Jim Yanik

jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:jfmdnQ3Ai81Y-
KvWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@speakeasy.net:

> On 12/23/2009 08:21 AM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 12/23/2009 07:57 AM, Stewart wrote:
>>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6be1j5916685unm27kkbusgu6q7rhd317t@4ax.com...
>>>> I'm thinking of buying a scanner for my 2003 4cyl Accord LX but also
>>>> want to be able to use it on any newer Hondas I might buy. Any
>>>> recommendations for a non-mechanic ?
>>>>
>>>> Also, on the 2003 Accord, where will this plug in? Thanks.
>>>
>>> I wonder why they just don't put a USB interface in the cars already,
>>> then distribute a program that would read the codes and dive directly
>>> into the troubleshooting of the code based on the car ID.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> car manufacturers fought a common obd standard tooth and nail. its
>> existence is one of the few instances where government actually got it
>> right and could see that fully proprietary coding would be the ultimate
>> in lock-in device and end up costing the consumer up the wazoo. it would
>> also put all the independent repair shops out of business overnight,
>> which is ultimately why we have what we have today.
>>
>> but the car manufacturers still don't like it. the intent of obd has
>> been diluted with all the tier two codes, the "proprietary" codes, which
>> are completely inconsistent. iow, manufacturers, with constant lobbying
>> and back-door influence, want to make it difficult and more expensive
>> for a mom & pop garage to exist, and keep the vehicle coming back to the
>> dealer. you can expect that trend to continue - the nature of politics,
>> influence and business interests being what they are, a fully
>> "universal", accessible-by-anyone software interface will simply never
>> exist.
>>
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091226/...dent_mechanics
>
>
>

Just wait until integrated console controls become wide.
Where a LCD display,touchscreen and microprocessor controls your dash,your
radio,heater,AC,NAV system.etc.
strictly company specific(custom),and once it's out of
production;irreplacable and the death of your car.

Planned obsolesence.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

jim beam

On 12/26/2009 03:45 PM, Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote in news:jfmdnQ3Ai81Y-
> KvWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@speakeasy.net:
>
>> On 12/23/2009 08:21 AM, jim beam wrote:
>>> On 12/23/2009 07:57 AM, Stewart wrote:
>>>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:6be1j5916685unm27kkbusgu6q7rhd317t@4ax.com...
>>>>> I'm thinking of buying a scanner for my 2003 4cyl Accord LX but also
>>>>> want to be able to use it on any newer Hondas I might buy. Any
>>>>> recommendations for a non-mechanic ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, on the 2003 Accord, where will this plug in? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder why they just don't put a USB interface in the cars already,
>>>> then distribute a program that would read the codes and dive directly
>>>> into the troubleshooting of the code based on the car ID.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> car manufacturers fought a common obd standard tooth and nail. its
>>> existence is one of the few instances where government actually got it
>>> right and could see that fully proprietary coding would be the ultimate
>>> in lock-in device and end up costing the consumer up the wazoo. it would
>>> also put all the independent repair shops out of business overnight,
>>> which is ultimately why we have what we have today.
>>>
>>> but the car manufacturers still don't like it. the intent of obd has
>>> been diluted with all the tier two codes, the "proprietary" codes, which
>>> are completely inconsistent. iow, manufacturers, with constant lobbying
>>> and back-door influence, want to make it difficult and more expensive
>>> for a mom& pop garage to exist, and keep the vehicle coming back to the
>>> dealer. you can expect that trend to continue - the nature of politics,
>>> influence and business interests being what they are, a fully
>>> "universal", accessible-by-anyone software interface will simply never
>>> exist.
>>>
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091226/...dent_mechanics
>>
>>
>>
>
> Just wait until integrated console controls become wide.
> Where a LCD display,touchscreen and microprocessor controls your dash,your
> radio,heater,AC,NAV system.etc.
> strictly company specific(custom),and once it's out of
> production;irreplacable and the death of your car.
>
> Planned obsolesence.
>

so why haven't manufacturers programmed in a mileage limit? "100,000
miles and the car dies after next switch-off". they could have done
that 20 years ago.

Jim Yanik

jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:Ct6dnYwRYoO0PqvWnZ2dnUVZ_sJi4p2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> On 12/26/2009 03:45 PM, Jim Yanik wrote:
>> jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote in news:jfmdnQ3Ai81Y-
>> KvWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@speakeasy.net:
>>
>>> On 12/23/2009 08:21 AM, jim beam wrote:
>>>> On 12/23/2009 07:57 AM, Stewart wrote:
>>>>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:6be1j5916685unm27kkbusgu6q7rhd317t@4ax.com...
>>>>>> I'm thinking of buying a scanner for my 2003 4cyl Accord LX but
>>>>>> also want to be able to use it on any newer Hondas I might buy.
>>>>>> Any recommendations for a non-mechanic ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, on the 2003 Accord, where will this plug in? Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder why they just don't put a USB interface in the cars
>>>>> already, then distribute a program that would read the codes and
>>>>> dive directly into the troubleshooting of the code based on the
>>>>> car ID.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> car manufacturers fought a common obd standard tooth and nail. its
>>>> existence is one of the few instances where government actually got
>>>> it right and could see that fully proprietary coding would be the
>>>> ultimate in lock-in device and end up costing the consumer up the
>>>> wazoo. it would also put all the independent repair shops out of
>>>> business overnight, which is ultimately why we have what we have
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>> but the car manufacturers still don't like it. the intent of obd
>>>> has been diluted with all the tier two codes, the "proprietary"
>>>> codes, which are completely inconsistent. iow, manufacturers, with
>>>> constant lobbying and back-door influence, want to make it
>>>> difficult and more expensive for a mom& pop garage to exist, and
>>>> keep the vehicle coming back to the dealer. you can expect that
>>>> trend to continue - the nature of politics, influence and business
>>>> interests being what they are, a fully "universal",
>>>> accessible-by-anyone software interface will simply never exist.
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091226/...pendent_mechan
>>> ics
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Just wait until integrated console controls become wide.
>> Where a LCD display,touchscreen and microprocessor controls your
>> dash,your radio,heater,AC,NAV system.etc.
>> strictly company specific(custom),and once it's out of
>> production;irreplacable and the death of your car.
>>
>> Planned obsolesence.
>>
>
> so why haven't manufacturers programmed in a mileage limit? "100,000
> miles and the car dies after next switch-off". they could have done
> that 20 years ago.
>
>

