Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

jim beam wrote:

>> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day :)
>
>
> i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
> enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
> matters more.

Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD :)

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

jim beam wrote:

>> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day :)
>
>
> i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
> enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
> matters more.

Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD :)

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

jim beam wrote:

>> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day :)
>
>
> i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
> enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
> matters more.

Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD :)

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Matt Ion wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>
> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day :)
> >
> >
> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
> > matters more.
>
> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD :)

Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
torque split
between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
can't have it all...
Unless you get an Evo!!!

Controllable drifts? Check.
Razorblade steering precision? Check!
Decent shifter? Check.
Gobs of power? Check.
Affordability? Can't have it all after all.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Matt Ion wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>
> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day :)
> >
> >
> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
> > matters more.
>
> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD :)

Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
torque split
between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
can't have it all...
Unless you get an Evo!!!

Controllable drifts? Check.
Razorblade steering precision? Check!
Decent shifter? Check.
Gobs of power? Check.
Affordability? Can't have it all after all.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Matt Ion wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>
> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day :)
> >
> >
> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
> > matters more.
>
> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD :)

Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
torque split
between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
can't have it all...
Unless you get an Evo!!!

Controllable drifts? Check.
Razorblade steering precision? Check!
Decent shifter? Check.
Gobs of power? Check.
Affordability? Can't have it all after all.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Matt Ion wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day :)
>> >
>> >
>> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
>> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
>> > matters more.
>>
>> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
>> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
>> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD :)
>
>Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
>torque split
>between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
>can't have it all...
>Unless you get an Evo!!!
>
>Controllable drifts? Check.
>Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>Decent shifter? Check.
>Gobs of power? Check.
>Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
reliability...
build quality...
maintaince

the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
(anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
15-20k miles

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Matt Ion wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day :)
>> >
>> >
>> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
>> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
>> > matters more.
>>
>> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
>> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
>> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD :)
>
>Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
>torque split
>between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
>can't have it all...
>Unless you get an Evo!!!
>
>Controllable drifts? Check.
>Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>Decent shifter? Check.
>Gobs of power? Check.
>Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
reliability...
build quality...
maintaince

the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
(anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
15-20k miles

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Matt Ion wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day :)
>> >
>> >
>> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
>> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
>> > matters more.
>>
>> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
>> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
>> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD :)
>
>Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
>torque split
>between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
>can't have it all...
>Unless you get an Evo!!!
>
>Controllable drifts? Check.
>Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>Decent shifter? Check.
>Gobs of power? Check.
>Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
reliability...
build quality...
maintaince

the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
(anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
15-20k miles

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

flobert wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Matt Ion wrote:
> >> jim beam wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day :)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
> >> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
> >> > matters more.
> >>
> >> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
> >> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
> >> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD :)
> >
> >Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
> >torque split
> >between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
> >can't have it all...
> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
> >
> >Controllable drifts? Check.
> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
> >Decent shifter? Check.
> >Gobs of power? Check.
> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
> reliability...
> build quality...
> maintaince
>
> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
> 15-20k miles

Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
raced it
I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

flobert wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Matt Ion wrote:
> >> jim beam wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day :)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
> >> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
> >> > matters more.
> >>
> >> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
> >> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
> >> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD :)
> >
> >Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
> >torque split
> >between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
> >can't have it all...
> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
> >
> >Controllable drifts? Check.
> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
> >Decent shifter? Check.
> >Gobs of power? Check.
> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
> reliability...
> build quality...
> maintaince
>
> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
> 15-20k miles

Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
raced it
I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

flobert wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Matt Ion wrote:
> >> jim beam wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day :)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
> >> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
> >> > matters more.
> >>
> >> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
> >> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
> >> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD :)
> >
> >Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
> >torque split
> >between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
> >can't have it all...
> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
> >
> >Controllable drifts? Check.
> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
> >Decent shifter? Check.
> >Gobs of power? Check.
> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
> reliability...
> build quality...
> maintaince
>
> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
> 15-20k miles

Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
raced it
I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>flobert wrote:
>> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Matt Ion wrote:
<snip>
>> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
>> >
>> >Controllable drifts? Check.
>> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>> >Decent shifter? Check.
>> >Gobs of power? Check.
>> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
>> reliability...
>> build quality...
>> maintaince
>>
>> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
>> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
>> 15-20k miles
>
>Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
>raced it
>I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

As the british Motoring Journalist Jeremy Clarckson has found out,
Warentees have their down sides too.

