Randolph

Jafir Elkurd wrote:
>
> Is your third brake light bulb out (the one in the rear window) ?

Good call. According to the wiring diagram, some models run the high
mounted brake light through the lamp failure sensor, others do not even
show the high mounted brake light (I could never figure out the KB, KE,
KF, KG, KP, KQ, KS, KT, KU, KW, KY etc. designations).

Randolph

Jafir Elkurd wrote:
>
> Is your third brake light bulb out (the one in the rear window) ?

Good call. According to the wiring diagram, some models run the high
mounted brake light through the lamp failure sensor, others do not even
show the high mounted brake light (I could never figure out the KB, KE,
KF, KG, KP, KQ, KS, KT, KU, KW, KY etc. designations).

Randolph

chasa@rcn.com wrote:
>
> Honda uses special brake light bulbs because there is a relay coil in
> series with each bulb. I will guess the bulbs see about 9 volts and
> the relay coil sees 3 volts.....together they see 12 volts.
>
> The relays, there is one for each tail light, turn on that red light
> on the dash if they do not sense a properly operating bulb.
>
> Honda tail light bulbs cost more than regular tail light bulbs.

The '92 Accord uses quite ordinary 2057 dual filament bulbs that you can
buy anywhere.

"Normal" relays are designed to have a certain voltage across the coil
(e.g. ~12V for automotive relays). It is desierable with a high coil
resustance for low power draw (fixed voltage => want to minimize current
for low power consumption). The relays in the relays in the lamp failure
units have low resistance coils. They see hefty currents (several amps)
and have small voltage drops across them (fixed current => want to
minimize voltage for low power consumption).

Randolph

chasa@rcn.com wrote:
>
> Honda uses special brake light bulbs because there is a relay coil in
> series with each bulb. I will guess the bulbs see about 9 volts and
> the relay coil sees 3 volts.....together they see 12 volts.
>
> The relays, there is one for each tail light, turn on that red light
> on the dash if they do not sense a properly operating bulb.
>
> Honda tail light bulbs cost more than regular tail light bulbs.

The '92 Accord uses quite ordinary 2057 dual filament bulbs that you can
buy anywhere.

"Normal" relays are designed to have a certain voltage across the coil
(e.g. ~12V for automotive relays). It is desierable with a high coil
resustance for low power draw (fixed voltage => want to minimize current
for low power consumption). The relays in the relays in the lamp failure
units have low resistance coils. They see hefty currents (several amps)
and have small voltage drops across them (fixed current => want to
minimize voltage for low power consumption).

Randolph

DaveT wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, instead of 2-P connector it's suppose to be 8-P connector....
> "DaveT" <bgates@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:dNmHd.16936$wi2.1465@newssvr11.news.prodigy.c om...
> > OK, I think I worded the post wrong. Here it goes again....
> >
> > I replaced my left side 2-P connector with a ride side 2-P connector
> > because the left side one was corroded and I couldn't twist the bulb loose
> > to replace. I went to a junk yard and only found right side ones. So now
> > my car has 2 right side 2-P connectors. I did change the bulb, but
> > supposedly it was the correct one. I read on one post that if the bulb is
> > not the correct one, even though everything works fine the sensors will
> > detect a difference. Is that true?

The left and right connectors are the same, but the wiring is different.
This may be a dumb question, but when you put a right-side connector on
the left side, perhaps some wires were swapped by inadvertently
following the wire colors rather than carefully mapping the wire
locations in the connector?

As for bulbs, if the bulb has a lower power rating than the original
bulb it would draw less current. If the current is too low, the bulb
failure circuit can detect this as a broken bulb. Sylvania lists 2057 as
the correct brake light bulb for the '92 Accord in the US.

Randolph

DaveT wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, instead of 2-P connector it's suppose to be 8-P connector....
> "DaveT" <bgates@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:dNmHd.16936$wi2.1465@newssvr11.news.prodigy.c om...
> > OK, I think I worded the post wrong. Here it goes again....
> >
> > I replaced my left side 2-P connector with a ride side 2-P connector
> > because the left side one was corroded and I couldn't twist the bulb loose
> > to replace. I went to a junk yard and only found right side ones. So now
> > my car has 2 right side 2-P connectors. I did change the bulb, but
> > supposedly it was the correct one. I read on one post that if the bulb is
> > not the correct one, even though everything works fine the sensors will
> > detect a difference. Is that true?

The left and right connectors are the same, but the wiring is different.
This may be a dumb question, but when you put a right-side connector on
the left side, perhaps some wires were swapped by inadvertently
following the wire colors rather than carefully mapping the wire
locations in the connector?

As for bulbs, if the bulb has a lower power rating than the original
bulb it would draw less current. If the current is too low, the bulb
failure circuit can detect this as a broken bulb. Sylvania lists 2057 as
the correct brake light bulb for the '92 Accord in the US.

motsco_ _

DaveT wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> I recently changed the back left bulb wire on my 92 Accord. I couldn't find
> a left-side one, so I used a right-side one on the left side. All the rear
> lights work, but inside the cabin on the dash the little red brake lamp
> light is on. I know it's no big deal as long as everything works, but IT
> ANNOYING AS HELL!!! How could I fix this?
>
> Dave


----------------------------

The manual says that low brake fluid in the reservoir will turn the lamp
on, even if all else is OK, or am I thinking of another BRAKE lamp?

