

Re: ABS brakes
 

Jim Hernandez wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.

---------

Jim,

I agree with you, if it's any consolation.

The ABS only cares about the speed that the wheels are turning. Id
doesn't care if the engine is doing the pushing, or some of the
braking.... But if your foot is touching the brake pedal, the wheels
better all be spinning at the same speed or the ABS will start
activating.

'Curly'
-----------------

Re: ABS brakes
 

Jim Hernandez wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.

---------

Jim,

I agree with you, if it's any consolation.

The ABS only cares about the speed that the wheels are turning. Id
doesn't care if the engine is doing the pushing, or some of the
braking.... But if your foot is touching the brake pedal, the wheels
better all be spinning at the same speed or the ABS will start
activating.

'Curly'
-----------------

Re: ABS brakes
 

Jim Hernandez wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.

---------

Jim,

I agree with you, if it's any consolation.

The ABS only cares about the speed that the wheels are turning. Id
doesn't care if the engine is doing the pushing, or some of the
braking.... But if your foot is touching the brake pedal, the wheels
better all be spinning at the same speed or the ABS will start
activating.

'Curly'
-----------------

Re: ABS brakes
 

Jim Hernandez wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.

---------

Jim,

I agree with you, if it's any consolation.

The ABS only cares about the speed that the wheels are turning. Id
doesn't care if the engine is doing the pushing, or some of the
braking.... But if your foot is touching the brake pedal, the wheels
better all be spinning at the same speed or the ABS will start
activating.

'Curly'
-----------------

Re: ABS brakes
 

Does ABS work in Reverse?


"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.
>
>

Re: ABS brakes
 

Does ABS work in Reverse?


"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.
>
>

Re: ABS brakes
 

Does ABS work in Reverse?


"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.
>
>

Re: ABS brakes
 

Does ABS work in Reverse?


"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.
>
>

Re: ABS brakes
 

Only over 35 MPH. bob

JD wrote:
>
> Does ABS work in Reverse?
>
> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes
> > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> > something.
> >
> >

Re: ABS brakes
 

Only over 35 MPH. bob

JD wrote:
>
> Does ABS work in Reverse?
>
> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes
> > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> > something.
> >
> >

Re: ABS brakes
 

Only over 35 MPH. bob

JD wrote:
>
> Does ABS work in Reverse?
>
> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes
> > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> > something.
> >
> >

Re: ABS brakes
 

Only over 35 MPH. bob

JD wrote:
>
> Does ABS work in Reverse?
>
> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes
> > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> > something.
> >
> >

Re: ABS brakes
 

In article <brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net>, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.

I agree with the intelligent poster that told you that the ABS system
works if the clutch is engaged and also works when the clutch is NOT
engaged. In other words, there is NO interaction between the clutch and
ABS system.

Re: ABS brakes
 

In article <brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net>, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.

I agree with the intelligent poster that told you that the ABS system
works if the clutch is engaged and also works when the clutch is NOT
engaged. In other words, there is NO interaction between the clutch and
ABS system.

Re: ABS brakes
 

In article <brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net>, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.

I agree with the intelligent poster that told you that the ABS system
works if the clutch is engaged and also works when the clutch is NOT
engaged. In other words, there is NO interaction between the clutch and
ABS system.

Re: ABS brakes
 

In article <brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net>, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at
> all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He believes
> that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and
> clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit
> to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> something.

I agree with the intelligent poster that told you that the ABS system
works if the clutch is engaged and also works when the clutch is NOT
engaged. In other words, there is NO interaction between the clutch and
ABS system.

Re: ABS brakes
 

"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net:

> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
> at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel
> that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers
> are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am
> working on a lawsuit or something.
>
>

The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged,
engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less
braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a
little, which may make you think ABS less effective.

Re: ABS brakes
 

"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net:

> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
> at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel
> that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers
> are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am
> working on a lawsuit or something.
>
>

The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged,
engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less
braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a
little, which may make you think ABS less effective.

Re: ABS brakes
 

"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net:

> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
> at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel
> that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers
> are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am
> working on a lawsuit or something.
>
>

The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged,
engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less
braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a
little, which may make you think ABS less effective.

Re: ABS brakes
 

"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net:

> Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
> at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel
> that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers
> are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am
> working on a lawsuit or something.
>
>

The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged,
engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less
braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a
little, which may make you think ABS less effective.

Re: ABS brakes
 

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> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net:
>
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
> > at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> > believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel
> > that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers
> > are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am
> > working on a lawsuit or something.
> >
> >
>
> The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged,
> engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less
> braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a
> little, which may make you think ABS less effective.

