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Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I do not. I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest of the system. I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). Does a kind soul on this NG have the electrical schematic? If so, would you please tell me where is the connector to the driver seat belt switch physically located and whether it needs to be disconnected or shorted to fool the system into thinking the belt is already buckled? Thanks in advance, -- Ron |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
Ron,
I am sure that this annoyance could NOT be "legally" to be defeated by the dealer. It would subject the dealer to loss of insurance and a lawsuit should someone get killed for not wearing their seat belt. We all know lawyers can easily manip- ulate juries to award a verdict when there is an injured/killed "victims". Never mind that most states have seat belt laws. "It must have been the dealers fault for taking away that reminder leading to the victim not wearing their set belt. Therefore lets award the widow and family ... ". Honda (many auto makers) are now going to things like this. (i.e. let's make it annoying to not wear it.). If you defeated it yourself, it would be a different scenario. chuck Ron wrote: > My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds > every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. > While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I > do not. > > I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this > annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at > all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and > I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest > of the system. > > I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather > arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not > sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). > > Does a kind soul on this NG have the electrical schematic? If so, > would you please tell me where is the connector to the driver seat > belt switch physically located and whether it needs to be > disconnected or shorted to fool the system into thinking the belt is > already buckled? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
Ron,
I am sure that this annoyance could NOT be "legally" to be defeated by the dealer. It would subject the dealer to loss of insurance and a lawsuit should someone get killed for not wearing their seat belt. We all know lawyers can easily manip- ulate juries to award a verdict when there is an injured/killed "victims". Never mind that most states have seat belt laws. "It must have been the dealers fault for taking away that reminder leading to the victim not wearing their set belt. Therefore lets award the widow and family ... ". Honda (many auto makers) are now going to things like this. (i.e. let's make it annoying to not wear it.). If you defeated it yourself, it would be a different scenario. chuck Ron wrote: > My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds > every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. > While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I > do not. > > I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this > annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at > all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and > I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest > of the system. > > I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather > arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not > sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). > > Does a kind soul on this NG have the electrical schematic? If so, > would you please tell me where is the connector to the driver seat > belt switch physically located and whether it needs to be > disconnected or shorted to fool the system into thinking the belt is > already buckled? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:03:13 -0500, chuck smoko
<csmoko@earthlink.net> wrote: >Ron, >I am sure that this annoyance could NOT be "legally" to be >defeated by the dealer. It would subject the dealer to loss >of insurance and a lawsuit should someone get killed for not >wearing their seat belt. Obviously, the best solution is to have the reminder beep once or twice, than shut up. This is the way it was done in all my previous Toyota cars. But, I don't see how the dealer is open to any lawsuit if it was done at the request of the owner. > We all know lawyers can easily manip- >ulate juries to award a verdict when there is an injured/killed >"victims". By the same token, some lawyer could sue Honda *becasue* of the beep, since it annoys the driver enough to cause an accident. > Never mind that most states have seat belt laws. But not all and in any case, it is no Honda's p;lace to enforce laws. > "It >must have been the dealers fault for taking away that reminder >leading to the victim not wearing their set belt. Therefore lets >award the widow and family ... ". > >Honda (many auto makers) are now going to things like this. (i.e. >let's make it annoying to not wear it.). If you defeated it yourself, >it would be a different scenario. Well, how do I do that? -- Ron > >chuck > >Ron wrote: > >> My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds >> every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. >> While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I >> do not. >> >> I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this >> annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at >> all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and >> I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest >> of the system. >> >> I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather >> arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not >> sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). >> >> Does a kind soul on this NG have the electrical schematic? If so, >> would you please tell me where is the connector to the driver seat >> belt switch physically located and whether it needs to be >> disconnected or shorted to fool the system into thinking the belt is >> already buckled? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> -- Ron |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:03:13 -0500, chuck smoko
<csmoko@earthlink.net> wrote: >Ron, >I am sure that this annoyance could NOT be "legally" to be >defeated by the dealer. It would subject the dealer to loss >of insurance and a lawsuit should someone get killed for not >wearing their seat belt. Obviously, the best solution is to have the reminder beep once or twice, than shut up. This is the way it was done in all my previous Toyota cars. But, I don't see how the dealer is open to any lawsuit if it was done at the request of the owner. > We all know lawyers can easily manip- >ulate juries to award a verdict when there is an injured/killed >"victims". By the same token, some lawyer could sue Honda *becasue* of the beep, since it annoys the driver enough to cause an accident. > Never mind that most states have seat belt laws. But not all and in any case, it is no Honda's p;lace to enforce laws. > "It >must have been the dealers fault for taking away that reminder >leading to the victim not wearing their set belt. Therefore lets >award the widow and family ... ". > >Honda (many auto makers) are now going to things like this. (i.e. >let's make it annoying to not wear it.). If you defeated it yourself, >it would be a different scenario. Well, how do I do that? -- Ron > >chuck > >Ron wrote: > >> My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds >> every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. >> While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I >> do not. >> >> I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this >> annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at >> all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and >> I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest >> of the system. >> >> I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather >> arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not >> sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). >> >> Does a kind soul on this NG have the electrical schematic? If so, >> would you please tell me where is the connector to the driver seat >> belt switch physically located and whether it needs to be >> disconnected or shorted to fool the system into thinking the belt is >> already buckled? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> -- Ron |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
"Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9hg6r01b85fquak4o8sbifrccng4ufvpv5@4ax.com... > > My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds > every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. > While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I > do not. > > I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this > annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at > all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and > I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest > of the system. > > I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather > arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not > sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). > > Does a kind soul on this NG have the electrical schematic? If so, > would you please tell me where is the connector to the driver seat > belt switch physically located and whether it needs to be > disconnected or shorted to fool the system into thinking the belt is > already buckled? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron > The liability aspects prevent them from disabling the seat belt warning. It would be extremely negligent, and there is no way they could win a lawsuit. You will be better off leaving the warning active for those few times when the belt is a problem (certain backing situations or narrow roads that drop below the hoodline, for example.) That will remind you to rebuckle. (Impassioned rant:) *Please* don't forget to buckle up. Two women I work with were involved in a high speed rollover last month, and although both suffered concussions and one is recovering from a broken neck, they are both expected to recover completely. Neither would have had a ghost of a chance without the belts. Two years ago a colleague of my wife neglected to put her belt on and slid off the road at low speed when she hit a patch of ice. The only damage her BMW suffered was a bent passenger door where her butt hit it and fractured one of her vertebrae. She could have had it pulled onto the road and driven away instead of being medevac'd. She will probably not fully recover and is told her nausea from the spinal damage will probably fade but never go away. She's just glad to be able to walk. BTW - the company I work for (an electric utility) summarily terminates anybody who is injured in an accident in a company vehicle if they are not buckled up. (It is a life-threatening safety violation, the same as bringing a weapon to work.) They are serious about this - about a decade ago an employee had pulled off the highway and was sitting in his stopped Blazer when another car ran into it. He died, but the company held he was in violation of the seatbelt policy because he was seated in the vehicle and was not buckled in (or in the process). I forget what benefits if any he lost, but the company successfully denied responsibility. The company led the horse to water, and that he died of thirst was not their fault. Mike |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
"Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9hg6r01b85fquak4o8sbifrccng4ufvpv5@4ax.com... > > My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds > every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. > While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I > do not. > > I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this > annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at > all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and > I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest > of the system. > > I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather > arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not > sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). > > Does a kind soul on this NG have the electrical schematic? If so, > would you please tell me where is the connector to the driver seat > belt switch physically located and whether it needs to be > disconnected or shorted to fool the system into thinking the belt is > already buckled? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron > The liability aspects prevent them from disabling the seat belt warning. It would be extremely negligent, and there is no way they could win a lawsuit. You will be better off leaving the warning active for those few times when the belt is a problem (certain backing situations or narrow roads that drop below the hoodline, for example.) That will remind you to rebuckle. (Impassioned rant:) *Please* don't forget to buckle up. Two women I work with were involved in a high speed rollover last month, and although both suffered concussions and one is recovering from a broken neck, they are both expected to recover completely. Neither would have had a ghost of a chance without the belts. Two years ago a colleague of my wife neglected to put her belt on and slid off the road at low speed when she hit a patch of ice. The only damage her BMW suffered was a bent passenger door where her butt hit it and fractured one of her vertebrae. She could have had it pulled onto the road and driven away instead of being medevac'd. She will probably not fully recover and is told her nausea from the spinal damage will probably fade but never go away. She's just glad to be able to walk. BTW - the company I work for (an electric utility) summarily terminates anybody who is injured in an accident in a company vehicle if they are not buckled up. (It is a life-threatening safety violation, the same as bringing a weapon to work.) They are serious about this - about a decade ago an employee had pulled off the highway and was sitting in his stopped Blazer when another car ran into it. He died, but the company held he was in violation of the seatbelt policy because he was seated in the vehicle and was not buckled in (or in the process). I forget what benefits if any he lost, but the company successfully denied responsibility. The company led the horse to water, and that he died of thirst was not their fault. Mike |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
"Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:9hg6r01b85fquak4o8sbifrccng4ufvpv5@4ax.com... > > My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds > every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. > While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I > do not. Not buckling your seat belt when the car isn't running won't sound the 'irritating beep'. That is the only time that you shouldn't have your seat belt on. To do otherwise is endangering other motorists on the road. The seat belt is designed to keep the driver where he (or she) belongs, behind the steering wheel. Brian |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
"Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:9hg6r01b85fquak4o8sbifrccng4ufvpv5@4ax.com... > > My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds > every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. > While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I > do not. Not buckling your seat belt when the car isn't running won't sound the 'irritating beep'. That is the only time that you shouldn't have your seat belt on. To do otherwise is endangering other motorists on the road. The seat belt is designed to keep the driver where he (or she) belongs, behind the steering wheel. Brian |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
Brian Smith wrote:
> "Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:9hg6r01b85fquak4o8sbifrccng4ufvpv5@4ax.com... > >>My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds >>every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. >>While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I >>do not. > > > Not buckling your seat belt when the car isn't running won't sound the > 'irritating beep'. That is the only time that you shouldn't have your seat > belt on. To do otherwise is endangering other motorists on the road. The > seat belt is designed to keep the driver where he (or she) belongs, behind > the steering wheel. > > Brian > > Otherwise the driver will be roaming around in the back seat?! Seat belts are designed to decelerate the occupant more slowly than the car itself resulting in more human-tolerable forces. They may have a beneficial side effect of keeping vagabond drivers in their seat, but that's not what they were *designed* to do! a |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
