John

Hi,

I am the guy, you may recall, who had the 1999 Honda Accord V6
with a failed transmission at 15,000 miles. Well, the saga continues.

Honda of America did pay for the transmission and half the labor.
We ended up paying only $482 out of an original almost $4,000
estimate.

First day we have the car back the ignition key locks up and
cannot be removed from the ignition. Back to the dealer, only
to find out they did not adjust the linkage correctly.

A few days later we see red transmission fluid dripping all over
the garage floor. Back to the dealer, only to find out they did
not tighten two bolts.

Now we are wonder what will be the next problem?

It makes you wonder if the dealerships ever heard of Quality Control?
Are they under that much pressure to speed through their work and
not carefully check their repairs? Do they road test cars, after
repairs?

The dealer is Ed Voyles Honda in Marietta, Georgia. Originally, I
was not going to post the dealer's name but now it is a case of
people needing to know what is going on.

Maybe Ford does have a Better Idea?


John

Dave Kelsen

On 4/14/2004 12:27 PM John spake these words of knowledge:


> Hi,
>
> I am the guy, you may recall, who had the 1999 Honda Accord V6
> with a failed transmission at 15,000 miles. Well, the saga continues.
>
> Honda of America did pay for the transmission and half the labor.
> We ended up paying only $482 out of an original almost $4,000
> estimate.
>
> First day we have the car back the ignition key locks up and
> cannot be removed from the ignition. Back to the dealer, only
> to find out they did not adjust the linkage correctly.
>
> A few days later we see red transmission fluid dripping all over
> the garage floor. Back to the dealer, only to find out they did
> not tighten two bolts.
>
> Now we are wonder what will be the next problem?
>
> It makes you wonder if the dealerships ever heard of Quality Control?
> Are they under that much pressure to speed through their work and
> not carefully check their repairs? Do they road test cars, after
> repairs?
>
> The dealer is Ed Voyles Honda in Marietta, Georgia. Originally, I
> was not going to post the dealer's name but now it is a case of
> people needing to know what is going on.
>
> Maybe Ford does have a Better Idea?


In this case, they certainly do: don't hire the guys that Ed Voyles hired...

--
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
Sometimes I really wish I knew what an ignoramus is.

R.M.

Dave,

You are not alone with your Honda transmission woes. Check this out.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...a-recall_x.htm

"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@elmore.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2Qefc.425638$B81.7093086@twister.tampabay.rr. com...
> On 4/14/2004 12:27 PM John spake these words of knowledge:
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am the guy, you may recall, who had the 1999 Honda Accord V6
> > with a failed transmission at 15,000 miles. Well, the saga continues.
> >
> > Honda of America did pay for the transmission and half the labor.
> > We ended up paying only $482 out of an original almost $4,000
> > estimate.
> >
> > First day we have the car back the ignition key locks up and
> > cannot be removed from the ignition. Back to the dealer, only
> > to find out they did not adjust the linkage correctly.
> >
> > A few days later we see red transmission fluid dripping all over
> > the garage floor. Back to the dealer, only to find out they did
> > not tighten two bolts.
> >
> > Now we are wonder what will be the next problem?
> >
> > It makes you wonder if the dealerships ever heard of Quality Control?
> > Are they under that much pressure to speed through their work and
> > not carefully check their repairs? Do they road test cars, after
> > repairs?
> >
> > The dealer is Ed Voyles Honda in Marietta, Georgia. Originally, I
> > was not going to post the dealer's name but now it is a case of
> > people needing to know what is going on.
> >
> > Maybe Ford does have a Better Idea?
>
>
> In this case, they certainly do: don't hire the guys that Ed Voyles
hired...
>
> --
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
> Sometimes I really wish I knew what an ignoramus is.

Condor

I am 99% sure the dudes that work on
your vehicle are paid by the job, as a percentage
of the bill, not by the hour. Thus, the more jobs
they rush through,the more money they make.
This is what a guy I met that worked at a dealership
told me.
"John" <john@johnsanonser.net> wrote in message
news:c5js9c$v29$0@pita.alt.net...
>
> Hi,
>
> I am the guy, you may recall, who had the 1999 Honda Accord V6
> with a failed transmission at 15,000 miles. Well, the saga continues.
>
> Honda of America did pay for the transmission and half the labor.
> We ended up paying only $482 out of an original almost $4,000
> estimate.
>
> First day we have the car back the ignition key locks up and
> cannot be removed from the ignition. Back to the dealer, only
> to find out they did not adjust the linkage correctly.
>
> A few days later we see red transmission fluid dripping all over
> the garage floor. Back to the dealer, only to find out they did
> not tighten two bolts.
>
> Now we are wonder what will be the next problem?
>
> It makes you wonder if the dealerships ever heard of Quality Control?
> Are they under that much pressure to speed through their work and
> not carefully check their repairs? Do they road test cars, after
> repairs?
>
> The dealer is Ed Voyles Honda in Marietta, Georgia. Originally, I
> was not going to post the dealer's name but now it is a case of
> people needing to know what is going on.
>
> Maybe Ford does have a Better Idea?
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>

JXStern

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:33:55 -0400, "R.M." <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>You are not alone with your Honda transmission woes. Check this out.
>http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...a-recall_x.htm

High-mileage vans and SUVs, including some current.

