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Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
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Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:24:05 GMT, Dave Kelsen
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On 12/8/2004 8:40 AM Ron spake these words of knowledge: > >> On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:41:28 GMT, Dave Kelsen >> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>>On 12/7/2004 8:58 PM Ron spake these words of knowledge: >>> >>>> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 23:21:28 GMT, "Net-Doctor" >>>> <bgreene1@columbus.rr.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On the other hand Ron, I have to admit to being guilty as well. I have >>>>>held off buying a new mower, partly because I couldn't stand it if the motor >>>>>died everytime I let go of that stupid handle thing. In my mind, THAT would >>>>>be annoying. I think I would probably wrap it with a cable tie on day one. >>>> >>>> ...as many users do. Personally, I prefer the blade to stop, so >>>> bought a Honda mower with a blade clutch. Rather than cut the >>>> engine, it disengages the blade. Offers better safety, too, since >>>> the blade stops in about 1 Second, vs. 2 or 3 Seconds for the type >>>> that cuts the engine. >>>> >>>> Of course, this has nothing to do with the Honda (car, not mower) >>>> seat belt switch. I am not seeking to disable the belt, just to stop >>>> the annoying beep. The beeping 'feature' has NOTHING to do with >>>> safety. If anything, it reduces safety, by irritating the driver. >>>> >>>> Havr a nice day, >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>> >>>That's simply disingenuous. If you're using the seatbelt properly >>>(which certainly does have something to do with safety), there *is* no >>>beeping feature. >> >> But when I am not, there *is* a beep, that adds nothing to safety >> and, if fact, may detract from it. >> >> Suppose that, if you did not use the belt, a club would come out and >> hit you on the head, once every 30 seconds. Would *that* be a >> 'safety feature? >> >> The seat belt is a safety feature. The beep is not. >> >> -- Ron > >The lamp that comes on when your oil pressure is low has nothing to do >with your engine running properly. Oil pressure is required. The lamp >is not. > >The flashing dash lights that tell you when your turn signals are on >have nothing to do with the complying with law. The turn signals are >legally required. The inside indicators are not. > >The ... I could go on, but the fact is that you're wrong, in every >meaningful way. You are correct in only a narrow semantic interpretation. > >But of course, I recognize your right to be wrong. I recognize your >right to not use seatbelts. As a motorcyclist for just over 30 years >now, I recognize an individual's right to abstain from wearing a helmet. > >It's just stupid; people have a right to be stupid. That's how we get >competitors for the Darwin awards... > > >RFT!!! >Dave Kelsen LOL... You fail to comrehend an argument, then provide a a series of non-sequitur examples to prove it... You characterize anyone that disagrees with you as wrong, then call them stupid... Smart, Dave. Very smant. |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:24:05 GMT, Dave Kelsen
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On 12/8/2004 8:40 AM Ron spake these words of knowledge: > >> On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:41:28 GMT, Dave Kelsen >> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>>On 12/7/2004 8:58 PM Ron spake these words of knowledge: >>> >>>> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 23:21:28 GMT, "Net-Doctor" >>>> <bgreene1@columbus.rr.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On the other hand Ron, I have to admit to being guilty as well. I have >>>>>held off buying a new mower, partly because I couldn't stand it if the motor >>>>>died everytime I let go of that stupid handle thing. In my mind, THAT would >>>>>be annoying. I think I would probably wrap it with a cable tie on day one. >>>> >>>> ...as many users do. Personally, I prefer the blade to stop, so >>>> bought a Honda mower with a blade clutch. Rather than cut the >>>> engine, it disengages the blade. Offers better safety, too, since >>>> the blade stops in about 1 Second, vs. 2 or 3 Seconds for the type >>>> that cuts the engine. >>>> >>>> Of course, this has nothing to do with the Honda (car, not mower) >>>> seat belt switch. I am not seeking to disable the belt, just to stop >>>> the annoying beep. The beeping 'feature' has NOTHING to do with >>>> safety. If anything, it reduces safety, by irritating the driver. >>>> >>>> Havr a nice day, >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>> >>>That's simply disingenuous. If you're using the seatbelt properly >>>(which certainly