brake problems
#31
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Re: brake problems (warp theory - not space travel)
jim beam wrote:
>
> motsco_ wrote:
> > weasel wrote:
> >> I put cheap rotors on my Accord a year ago ...and they are causing
> >> pedal pulsation.Warped..
> >> But I�ll wait for a bit, because it�s a real pain to change them..
> >
> > ==========================
> >
> > There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
> > that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks
> > to the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy,
> > but possible.
>
> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>
It also would not explain physically measuring the warp with a run-out
gauge. I've measured rotors that had 0.003" - 0.005" or more of warp.
Eric
>
> motsco_ wrote:
> > weasel wrote:
> >> I put cheap rotors on my Accord a year ago ...and they are causing
> >> pedal pulsation.Warped..
> >> But I�ll wait for a bit, because it�s a real pain to change them..
> >
> > ==========================
> >
> > There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
> > that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks
> > to the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy,
> > but possible.
>
> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>
It also would not explain physically measuring the warp with a run-out
gauge. I've measured rotors that had 0.003" - 0.005" or more of warp.
Eric
#32
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Re: brake problems (warp theory - not space travel)
jim beam wrote:
>
> motsco_ wrote:
> > weasel wrote:
> >> I put cheap rotors on my Accord a year ago ...and they are causing
> >> pedal pulsation.Warped..
> >> But I�ll wait for a bit, because it�s a real pain to change them..
> >
> > ==========================
> >
> > There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
> > that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks
> > to the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy,
> > but possible.
>
> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>
It also would not explain physically measuring the warp with a run-out
gauge. I've measured rotors that had 0.003" - 0.005" or more of warp.
Eric
>
> motsco_ wrote:
> > weasel wrote:
> >> I put cheap rotors on my Accord a year ago ...and they are causing
> >> pedal pulsation.Warped..
> >> But I�ll wait for a bit, because it�s a real pain to change them..
> >
> > ==========================
> >
> > There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
> > that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks
> > to the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy,
> > but possible.
>
> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>
It also would not explain physically measuring the warp with a run-out
gauge. I've measured rotors that had 0.003" - 0.005" or more of warp.
Eric
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Re: brake problems (warp theory - not space travel)
jim beam wrote:
>
> motsco_ wrote:
> > weasel wrote:
> >> I put cheap rotors on my Accord a year ago ...and they are causing
> >> pedal pulsation.Warped..
> >> But I�ll wait for a bit, because it�s a real pain to change them..
> >
> > ==========================
> >
> > There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
> > that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks
> > to the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy,
> > but possible.
>
> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>
It also would not explain physically measuring the warp with a run-out
gauge. I've measured rotors that had 0.003" - 0.005" or more of warp.
Eric
>
> motsco_ wrote:
> > weasel wrote:
> >> I put cheap rotors on my Accord a year ago ...and they are causing
> >> pedal pulsation.Warped..
> >> But I�ll wait for a bit, because it�s a real pain to change them..
> >
> > ==========================
> >
> > There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
> > that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks
> > to the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy,
> > but possible.
>
> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>
It also would not explain physically measuring the warp with a run-out
gauge. I've measured rotors that had 0.003" - 0.005" or more of warp.
Eric
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Re: brake problems (warp theory - not space travel)
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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> motsco_ wrote:
>>
>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>> possible.
>
> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>
That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
on the lug nuts.
Mike
news:u72dnT-bf_biKyfYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> motsco_ wrote:
>>
>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>> possible.
>
> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>
That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
on the lug nuts.
Mike
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Re: brake problems (warp theory - not space travel)
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:u72dnT-bf_biKyfYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> motsco_ wrote:
>>
>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>> possible.
>
> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>
That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
on the lug nuts.
Mike
news:u72dnT-bf_biKyfYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> motsco_ wrote:
>>
>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>> possible.
>
> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>
That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
on the lug nuts.
Mike
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Re: brake problems (warp theory - not space travel)
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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> motsco_ wrote:
>>
>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>> possible.
>
> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>
That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
on the lug nuts.
Mike
news:u72dnT-bf_biKyfYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> motsco_ wrote:
>>
>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>> possible.
>
> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>
That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
on the lug nuts.
