Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-47EC16.21091107122006@nntp4.usenetserver.com...
> In article <FPOdnaUle_YHXOXYnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@sedona.net>,
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, they can actually give 60 mpg or more. What you should be prepared
>> for
>> is that the efficiency edge that allows such numbers is easily
>> compromised.
>> Short trips and cold weather - especially in combination - really take
>> their
>> toll (maybe less in the Honda IMA system as opposed to the Toyota THS or
>> SHS
>> system) and can knock the numbers down 30%. In the same way, higher
>> freeway
>> speeds will cost you.
>>
>> The good news is that 30% less than 60 mpg is a very respectable 40+ mpg.
>
> I had a 2000 Honda Accord, a 4 cylinder with manual trans, that got me
> 35mpg in the summer (A/C on) going through the mountains.
>
> Frankly, I'm not impressed with 40mpg out of a fancy-shmancy hybrid.
>

That describes the 60 mile round trip from here to Sedona and back - 2500 ft
elevation change, winding highway. The worst I've done on that is just under
50 mpg (four passengers), and the best was just over 60 mpg. If I got only
35 I would be looking to see what was so messed up... maybe parking brake
dragging. What is really impressive is the in-town mileage, where I do most
of my driving. Have you ever been anywhere near 50 mpg in-town - mostly 3
mile trips - over a full tank?

Mike

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-47EC16.21091107122006@nntp4.usenetserver.com...
> In article <FPOdnaUle_YHXOXYnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@sedona.net>,
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, they can actually give 60 mpg or more. What you should be prepared
>> for
>> is that the efficiency edge that allows such numbers is easily
>> compromised.
>> Short trips and cold weather - especially in combination - really take
>> their
>> toll (maybe less in the Honda IMA system as opposed to the Toyota THS or
>> SHS
>> system) and can knock the numbers down 30%. In the same way, higher
>> freeway
>> speeds will cost you.
>>
>> The good news is that 30% less than 60 mpg is a very respectable 40+ mpg.
>
> I had a 2000 Honda Accord, a 4 cylinder with manual trans, that got me
> 35mpg in the summer (A/C on) going through the mountains.
>
> Frankly, I'm not impressed with 40mpg out of a fancy-shmancy hybrid.
>

That describes the 60 mile round trip from here to Sedona and back - 2500 ft
elevation change, winding highway. The worst I've done on that is just under
50 mpg (four passengers), and the best was just over 60 mpg. If I got only
35 I would be looking to see what was so messed up... maybe parking brake
dragging. What is really impressive is the in-town mileage, where I do most
of my driving. Have you ever been anywhere near 50 mpg in-town - mostly 3
mile trips - over a full tank?

Mike

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-E73D9C.21075807122006@nntp4.usenetserver.com...
> In article <kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22>,
> "Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
>> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car.
>
> Get an older Corolla or Civic. Or CRX if you can find it.
>
> The Insight, like any hybrid, is designed for stop and go city driving.
> That's where the fuel efficiency comes in. Not on the road.
>
> Unless you're driving 300 miles/day in stop and go traffic?
>

The fuel efficiency on the highway comes from downsizing the engine
(efficiency in an internal combustion engine improves with increasing
manifold pressure). The Insight uses a 1 liter engine augmented by electrics
for responsiveness. That improves highway efficiency to give the EPA rated
65 mpg on the highway. The numbers are for comparison only, but that
compares with the 2005 Civic 1.7L at 38 mpg. That can cut fuel costs 35%,
and that is significant with that many miles per day.

Mike

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-E73D9C.21075807122006@nntp4.usenetserver.com...
> In article <kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22>,
> "Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
>> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car.
>
> Get an older Corolla or Civic. Or CRX if you can find it.
>
> The Insight, like any hybrid, is designed for stop and go city driving.
> That's where the fuel efficiency comes in. Not on the road.
>
> Unless you're driving 300 miles/day in stop and go traffic?
>

The fuel efficiency on the highway comes from downsizing the engine
(efficiency in an internal combustion engine improves with increasing
manifold pressure). The Insight uses a 1 liter engine augmented by electrics
for responsiveness. That improves highway efficiency to give the EPA rated
65 mpg on the highway. The numbers are for comparison only, but that
compares with the 2005 Civic 1.7L at 38 mpg. That can cut fuel costs 35%,
and that is significant with that many miles per day.

Mike

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-E73D9C.21075807122006@nntp4.usenetserver.com...
> In article <kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22>,
> "Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
>> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car.
>
> Get an older Corolla or Civic. Or CRX if you can find it.
>
> The Insight, like any hybrid, is designed for stop and go city driving.
> That's where the fuel efficiency comes in. Not on the road.
>
> Unless you're driving 300 miles/day in stop and go traffic?
>

The fuel efficiency on the highway comes from downsizing the engine
(efficiency in an internal combustion engine improves with increasing
manifold pressure). The Insight uses a 1 liter engine augmented by electrics
for responsiveness. That improves highway efficiency to give the EPA rated
65 mpg on the highway. The numbers are for comparison only, but that
compares with the 2005 Civic 1.7L at 38 mpg. That can cut fuel costs 35%,
and that is significant with that many miles per day.