His ford GT has been in quite a few times now, and whilst its been in,
whats he got to replce it from the dealer... a ford focus estate
diesel (station wagon)

imagine you take your FQ400 in, because its broken again, and whilst
its being worked on, you get some boring small bottom of the rage
loaner. Still happy about your buy? Still happy when it seems you
drive the laoners more than the car you bought?

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>flobert wrote:
>> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Matt Ion wrote:
<snip>
>> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
>> >
>> >Controllable drifts? Check.
>> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>> >Decent shifter? Check.
>> >Gobs of power? Check.
>> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
>> reliability...
>> build quality...
>> maintaince
>>
>> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
>> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
>> 15-20k miles
>
>Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
>raced it
>I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

As the british Motoring Journalist Jeremy Clarckson has found out,
Warentees have their down sides too.

His ford GT has been in quite a few times now, and whilst its been in,
whats he got to replce it from the dealer... a ford focus estate
diesel (station wagon)

imagine you take your FQ400 in, because its broken again, and whilst
its being worked on, you get some boring small bottom of the rage
loaner. Still happy about your buy? Still happy when it seems you
drive the laoners more than the car you bought?

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>flobert wrote:
>> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Matt Ion wrote:
<snip>
>> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
>> >
>> >Controllable drifts? Check.
>> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>> >Decent shifter? Check.
>> >Gobs of power? Check.
>> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
>> reliability...
>> build quality...
>> maintaince
>>
>> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
>> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
>> 15-20k miles
>
>Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
>raced it
>I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

As the british Motoring Journalist Jeremy Clarckson has found out,
Warentees have their down sides too.

His ford GT has been in quite a few times now, and whilst its been in,
whats he got to replce it from the dealer... a ford focus estate
diesel (station wagon)

imagine you take your FQ400 in, because its broken again, and whilst
its being worked on, you get some boring small bottom of the rage
loaner. Still happy about your buy? Still happy when it seems you
drive the laoners more than the car you bought?

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

I picked up my Fit 07 this evening. I got the Sport Auto. Had to wait
almost 2 months for it! Drives well, the engine seems to rev up a bit
when starting up. Ride is a bit firm - comparable to a 1992 2 door
civic. Seats are firm, but very supporting and one gets used to them
real fast.
Visibility is excellent as is handling.

I paid $399 - dealer conveyance fee over the MSRP. If I'd waited, or
shopped around a bit I might have saved part of that - but I wanted the
car sight unseen.

No misgivings so far (touch wood!)

flobert wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:37:25 -0400, "G-Man" <shoot.digital@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >My son and I test drove a WRX a few months ago when we were shopping for a
> >new car for him for graduation.
> >
> >Fast? Oh yeah.
> >
> >But it was put together like the cheapo civic DX and even shutting the doors
> >sounded tinny. The inside was nothing to write home about. I guess if you
> >want raw power, it's for you. Personally I like a balance of both.
>
> They're designed, based on the trim level/spec to be a road legal
> track car. As such creature comforts that add weight, like the
> soundproofing, and all that, are taken out.
>
> friend of a friend ran a hillclimb car (60's mini) - you had to wear
> radio headsets inside your helmets to talk between the ocupants,
> because it was too noisy otherwise. Thats how such cars are.
>
> Drove a Metro 6R4 groupB rally car from the early/mid 80s a few yewars
> back, you couldn't hear anything in that thing, and it was fast as
> hell - 80's civic hatchback size, 450+hp, and 4WD. was banned from
> rallys for being too fast and so too dangerous. At the time, they were
> able to lap silverstone in them within about 10-15 seconds of the
> formula1 cars. but noisy - hell yeah!
>
> >
> >He ended up getting an EX-V6 4 door Accord 6-Spd.
> >
> >G-Man
> >
> >
> >"Spaz" <yea@right.com> wrote in message
> >news:rc-dnTUEbNHSOQjZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> And here it is!!!!
> >>
> >> http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/disp...er=upcomingMS3
> >>
> >> BYE BYE, HONDA FIT!!!!
> >>
> >

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

I picked up my Fit 07 this evening. I got the Sport Auto. Had to wait
almost 2 months for it! Drives well, the engine seems to rev up a bit
when starting up. Ride is a bit firm - comparable to a 1992 2 door
civic. Seats are firm, but very supporting and one gets used to them
real fast.
Visibility is excellent as is handling.