you're hilarious.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

jim beam

On 12/26/2009 07:26 PM, Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:Ct6dnYwRYoO0PqvWnZ2dnUVZ_sJi4p2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>> On 12/26/2009 03:45 PM, Jim Yanik wrote:
>>> jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote in news:jfmdnQ3Ai81Y-
>>> KvWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@speakeasy.net:
>>>
>>>> On 12/23/2009 08:21 AM, jim beam wrote:
>>>>> On 12/23/2009 07:57 AM, Stewart wrote:
>>>>>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:6be1j5916685unm27kkbusgu6q7rhd317t@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> I'm thinking of buying a scanner for my 2003 4cyl Accord LX but
>>>>>>> also want to be able to use it on any newer Hondas I might buy.
>>>>>>> Any recommendations for a non-mechanic ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, on the 2003 Accord, where will this plug in? Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder why they just don't put a USB interface in the cars
>>>>>> already, then distribute a program that would read the codes and
>>>>>> dive directly into the troubleshooting of the code based on the
>>>>>> car ID.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> car manufacturers fought a common obd standard tooth and nail. its
>>>>> existence is one of the few instances where government actually got
>>>>> it right and could see that fully proprietary coding would be the
>>>>> ultimate in lock-in device and end up costing the consumer up the
>>>>> wazoo. it would also put all the independent repair shops out of
>>>>> business overnight, which is ultimately why we have what we have
>>>>> today.
>>>>>
>>>>> but the car manufacturers still don't like it. the intent of obd
>>>>> has been diluted with all the tier two codes, the "proprietary"
>>>>> codes, which are completely inconsistent. iow, manufacturers, with
>>>>> constant lobbying and back-door influence, want to make it
>>>>> difficult and more expensive for a mom& pop garage to exist, and
>>>>> keep the vehicle coming back to the dealer. you can expect that
>>>>> trend to continue - the nature of politics, influence and business
>>>>> interests being what they are, a fully "universal",
>>>>> accessible-by-anyone software interface will simply never exist.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091226/...pendent_mechan
>>>> ics
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just wait until integrated console controls become wide.
>>> Where a LCD display,touchscreen and microprocessor controls your
>>> dash,your radio,heater,AC,NAV system.etc.
>>> strictly company specific(custom),and once it's out of
>>> production;irreplacable and the death of your car.
>>>
>>> Planned obsolesence.
>>>
>>
>> so why haven't manufacturers programmed in a mileage limit? "100,000
>> miles and the car dies after next switch-off". they could have done
>> that 20 years ago.
>>
>>
>
> you're hilarious.
>

no, i'm absolutely serious. your engine computer can be programmed to
stop running after "x" miles, "y" engine revs, or "z" operation hours.
no problem. you'd never know - your car would simply fail to start
after you've just come out of mcdonalds, [can't have it shut down while
operating and potentially causing a crash] - you'd just have to pay the
dealer $3k to get it going again. that's five lines of code. or less.

Stewart

"E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:C758DC96.14FCA%e.p.meyer@verizon.net...
> On 12/23/09 6:11 PM, in article
> Xns9CEAC380BDF43jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44, "Jim Yanik"
> <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
>
>> "E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:C757B910.14F8F%e.p.meyer@verizon.net:
>>
>>> On 12/23/09 9:57 AM, in article
>>> hgtekh$pmm$1@news.eternal-september.org,
>>> "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Guy" <void@void.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:6be1j5916685unm27kkbusgu6q7rhd317t@4ax.com...
>>>>> I'm thinking of buying a scanner for my 2003 4cyl Accord LX but
>>>>> also
>>>>> want to be able to use it on any newer Hondas I might buy. Any
>>>>> recommendations for a non-mechanic ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, on the 2003 Accord, where will this plug in? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder why they just don't put a USB interface in the cars
>>>> already,
>>>> then distribute a program that would read the codes and dive
>>>> directly
>>>> into the troubleshooting of the code based on the car ID.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect the reason is that they don't WANT a widely distributed
>>> program
>>> out there that can do that.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Google and you will find programs and interface cables to allow
>> your laptop
>> to read the OBD-II codes.They aren't free,however.
>>
>>
>> for starters; http://www.thinkythings.org/obdii/
>>
>> it has links to some commercial products.
>>
>
> I'm aware of those products (snide Google remark notwithstanding),
> but I did
> not get the impression the OP was asking that question. It does
> appear from
> his question that he is not aware the port on all cars since 1995 is
> in fact
> standardized.
>
Most are aware that they had been standardized, but including a USB
port would be a no brainer, considering how prevalent the interface is
these days.