does have something to do with safety), there *is* no >>>beeping feature. >> >> But when I am not, there *is* a beep, that adds nothing to safety >> and, if fact, may detract from it. >> >> Suppose that, if you did not use the belt, a club would come out and >> hit you on the head, once every 30 seconds. Would *that* be a >> 'safety feature? >> >> The seat belt is a safety feature. The beep is not. >> >> -- Ron > >The lamp that comes on when your oil pressure is low has nothing to do >with your engine running properly. Oil pressure is required. The lamp >is not. > >The flashing dash lights that tell you when your turn signals are on >have nothing to do with the complying with law. The turn signals are >legally required. The inside indicators are not. > >The ... I could go on, but the fact is that you're wrong, in every >meaningful way. You are correct in only a narrow semantic interpretation. > >But of course, I recognize your right to be wrong. I recognize your >right to not use seatbelts. As a motorcyclist for just over 30 years >now, I recognize an individual's right to abstain from wearing a helmet. > >It's just stupid; people have a right to be stupid. That's how we get >competitors for the Darwin awards... > > >RFT!!! >Dave Kelsen LOL... You fail to comrehend an argument, then provide a a series of non-sequitur examples to prove it... You characterize anyone that disagrees with you as wrong, then call them stupid... Smart, Dave. Very smant. |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:18:44 -0500, "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back>
wrote: >Ron, I found that video if you want to watch it... > >http://members.rogers.com/5555/seatbelt.wmv > Thanks. This shows a driver hurled into the passenger seat, then the back seat, followingt a very high speed collission. In that particular situation, a seat belt would have been beneficial. This does does not apply when driving forward, at very low speed, frequently stopping and getting out of the car. -- Ron |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:18:44 -0500, "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back>
wrote: >Ron, I found that video if you want to watch it... > >http://members.rogers.com/5555/seatbelt.wmv > Thanks. This shows a driver hurled into the passenger seat, then the back seat, followingt a very high speed collission. In that particular situation, a seat belt would have been beneficial. This does does not apply when driving forward, at very low speed, frequently stopping and getting out of the car. -- Ron |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
"Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7j2mr0lvkoiitb7i4vk9emckbvcpjih10t@4ax.com... > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:18:44 -0500, "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> > wrote: > >>Ron, I found that video if you want to watch it... >> >>http://members.rogers.com/5555/seatbelt.wmv >> > > Thanks. > > This shows a driver hurled into the passenger seat, then the back > seat, followingt a very high speed collission. In that particular > situation, a seat belt would have been beneficial. > > This does does not apply when driving forward, at very low speed, > frequently stopping and getting out of the car. > > -- Ron > My son was injured under those exact circumstances. He was working as a night security guard and didn't buckle up when creeping from one location to another. The door didn't latch, and when he tried to close it he was pulled out and injured his knee. He was fired for violating company safety policy regarding seat belt use and he couldn't deny a belt would have held him in the vehicle. And my wife's colleague was medevac'd with a broken vertebra after sliding off the road at an estimated 20 mph. Seat belts are always beneficial at lower speeds, although occasional stop-and-creep maneuvers may require unfastening the belt to get a better view. I have to do that occasionally in my off-road driving at work, but the times I apply the parking brake and survey the unknown area on foot outnumbers those times at least 10:1. Remember, a 15 mph collision is like falling off a roof and landing face down. The last I heard (decades ago), the low speed record for a driver fatality was 7 mph in a parking lot collision. The driver ruptured his spleen when he hit the steering wheel, went home, got drowsy and died. But, do what you want. Mike |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
"Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7j2mr0lvkoiitb7i4vk9emckbvcpjih10t@4ax.com... > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:18:44 -0500, "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> > wrote: > >>Ron, I found that video if you want to watch it... >> >>http://members.rogers.com/5555/seatbelt.wmv >> > > Thanks. > > This shows a driver hurled into the passenger seat, then the back > seat, followingt a very high speed collission. In that particular > situation, a seat belt would have been beneficial. > > This does does not apply when driving forward, at very low speed, > frequently stopping and getting out of the car. > > -- Ron > My son was injured under those exact circumstances. He was working as a night security guard and didn't buckle up when creeping from one location to another. The door didn't latch, and when he tried to close it he was pulled out and injured his knee. He was fired for violating company safety policy regarding seat belt use and he couldn't deny a belt would have held him in the vehicle. And my wife's colleague was medevac'd with a broken vertebra after sliding off the road at an estimated 20 mph. Seat belts are always beneficial at lower speeds, although occasional stop-and-creep maneuvers may require unfastening the belt to get a better view. I have to do that occasionally in my off-road driving at work, but the times I apply the parking brake and survey the unknown area on foot outnumbers those times at least 10:1. Remember, a 15 mph collision is like falling off a roof and landing face down. The last I heard (decades ago), the low speed record for a driver fatality was 7 mph in a parking lot collision. The driver ruptured his spleen when he hit the steering wheel, went home, got drowsy and died. But, do what you want. Mike |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
I guess you could assume you'd be hitting someone at low speed and you want
be thrown around in the car but what if some goofball blows a stop sign doing 50mph? I played high school football years ago and can tell you being hit by a 200lb person running at about 10mph... I can only imagine what 2000lbs @ 50mph would do. Glad you at least watched the video. :) "Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:7j2mr0lvkoiitb7i4vk9emckbvcpjih10t@4ax.com... > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:18:44 -0500, "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> > wrote: > >>Ron, I found that video if you want to watch it... >> >>http://members.rogers.com/5555/seatbelt.wmv >> > > Thanks. > > This shows a driver hurled into the passenger seat, then the back > seat, followingt a very high speed collission. In that particular > situation, a seat belt would have been beneficial. > > This does does not apply when driving forward, at very low speed, > frequently stopping and getting out of the car. > > -- Ron > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
I guess you could assume you'd be hitting someone at low speed and you want
be thrown around in the car but what if some goofball blows a stop sign doing 50mph? I played high school football years ago and can tell you being hit by a 200lb person running at about 10mph... I can only imagine what 2000lbs @ 50mph would do. Glad you at least watched the video. :) "Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:7j2mr0lvkoiitb7i4vk9emckbvcpjih10t@4ax.com... > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:18:44 -0500, "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> > wrote: > >>Ron, I found that video if you want to watch it... >> >>http://members.rogers.com/5555/seatbelt.wmv >> > > Thanks. > > This shows a driver hurled into the passenger seat, then the back > seat, followingt a very high speed collission. In that particular > situation, a seat belt would have been beneficial. > > This does does not apply when driving forward, at very low speed, > frequently stopping and getting out of the car. > > -- Ron > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
Ron wrote: > This shows a driver hurled into the passenger seat, then the back > seat, followingt a very high speed collission. In that particular > situation, a seat belt would have been beneficial. > > This does does not apply when driving forward, at very low speed, > frequently stopping and getting out of the car. > > -- Ron After decades of driving and riding in cars, I can say that a seat belt has never been of any benefit to me whatsoever, regardless of speed and other circumstances. Yet I buckle up every time I get in a car and have thus far never seen any reason not to. |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
Ron wrote: > This shows a driver hurled into the passenger seat, then the back > seat, followingt a very high speed collission. In that particular > situation, a seat belt would have been beneficial. > > This does does not apply when driving forward, at very low speed, > frequently stopping and getting out of the car. > > -- Ron After decades of driving and riding in cars, I can say that a seat belt has never been of any benefit to me whatsoever, regardless of speed and other circumstances. Yet I buckle up every time I get in a car and have thus far never seen any reason not to. |
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