Mike

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-E73D9C.21075807122006@nntp4.usenetserver.com...
> In article <kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22>,
> "Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
>> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car.
>
> Get an older Corolla or Civic. Or CRX if you can find it.
>
> The Insight, like any hybrid, is designed for stop and go city driving.
> That's where the fuel efficiency comes in. Not on the road.
>
> Unless you're driving 300 miles/day in stop and go traffic?
>

The fuel efficiency on the highway comes from downsizing the engine
(efficiency in an internal combustion engine improves with increasing
manifold pressure). The Insight uses a 1 liter engine augmented by electrics
for responsiveness. That improves highway efficiency to give the EPA rated
65 mpg on the highway. The numbers are for comparison only, but that
compares with the 2005 Civic 1.7L at 38 mpg. That can cut fuel costs 35%,
and that is significant with that many miles per day.

Mike

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:rPqdnRrcz7xmTuXYnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-E73D9C.21075807122006@nntp4.usenetserver.com...
> > In article <kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22>,
> > "Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day
and
> >> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car.
> >
> > Get an older Corolla or Civic. Or CRX if you can find it.
> >
> > The Insight, like any hybrid, is designed for stop and go city driving.
> > That's where the fuel efficiency comes in. Not on the road.
> >
> > Unless you're driving 300 miles/day in stop and go traffic?
> >
>
> The fuel efficiency on the highway comes from downsizing the engine
> (efficiency in an internal combustion engine improves with increasing
> manifold pressure). The Insight uses a 1 liter engine augmented by
electrics
> for responsiveness. That improves highway efficiency to give the EPA rated
> 65 mpg on the highway. The numbers are for comparison only, but that
> compares with the 2005 Civic 1.7L at 38 mpg. That can cut fuel costs 35%,
> and that is significant with that many miles per day.
>
> Mike
>

That's what I'm figuring. With what I would save in fuel cost, I could
almost make the car payment. Had at one time considered the VW diesel, but
with the difference in cost between diesel and gas, almost 50 cents a gallon
around here, I thought a hybrid might be something to think about. There's
somebody that passes me in the morning on I44 with an Insight and that's
what has gotten me to thinking about one of them and of course the fuel
mileage too:) I'm a contract courier so all auto cost are on my
responsibility, including gas. There's no way around it. I'm in the market
for a new, well to me, vehicle. the one I had been driving was getting about
30mpg and I could live with that since I didn't have a payment on it, but
the trannie went out and the car just isn't worth putting a 1000 bucks in
it. Besides the trannie, it was going to need some other odds and ends too.
I've got my moneys worth out of the car, but I'm ready for something
different anyway. Been driving my S10 pickup temporarily, but the fuel costs
is killing me!!!!! I do appreciate all the input and info, thanks!!!!

Rick

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:rPqdnRrcz7xmTuXYnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-E73D9C.21075807122006@nntp4.usenetserver.com...
> > In article <kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22>,
> > "Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day
and
> >> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car.
> >
> > Get an older Corolla or Civic. Or CRX if you can find it.
> >
> > The Insight, like any hybrid, is designed for stop and go city driving.
> > That's where the fuel efficiency comes in. Not on the road.
> >
> > Unless you're driving 300 miles/day in stop and go traffic?
> >
>
> The fuel efficiency on the highway comes from downsizing the engine
> (efficiency in an internal combustion engine improves with increasing
> manifold pressure). The Insight uses a 1 liter engine augmented by
electrics
> for responsiveness. That improves highway efficiency to give the EPA rated
> 65 mpg on the highway. The numbers are for comparison only, but that
> compares with the 2005 Civic 1.7L at 38 mpg. That can cut fuel costs 35%,
> and that is significant with that many miles per day.
>
> Mike
>

That's what I'm figuring. With what I would save in fuel cost, I could
almost make the car payment. Had at one time considered the VW diesel, but
with the difference in cost between diesel and gas, almost 50 cents a gallon
around here, I thought a hybrid might be something to think about. There's
somebody that passes me in the morning on I44 with an Insight and that's
what has gotten me to thinking about one of them and of course the fuel
mileage too:) I'm a contract courier so all auto cost are on my
responsibility, including gas. There's no way around it. I'm in the market
for a new, well to me, vehicle. the one I had been driving was getting about
30mpg and I could live with that since I didn't have a payment on it, but
the trannie went out and the car just isn't worth putting a 1000 bucks in
it. Besides the trannie, it was going to need some other odds and ends too.
I've got my moneys worth out of the car, but I'm ready for something
different anyway. Been driving my S10 pickup temporarily, but the fuel costs
is killing me!!!!! I do appreciate all the input and info, thanks!!!!

