Re: Accord vs. Camry ?
 

with a name like shagnasty you must be a total retard. take your crappy
attitude to the toyota group or they'll probably tell you the same thing
there.

"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:XCine.1088$RV5.421@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> I'll probaly do the regular wear and tear work myself, like changing oil,
> filters, brakes, etc. After that there shouldn't be much. On the no EGR
> the Camry mechanic told me its a closed system that has been around for a
> while. I'm still thinking about getting the 7 year, 100,000 mile warranty
> if I can get them down to $1000.00.
> Hank
> "Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Zmbne.868773$w62.51644@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>I don't know how they get totally away with the EGR, it has to do with
>>being able to change the valve timing when it's needed. The belted
>>4-cylinder Toyota (2.2) is gone for now, we have the 2.4 chain drive.
>>(supposedly good for 250,000 miles)
>> Also note with the Toyota VS Accord. Almost everything on a 4-cyl Toyota
>> a do-it yourselfer can do. The alternator is in plain site, the starter
>> on top. Very user friendly. On Honda's you may never know where they
>> stuff an alternator. Now for those who have to pay for the work, the
>> labor rates are determined by how hard a job is to do. therefore, the job
>> would be cheaper. Also, many Honda parts cost more.
>> --
>> Stephen W. Hansen
>> ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
>> ASE Undercar Specialist
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:EBZme.749$RV5.322@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com. ..
>>> Steve
>>> We're leaning toward a new 05 Camry because a used one with 25,000 miles
>>> is about 16,000 and a new one with a few more goodies is $18,400. What
>>> does Camry do instead of EGR? This is one subject I've not seen
>>> mentioned. I was aware fo the noninterference engine but I don't know
>>> if 4 cylinder VVIT has a chain or a belt. I did however notice that
>>> Honda mentions a 110,000 miles service interval in its brochure but
>>> Toyota is silent.
>>> Comparing new cars, the Toyota in Silver looks nicer, has a drivers
>>> power seat, radio controls on the steering wheel, and is quieter on the
>>> hiway. Only things the Honda has that we'd like is telescoping wheel and
>>> lighted vanity mirrorss (wife, not me).
>>> tnx
>>> Hank
>>> "Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:b9Rme.862066$w62.708246@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>> We just got a Camry
>>>> Why? The Camry (used) was a bit cheaper. The t-belted Camry is a
>>>> noninterference engine, safe if the belt were to break, however, the
>>>> chain driven (VVIT?) Camry has no EGR system, and no belt to change.
>>>> These were my choices; and as others said, both fine cars.
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Accord vs. Camry ?
 

In article <iRkne.1776$4u.1014@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> with a name like shagnasty you must be a total retard. take your crappy
> attitude to the toyota group or they'll probably tell you the same thing
> there.

The fact remains, yer an idiot.

Re: Accord vs. Camry ?
 

In article <iRkne.1776$4u.1014@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> with a name like shagnasty you must be a total retard. take your crappy
> attitude to the toyota group or they'll probably tell you the same thing
> there.

The fact remains, yer an idiot.

Re: Accord vs. Camry ?
 

How about the sludgeing probs with Toyota engines? Not applicable to the
new models I hope! My mom got one this year.

Re: Accord vs. Camry ?
 

How about the sludgeing probs with Toyota engines? Not applicable to the
new models I hope! My mom got one this year.

Re: Accord vs. Camry ?
 

At the time I was buying a car in 2003, I looked at both. The Toyota
distributor and the dealer added things to every car at extra cost that
I did not want. There was a paint strip, there was some kind of fabric
protectant, ... I could not get a Toyota without these added on items.

So I bought the Accord to avoid the extra cost of the unwanted adulterations
imposed by the Toyota distributor and dealer. That was over 50K miles ago.
The Accord has been perfect. I have not had to return to the dealer for
anything. The only maintaining has been oil changes. Normal highway gas
consumption is 38 MPG, but I can get 50 MPG if I turn off the air
conditioning and drive at a steady 50 MPH on level roads.

---
James D. Howard Austin TX USA jdhoward@helps.com

Re: Accord vs. Camry ?
 

At the time I was buying a car in 2003, I looked at both. The Toyota
distributor and the dealer added things to every car at extra cost that
I did not want. There was a paint strip, there was some kind of fabric
protectant, ... I could not get a Toyota without these added on items.

So I bought the Accord to avoid the extra cost of the unwanted adulterations
imposed by the Toyota distributor and dealer. That was over 50K miles ago.
The Accord has been perfect. I have not had to return to the dealer for
anything. The only maintaining has been oil changes. Normal highway gas
consumption is 38 MPG, but I can get 50 MPG if I turn off the air
conditioning and drive at a steady 50 MPH on level roads.

---
James D. Howard Austin TX USA jdhoward@helps.com

Re: Accord vs. Camry ?
 