I paid $399 - dealer conveyance fee over the MSRP. If I'd waited, or
shopped around a bit I might have saved part of that - but I wanted the
car sight unseen.

No misgivings so far (touch wood!)

flobert wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:37:25 -0400, "G-Man" <shoot.digital@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >My son and I test drove a WRX a few months ago when we were shopping for a
> >new car for him for graduation.
> >
> >Fast? Oh yeah.
> >
> >But it was put together like the cheapo civic DX and even shutting the doors
> >sounded tinny. The inside was nothing to write home about. I guess if you
> >want raw power, it's for you. Personally I like a balance of both.
>
> They're designed, based on the trim level/spec to be a road legal
> track car. As such creature comforts that add weight, like the
> soundproofing, and all that, are taken out.
>
> friend of a friend ran a hillclimb car (60's mini) - you had to wear
> radio headsets inside your helmets to talk between the ocupants,
> because it was too noisy otherwise. Thats how such cars are.
>
> Drove a Metro 6R4 groupB rally car from the early/mid 80s a few yewars
> back, you couldn't hear anything in that thing, and it was fast as
> hell - 80's civic hatchback size, 450+hp, and 4WD. was banned from
> rallys for being too fast and so too dangerous. At the time, they were
> able to lap silverstone in them within about 10-15 seconds of the
> formula1 cars. but noisy - hell yeah!
>
> >
> >He ended up getting an EX-V6 4 door Accord 6-Spd.
> >
> >G-Man
> >
> >
> >"Spaz" <yea@right.com> wrote in message
> >news:rc-dnTUEbNHSOQjZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> And here it is!!!!
> >>
> >> http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/disp...er=upcomingMS3
> >>
> >> BYE BYE, HONDA FIT!!!!
> >>
> >

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

I picked up my Fit 07 this evening. I got the Sport Auto. Had to wait
almost 2 months for it! Drives well, the engine seems to rev up a bit
when starting up. Ride is a bit firm - comparable to a 1992 2 door
civic. Seats are firm, but very supporting and one gets used to them
real fast.
Visibility is excellent as is handling.

I paid $399 - dealer conveyance fee over the MSRP. If I'd waited, or
shopped around a bit I might have saved part of that - but I wanted the
car sight unseen.

No misgivings so far (touch wood!)

flobert wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:37:25 -0400, "G-Man" <shoot.digital@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >My son and I test drove a WRX a few months ago when we were shopping for a
> >new car for him for graduation.
> >
> >Fast? Oh yeah.
> >
> >But it was put together like the cheapo civic DX and even shutting the doors
> >sounded tinny. The inside was nothing to write home about. I guess if you
> >want raw power, it's for you. Personally I like a balance of both.
>
> They're designed, based on the trim level/spec to be a road legal
> track car. As such creature comforts that add weight, like the
> soundproofing, and all that, are taken out.
>
> friend of a friend ran a hillclimb car (60's mini) - you had to wear
> radio headsets inside your helmets to talk between the ocupants,
> because it was too noisy otherwise. Thats how such cars are.
>
> Drove a Metro 6R4 groupB rally car from the early/mid 80s a few yewars
> back, you couldn't hear anything in that thing, and it was fast as
> hell - 80's civic hatchback size, 450+hp, and 4WD. was banned from
> rallys for being too fast and so too dangerous. At the time, they were
> able to lap silverstone in them within about 10-15 seconds of the
> formula1 cars. but noisy - hell yeah!
>
> >
> >He ended up getting an EX-V6 4 door Accord 6-Spd.
> >
> >G-Man
> >
> >
> >"Spaz" <yea@right.com> wrote in message
> >news:rc-dnTUEbNHSOQjZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> And here it is!!!!
> >>
> >> http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/disp...er=upcomingMS3
> >>
> >> BYE BYE, HONDA FIT!!!!
> >>
> >

