Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car. Will these actually do that? I'd
like to get some opinions and experiences from past and existing owners of
these hybrids. I want to hear the good, bad and ugly.

Thanks,
Rick

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22...
> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car. Will these actually do that?
> I'd
> like to get some opinions and experiences from past and existing owners of
> these hybrids. I want to hear the good, bad and ugly.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick
>
>

I'm a Toyota hybrid owner, but I can provide some light.

Yes, they can actually give 60 mpg or more. What you should be prepared for
is that the efficiency edge that allows such numbers is easily compromised.
Short trips and cold weather - especially in combination - really take their
toll (maybe less in the Honda IMA system as opposed to the Toyota THS or SHS
system) and can knock the numbers down 30%. In the same way, higher freeway
speeds will cost you.

The good news is that 30% less than 60 mpg is a very respectable 40+ mpg. My
Toyota normally delivers 46 - 50 mpg around town in good weather, but now
that the temperatures are below freezing and the engine isn't warming up
until I get to work 3 miles away it is not giving quite 40 mpg. When I
consider any other car suffers the same sort of degradation and that very
few could even offer 40 mpg real-world in such service it doesn't bother me.
Most important is that I no longer pay much attention to gas cost; it just
isn't an important part of my budget. I'm spending about a third what I was
when I was driving the Volvo.

At 300 miles per day you should reasonably expect 50 mpg or better. Pay
close attention to tire inflation, though.

More specific to the Insight: Insight drivers have written it is responsive
and fun to drive, but at least one mentioned he parks as far from the crowd
as possible to be merciful to the aluminum body.

Mike

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22...
> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car. Will these actually do that?
> I'd
> like to get some opinions and experiences from past and existing owners of
> these hybrids. I want to hear the good, bad and ugly.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick
>
>

I'm a Toyota hybrid owner, but I can provide some light.

Yes, they can actually give 60 mpg or more. What you should be prepared for
is that the efficiency edge that allows such numbers is easily compromised.
Short trips and cold weather - especially in combination - really take their
toll (maybe less in the Honda IMA system as opposed to the Toyota THS or SHS
system) and can knock the numbers down 30%. In the same way, higher freeway
speeds will cost you.

The good news is that 30% less than 60 mpg is a very respectable 40+ mpg. My
Toyota normally delivers 46 - 50 mpg around town in good weather, but now
that the temperatures are below freezing and the engine isn't warming up
until I get to work 3 miles away it is not giving quite 40 mpg. When I
consider any other car suffers the same sort of degradation and that very
few could even offer 40 mpg real-world in such service it doesn't bother me.
Most important is that I no longer pay much attention to gas cost; it just
isn't an important part of my budget. I'm spending about a third what I was
when I was driving the Volvo.

At 300 miles per day you should reasonably expect 50 mpg or better. Pay
close attention to tire inflation, though.

More specific to the Insight: Insight drivers have written it is responsive
and fun to drive, but at least one mentioned he parks as far from the crowd
as possible to be merciful to the aluminum body.

Mike

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22...
> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car. Will these actually do that?
> I'd
> like to get some opinions and experiences from past and existing owners of
> these hybrids. I want to hear the good, bad and ugly.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick
>
>

I'm a Toyota hybrid owner, but I can provide some light.

Yes, they can actually give 60 mpg or more. What you should be prepared for
is that the efficiency edge that allows such numbers is easily compromised.
Short trips and cold weather - especially in combination - really take their
toll (maybe less in the Honda IMA system as opposed to the Toyota THS or SHS
system) and can knock the numbers down 30%. In the same way, higher freeway
speeds will cost you.

The good news is that 30% less than 60 mpg is a very respectable 40+ mpg. My
Toyota normally delivers 46 - 50 mpg around town in good weather, but now
that the temperatures are below freezing and the engine isn't warming up
until I get to work 3 miles away it is not giving quite 40 mpg. When I
consider any other car suffers the same sort of degradation and that very
few could even offer 40 mpg real-world in such service it doesn't bother me.
Most important is that I no longer pay much attention to gas cost; it just
isn't an important part of my budget. I'm spending about a third what I was
when I was driving the Volvo.

At 300 miles per day you should reasonably expect 50 mpg or better. Pay
close attention to tire inflation, though.

