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Re: ABS brakes
Only over 35 MPH. bob
JD wrote: > > Does ABS work in Reverse? > > "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net... > > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at > > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He > believes > > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and > > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit > > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or > > something. > > > > |
Re: ABS brakes
Only over 35 MPH. bob
JD wrote: > > Does ABS work in Reverse? > > "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net... > > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at > > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He > believes > > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and > > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit > > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or > > something. > > > > |
Re: ABS brakes
In article <brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net>, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote: > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He believes > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or > something. I agree with the intelligent poster that told you that the ABS system works if the clutch is engaged and also works when the clutch is NOT engaged. In other words, there is NO interaction between the clutch and ABS system. |
Re: ABS brakes
In article <brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net>, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote: > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He believes > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or > something. I agree with the intelligent poster that told you that the ABS system works if the clutch is engaged and also works when the clutch is NOT engaged. In other words, there is NO interaction between the clutch and ABS system. |
Re: ABS brakes
In article <brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net>, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote: > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He believes > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or > something. I agree with the intelligent poster that told you that the ABS system works if the clutch is engaged and also works when the clutch is NOT engaged. In other words, there is NO interaction between the clutch and ABS system. |
Re: ABS brakes
In article <brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net>, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote: > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He believes > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or > something. I agree with the intelligent poster that told you that the ABS system works if the clutch is engaged and also works when the clutch is NOT engaged. In other words, there is NO interaction between the clutch and ABS system. |
Re: ABS brakes
"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net: > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction > at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He > believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel > that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers > are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am > working on a lawsuit or something. > > The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged, engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a little, which may make you think ABS less effective. |
Re: ABS brakes
"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net: > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction > at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He > believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel > that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers > are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am > working on a lawsuit or something. > > The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged, engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a little, which may make you think ABS less effective. |
Re: ABS brakes
"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net: > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction > at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He > believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel > that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers > are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am > working on a lawsuit or something. > > The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged, engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a little, which may make you think ABS less effective. |
Re: ABS brakes
"Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net: > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction > at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He > believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel > that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers > are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am > working on a lawsuit or something. > > The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged, engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a little, which may make you think ABS less effective. |
Re: ABS brakes
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"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote in message news:Xns9455E6218105AMyMessagesRock@151.164.30.42. .. > "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in > news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net: > > > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction > > at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He > > believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel > > that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers > > are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am > > working on a lawsuit or something. > > > > > > The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged, > engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less > braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a > little, which may make you think ABS less effective. While that doesn't seem like a bad answer, I believe an engine at idle is still providing enough vacuum to allow the booster to operate sufficiently. They only thing I can come up with is that by keeping the engine engaged, you might have better chance of getting the ABS working from a four wheel slide. Basically all I know is that a four wheel slide defeats the ABS system since the speed sensor (I am assuming) would be sending the same kind of signal as if one were at a complete stop. But who knows? I guess I'll drop a lint to Pat Goss or The Tappet Brothers. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** http://www.usenet.com Unlimited Download - 19 Seperate Servers - 90,000 groups - Uncensored -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
Re: ABS brakes
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"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote in message news:Xns9455E6218105AMyMessagesRock@151.164.30.42. .. > "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in > news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net: > > > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction > > at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He > > believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel > > that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers > > are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am > > working on a lawsuit or something. > > > > > > The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged, > engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less > braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a > little, which may make you think ABS less effective. While that doesn't seem like a bad answer, I believe an engine at idle is still providing enough vacuum to allow the booster to operate sufficiently. They only thing I can come up with is that by keeping the engine engaged, you might have better chance of getting the ABS working from a four wheel slide. Basically all I know is that a four wheel slide defeats the ABS system since the speed sensor (I am assuming) would be sending the same kind of signal as if one were at a complete stop. But who knows? I guess I'll drop a lint to Pat Goss or The Tappet Brothers. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** http://www.usenet.com Unlimited Download - 19 Seperate Servers - 90,000 groups - Uncensored -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
Re: ABS brakes
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"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote in message news:Xns9455E6218105AMyMessagesRock@151.164.30.42. .. > "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in > news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net: > > > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction > > at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He > > believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel > > that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers > > are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am > > working on a lawsuit or something. > > > > > > The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged, > engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less > braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a > little, which may make you think ABS less effective. While that doesn't seem like a bad answer, I believe an engine at idle is still providing enough vacuum to allow the booster to operate sufficiently. They only thing I can come up with is that by keeping the engine engaged, you might have better chance of getting the ABS working from a four wheel slide. Basically all I know is that a four wheel slide defeats the ABS system since the speed sensor (I am assuming) would be sending the same kind of signal as if one were at a complete stop. But who knows? I guess I'll drop a lint to Pat Goss or The Tappet Brothers. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** http://www.usenet.com Unlimited Download - 19 Seperate Servers - 90,000 groups - Uncensored -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
Re: ABS brakes
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"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote in message news:Xns9455E6218105AMyMessagesRock@151.164.30.42. .. > "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in > news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net: > > > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction > > at all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He > > believes that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel > > that ABS and clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers > > are too chickenshit to give me an answer. They probably feel I am > > working on a lawsuit or something. > > > > > > The only difference I can think of is that when the clutch is engaged, > engine RPM drops and there is less vacuum to the brakes, therefore less > braking force. Normally this is not noticable but the brake pedal drops a > little, which may make you think ABS less effective. While that doesn't seem like a bad answer, I believe an engine at idle is still providing enough vacuum to allow the booster to operate sufficiently. They only thing I can come up with is that by keeping the engine engaged, you might have better chance of getting the ABS working from a four wheel slide. Basically all I know is that a four wheel slide defeats the ABS system since the speed sensor (I am assuming) would be sending the same kind of signal as if one were at a complete stop. But who knows? I guess I'll drop a lint to Pat Goss or The Tappet Brothers. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** http://www.usenet.com Unlimited Download - 19 Seperate Servers - 90,000 groups - Uncensored -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
Re: ABS brakes
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Well, the issue was that he was told this by the dealer a few years back. To further complicate things he had a little fender bender on ice and would rather believe that this clutch issue was the cause rather than simply going to fast on ice. When he told about what the dealer said, I found some ice in an empty parking lot and tested it. ABS worked as expected. Someone suggested testing it in reverse.. Curiosity abounds, heh. Not my car anyway... "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message news:0B8Eb.14383$IF6.641726@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > I have a 2003 Accord 5-speed and I can assure you that the ABS works when > the clutch is fully engaged. The big question for you friend would be, why > wouldn't ABS work when the clutch is engaged? If anything, this is when > you'd need ABS the most since you no longer have any engine braking helping > to slow you down so the breaks have to do more work, increasing the chance > of locking the wheels. > > "Jim Hernandez" <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:brq4l8$1mgm$1@news.wplus.net... > > Does anyone know if the ABS brakes and the clutch have any interaction at > > all. Me and my friend have a long standing argument about this. He > believes > > that if the clutch is engaged, the ABS does not work. I feel that ABS and > > clutch have no designed interactivity. Honda engineers are too chickenshit > > to give me an answer. They probably feel I am working on a lawsuit or > > something. > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** http://www.usenet.com Unlimited Download - 19 Seperate Servers - 90,000 groups - Uncensored -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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