Brian Smith wrote:
> "Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:9hg6r01b85fquak4o8sbifrccng4ufvpv5@4ax.com... > >>My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds >>every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. >>While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I >>do not. > > > Not buckling your seat belt when the car isn't running won't sound the > 'irritating beep'. That is the only time that you shouldn't have your seat > belt on. To do otherwise is endangering other motorists on the road. The > seat belt is designed to keep the driver where he (or she) belongs, behind > the steering wheel. > > Brian > > Otherwise the driver will be roaming around in the back seat?! Seat belts are designed to decelerate the occupant more slowly than the car itself resulting in more human-tolerable forces. They may have a beneficial side effect of keeping vagabond drivers in their seat, but that's not what they were *designed* to do! a |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
Ron wrote: > > My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds > every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. > While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I > do not. There are so few legitimate reason not to wear a Seattle that I can't for the life of me see how this can be a problem for you. > I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this > annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at > all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and > I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest > of the system. Disconnecting the switch will only work if it is a normally closed switch (which it usually is). However, on many cars this switch ties in to things like seat belt tensioners and air bag systems. Unless you know exactly what the interaction with these systems are, I'd leave the switch alone. A safer idea would be to disconnect the beeper. In my '94 Civic, the beeper is inside the "Integrated Control Unit" which is a box plugged in to the back side of the fuse box. If yours is similar perhaps you could take out the box and see if you could disable the beeper. Most likely the beeper is the same as the one used for the headlights-on reminder, key-in-ignition reminder etc., so you'd loose those functions. You don't need no stinken' reminders. > > I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather > arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not > sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). If I were a dealer, I wouldn't touch it either. |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
Ron wrote: > > My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds > every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. > While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I > do not. There are so few legitimate reason not to wear a Seattle that I can't for the life of me see how this can be a problem for you. > I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this > annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at > all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and > I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest > of the system. Disconnecting the switch will only work if it is a normally closed switch (which it usually is). However, on many cars this switch ties in to things like seat belt tensioners and air bag systems. Unless you know exactly what the interaction with these systems are, I'd leave the switch alone. A safer idea would be to disconnect the beeper. In my '94 Civic, the beeper is inside the "Integrated Control Unit" which is a box plugged in to the back side of the fuse box. If yours is similar perhaps you could take out the box and see if you could disable the beeper. Most likely the beeper is the same as the one used for the headlights-on reminder, key-in-ignition reminder etc., so you'd loose those functions. You don't need no stinken' reminders. > > I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather > arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not > sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). If I were a dealer, I wouldn't touch it either. |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
Hi Ron: I'm resisting the urge to lecture you too. These people are advising you responsibly not to disable a safety device. > My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds > every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. > While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I > do not. > > I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this > annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at > all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and > I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest > of the system. > > I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather > arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not > sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). > > Does a kind soul on this NG have the electrical schematic? If so, > would you please tell me where is the connector to the driver seat > belt switch physically located and whether it needs to be > disconnected or shorted to fool the system into thinking the belt is > already buckled? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
Hi Ron: I'm resisting the urge to lecture you too. These people are advising you responsibly not to disable a safety device. > My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds > every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. > While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I > do not. > > I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this > annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at > all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and > I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest > of the system. > > I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather > arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not > sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). > > Does a kind soul on this NG have the electrical schematic? If so, > would you please tell me where is the connector to the driver seat > belt switch physically located and whether it needs to be > disconnected or shorted to fool the system into thinking the belt is > already buckled? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
Why don't you find out were the beeping is coming from and yank the wires?
Based on a video clip I saw a while back with the driver falling asleep and rolling the car I'd suggest just buckling up. You have a family right? "Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:9hg6r01b85fquak4o8sbifrccng4ufvpv5@4ax.com... > > My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds > every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. > While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I > do not. > > I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this > annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at > all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and > I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest > of the system. > > I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather > arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not > sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). > > Does a kind soul on this NG have the electrical schematic? If so, > would you please tell me where is the connector to the driver seat > belt switch physically located and whether it needs to be > disconnected or shorted to fool the system into thinking the belt is > already buckled? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
Why don't you find out were the beeping is coming from and yank the wires?