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>flobert wrote:
>> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Matt Ion wrote:
>> >> jim beam wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day :)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
>> >> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
>> >> > matters more.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
>> >> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
>> >> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD :)
>> >
>> >Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
>> >torque split
>> >between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
>> >can't have it all...
>> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
>> >
>> >Controllable drifts? Check.
>> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>> >Decent shifter? Check.
>> >Gobs of power? Check.
>> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
>> reliability...
>> build quality...
>> maintaince
>>
>> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
>> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
>> 15-20k miles
>
>Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
>raced it
>I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

I recall an article (WSJ?) on how some car companies (and I think
Mitsubishi was specifically mentioned) would take note of participants
in all racing events down to the autocross level and deny any warranty
claims based on participation.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>flobert wrote:
>> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Matt Ion wrote:
>> >> jim beam wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day :)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
>> >> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
>> >> > matters more.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
>> >> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
>> >> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD :)
>> >
>> >Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
>> >torque split
>> >between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
>> >can't have it all...
>> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
>> >
>> >Controllable drifts? Check.
>> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>> >Decent shifter? Check.
>> >Gobs of power? Check.
>> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
>> reliability...
>> build quality...
>> maintaince
>>
>> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
>> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
>> 15-20k miles
>
>Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
>raced it
>I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

I recall an article (WSJ?) on how some car companies (and I think
Mitsubishi was specifically mentioned) would take note of participants
in all racing events down to the autocross level and deny any warranty
claims based on participation.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>flobert wrote:
>> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Matt Ion wrote:
>> >> jim beam wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day :)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
>> >> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
>> >> > matters more.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
>> >> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
>> >> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD :)
>> >
>> >Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
>> >torque split
>> >between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
>> >can't have it all...
>> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
>> >
>> >Controllable drifts? Check.
>> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>> >Decent shifter? Check.
>> >Gobs of power? Check.
>> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
>> reliability...
>> build quality...
>> maintaince
>>
>> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
>> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
>> 15-20k miles
>
>Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
>raced it
>I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

I recall an article (WSJ?) on how some car companies (and I think
Mitsubishi was specifically mentioned) would take note of participants
in all racing events down to the autocross level and deny any warranty
claims based on participation.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Gordon McGrew wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

> I recall an article (WSJ?) on how some car companies (and I think
> Mitsubishi was specifically mentioned) would take note of participants
> in all racing events down to the autocross level and deny any warranty
> claims based on participation.

that's fine. I have no money to blow on the track/autocross anyway.
and i haven't heard many horror stories about evo reliability.
do you have links?

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Gordon McGrew wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

> I recall an article (WSJ?) on how some car companies (and I think
> Mitsubishi was specifically mentioned) would take note of participants
> in all racing events down to the autocross level and deny any warranty
> claims based on participation.

that's fine. I have no money to blow on the track/autocross anyway.
and i haven't heard many horror stories about evo reliability.
do you have links?

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Gordon McGrew wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

> I recall an article (WSJ?) on how some car companies (and I think
> Mitsubishi was specifically mentioned) would take note of participants
> in all racing events down to the autocross level and deny any warranty
> claims based on participation.

that's fine. I have no money to blow on the track/autocross anyway.
and i haven't heard many horror stories about evo reliability.
do you have links?

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

"sapper" <sapper268@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150857015.819457.127560@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
> I paid $399 - dealer conveyance fee over the MSRP. If I'd waited, or
> shopped around a bit I might have saved part of that - but I wanted the
> car sight unseen.

I'm sure glad I'm not stupid enough to do that.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

"sapper" <sapper268@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I paid $399 - dealer conveyance fee over the MSRP. If I'd waited, or
> shopped around a bit I might have saved part of that - but I wanted the
> car sight unseen.