I presume that's a different unit than used in current Accords.

J.

Scott Van Nest

I was told by the local sales geek that the issues were fixed in the '03
model. Looks like I am rethinking this purchase.

Scott
"R.M." <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:2Nkfc.347$wX6.10282@eagle.america.net...
> Dave,
>
> You are not alone with your Honda transmission woes. Check this out.
> http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...a-recall_x.htm
>
> "Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@elmore.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:2Qefc.425638$B81.7093086@twister.tampabay.rr. com...
> > On 4/14/2004 12:27 PM John spake these words of knowledge:
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am the guy, you may recall, who had the 1999 Honda Accord V6
> > > with a failed transmission at 15,000 miles. Well, the saga
continues.
> > >
> > > Honda of America did pay for the transmission and half the labor.
> > > We ended up paying only $482 out of an original almost $4,000
> > > estimate.
> > >
> > > First day we have the car back the ignition key locks up and
> > > cannot be removed from the ignition. Back to the dealer, only
> > > to find out they did not adjust the linkage correctly.
> > >
> > > A few days later we see red transmission fluid dripping all over
> > > the garage floor. Back to the dealer, only to find out they did
> > > not tighten two bolts.
> > >
> > > Now we are wonder what will be the next problem?
> > >
> > > It makes you wonder if the dealerships ever heard of Quality Control?
> > > Are they under that much pressure to speed through their work and
> > > not carefully check their repairs? Do they road test cars, after
> > > repairs?
> > >
> > > The dealer is Ed Voyles Honda in Marietta, Georgia. Originally, I
> > > was not going to post the dealer's name but now it is a case of
> > > people needing to know what is going on.
> > >
> > > Maybe Ford does have a Better Idea?
> >
> >
> > In this case, they certainly do: don't hire the guys that Ed Voyles
> hired...
> >
> > --
> > RFT!!!
> > Dave Kelsen
> > Sometimes I really wish I knew what an ignoramus is.
>
>

N.E.Ohio Bob

We should really have an in depth discussion of the 'flat rate' pay
system that most all mechanics use.
Back in my days, ('73-'85) the mechanics were expected to turn a
minimum of 10.5 hours in an eight hour day. Those that didn't weren't
around long. ole bob

Condor wrote:
>
> I am 99% sure the dudes that work on
> your vehicle are paid by the job, as a percentage
> of the bill, not by the hour. Thus, the more jobs
> they rush through,the more money they make.
> This is what a guy I met that worked at a dealership
> told me.
> "John" <john@johnsanonser.net> wrote in message
> news:c5js9c$v29$0@pita.alt.net...
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am the guy, you may recall, who had the 1999 Honda Accord V6
> > with a failed transmission at 15,000 miles. Well, the saga continues.
> >
> > Honda of America did pay for the transmission and half the labor.
> > We ended up paying only $482 out of an original almost $4,000
> > estimate.
> >
> > First day we have the car back the ignition key locks up and
> > cannot be removed from the ignition. Back to the dealer, only
> > to find out they did not adjust the linkage correctly.
> >
> > A few days later we see red transmission fluid dripping all over
> > the garage floor. Back to the dealer, only to find out they did
> > not tighten two bolts.
> >
> > Now we are wonder what will be the next problem?
> >
> > It makes you wonder if the dealerships ever heard of Quality Control?
> > Are they under that much pressure to speed through their work and
> > not carefully check their repairs? Do they road test cars, after
> > repairs?
> >
> > The dealer is Ed Voyles Honda in Marietta, Georgia. Originally, I
> > was not going to post the dealer's name but now it is a case of
> > people needing to know what is going on.
> >
> > Maybe Ford does have a Better Idea?
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

JXStern

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:31:25 GMT, "N.E.Ohio Bob" <rgstroud@neo.rr.com>
wrote:
> We should really have an in depth discussion of the 'flat rate' pay
>system that most all mechanics use.
> Back in my days, ('73-'85) the mechanics were expected to turn a
>minimum of 10.5 hours in an eight hour day. Those that didn't weren't
>around long. ole bob

Sounds like the way attorneys work.

J.