Based on a video clip I saw a while back with the driver falling asleep and rolling the car I'd suggest just buckling up. You have a family right? "Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:9hg6r01b85fquak4o8sbifrccng4ufvpv5@4ax.com... > > My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds > every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. > While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I > do not. > > I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this > annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at > all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and > I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest > of the system. > > I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather > arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not > sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). > > Does a kind soul on this NG have the electrical schematic? If so, > would you please tell me where is the connector to the driver seat > belt switch physically located and whether it needs to be > disconnected or shorted to fool the system into thinking the belt is > already buckled? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
My 98 has no such beeping, just the annoying red light on
the dash. HOWEVER, my friend had a Ford Ranger with this annoying feature. He defeated it by pushing the seat belt release button when it started beeping at him. For some reason, it wouldn't beep at him after that, until he stopped the motor, and restarted. Not sure if this is applicable to hondas, but worth a try... t |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
My 98 has no such beeping, just the annoying red light on
the dash. HOWEVER, my friend had a Ford Ranger with this annoying feature. He defeated it by pushing the seat belt release button when it started beeping at him. For some reason, it wouldn't beep at him after that, until he stopped the motor, and restarted. Not sure if this is applicable to hondas, but worth a try... t |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:12:21 -0500, "disallow" <loewen_t at yahoo.ca
@> wrote: >My 98 has no such beeping, just the annoying red light on >the dash. HOWEVER, my friend had a Ford Ranger with this >annoying feature. He defeated it by pushing the seat belt >release button when it started beeping at him. For some >reason, it wouldn't beep at him after that, until he stopped >the motor, and restarted. > >Not sure if this is applicable to hondas, but worth a try... > Thanks for the suggestion. I've been told that this worked for an older Honda and tried it on mine. It didn't work :-). -- Ron |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:12:21 -0500, "disallow" <loewen_t at yahoo.ca
@> wrote: >My 98 has no such beeping, just the annoying red light on >the dash. HOWEVER, my friend had a Ford Ranger with this >annoying feature. He defeated it by pushing the seat belt >release button when it started beeping at him. For some >reason, it wouldn't beep at him after that, until he stopped >the motor, and restarted. > >Not sure if this is applicable to hondas, but worth a try... > Thanks for the suggestion. I've been told that this worked for an older Honda and tried it on mine. It didn't work :-). -- Ron |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 20:49:28 -0500, "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back>
wrote: >Why don't you find out were the beeping is coming from and yank the wires? As unbelievable as it is, the thought crossed my mind... Problem is that I would lose all other alert functions, such as key in lock, etc.. It seems that disconnecting (or shorting, depending on the design) the buckle switch is the best way to solve the problem, though getting a single beep, as in other cars, is the ideal approach. >Based on a video clip I saw a while back with the driver falling asleep and >rolling the car I'd suggest just buckling up. You have a family right? Look... I asked for simple help from anyone that happens to know -- or has the schematic -- of a connector location. Instead, I get a barrage of posturing from people that can't or won't help, but feel the urge to tell me how I should drive. Well, thanks a lot, guys, but I don't need either you or Honda to do that. FYI ('your' in the plural) , if someone decided to fall asleep at the wheel with their family in the back seat, they would do it with the belt on or off, with the beep on or off. Also FYI, in the 1974 time frame some government control freak moron decided to require ingnition lock unless belts are buckled. IIRC, this was revoked the following year aftercausing a number of deaths. Also, FYI, the issue of seat belts is not as simple asa all that. At low speed, seat belts are useless. Worse -- in some types of accidents, seat belts can kill (and have killed). Yes, statistically, one is better off wearing them, but try and tell a family whose loved one has been killed by a seat belt that it is all right, because it has saved someone else's life. Peace, -- Ron > >"Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:9hg6r01b85fquak4o8sbifrccng4ufvpv5@4ax.com.. . >> >> My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds >> every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. >> While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I >> do not. >> >> I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this >> annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at >> all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and >> I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest >> of the system. >> >> I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather >> arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not >> sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). >> >> Does a kind soul on this NG have the electrical schematic? If so, >> would you please tell me where is the connector to the driver seat >> belt switch physically located and whether it needs to be >> disconnected or shorted to fool the system into thinking the belt is >> already buckled? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> -- Ron >> > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 20:49:28 -0500, "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back>