'Curly'

motsco_ _

DaveT wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> I recently changed the back left bulb wire on my 92 Accord. I couldn't find
> a left-side one, so I used a right-side one on the left side. All the rear
> lights work, but inside the cabin on the dash the little red brake lamp
> light is on. I know it's no big deal as long as everything works, but IT
> ANNOYING AS HELL!!! How could I fix this?
>
> Dave


----------------------------

The manual says that low brake fluid in the reservoir will turn the lamp
on, even if all else is OK, or am I thinking of another BRAKE lamp?

'Curly'

Jafir Elkurd

In the US you are supposed to have KA (49-50 state), KL (California), and in
the old days KH (high altitude). Most of the other designations are
probably European or Asian cars.


"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:41EF6CC3.55053B5B@junkmail.com...
>
> Jafir Elkurd wrote:
>>
>> Is your third brake light bulb out (the one in the rear window) ?
>
> Good call. According to the wiring diagram, some models run the high
> mounted brake light through the lamp failure sensor, others do not even
> show the high mounted brake light (I could never figure out the KB, KE,
> KF, KG, KP, KQ, KS, KT, KU, KW, KY etc. designations).

Jafir Elkurd

In the US you are supposed to have KA (49-50 state), KL (California), and in
the old days KH (high altitude). Most of the other designations are
probably European or Asian cars.


"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:41EF6CC3.55053B5B@junkmail.com...
>
> Jafir Elkurd wrote:
>>
>> Is your third brake light bulb out (the one in the rear window) ?
>
> Good call. According to the wiring diagram, some models run the high
> mounted brake light through the lamp failure sensor, others do not even
> show the high mounted brake light (I could never figure out the KB, KE,
> KF, KG, KP, KQ, KS, KT, KU, KW, KY etc. designations).

Jafir Elkurd

I agree.

Every Honda I have ever worked with used bulbs you could buy just about
anywhere. The only bulbs that were special were the ones in the interior,
and you can even find many of those aftermarket.

> The '92 Accord uses quite ordinary 2057 dual filament bulbs that you can
> buy anywhere.
>

Jafir Elkurd

I agree.

Every Honda I have ever worked with used bulbs you could buy just about
anywhere. The only bulbs that were special were the ones in the interior,
and you can even find many of those aftermarket.

> The '92 Accord uses quite ordinary 2057 dual filament bulbs that you can
> buy anywhere.
>

Randolph

motsco_ _ wrote:
>
> DaveT wrote:
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > I recently changed the back left bulb wire on my 92 Accord. I couldn't find
> > a left-side one, so I used a right-side one on the left side. All the rear
> > lights work, but inside the cabin on the dash the little red brake lamp
> > light is on. I know it's no big deal as long as everything works, but IT
> > ANNOYING AS HELL!!! How could I fix this?
> >
> > Dave
>
> ----------------------------
>
> The manual says that low brake fluid in the reservoir will turn the lamp
> on, even if all else is OK, or am I thinking of another BRAKE lamp?
>
> 'Curly'

I believe you are thinking about the "other" brake light. The Accord has
the normal "Brake" light that comes on when the parking brake is on or
when the fluid is low. It also has a "Brake Lamp" light that indicates a
broken brake light bulb

Randolph

motsco_ _ wrote:
>
> DaveT wrote:
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > I recently changed the back left bulb wire on my 92 Accord. I couldn't find
> > a left-side one, so I used a right-side one on the left side. All the rear
> > lights work, but inside the cabin on the dash the little red brake lamp
> > light is on. I know it's no big deal as long as everything works, but IT
> > ANNOYING AS HELL!!! How could I fix this?
> >
> > Dave
>
> ----------------------------
>
> The manual says that low brake fluid in the reservoir will turn the lamp
> on, even if all else is OK, or am I thinking of another BRAKE lamp?
>
> 'Curly'

I believe you are thinking about the "other" brake light. The Accord has
the normal "Brake" light that comes on when the parking brake is on or
when the fluid is low. It also has a "Brake Lamp" light that indicates a
broken brake light bulb

DaveT

So everyone is pretty much sure it's a thing with the bulbs (which I checked
and both are the 2057 model but one is bigger than the other) and not the
fact that I'm using two right side connectors. So there really is no left
side and right side connector? They both are the same ?




"DaveT" <bgates@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:l7QGd.18829$iC4.6380@newssvr30.news.prodigy.c om...
> Hey guys,
>
> I recently changed the back left bulb wire on my 92 Accord. I couldn't
> find a left-side one, so I used a right-side one on the left side. All the
> rear lights work, but inside the cabin on the dash the little red brake
> lamp light is on. I know it's no big deal as long as everything works, but
> IT ANNOYING AS HELL!!! How could I fix this?
>
> Dave
>