hondaman

dude buy what u want. toyotas are not as good as honda but if you want to
boast about buying a toyota find a toyota group don't come in here trying to
put people down this is a honda group. buy the toyota i hope you have to
take it in for service everyday.


-jeff
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-CA7B6E.14471631052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com...
> In article <Mn_me.324$JW4.147@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>,
> "hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> and just because toyota doesn't say you need a
>> service within 110,000 miles doesn't mean it won't need any service.
>
> (ahem) He said it was HONDA that made that claim, and that TOYOTA was
> silent on the issue.
>
> Read up before you make a total *** of yourself--again.
>

Seth

"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:GKane.457$pG6.321@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com. ..
> dude buy what u want. toyotas are not as good as honda but if you want to
> boast about buying a toyota find a toyota group don't come in here trying
> to put people down this is a honda group. buy the toyota i hope you have
> to take it in for service everyday.

Because this is a Honda group people have to put down Toyota? Both cars
can't be reliable?

What a tool...

Seth

"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:GKane.457$pG6.321@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com. ..
> dude buy what u want. toyotas are not as good as honda but if you want to
> boast about buying a toyota find a toyota group don't come in here trying
> to put people down this is a honda group. buy the toyota i hope you have
> to take it in for service everyday.

Because this is a Honda group people have to put down Toyota? Both cars
can't be reliable?

What a tool...

Steve

I don't know how they get totally away with the EGR, it has to do with being
able to change the valve timing when it's needed. The belted 4-cylinder
Toyota (2.2) is gone for now, we have the 2.4 chain drive. (supposedly good
for 250,000 miles)
Also note with the Toyota VS Accord. Almost everything on a 4-cyl Toyota a
do-it yourselfer can do. The alternator is in plain site, the starter on
top. Very user friendly. On Honda's you may never know where they stuff an
alternator. Now for those who have to pay for the work, the labor rates are
determined by how hard a job is to do. therefore, the job would be cheaper.
Also, many Honda parts cost more.
--
Stephen W. Hansen
ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
ASE Undercar Specialist




"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:EBZme.749$RV5.322@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Steve
> We're leaning toward a new 05 Camry because a used one with 25,000 miles
> is about 16,000 and a new one with a few more goodies is $18,400. What
> does Camry do instead of EGR? This is one subject I've not seen
> mentioned. I was aware fo the noninterference engine but I don't know if
> 4 cylinder VVIT has a chain or a belt. I did however notice that Honda
> mentions a 110,000 miles service interval in its brochure but Toyota is
> silent.
> Comparing new cars, the Toyota in Silver looks nicer, has a drivers power
> seat, radio controls on the steering wheel, and is quieter on the hiway.
> Only things the Honda has that we'd like is telescoping wheel and lighted
> vanity mirrorss (wife, not me).
> tnx
> Hank
> "Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b9Rme.862066$w62.708246@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> We just got a Camry
>> Why? The Camry (used) was a bit cheaper. The t-belted Camry is a
>> noninterference engine, safe if the belt were to break, however, the
>> chain driven (VVIT?) Camry has no EGR system, and no belt to change.
>> These were my choices; and as others said, both fine cars.
>>

Steve

I don't know how they get totally away with the EGR, it has to do with being
able to change the valve timing when it's needed. The belted 4-cylinder
Toyota (2.2) is gone for now, we have the 2.4 chain drive. (supposedly good
for 250,000 miles)
Also note with the Toyota VS Accord. Almost everything on a 4-cyl Toyota a
do-it yourselfer can do. The alternator is in plain site, the starter on
top. Very user friendly. On Honda's you may never know where they stuff an
alternator. Now for those who have to pay for the work, the labor rates are
determined by how hard a job is to do. therefore, the job would be cheaper.
Also, many Honda parts cost more.
--
Stephen W. Hansen
ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
ASE Undercar Specialist