wrote: >Why don't you find out were the beeping is coming from and yank the wires? As unbelievable as it is, the thought crossed my mind... Problem is that I would lose all other alert functions, such as key in lock, etc.. It seems that disconnecting (or shorting, depending on the design) the buckle switch is the best way to solve the problem, though getting a single beep, as in other cars, is the ideal approach. >Based on a video clip I saw a while back with the driver falling asleep and >rolling the car I'd suggest just buckling up. You have a family right? Look... I asked for simple help from anyone that happens to know -- or has the schematic -- of a connector location. Instead, I get a barrage of posturing from people that can't or won't help, but feel the urge to tell me how I should drive. Well, thanks a lot, guys, but I don't need either you or Honda to do that. FYI ('your' in the plural) , if someone decided to fall asleep at the wheel with their family in the back seat, they would do it with the belt on or off, with the beep on or off. Also FYI, in the 1974 time frame some government control freak moron decided to require ingnition lock unless belts are buckled. IIRC, this was revoked the following year aftercausing a number of deaths. Also, FYI, the issue of seat belts is not as simple asa all that. At low speed, seat belts are useless. Worse -- in some types of accidents, seat belts can kill (and have killed). Yes, statistically, one is better off wearing them, but try and tell a family whose loved one has been killed by a seat belt that it is all right, because it has saved someone else's life. Peace, -- Ron > >"Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:9hg6r01b85fquak4o8sbifrccng4ufvpv5@4ax.com.. . >> >> My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds >> every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. >> While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I >> do not. >> >> I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this >> annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at >> all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and >> I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest >> of the system. >> >> I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather >> arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not >> sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). >> >> Does a kind soul on this NG have the electrical schematic? If so, >> would you please tell me where is the connector to the driver seat >> belt switch physically located and whether it needs to be >> disconnected or shorted to fool the system into thinking the belt is >> already buckled? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> -- Ron >> > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
What I've been thinking about is getting a buckle from a junked car and
plugging it in when I want. "Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:8479r0dqtnptp5ql74q1pcgruob9bddc0a@4ax.com... > On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 20:49:28 -0500, "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> > wrote: > > >Why don't you find out were the beeping is coming from and yank the wires? > > As unbelievable as it is, the thought crossed my mind... Problem is > that I would lose all other alert functions, such as key in lock, > etc.. > > It seems that disconnecting (or shorting, depending on the design) > the buckle switch is the best way to solve the problem, though > getting a single beep, as in other cars, is the ideal approach. > > >Based on a video clip I saw a while back with the driver falling asleep and > >rolling the car I'd suggest just buckling up. You have a family right? > > Look... I asked for simple help from anyone that happens to know > -- or has the schematic -- of a connector location. Instead, I get a > barrage of posturing from people that can't or won't help, but feel > the urge to tell me how I should drive. Well, thanks a lot, guys, > but I don't need either you or Honda to do that. > > FYI ('your' in the plural) , if someone decided to fall asleep at > the wheel with their family in the back seat, they would do it with > the belt on or off, with the beep on or off. > > Also FYI, in the 1974 time frame some government control freak moron > decided to require ingnition lock unless belts are buckled. IIRC, > this was revoked the following year aftercausing a number of deaths. > > Also, FYI, the issue of seat belts is not as simple asa all that. At > low speed, seat belts are useless. Worse -- in some types of > accidents, seat belts can kill (and have killed). Yes, > statistically, one is better off wearing them, but try and tell a > family whose loved one has been killed by a seat belt that it is all > right, because it has saved someone else's life. > > Peace, > > -- Ron > > > > > > >"Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >news:9hg6r01b85fquak4o8sbifrccng4ufvpv5@4ax.com.. . > >> > >> My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds > >> every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. > >> While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I > >> do not. > >> > >> I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this > >> annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at > >> all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and > >> I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest > >> of the system. > >> > >> I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather > >> arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not > >> sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). > >> > >> Does a kind soul on this NG have the electrical schematic? If so, > >> would you please tell me where is the connector to the driver seat > >> belt switch physically located and whether it needs to be > >> disconnected or shorted to fool the system into thinking the belt is > >> already buckled? > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > > > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
What I've been thinking about is getting a buckle from a junked car and
plugging it in when I want. "Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:8479r0dqtnptp5ql74q1pcgruob9bddc0a@4ax.com... > On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 20:49:28 -0500, "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> > wrote: > > >Why don't you find out were the beeping is coming from and yank the wires? > > As unbelievable as it is, the thought crossed my mind... Problem is > that I would lose all other alert functions, such as key in lock, > etc.. > > It seems that disconnecting (or shorting, depending on the design) > the buckle switch is the best way to solve the problem, though > getting a single beep, as in other cars, is the ideal approach. > > >Based on a video clip I saw a while back with the driver falling asleep and > >rolling the car I'd suggest just buckling up. You have a family right? > > Look... I asked for simple help from anyone that happens to know > -- or has the schematic -- of a connector location. Instead, I get a > barrage of posturing from people that can't or won't help, but feel > the urge to tell me how I should drive. Well, thanks a lot, guys, > but I don't need either you or Honda to do that. > > FYI ('your' in the plural) , if someone decided to fall asleep at > the wheel with their family in the back seat, they would do it with > the belt on or off, with the beep on or off. > > Also FYI, in the 1974 time frame some government control freak moron > decided to require ingnition lock unless belts are buckled. IIRC, > this was revoked the following year aftercausing a number of deaths. > > Also, FYI, the issue of seat belts is not as simple asa all that. At > low speed, seat belts are useless. Worse -- in some types of > accidents, seat belts can kill (and have killed). Yes, > statistically, one is better off wearing them, but try and tell a > family whose loved one has been killed by a seat belt that it is all > right, because it has saved someone else's life. > > Peace, > > -- Ron > > > > > > >"Ron" <ronami@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >news:9hg6r01b85fquak4o8sbifrccng4ufvpv5@4ax.com.. . > >> > >> My 2004 Accord LX has a 'feature', whereby an