Mike
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Re: brake problems (warp theory - not space travel)
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:u72dnT-bf_biKyfYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> motsco_ wrote:
>>
>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>> possible.
>
> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>
That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
on the lug nuts.
Mike
news:u72dnT-bf_biKyfYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> motsco_ wrote:
>>
>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>> possible.
>
> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>
That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
on the lug nuts.
Mike
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Re: brake problems (warp theory - not space travel)
motsco_ <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in news:12rlcl4fcn0l60
@corp.supernews.com:
> weasel wrote:
>> I put cheap rotors on my Accord a year ago ...and they are causing
>> pedal pulsation.Warped..
>> But I’ll wait for a bit, because it’s a real pain to change them..
>
> ==========================
>
> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks
> to the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy,
> but possible.
>
> Best explanation I've seen yet.
>
> Anybody have that link ? ? ??
>
See this excellent and comprehensive writeup:
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
@corp.supernews.com:
> weasel wrote:
>> I put cheap rotors on my Accord a year ago ...and they are causing
>> pedal pulsation.Warped..
>> But I’ll wait for a bit, because it’s a real pain to change them..
>
> ==========================
>
> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks
> to the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy,
> but possible.
>
> Best explanation I've seen yet.
>
> Anybody have that link ? ? ??
>
See this excellent and comprehensive writeup:
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
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Re: brake problems (warp theory - not space travel)
motsco_ <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in news:12rlcl4fcn0l60
@corp.supernews.com:
> weasel wrote:
>> I put cheap rotors on my Accord a year ago ...and they are causing
>> pedal pulsation.Warped..
>> But I’ll wait for a bit, because it’s a real pain to change them..
>
> ==========================
>
> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks
> to the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy,
> but possible.
>
> Best explanation I've seen yet.
>
> Anybody have that link ? ? ??
>
See this excellent and comprehensive writeup:
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
@corp.supernews.com:
> weasel wrote:
>> I put cheap rotors on my Accord a year ago ...and they are causing
>> pedal pulsation.Warped..
>> But I’ll wait for a bit, because it’s a real pain to change them..
>
> ==========================
>
> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks
> to the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy,
> but possible.
>
> Best explanation I've seen yet.
>
> Anybody have that link ? ? ??
>
See this excellent and comprehensive writeup:
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
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Re: brake problems (warp theory - not space travel)
motsco_ <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in news:12rlcl4fcn0l60
@corp.supernews.com:
> weasel wrote:
>> I put cheap rotors on my Accord a year ago ...and they are causing
>> pedal pulsation.Warped..
>> But I’ll wait for a bit, because it’s a real pain to change them..
>
> ==========================
>
> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks
> to the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy,
> but possible.
>
> Best explanation I've seen yet.
>
> Anybody have that link ? ? ??
>
See this excellent and comprehensive writeup:
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
@corp.supernews.com:
> weasel wrote:
>> I put cheap rotors on my Accord a year ago ...and they are causing
>> pedal pulsation.Warped..
>> But I’ll wait for a bit, because it’s a real pain to change them..
>
> ==========================
>
> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks
> to the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy,
> but possible.
>
> Best explanation I've seen yet.
>
> Anybody have that link ? ? ??
>
See this excellent and comprehensive writeup:
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
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Re: brake problems (warp theory - not space travel)
motsco_ <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in news:12rlcl4fcn0l60
@corp.supernews.com:
> weasel wrote:
>> I put cheap rotors on my Accord a year ago ...and they are causing
>> pedal pulsation.Warped..
>> But I’ll wait for a bit, because it’s a real pain to change them..
>
> ==========================
>
> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks
> to the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy,
> but possible.
>
> Best explanation I've seen yet.
>
> Anybody have that link ? ? ??
>
See this excellent and comprehensive writeup:
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
@corp.supernews.com:
> weasel wrote:
>> I put cheap rotors on my Accord a year ago ...and they are causing
>> pedal pulsation.Warped..
>> But I’ll wait for a bit, because it’s a real pain to change them..
>
> ==========================
>
> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks
> to the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy,
> but possible.
>
> Best explanation I've seen yet.
>
> Anybody have that link ? ? ??