"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:EBZme.749$RV5.322@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Steve
> We're leaning toward a new 05 Camry because a used one with 25,000 miles
> is about 16,000 and a new one with a few more goodies is $18,400. What
> does Camry do instead of EGR? This is one subject I've not seen
> mentioned. I was aware fo the noninterference engine but I don't know if
> 4 cylinder VVIT has a chain or a belt. I did however notice that Honda
> mentions a 110,000 miles service interval in its brochure but Toyota is
> silent.
> Comparing new cars, the Toyota in Silver looks nicer, has a drivers power
> seat, radio controls on the steering wheel, and is quieter on the hiway.
> Only things the Honda has that we'd like is telescoping wheel and lighted
> vanity mirrorss (wife, not me).
> tnx
> Hank
> "Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b9Rme.862066$w62.708246@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> We just got a Camry
>> Why? The Camry (used) was a bit cheaper. The t-belted Camry is a
>> noninterference engine, safe if the belt were to break, however, the
>> chain driven (VVIT?) Camry has no EGR system, and no belt to change.
>> These were my choices; and as others said, both fine cars.
>>

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <GKane.457$pG6.321@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>,
"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> dude buy what u want. toyotas are not as good as honda

Ah, the old Ford vs. Chevy redneck mentality manages to creep in
everywhere.

"Dude", you're an ***.

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <GKane.457$pG6.321@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>,
"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> dude buy what u want. toyotas are not as good as honda

Ah, the old Ford vs. Chevy redneck mentality manages to creep in
everywhere.

"Dude", you're an ***.

Henry Kolesnik

I'll probaly do the regular wear and tear work myself, like changing oil,
filters, brakes, etc. After that there shouldn't be much. On the no EGR
the Camry mechanic told me its a closed system that has been around for a
while. I'm still thinking about getting the 7 year, 100,000 mile warranty
if I can get them down to $1000.00.
Hank
"Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Zmbne.868773$w62.51644@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>I don't know how they get totally away with the EGR, it has to do with
>being able to change the valve timing when it's needed. The belted
>4-cylinder Toyota (2.2) is gone for now, we have the 2.4 chain drive.
>(supposedly good for 250,000 miles)
> Also note with the Toyota VS Accord. Almost everything on a 4-cyl Toyota a
> do-it yourselfer can do. The alternator is in plain site, the starter on
> top. Very user friendly. On Honda's you may never know where they stuff an
> alternator. Now for those who have to pay for the work, the labor rates
> are determined by how hard a job is to do. therefore, the job would be
> cheaper. Also, many Honda parts cost more.
> --
> Stephen W. Hansen
> ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
> ASE Undercar Specialist
>
>
>
>
> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:EBZme.749$RV5.322@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> Steve
>> We're leaning toward a new 05 Camry because a used one with 25,000 miles
>> is about 16,000 and a new one with a few more goodies is $18,400. What
>> does Camry do instead of EGR? This is one subject I've not seen
>> mentioned. I was aware fo the noninterference engine but I don't know if
>> 4 cylinder VVIT has a chain or a belt. I did however notice that Honda
>> mentions a 110,000 miles service interval in its brochure but Toyota is
>> silent.
>> Comparing new cars, the Toyota in Silver looks nicer, has a drivers power
>> seat, radio controls on the steering wheel, and is quieter on the hiway.
>> Only things the Honda has that we'd like is telescoping wheel and lighted
>> vanity mirrorss (wife, not me).
>> tnx
>> Hank
>> "Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:b9Rme.862066$w62.708246@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>> We just got a Camry
>>> Why? The Camry (used) was a bit cheaper. The t-belted Camry is a
>>> noninterference engine, safe if the belt were to break, however, the
>>> chain driven (VVIT?) Camry has no EGR system, and no belt to change.
>>> These were my choices; and as others said, both fine cars.
>>>
>
>