I'm sure glad I'm not stupid enough to do that.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

"sapper" <sapper268@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150857015.819457.127560@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
> I paid $399 - dealer conveyance fee over the MSRP. If I'd waited, or
> shopped around a bit I might have saved part of that - but I wanted the
> car sight unseen.

I'm sure glad I'm not stupid enough to do that.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Spaz wrote:
> "sapper" <sapper268@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1150857015.819457.127560@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > I paid $399 - dealer conveyance fee over the MSRP. If I'd waited, or
> > shopped around a bit I might have saved part of that - but I wanted the
> > car sight unseen.
>
> I'm sure glad I'm not stupid enough to do that.
^^^^^^
I think "Impatient" would be more fitting.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Spaz wrote:
> "sapper" <sapper268@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1150857015.819457.127560@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > I paid $399 - dealer conveyance fee over the MSRP. If I'd waited, or
> > shopped around a bit I might have saved part of that - but I wanted the
> > car sight unseen.
>
> I'm sure glad I'm not stupid enough to do that.
^^^^^^
I think "Impatient" would be more fitting.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Spaz wrote:
> "sapper" <sapper268@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1150857015.819457.127560@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > I paid $399 - dealer conveyance fee over the MSRP. If I'd waited, or
> > shopped around a bit I might have saved part of that - but I wanted the
> > car sight unseen.
>
> I'm sure glad I'm not stupid enough to do that.
^^^^^^
I think "Impatient" would be more fitting.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

On 20 Jun 2006 21:40:36 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Gordon McGrew wrote:
>> On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I recall an article (WSJ?) on how some car companies (and I think
>> Mitsubishi was specifically mentioned) would take note of participants
>> in all racing events down to the autocross level and deny any warranty
>> claims based on participation.
>
>that's fine. I have no money to blow on the track/autocross anyway.
>and i haven't heard many horror stories about evo reliability.
>do you have links?



Well, this is what I found with a Google search:

This is from a defunct web page:

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache...s&ct=clnk&cd=3

WARNING WILL ROBINSON!!
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!!

Just got an official reply to my nice little letter to the president
of
Mitsubishi, asking him to honor my warranty claim.

Here's part of the letter from the customer connections manager:

"It is our determination that the damage done to your vehicle was
directly
related to the use of your vehicle for racing. Your website posts
times,
location, and duration of contests."*

I never told them I had a website, so this confirms all the rumors
we've
been hearing that Mitsubishi monitors our activities, at tracks and on
the
Web.

My advice to all of you is:

1. Do not ever buy a new car with a Mitsubishi warranty. If you want
an
Evo or a Lancer or whatever, buy it used from a General Motors dealer,
and
then purchase the GM aftermarket warranty. GM's warranty is the best
in the
business.

2. If you road race, drag race, autocross, or indulge in any other
motorsport, be aware that Mitsubishi observes some of these events in
person, and notes what Mitsu vehicles are competing.

3. If you communicate on our discussion groups, better get an alias.
Big
Brother is watching this forum and all other lists. They identify us
by
name, car, etc., and use the information to deny warranty claims.
Rumors
have been flying that they deny ALL claims, not just on equipment that
could possibly be damaged by racing.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

On 20 Jun 2006 21:40:36 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Gordon McGrew wrote:
>> On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I recall an article (WSJ?) on how some car companies (and I think
>> Mitsubishi was specifically mentioned) would take note of participants
>> in all racing events down to the autocross level and deny any warranty
>> claims based on participation.
>
>that's fine. I have no money to blow on the track/autocross anyway.
>and i haven't heard many horror stories about evo reliability.
>do you have links?



Well, this is what I found with a Google search:

This is from a defunct web page:

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache...s&ct=clnk&cd=3

WARNING WILL ROBINSON!!
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!!

Just got an official reply to my nice little letter to the president
of
Mitsubishi, asking him to honor my warranty claim.

Here's part of the letter from the customer connections manager:

"It is our determination that the damage done to your vehicle was
directly
related to the use of your vehicle for racing. Your website posts
times,
location, and duration of contests."*

I never told them I had a website, so this confirms all the rumors
we've
been hearing that Mitsubishi monitors our activities, at tracks and on
the
Web.