The last 2 weeks have been spent looking at new cars. We drove about 15
total including Accords, Altimas, Sonatas, Elantras, Galants, PT Cruisers,
Matrix and after all was said and done we chose a 05 Camry because of price,
features, and warranty options. Got the 4 cylinder, 5 speed auto with
cruise, power windows, door locks, drivers seat, and radio/cd with steering
wheel buttons . I couldn't get factory satellite, too bottom end.
I took it to a hamfest in Arlington TX, and got stuck in traffic jam that
lasted about an hour. My gas mileage suffered, I got 28.8 mpg. On the way
back to Tulsa going 70 most of the way for about 250 miles I got 40.8 mpg
with AC on.
I am totally satisfied with the choice, quiet, responsive, comfortable. I
have not purchased a new car since 1972 because of the nasty way car dealers
treated me and wasted my time. But with the Internet it was pleasurable, an
outstanding learning experience, and its about time the consumer had an
option.
Hank
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Impme.54$RV5.4@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> On Saturday my wife and I both drove the 4 cylinder automatics and really
> like both the Honda and Toyota. I couldn't find any significant
> difference but my wife liked the looks of one better than the other and
> she can't recall which one because we also drove the Mitsubishi Galant,
> Hyundai Sonota, Toyota Matrix, and a PT Cruiser. The PT & Matrix is off
> our list and it's between Honda and Toyota because the other 2 Asian cars
> depreciate faster. Apart from emotions with prices, performace and
> features essentially the same what are factual reasons for selecting one
> over the other.
> tnx
> Hank
>

Re: Accord vs. Camry ?
 

The last 2 weeks have been spent looking at new cars. We drove about 15
total including Accords, Altimas, Sonatas, Elantras, Galants, PT Cruisers,
Matrix and after all was said and done we chose a 05 Camry because of price,
features, and warranty options. Got the 4 cylinder, 5 speed auto with
cruise, power windows, door locks, drivers seat, and radio/cd with steering
wheel buttons . I couldn't get factory satellite, too bottom end.
I took it to a hamfest in Arlington TX, and got stuck in traffic jam that
lasted about an hour. My gas mileage suffered, I got 28.8 mpg. On the way
back to Tulsa going 70 most of the way for about 250 miles I got 40.8 mpg
with AC on.
I am totally satisfied with the choice, quiet, responsive, comfortable. I
have not purchased a new car since 1972 because of the nasty way car dealers
treated me and wasted my time. But with the Internet it was pleasurable, an
outstanding learning experience, and its about time the consumer had an
option.
Hank
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Impme.54$RV5.4@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> On Saturday my wife and I both drove the 4 cylinder automatics and really
> like both the Honda and Toyota. I couldn't find any significant
> difference but my wife liked the looks of one better than the other and
> she can't recall which one because we also drove the Mitsubishi Galant,
> Hyundai Sonota, Toyota Matrix, and a PT Cruiser. The PT & Matrix is off
> our list and it's between Honda and Toyota because the other 2 Asian cars
> depreciate faster. Apart from emotions with prices, performace and
> features essentially the same what are factual reasons for selecting one
> over the other.
> tnx
> Hank
>

Re: Accord vs. Camry ?
 

I have always had accords. While on vacation, the rental was a Camry. I
was not impressed with the fit/finish of the Toyota compared to my Hondas.

Just my 2 cents.


"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Impme.54$RV5.4@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> On Saturday my wife and I both drove the 4 cylinder automatics and really
> like both the Honda and Toyota. I couldn't find any significant
> difference but my wife liked the looks of one better than the other and
> she can't recall which one because we also drove the Mitsubishi Galant,
> Hyundai Sonota, Toyota Matrix, and a PT Cruiser. The PT & Matrix is off
> our list and it's between Honda and Toyota because the other 2 Asian cars
> depreciate faster. Apart from emotions with prices, performace and
> features essentially the same what are factual reasons for selecting one
> over the other.
> tnx
> Hank
>

Re: Accord vs. Camry ?
 

I have always had accords. While on vacation, the rental was a Camry. I
was not impressed with the fit/finish of the Toyota compared to my Hondas.

Just my 2 cents.


"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Impme.54$RV5.4@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> On Saturday my wife and I both drove the 4 cylinder automatics and really
> like both the Honda and Toyota. I couldn't find any significant
> difference but my wife liked the looks of one better than the other and
> she can't recall which one because we also drove the Mitsubishi Galant,
> Hyundai Sonota, Toyota Matrix, and a PT Cruiser. The PT & Matrix is off
> our list and it's between Honda and Toyota because the other 2 Asian cars
> depreciate faster. Apart from emotions with prices, performace and
> features essentially the same what are factual reasons for selecting one
> over the other.
> tnx
> Hank
>