>
See this excellent and comprehensive writeup:
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
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Re: brake problems (warp theory - not space travel)
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:u72dnT-bf_biKyfYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> motsco_ wrote:
>>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>>> possible.
>> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>>
>
> That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
> have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
> notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
> on the lug nuts.
>
and that's the #1 solution for a honda! but the antiseize thing
definitely helps too. i've proven this to myself several times now - i
had tires rebalanced on my civic and aside from crossing threads on the
lug nuts, the monkeys that put the wheels back on with an impact driver
created instantly "warped" disks. and i mean instantly. driving in,
they were perfect, driving out, you thought the car was going to fall
apart when you hit the brakes at speed. unfortunately, i didn't have
time to attend to it right away, so when i did get the chance to
re-torque, despite a couple of attempts with the torque wrench, it was
much better, but not perfect. i wondered if the usage in that condition
had permanently ruined them. finally, i scraped everything off and
smeared a little antiseize on the hub face where the wheel goes, and
suddenly, those "warped" disks were perfectly smooth again.
i think some people are skeptical about how much torque affects
"warping" on hondas [tegger], but if you come from the frozen north and
habitually use antiseize anyway, i think you won't notice it as much.
likewise when you fit new disks, they're coated in a thin layer of
anti-rust which is also a lubricant, and they seat properly. it's only
when the hub faces lose the lubricant and corrode a little that the
problem is so bad. here in california, while it's great our cars don't
rust like they do up north, we consequently don't use antiseize very
often and this brake thing seems to be a real problem. from now on,
it's /always/ going to be on my hubs - and i use a torque wrench.
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:u72dnT-bf_biKyfYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> motsco_ wrote:
>>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>>> possible.
>> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>>
>
> That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
> have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
> notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
> on the lug nuts.
>
and that's the #1 solution for a honda! but the antiseize thing
definitely helps too. i've proven this to myself several times now - i
had tires rebalanced on my civic and aside from crossing threads on the
lug nuts, the monkeys that put the wheels back on with an impact driver
created instantly "warped" disks. and i mean instantly. driving in,
they were perfect, driving out, you thought the car was going to fall
apart when you hit the brakes at speed. unfortunately, i didn't have
time to attend to it right away, so when i did get the chance to
re-torque, despite a couple of attempts with the torque wrench, it was
much better, but not perfect. i wondered if the usage in that condition
had permanently ruined them. finally, i scraped everything off and
smeared a little antiseize on the hub face where the wheel goes, and
suddenly, those "warped" disks were perfectly smooth again.
i think some people are skeptical about how much torque affects
"warping" on hondas [tegger], but if you come from the frozen north and
habitually use antiseize anyway, i think you won't notice it as much.
likewise when you fit new disks, they're coated in a thin layer of
anti-rust which is also a lubricant, and they seat properly. it's only
when the hub faces lose the lubricant and corrode a little that the
problem is so bad. here in california, while it's great our cars don't
rust like they do up north, we consequently don't use antiseize very
often and this brake thing seems to be a real problem. from now on,
it's /always/ going to be on my hubs - and i use a torque wrench.
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Re: brake problems (warp theory - not space travel)
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:u72dnT-bf_biKyfYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> motsco_ wrote:
>>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>>> possible.
>> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>>
>
> That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
> have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
> notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
> on the lug nuts.
>
and that's the #1 solution for a honda! but the antiseize thing
definitely helps too. i've proven this to myself several times now - i
had tires rebalanced on my civic and aside from crossing threads on the
lug nuts, the monkeys that put the wheels back on with an impact driver
created instantly "warped" disks. and i mean instantly. driving in,
they were perfect, driving out, you thought the car was going to fall
apart when you hit the brakes at speed. unfortunately, i didn't have
time to attend to it right away, so when i did get the chance to
re-torque, despite a couple of attempts with the torque wrench, it was
much better, but not perfect. i wondered if the usage in that condition
had permanently ruined them. finally, i scraped everything off and
smeared a little antiseize on the hub face where the wheel goes, and
suddenly, those "warped" disks were perfectly smooth again.
i think some people are skeptical about how much torque affects
"warping" on hondas [tegger], but if you come from the frozen north and
habitually use antiseize anyway, i think you won't notice it as much.
likewise when you fit new disks, they're coated in a thin layer of
anti-rust which is also a lubricant, and they seat properly. it's only
when the hub faces lose the lubricant and corrode a little that the
problem is so bad. here in california, while it's great our cars don't
rust like they do up north, we consequently don't use antiseize very
often and this brake thing seems to be a real problem. from now on,
it's /always/ going to be on my hubs - and i use a torque wrench.
