Useful Info

Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org

Michael Pardee

"Useful Info" <useful_inf@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
>
>
More spam by the tinfoil hat site. Gotta say, they advertise the normal
stuff and leave teh weird subjects until you actually look at the site.

Mike

Michael Pardee

"Useful Info" <useful_inf@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1180094624.153804.189530@q69g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
>
>
More spam by the tinfoil hat site. Gotta say, they advertise the normal
stuff and leave teh weird subjects until you actually look at the site.

Mike

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:38:44 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:

> "Useful Info" <useful_inf@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1180094624.153804.189530@q69g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
>>
>>
> More spam by the tinfoil hat site. Gotta say, they advertise the normal
> stuff and leave teh weird subjects until you actually look at the site.
>
> Mike


Gee...at my age, I have plenty of...uh "compressed air".
Maybe I ought to look into one of these!

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:38:44 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:

> "Useful Info" <useful_inf@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1180094624.153804.189530@q69g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
>>
>>
> More spam by the tinfoil hat site. Gotta say, they advertise the normal
> stuff and leave teh weird subjects until you actually look at the site.
>
> Mike


Gee...at my age, I have plenty of...uh "compressed air".
Maybe I ought to look into one of these!

Jeff

Uncrossposted.

Hachiroku ハチ�ク wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:38:44 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:
>
>> "Useful Info" <useful_inf@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1180094624.153804.189530@q69g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>>> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
>>>
>>>
>> More spam by the tinfoil hat site. Gotta say, they advertise the normal
>> stuff and leave teh weird subjects until you actually look at the site.
>>
>> Mike
>
>
> Gee...at my age, I have plenty of...uh "compressed air".
> Maybe I ought to look into one of these!

You shouldn't be around my nephew. He's seven. I guarantee you he
doesn't have much compressed air. He lets it out all the time.

Age has nothing to do with it.

Jeff

Jeff

Uncrossposted.

Hachiroku ハチ�ク wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:38:44 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:
>
>> "Useful Info" <useful_inf@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1180094624.153804.189530@q69g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>>> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
>>>
>>>
>> More spam by the tinfoil hat site. Gotta say, they advertise the normal
>> stuff and leave teh weird subjects until you actually look at the site.
>>
>> Mike
>
>
> Gee...at my age, I have plenty of...uh "compressed air".
> Maybe I ought to look into one of these!

You shouldn't be around my nephew. He's seven. I guarantee you he
doesn't have much compressed air. He lets it out all the time.

Age has nothing to do with it.

Jeff

Jim Yanik

Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in news:mkL5i.63$WZ6.23@trnddc03:

> Uncrossposted.
>
> Hachiroku ハチ�ク wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:38:44 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:
>>
>>> "Useful Info" <useful_inf@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1180094624.153804.189530@q69g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>>>> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>> More spam by the tinfoil hat site. Gotta say, they advertise the normal
>>> stuff and leave teh weird subjects until you actually look at the site.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Gee...at my age, I have plenty of...uh "compressed air".
>> Maybe I ought to look into one of these!
>
> You shouldn't be around my nephew. He's seven. I guarantee you he
> doesn't have much compressed air. He lets it out all the time.
>
> Age has nothing to do with it.
>
> Jeff
>

That aint "air". ;-)



(it's a greenhouse gas!)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik

Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in news:mkL5i.63$WZ6.23@trnddc03:

> Uncrossposted.
>
> Hachiroku ハチ�ク wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:38:44 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:
>>
>>> "Useful Info" <useful_inf@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1180094624.153804.189530@q69g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>>>> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>> More spam by the tinfoil hat site. Gotta say, they advertise the normal
>>> stuff and leave teh weird subjects until you actually look at the site.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Gee...at my age, I have plenty of...uh "compressed air".
>> Maybe I ought to look into one of these!
>
> You shouldn't be around my nephew. He's seven. I guarantee you he
> doesn't have much compressed air. He lets it out all the time.
>
> Age has nothing to do with it.
>
> Jeff
>

That aint "air". ;-)



(it's a greenhouse gas!)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Fishface

Michael Pardee wrote:
> More spam by the tinfoil hat site. Gotta say, they advertise the
> normal stuff and leave teh weird subjects until you actually look
> at the site.