While that doesn't seem like a bad answer, I believe an engine at idle is
still providing enough vacuum to allow the booster to operate sufficiently.
They only thing I can come up with is that by keeping the engine engaged,
you might have better chance of getting the ABS working from a four wheel
slide. Basically all I know is that a four wheel slide defeats the ABS
system since the speed sensor (I am assuming) would be sending the same kind
of signal as if one were at a complete stop. But who knows? I guess I'll
drop a lint to Pat Goss or The Tappet Brothers.



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"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote in message
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> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net:
>
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
> > at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> > believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel
> > that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers
> > are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am
> > working on a lawsuit or something.
> >
> >
>
> The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged,
> engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less
> braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a
> little, which may make you think ABS less effective.

While that doesn't seem like a bad answer, I believe an engine at idle is
still providing enough vacuum to allow the booster to operate sufficiently.
They only thing I can come up with is that by keeping the engine engaged,
you might have better chance of getting the ABS working from a four wheel
slide. Basically all I know is that a four wheel slide defeats the ABS
system since the speed sensor (I am assuming) would be sending the same kind
of signal as if one were at a complete stop. But who knows? I guess I'll
drop a lint to Pat Goss or The Tappet Brothers.



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"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote in message
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> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net:
>
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
> > at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> > believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel
> > that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers
> > are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am
> > working on a lawsuit or something.
> >
> >
>
> The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged,
> engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less
> braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a
> little, which may make you think ABS less effective.

While that doesn't seem like a bad answer, I believe an engine at idle is
still providing enough vacuum to allow the booster to operate sufficiently.
They only thing I can come up with is that by keeping the engine engaged,
you might have better chance of getting the ABS working from a four wheel
slide. Basically all I know is that a four wheel slide defeats the ABS
system since the speed sensor (I am assuming) would be sending the same kind
of signal as if one were at a complete stop. But who knows? I guess I'll
drop a lint to Pat Goss or The Tappet Brothers.



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"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote in message
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> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net:
>
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
> > at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> > believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel
> > that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers
> > are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am
> > working on a lawsuit or something.
> >
> >
>
> The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged,
> engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less
> braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a
> little, which may make you think ABS less effective.

While that doesn't seem like a bad answer, I believe an engine at idle is
still providing enough vacuum to allow the booster to operate sufficiently.
They only thing I can come up with is that by keeping the engine engaged,
you might have better chance of getting the ABS working from a four wheel
slide. Basically all I know is that a four wheel slide defeats the ABS
system since the speed sensor (I am assuming) would be sending the same kind
of signal as if one were at a complete stop. But who knows? I guess I'll
drop a lint to Pat Goss or The Tappet Brothers.



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Well, the issue was that he was told this by the dealer a few years back. To
further complicate things he had a little fender bender on ice and would
rather believe that this clutch issue was the cause rather than simply going
to fast on ice.

When he told about what the dealer said, I found some ice in an empty
parking lot and tested it. ABS worked as expected. Someone suggested testing
it in reverse.. Curiosity abounds, heh. Not my car anyway...

"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
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> I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works when
> the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be,
why
> wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when
> you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking
helping
> to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the chance
> of locking the wheels.
>
> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
at
> > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes
> > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS
and
> > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too
chickenshit
> > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> > something.
> >
> >
>
>



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Well, the issue was that he was told this by the dealer a few years back. To
further complicate things he had a little fender bender on ice and would
rather believe that this clutch issue was the cause rather than simply going
to fast on ice.

When he told about what the dealer said, I found some ice in an empty
parking lot and tested it. ABS worked as expected. Someone suggested testing
it in reverse.. Curiosity abounds, heh. Not my car anyway...

"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
news:0B8Eb.14383$IF6.641726@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works when
> the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be,
why
> wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when
> you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking
helping
> to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the chance
> of locking the wheels.
>
> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
at
> > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes
> > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS
and
> > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too
chickenshit
> > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> > something.
> >
> >
>
>



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Well, the issue was that he was told this by the dealer a few years back. To
further complicate things he had a little fender bender on ice and would
rather believe that this clutch issue was the cause rather than simply going
to fast on ice.

When he told about what the dealer said, I found some ice in an empty
parking lot and tested it. ABS worked as expected. Someone suggested testing
it in reverse.. Curiosity abounds, heh. Not my car anyway...

"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
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> I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works when
> the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be,
why
> wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when
> you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking
helping
> to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the chance
> of locking the wheels.
>
> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
at
> > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes
> > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS
and
> > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too
chickenshit
> > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> > something.
> >
> >
>
>



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Well, the issue was that he was told this by the dealer a few years back. To
further complicate things he had a little fender bender on ice and would
rather believe that this clutch issue was the cause rather than simply going
to fast on ice.