More specific to the Insight: Insight drivers have written it is responsive
and fun to drive, but at least one mentioned he parks as far from the crowd
as possible to be merciful to the aluminum body.

Mike

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22...
> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car. Will these actually do that?
> I'd
> like to get some opinions and experiences from past and existing owners of
> these hybrids. I want to hear the good, bad and ugly.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick
>
>

I'm a Toyota hybrid owner, but I can provide some light.

Yes, they can actually give 60 mpg or more. What you should be prepared for
is that the efficiency edge that allows such numbers is easily compromised.
Short trips and cold weather - especially in combination - really take their
toll (maybe less in the Honda IMA system as opposed to the Toyota THS or SHS
system) and can knock the numbers down 30%. In the same way, higher freeway
speeds will cost you.

The good news is that 30% less than 60 mpg is a very respectable 40+ mpg. My
Toyota normally delivers 46 - 50 mpg around town in good weather, but now
that the temperatures are below freezing and the engine isn't warming up
until I get to work 3 miles away it is not giving quite 40 mpg. When I
consider any other car suffers the same sort of degradation and that very
few could even offer 40 mpg real-world in such service it doesn't bother me.
Most important is that I no longer pay much attention to gas cost; it just
isn't an important part of my budget. I'm spending about a third what I was
when I was driving the Volvo.

At 300 miles per day you should reasonably expect 50 mpg or better. Pay
close attention to tire inflation, though.

More specific to the Insight: Insight drivers have written it is responsive
and fun to drive, but at least one mentioned he parks as far from the crowd
as possible to be merciful to the aluminum body.

Mike

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

In article <kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22>,
"Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote:

> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car.

Get an older Corolla or Civic. Or CRX if you can find it.

The Insight, like any hybrid, is designed for stop and go city driving.
That's where the fuel efficiency comes in. Not on the road.

Unless you're driving 300 miles/day in stop and go traffic?

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

In article <kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22>,
"Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote:

> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car.

Get an older Corolla or Civic. Or CRX if you can find it.

The Insight, like any hybrid, is designed for stop and go city driving.
That's where the fuel efficiency comes in. Not on the road.

Unless you're driving 300 miles/day in stop and go traffic?

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

In article <kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22>,
"Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote:

> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car.

Get an older Corolla or Civic. Or CRX if you can find it.

The Insight, like any hybrid, is designed for stop and go city driving.
That's where the fuel efficiency comes in. Not on the road.

Unless you're driving 300 miles/day in stop and go traffic?

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

In article <kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22>,
"Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote:

> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car.

Get an older Corolla or Civic. Or CRX if you can find it.

The Insight, like any hybrid, is designed for stop and go city driving.
That's where the fuel efficiency comes in. Not on the road.

Unless you're driving 300 miles/day in stop and go traffic?

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

In article <FPOdnaUle_YHXOXYnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@sedona.net>,
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

> Yes, they can actually give 60 mpg or more. What you should be prepared for
> is that the efficiency edge that allows such numbers is easily compromised.
> Short trips and cold weather - especially in combination - really take their
> toll (maybe less in the Honda IMA system as opposed to the Toyota THS or SHS
> system) and can knock the numbers down 30%. In the same way, higher freeway
> speeds will cost you.
>
> The good news is that 30% less than 60 mpg is a very respectable 40+ mpg.

I had a 2000 Honda Accord, a 4 cylinder with manual trans, that got me
35mpg in the summer (A/C on) going through the mountains.

Frankly, I'm not impressed with 40mpg out of a fancy-shmancy hybrid.

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

In article <FPOdnaUle_YHXOXYnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@sedona.net>,
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

> Yes, they can actually give 60 mpg or more. What you should be prepared for
> is that the efficiency edge that allows such numbers is easily compromised.
> Short trips and cold weather - especially in combination - really take their
> toll (maybe less in the Honda IMA system as opposed to the Toyota THS or SHS
> system) and can knock the numbers down 30%. In the same way, higher freeway
> speeds will cost you.
>
> The good news is that 30% less than 60 mpg is a very respectable 40+ mpg.

I had a 2000 Honda Accord, a 4 cylinder with manual trans, that got me
35mpg in the summer (A/C on) going through the mountains.