So, skip right to the source:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4
A "Beyond Tomorrow" segment, worth the watch.

Fishface

Michael Pardee wrote:
> More spam by the tinfoil hat site. Gotta say, they advertise the
> normal stuff and leave teh weird subjects until you actually look
> at the site.

So, skip right to the source:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4
A "Beyond Tomorrow" segment, worth the watch.

Jeff

Fishface wrote:
> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> More spam by the tinfoil hat site. Gotta say, they advertise the
>> normal stuff and leave teh weird subjects until you actually look
>> at the site.
>
> So, skip right to the source:
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4
> A "Beyond Tomorrow" segment, worth the watch.

I think for things like the fork lifts, as well as lawn mowers, it is a
great thing. It really get rid of fumes and will really help the
environment. All you're doing is taking energy in one form and putting
it in another. I could be wrong, but I don't see how it will increase
fuel efficiency that much. Effectively, you're just making the CO2 at
the electric power plant rather in the car engine (assuming the air is
compressed with electric motors).

I think it has many advantages like weight. And it is probably more
reliable. I mean far fewer parts to break. But, I would have to see the
evidence that it is really that much more efficient to believe it.

Jeff

Jeff

Fishface wrote:
> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> More spam by the tinfoil hat site. Gotta say, they advertise the
>> normal stuff and leave teh weird subjects until you actually look
>> at the site.
>
> So, skip right to the source:
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4
> A "Beyond Tomorrow" segment, worth the watch.

I think for things like the fork lifts, as well as lawn mowers, it is a
great thing. It really get rid of fumes and will really help the
environment. All you're doing is taking energy in one form and putting
it in another. I could be wrong, but I don't see how it will increase
fuel efficiency that much. Effectively, you're just making the CO2 at
the electric power plant rather in the car engine (assuming the air is
compressed with electric motors).

I think it has many advantages like weight. And it is probably more
reliable. I mean far fewer parts to break. But, I would have to see the
evidence that it is really that much more efficient to believe it.

Jeff

Michael Pardee

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b1_5i.3446$D31.888@trnddc01...
>
> I think for things like the fork lifts, as well as lawn mowers, it is a
> great thing. It really get rid of fumes and will really help the
> environment. All you're doing is taking energy in one form and putting it
> in another. I could be wrong, but I don't see how it will increase fuel
> efficiency that much. Effectively, you're just making the CO2 at the
> electric power plant rather in the car engine (assuming the air is
> compressed with electric motors).
>

Worse than that, air (and most gases that have low boiling points) are not
very "elastic." Air has a ratio of specific heats of around 1.4, so about
1/3 of the energy is lost just to the compression and expansion. Batteries
can do a lot better. The compressed air has to be used at raw pressure -
that's the point, after all - and it is very difficult to make motors that
can maintain efficiency over the range of pressures necessary to make the
system work. It's much more like charging a giant, lossy capacitor. I'd be
shocked at getting anything near 50% overall efficiency, something EVs do
with ease.

Mike

Michael Pardee

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b1_5i.3446$D31.888@trnddc01...
>
> I think for things like the fork lifts, as well as lawn mowers, it is a
> great thing. It really get rid of fumes and will really help the
> environment. All you're doing is taking energy in one form and putting it
> in another. I could be wrong, but I don't see how it will increase fuel
> efficiency that much. Effectively, you're just making the CO2 at the
> electric power plant rather in the car engine (assuming the air is
> compressed with electric motors).
>

Worse than that, air (and most gases that have low boiling points) are not
very "elastic." Air has a ratio of specific heats of around 1.4, so about
1/3 of the energy is lost just to the compression and expansion. Batteries
can do a lot better. The compressed air has to be used at raw pressure -
that's the point, after all - and it is very difficult to make motors that
can maintain efficiency over the range of pressures necessary to make the
system work. It's much more like charging a giant, lossy capacitor. I'd be
shocked at getting anything near 50% overall efficiency, something EVs do
with ease.

Mike