When he told about what the dealer said, I found some ice in an empty
parking lot and tested it. ABS worked as expected. Someone suggested testing
it in reverse.. Curiosity abounds, heh. Not my car anyway...

"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
news:0B8Eb.14383$IF6.641726@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works when
> the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be,
why
> wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when
> you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking
helping
> to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the chance
> of locking the wheels.
>
> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
at
> > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes
> > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS
and
> > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too
chickenshit
> > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> > something.
> >
> >
>
>



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Re: ABS brakes
 

"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
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> I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works when
> the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be,
why
> wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when
> you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking
helping
> to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the chance
> of locking the wheels.

TYou were doing well, until this last statement.

You "lock a wheel" when the retardation force acting to reduce rotation is
greater than the static friction interaction between the tyre and the road.
In other words, it doesn't matter if the braking force is concentrated
entirely at the brakes, or in combonation with engine braking, the same
amount of "total braking effort" at that wheel will casuse the wheel to
lock. Doesn't matter where in the transmission/brakeing system the braking
force is, as it all comes together at the tyre/road interface, and THAT is
where it counts. how can the tyre tell if the braking force comes from the
rotor, or the engine? Bit of common sense there please.

>
> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
at
> > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes
> > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS
and
> > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too
chickenshit
> > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> > something.
> >
> >
>
>

Re: ABS brakes
 

"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
news:0B8Eb.14383$IF6.641726@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works when
> the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be,
why
> wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when
> you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking
helping
> to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the chance
> of locking the wheels.

TYou were doing well, until this last statement.

You "lock a wheel" when the retardation force acting to reduce rotation is
greater than the static friction interaction between the tyre and the road.
In other words, it doesn't matter if the braking force is concentrated
entirely at the brakes, or in combonation with engine braking, the same
amount of "total braking effort" at that wheel will casuse the wheel to
lock. Doesn't matter where in the transmission/brakeing system the braking
force is, as it all comes together at the tyre/road interface, and THAT is
where it counts. how can the tyre tell if the braking force comes from the
rotor, or the engine? Bit of common sense there please.

>
> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
at
> > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes
> > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS
and
> > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too
chickenshit
> > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> > something.
> >
> >
>
>

Re: ABS brakes
 

"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
news:0B8Eb.14383$IF6.641726@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works when
> the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be,
why
> wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when
> you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking
helping
> to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the chance
> of locking the wheels.

TYou were doing well, until this last statement.

You "lock a wheel" when the retardation force acting to reduce rotation is
greater than the static friction interaction between the tyre and the road.
In other words, it doesn't matter if the braking force is concentrated
entirely at the brakes, or in combonation with engine braking, the same
amount of "total braking effort" at that wheel will casuse the wheel to
lock. Doesn't matter where in the transmission/brakeing system the braking
force is, as it all comes together at the tyre/road interface, and THAT is
where it counts. how can the tyre tell if the braking force comes from the
rotor, or the engine? Bit of common sense there please.

>
> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
at
> > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes
> > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS
and
> > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too
chickenshit
> > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> > something.
> >
> >
>
>

Re: ABS brakes
 

"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
news:0B8Eb.14383$IF6.641726@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works when
> the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be,
why
> wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when
> you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking
helping
> to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the chance
> of locking the wheels.

TYou were doing well, until this last statement.

You "lock a wheel" when the retardation force acting to reduce rotation is
greater than the static friction interaction between the tyre and the road.
In other words, it doesn't matter if the braking force is concentrated
entirely at the brakes, or in combonation with engine braking, the same
amount of "total braking effort" at that wheel will casuse the wheel to
lock. Doesn't matter where in the transmission/brakeing system the braking
force is, as it all comes together at the tyre/road interface, and THAT is
where it counts. how can the tyre tell if the braking force comes from the
rotor, or the engine? Bit of common sense there please.

>
> "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
at
> > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> believes
> > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS
and
> > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too
chickenshit
> > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> > something.
> >
> >
>
>

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"Misti Norton" <mdawn@flobble-lobble.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> news:0B8Eb.14383$IF6.641726@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works
when
> > the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be,
> why
> > wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when
> > you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking
> helping
> > to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the
chance
> > of locking the wheels.
>
> TYou were doing well, until this last statement.
>
> You "lock a wheel" when the retardation force acting to reduce rotation is
> greater than the static friction interaction between the tyre and the
road.
> In other words, it doesn't matter if the braking force is concentrated
> entirely at the brakes, or in combonation with engine braking, the same
> amount of "total braking effort" at that wheel will casuse the wheel to
> lock. Doesn't matter where in the transmission/brakeing system the braking
> force is, as it all comes together at the tyre/road interface, and THAT is
> where it counts. how can the tyre tell if the braking force comes from the
> rotor, or the engine? Bit of common sense there please.