Henry Kolesnik

I'll probaly do the regular wear and tear work myself, like changing oil,
filters, brakes, etc. After that there shouldn't be much. On the no EGR
the Camry mechanic told me its a closed system that has been around for a
while. I'm still thinking about getting the 7 year, 100,000 mile warranty
if I can get them down to $1000.00.
Hank
"Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Zmbne.868773$w62.51644@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>I don't know how they get totally away with the EGR, it has to do with
>being able to change the valve timing when it's needed. The belted
>4-cylinder Toyota (2.2) is gone for now, we have the 2.4 chain drive.
>(supposedly good for 250,000 miles)
> Also note with the Toyota VS Accord. Almost everything on a 4-cyl Toyota a
> do-it yourselfer can do. The alternator is in plain site, the starter on
> top. Very user friendly. On Honda's you may never know where they stuff an
> alternator. Now for those who have to pay for the work, the labor rates
> are determined by how hard a job is to do. therefore, the job would be
> cheaper. Also, many Honda parts cost more.
> --
> Stephen W. Hansen
> ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
> ASE Undercar Specialist
>
>
>
>
> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:EBZme.749$RV5.322@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> Steve
>> We're leaning toward a new 05 Camry because a used one with 25,000 miles
>> is about 16,000 and a new one with a few more goodies is $18,400. What
>> does Camry do instead of EGR? This is one subject I've not seen
>> mentioned. I was aware fo the noninterference engine but I don't know if
>> 4 cylinder VVIT has a chain or a belt. I did however notice that Honda
>> mentions a 110,000 miles service interval in its brochure but Toyota is
>> silent.
>> Comparing new cars, the Toyota in Silver looks nicer, has a drivers power
>> seat, radio controls on the steering wheel, and is quieter on the hiway.
>> Only things the Honda has that we'd like is telescoping wheel and lighted
>> vanity mirrorss (wife, not me).
>> tnx
>> Hank
>> "Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:b9Rme.862066$w62.708246@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>> We just got a Camry
>>> Why? The Camry (used) was a bit cheaper. The t-belted Camry is a
>>> noninterference engine, safe if the belt were to break, however, the
>>> chain driven (VVIT?) Camry has no EGR system, and no belt to change.
>>> These were my choices; and as others said, both fine cars.
>>>
>
>

hondaman

with a name like shagnasty you must be a total retard. take your crappy
attitude to the toyota group or they'll probably tell you the same thing
there.

"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:XCine.1088$RV5.421@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> I'll probaly do the regular wear and tear work myself, like changing oil,
> filters, brakes, etc. After that there shouldn't be much. On the no EGR
> the Camry mechanic told me its a closed system that has been around for a
> while. I'm still thinking about getting the 7 year, 100,000 mile warranty
> if I can get them down to $1000.00.
> Hank
> "Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Zmbne.868773$w62.51644@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>I don't know how they get totally away with the EGR, it has to do with
>>being able to change the valve timing when it's needed. The belted
>>4-cylinder Toyota (2.2) is gone for now, we have the 2.4 chain drive.
>>(supposedly good for 250,000 miles)
>> Also note with the Toyota VS Accord. Almost everything on a 4-cyl Toyota
>> a do-it yourselfer can do. The alternator is in plain site, the starter
>> on top. Very user friendly. On Honda's you may never know where they
>> stuff an alternator. Now for those who have to pay for the work, the
>> labor rates are determined by how hard a job is to do. therefore, the job
>> would be cheaper. Also, many Honda parts cost more.
>> --
>> Stephen W. Hansen
>> ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
>> ASE Undercar Specialist
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:EBZme.749$RV5.322@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com. ..
>>> Steve
>>> We're leaning toward a new 05 Camry because a used one with 25,000 miles
>>> is about 16,000 and a new one with a few more goodies is $18,400. What
>>> does Camry do instead of EGR? This is one subject I've not seen
>>> mentioned. I was aware fo the noninterference engine but I don't know
>>> if 4 cylinder VVIT has a chain or a belt. I did however notice that
>>> Honda mentions a 110,000 miles service interval in its brochure but
>>> Toyota is silent.
>>> Comparing new cars, the Toyota in Silver looks nicer, has a drivers
>>> power seat, radio controls on the steering wheel, and is quieter on the
>>> hiway. Only things the Honda has that we'd like is telescoping wheel and
>>> lighted vanity mirrorss (wife, not me).
>>> tnx
>>> Hank
>>> "Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:b9Rme.862066$w62.708246@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>> We just got a Camry
>>>> Why? The Camry (used) was a bit cheaper. The t-belted Camry is a
>>>> noninterference engine, safe if the belt were to break, however, the
>>>> chain driven (VVIT?) Camry has no EGR system, and no belt to change.
>>>> These were my choices; and as others said, both fine cars.
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>