irritating beep sounds > >> every 30 soeconds for as long as the seat belts are not buckled. > >> While I do wear the belts most times, this is an irritation when I > >> do not. > >> > >> I thought that disconnecting the buckle switch should stop this > >> annoyance (the processor will then 'think' the belt is buckled at > >> all times); however, space under the driver seat is very cramped and > >> I cannot find the point where that switch is connected to the rest > >> of the system. > >> > >> I asked Honda service to disconnect the switch and was told, rather > >> arrogantly, that they will not disable a 'safety feature' (I am not > >> sure how harrasing the driver qualifies as a safety feature). > >> > >> Does a kind soul on this NG have the electrical schematic? If so, > >> would you please tell me where is the connector to the driver seat > >> belt switch physically located and whether it needs to be > >> disconnected or shorted to fool the system into thinking the belt is > >> already buckled? > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > > > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
GS wrote:
> What I've been thinking about is getting a buckle from a junked car and > plugging it in when I want. > > hey, that'll work! Kinda like plugging the door switch of the microwave with a Popsicle stick so you can cook stuff with the door open... a |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
GS wrote:
> What I've been thinking about is getting a buckle from a junked car and > plugging it in when I want. > > hey, that'll work! Kinda like plugging the door switch of the microwave with a Popsicle stick so you can cook stuff with the door open... a |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On the other hand Ron, I have to admit to being guilty as well. I have
held off buying a new mower, partly because I couldn't stand it if the motor died everytime I let go of that stupid handle thing. In my mind, THAT would be annoying. I think I would probably wrap it with a cable tie on day one. Good luck with your seatbelt issue. Doc (who "Doesn't practice what he preaches." ) > >My 98 has no such beeping, just the annoying red light on > >the dash. HOWEVER, my friend had a Ford Ranger with this > >annoying feature. He defeated it by pushing the seat belt > >release button when it started beeping at him. For some > >reason, it wouldn't beep at him after that, until he stopped > >the motor, and restarted. > > > >Not sure if this is applicable to hondas, but worth a try... > > > > Thanks for the suggestion. I've been told that this worked for an > older Honda and tried it on mine. It didn't work :-). > > -- Ron > > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On the other hand Ron, I have to admit to being guilty as well. I have
held off buying a new mower, partly because I couldn't stand it if the motor died everytime I let go of that stupid handle thing. In my mind, THAT would be annoying. I think I would probably wrap it with a cable tie on day one. Good luck with your seatbelt issue. Doc (who "Doesn't practice what he preaches." ) > >My 98 has no such beeping, just the annoying red light on > >the dash. HOWEVER, my friend had a Ford Ranger with this > >annoying feature. He defeated it by pushing the seat belt > >release button when it started beeping at him. For some > >reason, it wouldn't beep at him after that, until he stopped > >the motor, and restarted. > > > >Not sure if this is applicable to hondas, but worth a try... > > > > Thanks for the suggestion. I've been told that this worked for an > older Honda and tried it on mine. It didn't work :-). > > -- Ron > > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
There is a sequence of switching the ignition on and off and
clipping/unclipping the seat belt outlined in the ford user manual. P.S. Ron, I did a quick search and found this response to your problem: I think I got it.....I found an old spackle knife in the garage and traced the outline of the metal part of the seatbelt onto the blade...From there, I grinded away the excess all the way to the tracing using an 8 in shop grinder...The cutout in the middle was a little bit tricky....I used a dremel tool with a disc cutting wheel than smoothed out the edges with the little drum attachment. Finally. I cut the handle down to size and left about an inch to which I covered in black electrical tape..When inserted, you can hardly notice it and it works like a charm!!!! Thanks for all the replies, good and bad...LOL I never intended to start a pissing contest here....Peace...Mike "disallow" <loewen_t at yahoo.ca @> wrote in message news:6fc227741ca40057a103a2ad301d78b8@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com... > My 98 has no such beeping, just the annoying red light on > the dash. HOWEVER, my friend had a Ford Ranger with this > annoying feature. He defeated it by pushing the seat belt > release button when it started beeping at him. For some > reason, it wouldn't beep at him after that, until he stopped > the motor, and restarted. > > Not sure if this is applicable to hondas, but worth a try... > > t > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
There is a sequence of switching the ignition on and off and
clipping/unclipping the seat belt outlined in the ford user manual. P.S. Ron, I did a quick search and found this response to your problem: I think I got it.....I found an old spackle knife in the garage and traced the outline of the metal part of the seatbelt onto the blade...From there, I grinded away the excess all the way to the tracing using an 8 in shop grinder...The cutout in the middle was a little bit tricky....I used a dremel tool with a disc cutting wheel than smoothed out the edges with the little drum attachment. Finally. I cut the handle down to size and left about an inch to which I covered in black electrical tape..When inserted, you can hardly notice it and it works like a charm!!!! Thanks for all the replies, good and bad...LOL I never intended to start a pissing contest here....Peace...Mike "disallow" <loewen_t at yahoo.ca @> wrote in message news:6fc227741ca40057a103a2ad301d78b8@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com... > My 98 has no such beeping, just the annoying red light on > the dash. HOWEVER, my friend had a Ford Ranger with this > annoying feature. He defeated it by pushing the seat belt > release button when it started beeping at him. For some > reason, it wouldn't beep at him after that, until he stopped > the motor, and restarted. > > Not sure if this is applicable to hondas, but worth a try... > > t > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 23:21:28 GMT, "Net-Doctor"