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:u72dnT-bf_biKyfYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> motsco_ wrote:
>>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>>> possible.
>> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>>
>
> That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
> have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
> notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
> on the lug nuts.
>
and that's the #1 solution for a honda! but the antiseize thing
definitely helps too. i've proven this to myself several times now - i
had tires rebalanced on my civic and aside from crossing threads on the
lug nuts, the monkeys that put the wheels back on with an impact driver
created instantly "warped" disks. and i mean instantly. driving in,
they were perfect, driving out, you thought the car was going to fall
apart when you hit the brakes at speed. unfortunately, i didn't have
time to attend to it right away, so when i did get the chance to
re-torque, despite a couple of attempts with the torque wrench, it was
much better, but not perfect. i wondered if the usage in that condition
had permanently ruined them. finally, i scraped everything off and
smeared a little antiseize on the hub face where the wheel goes, and
suddenly, those "warped" disks were perfectly smooth again.
i think some people are skeptical about how much torque affects
"warping" on hondas [tegger], but if you come from the frozen north and
habitually use antiseize anyway, i think you won't notice it as much.
likewise when you fit new disks, they're coated in a thin layer of
anti-rust which is also a lubricant, and they seat properly. it's only
when the hub faces lose the lubricant and corrode a little that the
problem is so bad. here in california, while it's great our cars don't
rust like they do up north, we consequently don't use antiseize very
often and this brake thing seems to be a real problem. from now on,
it's /always/ going to be on my hubs - and i use a torque wrench.
#44
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Posts: n/a
Re: brake problems (warp theory - not space travel)
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:u72dnT-bf_biKyfYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> motsco_ wrote:
>>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>>> possible.
>> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>>
>
> That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
> have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
> notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
> on the lug nuts.
>
and that's the #1 solution for a honda! but the antiseize thing
definitely helps too. i've proven this to myself several times now - i
had tires rebalanced on my civic and aside from crossing threads on the
lug nuts, the monkeys that put the wheels back on with an impact driver
created instantly "warped" disks. and i mean instantly. driving in,
they were perfect, driving out, you thought the car was going to fall
apart when you hit the brakes at speed. unfortunately, i didn't have
time to attend to it right away, so when i did get the chance to
re-torque, despite a couple of attempts with the torque wrench, it was
much better, but not perfect. i wondered if the usage in that condition
had permanently ruined them. finally, i scraped everything off and
smeared a little antiseize on the hub face where the wheel goes, and
suddenly, those "warped" disks were perfectly smooth again.
i think some people are skeptical about how much torque affects
"warping" on hondas [tegger], but if you come from the frozen north and
habitually use antiseize anyway, i think you won't notice it as much.
likewise when you fit new disks, they're coated in a thin layer of
anti-rust which is also a lubricant, and they seat properly. it's only
when the hub faces lose the lubricant and corrode a little that the
problem is so bad. here in california, while it's great our cars don't
rust like they do up north, we consequently don't use antiseize very
often and this brake thing seems to be a real problem. from now on,
it's /always/ going to be on my hubs - and i use a torque wrench.
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:u72dnT-bf_biKyfYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> motsco_ wrote:
>>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>>> possible.
>> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>>
>
> That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
> have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
> notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
> on the lug nuts.