Rick

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:rPqdnRrcz7xmTuXYnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-E73D9C.21075807122006@nntp4.usenetserver.com...
> > In article <kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22>,
> > "Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day
and
> >> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car.
> >
> > Get an older Corolla or Civic. Or CRX if you can find it.
> >
> > The Insight, like any hybrid, is designed for stop and go city driving.
> > That's where the fuel efficiency comes in. Not on the road.
> >
> > Unless you're driving 300 miles/day in stop and go traffic?
> >
>
> The fuel efficiency on the highway comes from downsizing the engine
> (efficiency in an internal combustion engine improves with increasing
> manifold pressure). The Insight uses a 1 liter engine augmented by
electrics
> for responsiveness. That improves highway efficiency to give the EPA rated
> 65 mpg on the highway. The numbers are for comparison only, but that
> compares with the 2005 Civic 1.7L at 38 mpg. That can cut fuel costs 35%,
> and that is significant with that many miles per day.
>
> Mike
>

That's what I'm figuring. With what I would save in fuel cost, I could
almost make the car payment. Had at one time considered the VW diesel, but
with the difference in cost between diesel and gas, almost 50 cents a gallon
around here, I thought a hybrid might be something to think about. There's
somebody that passes me in the morning on I44 with an Insight and that's
what has gotten me to thinking about one of them and of course the fuel
mileage too:) I'm a contract courier so all auto cost are on my
responsibility, including gas. There's no way around it. I'm in the market
for a new, well to me, vehicle. the one I had been driving was getting about
30mpg and I could live with that since I didn't have a payment on it, but
the trannie went out and the car just isn't worth putting a 1000 bucks in
it. Besides the trannie, it was going to need some other odds and ends too.
I've got my moneys worth out of the car, but I'm ready for something
different anyway. Been driving my S10 pickup temporarily, but the fuel costs
is killing me!!!!! I do appreciate all the input and info, thanks!!!!

Rick

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:rPqdnRrcz7xmTuXYnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-E73D9C.21075807122006@nntp4.usenetserver.com...
> > In article <kQ2eh.1089982$084.161185@attbi_s22>,
> > "Rick" <cz75fan.mo@mchsi.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day
and
> >> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car.
> >
> > Get an older Corolla or Civic. Or CRX if you can find it.
> >
> > The Insight, like any hybrid, is designed for stop and go city driving.
> > That's where the fuel efficiency comes in. Not on the road.
> >
> > Unless you're driving 300 miles/day in stop and go traffic?
> >
>
> The fuel efficiency on the highway comes from downsizing the engine
> (efficiency in an internal combustion engine improves with increasing
> manifold pressure). The Insight uses a 1 liter engine augmented by
electrics
> for responsiveness. That improves highway efficiency to give the EPA rated
> 65 mpg on the highway. The numbers are for comparison only, but that
> compares with the 2005 Civic 1.7L at 38 mpg. That can cut fuel costs 35%,
> and that is significant with that many miles per day.
>
> Mike
>

That's what I'm figuring. With what I would save in fuel cost, I could
almost make the car payment. Had at one time considered the VW diesel, but
with the difference in cost between diesel and gas, almost 50 cents a gallon
around here, I thought a hybrid might be something to think about. There's
somebody that passes me in the morning on I44 with an Insight and that's
what has gotten me to thinking about one of them and of course the fuel
mileage too:) I'm a contract courier so all auto cost are on my
responsibility, including gas. There's no way around it. I'm in the market
for a new, well to me, vehicle. the one I had been driving was getting about
30mpg and I could live with that since I didn't have a payment on it, but
the trannie went out and the car just isn't worth putting a 1000 bucks in
it. Besides the trannie, it was going to need some other odds and ends too.
I've got my moneys worth out of the car, but I'm ready for something
different anyway. Been driving my S10 pickup temporarily, but the fuel costs
is killing me!!!!! I do appreciate all the input and info, thanks!!!!

Rick

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

Before you even consider an Insight, make sure you drive one, under all your
normal conditions.

Rick wrote:

> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car. Will these actually do that? I'd
> like to get some opinions and experiences from past and existing owners of
> these hybrids. I want to hear the good, bad and ugly.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick

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Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

Before you even consider an Insight, make sure you drive one, under all your
normal conditions.

Rick wrote:

> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car. Will these actually do that? I'd
> like to get some opinions and experiences from past and existing owners of
> these hybrids. I want to hear the good, bad and ugly.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick

--
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----- -\<. -------- __o
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No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

Before you even consider an Insight, make sure you drive one, under all your
normal conditions.

Rick wrote:

> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car. Will these actually do that? I'd
> like to get some opinions and experiences from past and existing owners of
> these hybrids. I want to hear the good, bad and ugly.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick

--
Tp,

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----- -\<. -------- __o
--- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\<.
-------------------- ( )/ ( )
-----------------------------------------

No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...

Re: Any Honda Insight owners here?
 

Before you even consider an Insight, make sure you drive one, under all your
normal conditions.

Rick wrote:

> Been thinking about buying an Insight. I drive about 300 miles a day and
> would sure love to get 60mpg out of a car. Will these actually do that? I'd
> like to get some opinions and experiences from past and existing owners of
> these hybrids. I want to hear the good, bad and ugly.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick

--
Tp,

-------- __o
----- -\<. -------- __o
--- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\<.
-------------------- ( )/ ( )
-----------------------------------------

No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...