<bgreene1@columbus.rr.com> wrote: > On the other hand Ron, I have to admit to being guilty as well. I have >held off buying a new mower, partly because I couldn't stand it if the motor >died everytime I let go of that stupid handle thing. In my mind, THAT would >be annoying. I think I would probably wrap it with a cable tie on day one. ....as many users do. Personally, I prefer the blade to stop, so bought a Honda mower with a blade clutch. Rather than cut the engine, it disengages the blade. Offers better safety, too, since the blade stops in about 1 Second, vs. 2 or 3 Seconds for the type that cuts the engine. Of course, this has nothing to do with the Honda (car, not mower) seat belt switch. I am not seeking to disable the belt, just to stop the annoying beep. The beeping 'feature' has NOTHING to do with safety. If anything, it reduces safety, by irritating the driver. Havr a nice day, -- Ron > Good luck with your seatbelt issue. > > Doc (who "Doesn't practice what he preaches." ) > > >> >My 98 has no such beeping, just the annoying red light on >> >the dash. HOWEVER, my friend had a Ford Ranger with this >> >annoying feature. He defeated it by pushing the seat belt >> >release button when it started beeping at him. For some >> >reason, it wouldn't beep at him after that, until he stopped >> >the motor, and restarted. >> > >> >Not sure if this is applicable to hondas, but worth a try... >> > >> >> Thanks for the suggestion. I've been told that this worked for an >> older Honda and tried it on mine. It didn't work :-). >> >> -- Ron >> >> > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 23:21:28 GMT, "Net-Doctor"
<bgreene1@columbus.rr.com> wrote: > On the other hand Ron, I have to admit to being guilty as well. I have >held off buying a new mower, partly because I couldn't stand it if the motor >died everytime I let go of that stupid handle thing. In my mind, THAT would >be annoying. I think I would probably wrap it with a cable tie on day one. ....as many users do. Personally, I prefer the blade to stop, so bought a Honda mower with a blade clutch. Rather than cut the engine, it disengages the blade. Offers better safety, too, since the blade stops in about 1 Second, vs. 2 or 3 Seconds for the type that cuts the engine. Of course, this has nothing to do with the Honda (car, not mower) seat belt switch. I am not seeking to disable the belt, just to stop the annoying beep. The beeping 'feature' has NOTHING to do with safety. If anything, it reduces safety, by irritating the driver. Havr a nice day, -- Ron > Good luck with your seatbelt issue. > > Doc (who "Doesn't practice what he preaches." ) > > >> >My 98 has no such beeping, just the annoying red light on >> >the dash. HOWEVER, my friend had a Ford Ranger with this >> >annoying feature. He defeated it by pushing the seat belt >> >release button when it started beeping at him. For some >> >reason, it wouldn't beep at him after that, until he stopped >> >the motor, and restarted. >> > >> >Not sure if this is applicable to hondas, but worth a try... >> > >> >> Thanks for the suggestion. I've been told that this worked for an >> older Honda and tried it on mine. It didn't work :-). >> >> -- Ron >> >> > |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On 12/7/2004 8:58 PM Ron spake these words of knowledge:
> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 23:21:28 GMT, "Net-Doctor" > <bgreene1@columbus.rr.com> wrote: > >> On the other hand Ron, I have to admit to being guilty as well. I have >>held off buying a new mower, partly because I couldn't stand it if the motor >>died everytime I let go of that stupid handle thing. In my mind, THAT would >>be annoying. I think I would probably wrap it with a cable tie on day one. > > ...as many users do. Personally, I prefer the blade to stop, so > bought a Honda mower with a blade clutch. Rather than cut the > engine, it disengages the blade. Offers better safety, too, since > the blade stops in about 1 Second, vs. 2 or 3 Seconds for the type > that cuts the engine. > > Of course, this has nothing to do with the Honda (car, not mower) > seat belt switch. I am not seeking to disable the belt, just to stop > the annoying beep. The beeping 'feature' has NOTHING to do with > safety. If anything, it reduces safety, by irritating the driver. > > Havr a nice day, > > -- Ron That's simply disingenuous. If you're using the seatbelt properly (which certainly does have something to do with safety), there *is* no beeping feature. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- .... Personally, I like my flying brains dark and evil. |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On 12/7/2004 8:58 PM Ron spake these words of knowledge:
> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 23:21:28 GMT, "Net-Doctor" > <bgreene1@columbus.rr.com> wrote: > >> On the other hand Ron, I have to admit to being guilty as well. I have >>held off buying a new mower, partly because I couldn't stand it if the motor >>died everytime I let go of that stupid handle thing. In my mind, THAT would >>be annoying. I think I would probably wrap it with a cable tie on day one. > > ...as many users do. Personally, I prefer the blade to stop, so > bought a Honda mower with a blade clutch. Rather than cut the > engine, it disengages the blade. Offers better safety, too, since > the blade stops in about 1 Second, vs. 2 or 3 Seconds for the type > that cuts the engine. > > Of course, this has nothing to do with the Honda (car, not mower) > seat belt switch. I am not seeking to disable the belt, just to stop > the annoying beep. The beeping 'feature' has NOTHING to do with > safety. If anything, it reduces safety, by irritating the driver. > > Havr a nice day, > > -- Ron That's simply disingenuous. If you're using the seatbelt properly (which certainly does have something to do with safety), there *is* no beeping feature. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- .... Personally, I like my flying brains dark and evil. |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:41:28 GMT, Dave Kelsen
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On 12/7/2004 8:58 PM Ron spake these words of knowledge: > >> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 23:21:28 GMT, "Net-Doctor" >> <bgreene1@columbus.rr.com> wrote: >> >>> On the other hand Ron, I have to admit to being guilty as well. I have >>>held off buying a new mower, partly because I couldn't stand it if the motor >>>died everytime I let go of that stupid handle thing. In my mind, THAT would >>>be annoying. I think I would probably wrap it with a cable tie on day one. >> >> ...as many users do. Personally, I prefer the blade to stop, so >> bought a Honda mower with a blade clutch. Rather than cut the >> engine, it disengages the blade. Offers better safety, too, since >> the blade stops in about 1 Second, vs. 2 or 3 Seconds for the type >> that cuts the engine. >> >> Of course, this has nothing to do with the Honda (car, not mower) >> seat belt switch. I am not seeking to disable the belt, just to stop >> the annoying beep. The beeping 'feature' has NOTHING to do with >> safety. If anything, it reduces safety, by irritating the driver. >> >> Havr a nice day, >> >> -- Ron > >That's simply disingenuous. If you're using the seatbelt properly >(which certainly does have something to do with safety), there *is* no >beeping feature. But when I am not, there *is* a beep, that adds nothing to safety and, if fact, may detract from it. Suppose that, if you did not use the belt, a club would come out and hit you on the head, once every 30 seconds. Would *that* be a 'safety feature? The seat belt is a safety feature. The beep is not. -- Ron > > >RFT!!! >Dave Kelsen |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:41:28 GMT, Dave Kelsen