My advice to all of you is:

1. Do not ever buy a new car with a Mitsubishi warranty. If you want
an
Evo or a Lancer or whatever, buy it used from a General Motors dealer,
and
then purchase the GM aftermarket warranty. GM's warranty is the best
in the
business.

2. If you road race, drag race, autocross, or indulge in any other
motorsport, be aware that Mitsubishi observes some of these events in
person, and notes what Mitsu vehicles are competing.

3. If you communicate on our discussion groups, better get an alias.
Big
Brother is watching this forum and all other lists. They identify us
by
name, car, etc., and use the information to deny warranty claims.
Rumors
have been flying that they deny ALL claims, not just on equipment that
could possibly be damaged by racing.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

On 20 Jun 2006 21:40:36 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Gordon McGrew wrote:
>> On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I recall an article (WSJ?) on how some car companies (and I think
>> Mitsubishi was specifically mentioned) would take note of participants
>> in all racing events down to the autocross level and deny any warranty
>> claims based on participation.
>
>that's fine. I have no money to blow on the track/autocross anyway.
>and i haven't heard many horror stories about evo reliability.
>do you have links?



Well, this is what I found with a Google search:

This is from a defunct web page:

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache...s&ct=clnk&cd=3

WARNING WILL ROBINSON!!
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!!

Just got an official reply to my nice little letter to the president
of
Mitsubishi, asking him to honor my warranty claim.

Here's part of the letter from the customer connections manager:

"It is our determination that the damage done to your vehicle was
directly
related to the use of your vehicle for racing. Your website posts
times,
location, and duration of contests."*

I never told them I had a website, so this confirms all the rumors
we've
been hearing that Mitsubishi monitors our activities, at tracks and on
the
Web.

My advice to all of you is:

1. Do not ever buy a new car with a Mitsubishi warranty. If you want
an
Evo or a Lancer or whatever, buy it used from a General Motors dealer,
and
then purchase the GM aftermarket warranty. GM's warranty is the best
in the
business.

2. If you road race, drag race, autocross, or indulge in any other
motorsport, be aware that Mitsubishi observes some of these events in
person, and notes what Mitsu vehicles are competing.

3. If you communicate on our discussion groups, better get an alias.
Big
Brother is watching this forum and all other lists. They identify us
by
name, car, etc., and use the information to deny warranty claims.
Rumors
have been flying that they deny ALL claims, not just on equipment that
could possibly be damaged by racing.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Gordon McGrew wrote:

> WARNING WILL ROBINSON!!
> BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!!
>
> Just got an official reply to my nice little letter to the president
> of Mitsubishi, asking him to honor my warranty claim.
>
> Here's part of the letter from the customer connections manager:
>
> "It is our determination that the damage done to your vehicle was
> directly related to the use of your vehicle for racing. Your website
> posts times, location, and duration of contests."*
>
> I never told them I had a website, so this confirms all the rumors
> we've been hearing that Mitsubishi monitors our activities, at tracks
> and on the Web.

I think my next reply to Mitsubishi would be to request their proof that
the car in question was actually involved in racing itself, including
identifiable video or photos showing the VIN plate...

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Gordon McGrew wrote:

> WARNING WILL ROBINSON!!
> BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!!
>
> Just got an official reply to my nice little letter to the president
> of Mitsubishi, asking him to honor my warranty claim.
>
> Here's part of the letter from the customer connections manager:
>
> "It is our determination that the damage done to your vehicle was
> directly related to the use of your vehicle for racing. Your website
> posts times, location, and duration of contests."*
>
> I never told them I had a website, so this confirms all the rumors
> we've been hearing that Mitsubishi monitors our activities, at tracks
> and on the Web.

I think my next reply to Mitsubishi would be to request their proof that
the car in question was actually involved in racing itself, including
identifiable video or photos showing the VIN plate...

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Gordon McGrew wrote:

> WARNING WILL ROBINSON!!
> BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!!
>
> Just got an official reply to my nice little letter to the president
> of Mitsubishi, asking him to honor my warranty claim.
>
> Here's part of the letter from the customer connections manager:
>
> "It is our determination that the damage done to your vehicle was
> directly related to the use of your vehicle for racing. Your website
> posts times, location, and duration of contests."*
>
> I never told them I had a website, so this confirms all the rumors
> we've been hearing that Mitsubishi monitors our activities, at tracks
> and on the Web.