Frankly, I'm not impressed with 40mpg out of a fancy-shmancy hybrid.

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

In article <FPOdnaUle_YHXOXYnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@sedona.net>,
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

> Yes, they can actually give 60 mpg or more. What you should be prepared for
> is that the efficiency edge that allows such numbers is easily compromised.
> Short trips and cold weather - especially in combination - really take their
> toll (maybe less in the Honda IMA system as opposed to the Toyota THS or SHS
> system) and can knock the numbers down 30%. In the same way, higher freeway
> speeds will cost you.
>
> The good news is that 30% less than 60 mpg is a very respectable 40+ mpg.

I had a 2000 Honda Accord, a 4 cylinder with manual trans, that got me
35mpg in the summer (A/C on) going through the mountains.

Frankly, I'm not impressed with 40mpg out of a fancy-shmancy hybrid.

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

In article <FPOdnaUle_YHXOXYnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@sedona.net>,
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

> Yes, they can actually give 60 mpg or more. What you should be prepared for
> is that the efficiency edge that allows such numbers is easily compromised.
> Short trips and cold weather - especially in combination - really take their
> toll (maybe less in the Honda IMA system as opposed to the Toyota THS or SHS
> system) and can knock the numbers down 30%. In the same way, higher freeway
> speeds will cost you.
>
> The good news is that 30% less than 60 mpg is a very respectable 40+ mpg.

I had a 2000 Honda Accord, a 4 cylinder with manual trans, that got me
35mpg in the summer (A/C on) going through the mountains.

Frankly, I'm not impressed with 40mpg out of a fancy-shmancy hybrid.

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-47EC16.21091107122006@nntp4.usenetserver.com...
> In article <FPOdnaUle_YHXOXYnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@sedona.net>,
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, they can actually give 60 mpg or more. What you should be prepared
>> for
>> is that the efficiency edge that allows such numbers is easily
>> compromised.
>> Short trips and cold weather - especially in combination - really take
>> their
>> toll (maybe less in the Honda IMA system as opposed to the Toyota THS or
>> SHS
>> system) and can knock the numbers down 30%. In the same way, higher
>> freeway
>> speeds will cost you.
>>
>> The good news is that 30% less than 60 mpg is a very respectable 40+ mpg.
>
> I had a 2000 Honda Accord, a 4 cylinder with manual trans, that got me
> 35mpg in the summer (A/C on) going through the mountains.
>
> Frankly, I'm not impressed with 40mpg out of a fancy-shmancy hybrid.
>

That describes the 60 mile round trip from here to Sedona and back - 2500 ft
elevation change, winding highway. The worst I've done on that is just under
50 mpg (four passengers), and the best was just over 60 mpg. If I got only
35 I would be looking to see what was so messed up... maybe parking brake
dragging. What is really impressive is the in-town mileage, where I do most
of my driving. Have you ever been anywhere near 50 mpg in-town - mostly 3
mile trips - over a full tank?

Mike

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-47EC16.21091107122006@nntp4.usenetserver.com...
> In article <FPOdnaUle_YHXOXYnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@sedona.net>,
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, they can actually give 60 mpg or more. What you should be prepared
>> for
>> is that the efficiency edge that allows such numbers is easily
>> compromised.
>> Short trips and cold weather - especially in combination - really take
>> their
>> toll (maybe less in the Honda IMA system as opposed to the Toyota THS or
>> SHS
>> system) and can knock the numbers down 30%. In the same way, higher
>> freeway
>> speeds will cost you.
>>
>> The good news is that 30% less than 60 mpg is a very respectable 40+ mpg.
>
> I had a 2000 Honda Accord, a 4 cylinder with manual trans, that got me
> 35mpg in the summer (A/C on) going through the mountains.
>
> Frankly, I'm not impressed with 40mpg out of a fancy-shmancy hybrid.
>

That describes the 60 mile round trip from here to Sedona and back - 2500 ft
elevation change, winding highway. The worst I've done on that is just under
50 mpg (four passengers), and the best was just over 60 mpg. If I got only
35 I would be looking to see what was so messed up... maybe parking brake
dragging. What is really impressive is the in-town mileage, where I do most
of my driving. Have you ever been anywhere near 50 mpg in-town - mostly 3
mile trips - over a full tank?

Mike