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On 12/7/2004 8:58 PM Ron spake these words of knowledge: > >> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 23:21:28 GMT, "Net-Doctor" >> <bgreene1@columbus.rr.com> wrote: >> >>> On the other hand Ron, I have to admit to being guilty as well. I have >>>held off buying a new mower, partly because I couldn't stand it if the motor >>>died everytime I let go of that stupid handle thing. In my mind, THAT would >>>be annoying. I think I would probably wrap it with a cable tie on day one. >> >> ...as many users do. Personally, I prefer the blade to stop, so >> bought a Honda mower with a blade clutch. Rather than cut the >> engine, it disengages the blade. Offers better safety, too, since >> the blade stops in about 1 Second, vs. 2 or 3 Seconds for the type >> that cuts the engine. >> >> Of course, this has nothing to do with the Honda (car, not mower) >> seat belt switch. I am not seeking to disable the belt, just to stop >> the annoying beep. The beeping 'feature' has NOTHING to do with >> safety. If anything, it reduces safety, by irritating the driver. >> >> Havr a nice day, >> >> -- Ron > >That's simply disingenuous. If you're using the seatbelt properly >(which certainly does have something to do with safety), there *is* no >beeping feature. But when I am not, there *is* a beep, that adds nothing to safety and, if fact, may detract from it. Suppose that, if you did not use the belt, a club would come out and hit you on the head, once every 30 seconds. Would *that* be a 'safety feature? The seat belt is a safety feature. The beep is not. -- Ron > > >RFT!!! >Dave Kelsen |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On 12/8/2004 8:40 AM Ron spake these words of knowledge:
> On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:41:28 GMT, Dave Kelsen > <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >>On 12/7/2004 8:58 PM Ron spake these words of knowledge: >> >>> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 23:21:28 GMT, "Net-Doctor" >>> <bgreene1@columbus.rr.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On the other hand Ron, I have to admit to being guilty as well. I have >>>>held off buying a new mower, partly because I couldn't stand it if the motor >>>>died everytime I let go of that stupid handle thing. In my mind, THAT would >>>>be annoying. I think I would probably wrap it with a cable tie on day one. >>> >>> ...as many users do. Personally, I prefer the blade to stop, so >>> bought a Honda mower with a blade clutch. Rather than cut the >>> engine, it disengages the blade. Offers better safety, too, since >>> the blade stops in about 1 Second, vs. 2 or 3 Seconds for the type >>> that cuts the engine. >>> >>> Of course, this has nothing to do with the Honda (car, not mower) >>> seat belt switch. I am not seeking to disable the belt, just to stop >>> the annoying beep. The beeping 'feature' has NOTHING to do with >>> safety. If anything, it reduces safety, by irritating the driver. >>> >>> Havr a nice day, >>> >>> -- Ron >> >>That's simply disingenuous. If you're using the seatbelt properly >>(which certainly does have something to do with safety), there *is* no >>beeping feature. > > But when I am not, there *is* a beep, that adds nothing to safety > and, if fact, may detract from it. > > Suppose that, if you did not use the belt, a club would come out and > hit you on the head, once every 30 seconds. Would *that* be a > 'safety feature? > > The seat belt is a safety feature. The beep is not. > > -- Ron The lamp that comes on when your oil pressure is low has nothing to do with your engine running properly. Oil pressure is required. The lamp is not. The flashing dash lights that tell you when your turn signals are on have nothing to do with the complying with law. The turn signals are legally required. The inside indicators are not. The ... I could go on, but the fact is that you're wrong, in every meaningful way. You are correct in only a narrow semantic interpretation. But of course, I recognize your right to be wrong. I recognize your right to not use seatbelts. As a motorcyclist for just over 30 years now, I recognize an individual's right to abstain from wearing a helmet. It's just stupid; people have a right to be stupid. That's how we get competitors for the Darwin awards... RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- .... "I think that if you're so confused you 'don't know whether to or go blind,' you should pretty much always go with '.'" -- Jason Murray |
Re: Accord LX seat belt signal hassle
On 12/8/2004 8:40 AM Ron spake these words of knowledge:
> On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:41:28 GMT, Dave Kelsen > <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >>On 12/7/2004 8:58 PM Ron spake these words of knowledge: >> >>> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 23:21:28 GMT, "Net-Doctor" >>> <bgreene1@columbus.rr.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On the other hand Ron, I have to admit to being guilty as well. I have >>>>held off buying a new mower, partly because I couldn't stand it if the motor >>>>died everytime I let go of that stupid handle thing. In my mind, THAT would >>>>be annoying. I think I would probably wrap it with a cable tie on day one. >>> >>> ...as many users do. Personally, I prefer the blade to stop, so >>> bought a Honda mower with a blade clutch. Rather than cut the >>> engine, it disengages the blade. Offers better safety, too, since >>> the blade stops in about 1 Second, vs. 2 or 3 Seconds for the type >>> that cuts the engine. >>> >>> Of course, this has nothing to do with the Honda (car, not mower) >>> seat belt switch. I am not seeking to disable the belt, just to stop >>> the annoying beep. The beeping 'feature' has NOTHING to do with >>> safety. If anything, it reduces safety, by irritating the driver. >>> >>> Havr a nice day, >>> >>> -- Ron >> >>That's simply disingenuous. If you're using the seatbelt properly >>(which certainly does have something to do with safety), there *is* no >>beeping feature. > > But when I am not, there *is* a beep, that adds nothing to safety > and, if fact, may detract from it. > > Suppose that, if you did not use the belt, a club would come out and > hit you on the head, once every 30 seconds. Would *that* be a > 'safety feature? > > The seat belt is a safety feature. The beep is not. > > -- Ron The lamp that comes on when your oil pressure is low has nothing to do with your engine running properly. Oil pressure is required. The lamp is not. The flashing dash lights that tell you when your turn signals are on have nothing to do with the complying with law. The turn signals are legally required. The inside indicators are not. The ... I could go on, but the fact is that you're wrong, in every meaningful way. You are correct in only a narrow semantic interpretation. But of course, I recognize your right to be wrong. I recognize your right to not use seatbelts. As a motorcyclist for just over 30 years now, I recognize an individual's right to abstain from wearing a helmet. It's just stupid; people have a right to be stupid. That's how we get competitors for the Darwin awards... RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- .... "I think that if you're so confused you 'don't know whether to or go blind,' you should pretty much always go with '.'" -- Jason Murray |
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