hondaman

with a name like shagnasty you must be a total retard. take your crappy
attitude to the toyota group or they'll probably tell you the same thing
there.

"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:XCine.1088$RV5.421@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> I'll probaly do the regular wear and tear work myself, like changing oil,
> filters, brakes, etc. After that there shouldn't be much. On the no EGR
> the Camry mechanic told me its a closed system that has been around for a
> while. I'm still thinking about getting the 7 year, 100,000 mile warranty
> if I can get them down to $1000.00.
> Hank
> "Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Zmbne.868773$w62.51644@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>I don't know how they get totally away with the EGR, it has to do with
>>being able to change the valve timing when it's needed. The belted
>>4-cylinder Toyota (2.2) is gone for now, we have the 2.4 chain drive.
>>(supposedly good for 250,000 miles)
>> Also note with the Toyota VS Accord. Almost everything on a 4-cyl Toyota
>> a do-it yourselfer can do. The alternator is in plain site, the starter
>> on top. Very user friendly. On Honda's you may never know where they
>> stuff an alternator. Now for those who have to pay for the work, the
>> labor rates are determined by how hard a job is to do. therefore, the job
>> would be cheaper. Also, many Honda parts cost more.
>> --
>> Stephen W. Hansen
>> ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
>> ASE Undercar Specialist
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:EBZme.749$RV5.322@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com. ..
>>> Steve
>>> We're leaning toward a new 05 Camry because a used one with 25,000 miles
>>> is about 16,000 and a new one with a few more goodies is $18,400. What
>>> does Camry do instead of EGR? This is one subject I've not seen
>>> mentioned. I was aware fo the noninterference engine but I don't know
>>> if 4 cylinder VVIT has a chain or a belt. I did however notice that
>>> Honda mentions a 110,000 miles service interval in its brochure but
>>> Toyota is silent.
>>> Comparing new cars, the Toyota in Silver looks nicer, has a drivers
>>> power seat, radio controls on the steering wheel, and is quieter on the
>>> hiway. Only things the Honda has that we'd like is telescoping wheel and
>>> lighted vanity mirrorss (wife, not me).
>>> tnx
>>> Hank
>>> "Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:b9Rme.862066$w62.708246@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>> We just got a Camry
>>>> Why? The Camry (used) was a bit cheaper. The t-belted Camry is a
>>>> noninterference engine, safe if the belt were to break, however, the
>>>> chain driven (VVIT?) Camry has no EGR system, and no belt to change.
>>>> These were my choices; and as others said, both fine cars.
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <iRkne.1776$4u.1014@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> with a name like shagnasty you must be a total retard. take your crappy
> attitude to the toyota group or they'll probably tell you the same thing
> there.

The fact remains, yer an idiot.

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <iRkne.1776$4u.1014@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> with a name like shagnasty you must be a total retard. take your crappy
> attitude to the toyota group or they'll probably tell you the same thing
> there.

The fact remains, yer an idiot.

MAT

How about the sludgeing probs with Toyota engines? Not applicable to the
new models I hope! My mom got one this year.

MAT

How about the sludgeing probs with Toyota engines? Not applicable to the
new models I hope! My mom got one this year.