>
and that's the #1 solution for a honda! but the antiseize thing
definitely helps too. i've proven this to myself several times now - i
had tires rebalanced on my civic and aside from crossing threads on the
lug nuts, the monkeys that put the wheels back on with an impact driver
created instantly "warped" disks. and i mean instantly. driving in,
they were perfect, driving out, you thought the car was going to fall
apart when you hit the brakes at speed. unfortunately, i didn't have
time to attend to it right away, so when i did get the chance to
re-torque, despite a couple of attempts with the torque wrench, it was
much better, but not perfect. i wondered if the usage in that condition
had permanently ruined them. finally, i scraped everything off and
smeared a little antiseize on the hub face where the wheel goes, and
suddenly, those "warped" disks were perfectly smooth again.
i think some people are skeptical about how much torque affects
"warping" on hondas [tegger], but if you come from the frozen north and
habitually use antiseize anyway, i think you won't notice it as much.
likewise when you fit new disks, they're coated in a thin layer of
anti-rust which is also a lubricant, and they seat properly. it's only
when the hub faces lose the lubricant and corrode a little that the
problem is so bad. here in california, while it's great our cars don't
rust like they do up north, we consequently don't use antiseize very
often and this brake thing seems to be a real problem. from now on,
it's /always/ going to be on my hubs - and i use a torque wrench.
#45
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Posts: n/a
Re: brake problems (warp theory - not space travel)
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:u72dnT-bf_biKyfYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> motsco_ wrote:
>>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>>> possible.
>> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>>
>
> That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
> have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
> notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
> on the lug nuts.
>
and that's the #1 solution for a honda! but the antiseize thing
definitely helps too. i've proven this to myself several times now - i
had tires rebalanced on my civic and aside from crossing threads on the
lug nuts, the monkeys that put the wheels back on with an impact driver
created instantly "warped" disks. and i mean instantly. driving in,
they were perfect, driving out, you thought the car was going to fall
apart when you hit the brakes at speed. unfortunately, i didn't have
time to attend to it right away, so when i did get the chance to
re-torque, despite a couple of attempts with the torque wrench, it was
much better, but not perfect. i wondered if the usage in that condition
had permanently ruined them. finally, i scraped everything off and
smeared a little antiseize on the hub face where the wheel goes, and
suddenly, those "warped" disks were perfectly smooth again.
i think some people are skeptical about how much torque affects
"warping" on hondas [tegger], but if you come from the frozen north and
habitually use antiseize anyway, i think you won't notice it as much.
likewise when you fit new disks, they're coated in a thin layer of
anti-rust which is also a lubricant, and they seat properly. it's only
when the hub faces lose the lubricant and corrode a little that the
problem is so bad. here in california, while it's great our cars don't
rust like they do up north, we consequently don't use antiseize very
often and this brake thing seems to be a real problem. from now on,
it's /always/ going to be on my hubs - and i use a torque wrench.
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:u72dnT-bf_biKyfYnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> motsco_ wrote:
>>> There was a very good discussion last fall (with links to various sites)
>>> that dispelled the 'warped' theory (for me). Crap from the pads sticks to
>>> the rotor making it glazed, which makes it grabby. Cure wasn't easy, but
>>> possible.
>> that can happen, but it's not the sole cause.
>>
>
> That's my take on pedal pulsations: there are probably multiple defects that
> have the same symptoms... or at least close enough to the same that we don't
> notice. My brakes worked a lot better after I started using a torque wrench
> on the lug nuts.
>
and that's the #1 solution for a honda! but the antiseize thing
definitely helps too. i've proven this to myself several times now - i
had tires rebalanced on my civic and aside from crossing threads on the
lug nuts, the monkeys that put the wheels back on with an impact driver
created instantly "warped" disks. and i mean instantly. driving in,
they were perfect, driving out, you thought the car was going to fall
apart when you hit the brakes at speed. unfortunately, i didn't have
time to attend to it right away, so when i did get the chance to
re-torque, despite a couple of attempts with the torque wrench, it was
much better, but not perfect. i wondered if the usage in that condition
had permanently ruined them. finally, i scraped everything off and
smeared a little antiseize on the hub face where the wheel goes, and
suddenly, those "warped" disks were perfectly smooth again.
i think some people are skeptical about how much torque affects
"warping" on hondas [tegger], but if you come from the frozen north and
habitually use antiseize anyway, i think you won't notice it as much.
likewise when you fit new disks, they're coated in a thin layer of
anti-rust which is also a lubricant, and they seat properly. it's only
when the hub faces lose the lubricant and corrode a little that the
problem is so bad. here in california, while it's great our cars don't
rust like they do up north, we consequently don't use antiseize very
often and this brake thing seems to be a real problem. from now on,
it's /always/ going to be on my hubs - and i use a torque wrench.