I think my next reply to Mitsubishi would be to request their proof that
the car in question was actually involved in racing itself, including
identifiable video or photos showing the VIN plate...

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Gordon McGrew wrote:

> 2. If you road race, drag race, autocross, or indulge in any other
> motorsport, be aware that Mitsubishi observes some of these events in
> person, and notes what Mitsu vehicles are competing.
>
> 3. If you communicate on our discussion groups, better get an alias.
> Big
> Brother is watching this forum and all other lists. They identify us
> by

Maybe time to use cars for transportation (what they're really all
about) and not racing.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Gordon McGrew wrote:

> 2. If you road race, drag race, autocross, or indulge in any other
> motorsport, be aware that Mitsubishi observes some of these events in
> person, and notes what Mitsu vehicles are competing.
>
> 3. If you communicate on our discussion groups, better get an alias.
> Big
> Brother is watching this forum and all other lists. They identify us
> by

Maybe time to use cars for transportation (what they're really all
about) and not racing.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Gordon McGrew wrote:

> 2. If you road race, drag race, autocross, or indulge in any other
> motorsport, be aware that Mitsubishi observes some of these events in
> person, and notes what Mitsu vehicles are competing.
>
> 3. If you communicate on our discussion groups, better get an alias.
> Big
> Brother is watching this forum and all other lists. They identify us
> by

Maybe time to use cars for transportation (what they're really all
about) and not racing.

Re: Bye Bye Honda Fit! Helllllllllooooooooooo Mazdaspeed3!!!!!
 

Gordon McGrew wrote:
> On 20 Jun 2006 21:40:36 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Gordon McGrew wrote:
>>
>>>On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I recall an article (WSJ?) on how some car companies (and I think
>>>Mitsubishi was specifically mentioned) would take note of participants
>>>in all racing events down to the autocross level and deny any warranty
>>>claims based on participation.
>>
>>that's fine. I have no money to blow on the track/autocross anyway.
>>and i haven't heard many horror stories about evo reliability.
>>do you have links?
>
>
>
>
> Well, this is what I found with a Google search:
>
> This is from a defunct web page:
>
> http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache...s&ct=clnk&cd=3
>
> WARNING WILL ROBINSON!!
> BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!!
>
> Just got an official reply to my nice little letter to the president
> of
> Mitsubishi, asking him to honor my warranty claim.
>
> Here's part of the letter from the customer connections manager:
>
> "It is our determination that the damage done to your vehicle was
> directly
> related to the use of your vehicle for racing. Your website posts
> times,
> location, and duration of contests."*
>
> I never told them I had a website, so this confirms all the rumors
> we've
> been hearing that Mitsubishi monitors our activities, at tracks and on
> the
> Web.
>
> My advice to all of you is:
>
> 1. Do not ever buy a new car with a Mitsubishi warranty. If you want
> an
> Evo or a Lancer or whatever, buy it used from a General Motors dealer,
> and
> then purchase the GM aftermarket warranty. GM's warranty is the best
> in the
> business.
>
> 2. If you road race, drag race, autocross, or indulge in any other
> motorsport, be aware that Mitsubishi observes some of these events in
> person, and notes what Mitsu vehicles are competing.
>
> 3. If you communicate on our discussion groups, better get an alias.
> Big
> Brother is watching this forum and all other lists. They identify us
> by
> name, car, etc., and use the information to deny warranty claims.
> Rumors
> have been flying that they deny ALL claims, not just on equipment that
> could possibly be damaged by racing.
>
they have to prove it. just 'cos you raced a mitsu doesn't mean it's
the same vehicle as affected by a warranty issue. heck, if you're a
mitsu fan, you'll have two or three of them, one for towing the racer to
events, one for the wife, etc. denial based on "inconclusive" web
browsing is a try-on. and they know it. don't take "no" for an answer.
you have rights in this matter. exercise them.