Granted the road nor the tire (tyre) care when dynamic pull overcomes static
friction, the case is still there of how the ABS manages this breaking
situation. That was my arguement in the first place. However I will add that
if engine braking results in a slide requiring ABS-like properties, KYAGB
(Kiss You Ass Good Bye) since you are going where ever inertia is going to
take you.

To me the difference between clutch engaged and not engaged is this, when
breaking there is a slight input from the engine to contribute in the
"directed" direction. Without the clutch engaged, the engine means weight
only and you are using ABS on a Red Rider Wagon. The difference being that
with the clutch engaged the engine is giving it's input, you have a
direction to tell to the ABS system (ie - that of the direction of the
tires). While engaged, the system will think it's at a stop light while you
might be spinning like a top.

> > "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> > > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
> at
> > > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> > believes
> > > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS
> and
> > > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too
> chickenshit
> > > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> > > something.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>



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"Misti Norton" <mdawn@flobble-lobble.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> news:0B8Eb.14383$IF6.641726@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works
when
> > the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be,
> why
> > wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when
> > you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking
> helping
> > to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the
chance
> > of locking the wheels.
>
> TYou were doing well, until this last statement.
>
> You "lock a wheel" when the retardation force acting to reduce rotation is
> greater than the static friction interaction between the tyre and the
road.
> In other words, it doesn't matter if the braking force is concentrated
> entirely at the brakes, or in combonation with engine braking, the same
> amount of "total braking effort" at that wheel will casuse the wheel to
> lock. Doesn't matter where in the transmission/brakeing system the braking
> force is, as it all comes together at the tyre/road interface, and THAT is
> where it counts. how can the tyre tell if the braking force comes from the
> rotor, or the engine? Bit of common sense there please.

Granted the road nor the tire (tyre) care when dynamic pull overcomes static
friction, the case is still there of how the ABS manages this breaking
situation. That was my arguement in the first place. However I will add that
if engine braking results in a slide requiring ABS-like properties, KYAGB
(Kiss You Ass Good Bye) since you are going where ever inertia is going to
take you.

To me the difference between clutch engaged and not engaged is this, when
breaking there is a slight input from the engine to contribute in the
"directed" direction. Without the clutch engaged, the engine means weight
only and you are using ABS on a Red Rider Wagon. The difference being that
with the clutch engaged the engine is giving it's input, you have a
direction to tell to the ABS system (ie - that of the direction of the
tires). While engaged, the system will think it's at a stop light while you
might be spinning like a top.

> > "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> > > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
> at
> > > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> > believes
> > > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS
> and
> > > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too
> chickenshit
> > > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> > > something.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>



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"Misti Norton" <mdawn@flobble-lobble.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> news:0B8Eb.14383$IF6.641726@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works
when
> > the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be,
> why
> > wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when
> > you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking
> helping
> > to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the
chance
> > of locking the wheels.
>
> TYou were doing well, until this last statement.
>
> You "lock a wheel" when the retardation force acting to reduce rotation is
> greater than the static friction interaction between the tyre and the
road.
> In other words, it doesn't matter if the braking force is concentrated
> entirely at the brakes, or in combonation with engine braking, the same
> amount of "total braking effort" at that wheel will casuse the wheel to
> lock. Doesn't matter where in the transmission/brakeing system the braking
> force is, as it all comes together at the tyre/road interface, and THAT is
> where it counts. how can the tyre tell if the braking force comes from the
> rotor, or the engine? Bit of common sense there please.

Granted the road nor the tire (tyre) care when dynamic pull overcomes static
friction, the case is still there of how the ABS manages this breaking
situation. That was my arguement in the first place. However I will add that
if engine braking results in a slide requiring ABS-like properties, KYAGB
(Kiss You Ass Good Bye) since you are going where ever inertia is going to
take you.

To me the difference between clutch engaged and not engaged is this, when
breaking there is a slight input from the engine to contribute in the
"directed" direction. Without the clutch engaged, the engine means weight
only and you are using ABS on a Red Rider Wagon. The difference being that
with the clutch engaged the engine is giving it's input, you have a
direction to tell to the ABS system (ie - that of the direction of the
tires). While engaged, the system will think it's at a stop light while you
might be spinning like a top.

> > "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net...
> > > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction
> at
> > > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He
> > believes
> > > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS
> and
> > > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too
> chickenshit
> > > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or
> > > something.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>



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