Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Hi.
My '05 Accord has provided reliability beyond my expecations. I have
many miles on it, since purchasing it new.

It's an LX 4 cyl, with a 5sp. Everything works well.

I am just wondering if I can upgrade to discs in the back, and have
these questions:

1) Do I have to change the front discs to match the rear ones?
2) Can I also have installed EBD (electronic brake distribution)?
3) Will the stock steel wheels fit once new rotors/caiper assemblies
are installed?

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

harley_davidsonX@mailcity.com (Hrundi V. Bakshi) wrote in
news:464b64d8.8759555@news.east.earthlink.net:

> Hi.
> My '05 Accord has provided reliability beyond my expecations. I have
> many miles on it, since purchasing it new.
>
> It's an LX 4 cyl, with a 5sp. Everything works well.
>
> I am just wondering if I can upgrade to discs in the back, and have
> these questions:
>
> 1) Do I have to change the front discs to match the rear ones?
> 2) Can I also have installed EBD (electronic brake distribution)?
> 3) Will the stock steel wheels fit once new rotors/caiper assemblies
> are installed?
>
>



Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots more
maintenance headaches.

Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

harley_davidsonX@mailcity.com (Hrundi V. Bakshi) wrote in
news:464b64d8.8759555@news.east.earthlink.net:

> Hi.
> My '05 Accord has provided reliability beyond my expecations. I have
> many miles on it, since purchasing it new.
>
> It's an LX 4 cyl, with a 5sp. Everything works well.
>
> I am just wondering if I can upgrade to discs in the back, and have
> these questions:
>
> 1) Do I have to change the front discs to match the rear ones?
> 2) Can I also have installed EBD (electronic brake distribution)?
> 3) Will the stock steel wheels fit once new rotors/caiper assemblies
> are installed?
>
>



Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots more
maintenance headaches.

Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Tegger wrote:

>
> Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots more
> maintenance headaches.
>
> Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
> they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>

Out of curiosity, what maintenance issues are there? I have never serviced
a set or rear discs, as this is my first car that came with them, but I
have always hated working on drums. Front discs are extremely easy to work
on, so what makes the rear harder?

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Tegger wrote:

>
> Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots more
> maintenance headaches.
>
> Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
> they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>

Out of curiosity, what maintenance issues are there? I have never serviced
a set or rear discs, as this is my first car that came with them, but I
have always hated working on drums. Front discs are extremely easy to work
on, so what makes the rear harder?

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

On Wed, 16 May 2007 21:11:58 +0000, Hrundi V. Bakshi wrote:

> Hi.
> My '05 Accord has provided reliability beyond my expecations. I have many
> miles on it, since purchasing it new.
>
> It's an LX 4 cyl, with a 5sp. Everything works well.
>
> I am just wondering if I can upgrade to discs in the back, and have these
> questions:
>
> 1) Do I have to change the front discs to match the rear ones? 2) Can I
> also have installed EBD (electronic brake distribution)? 3) Will the
> stock steel wheels fit once new rotors/caiper assemblies are installed?


This means at least changing the rear spindles, and perhaps other
suspension components. Also, a new proportioning valve, maybe a master
cylinder, and a whole slew of other parts.

My experience has been that discs are easier to work on, but that drums
also do a fine job of bringing the car to a stop. Unless you're adding
other mods to the car (increasing HP, lowering, etc) don't bother! Honda
knows what they're doing!

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

On Wed, 16 May 2007 21:11:58 +0000, Hrundi V. Bakshi wrote:

> Hi.
> My '05 Accord has provided reliability beyond my expecations. I have many
> miles on it, since purchasing it new.
>
> It's an LX 4 cyl, with a 5sp. Everything works well.
>
> I am just wondering if I can upgrade to discs in the back, and have these
> questions:
>
> 1) Do I have to change the front discs to match the rear ones? 2) Can I
> also have installed EBD (electronic brake distribution)? 3) Will the
> stock steel wheels fit once new rotors/caiper assemblies are installed?


This means at least changing the rear spindles, and perhaps other
suspension components. Also, a new proportioning valve, maybe a master
cylinder, and a whole slew of other parts.

My experience has been that discs are easier to work on, but that drums
also do a fine job of bringing the car to a stop. Unless you're adding
other mods to the car (increasing HP, lowering, etc) don't bother! Honda
knows what they're doing!

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in
news:f2he42$5gn$1@news.datemas.de:

> Tegger wrote:
>
>>
>> Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots more
>> maintenance headaches.
>>
>> Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
>> they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>>
>
> Out of curiosity, what maintenance issues are there? I have never
> serviced a set or rear discs, as this is my first car that came with
> them, but I have always hated working on drums. Front discs are
> extremely easy to work on, so what makes the rear harder?
>
>


Rust. Rust. Seizure. Rust. More rust. Corrosion. More seizure. Rust. More
corrosion. Even more rust. Even more seizure.

If you live in Arizona or SoCal, rear discs are groovy man, but up in
places where it rains or snows, they're a real bummer.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in
news:f2he42$5gn$1@news.datemas.de:

> Tegger wrote:
>
>>
>> Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots more
>> maintenance headaches.
>>
>> Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
>> they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>>
>
> Out of curiosity, what maintenance issues are there? I have never
> serviced a set or rear discs, as this is my first car that came with
> them, but I have always hated working on drums. Front discs are
> extremely easy to work on, so what makes the rear harder?
>
>


Rust. Rust. Seizure. Rust. More rust. Corrosion. More seizure. Rust. More
corrosion. Even more rust. Even more seizure.

If you live in Arizona or SoCal, rear discs are groovy man, but up in
places where it rains or snows, they're a real bummer.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Tegger wrote:

> harley_davidsonX@mailcity.com (Hrundi V. Bakshi) wrote in
> news:464b64d8.8759555@news.east.earthlink.net:
>
>
>>Hi.
>>My '05 Accord has provided reliability beyond my expecations. I have
>>many miles on it, since purchasing it new.
>>
>>It's an LX 4 cyl, with a 5sp. Everything works well.
>>
>>I am just wondering if I can upgrade to discs in the back, and have
>>these questions:
>>
>>1) Do I have to change the front discs to match the rear ones?
>>2) Can I also have installed EBD (electronic brake distribution)?
>>3) Will the stock steel wheels fit once new rotors/caiper assemblies
>>are installed?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots more
> maintenance headaches.
>
> Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
> they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>


A true mouthfull here. Why in the world to people lOOK for trouble?

JT

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Tegger wrote:

> harley_davidsonX@mailcity.com (Hrundi V. Bakshi) wrote in
> news:464b64d8.8759555@news.east.earthlink.net:
>
>
>>Hi.
>>My '05 Accord has provided reliability beyond my expecations. I have
>>many miles on it, since purchasing it new.
>>
>>It's an LX 4 cyl, with a 5sp. Everything works well.
>>
>>I am just wondering if I can upgrade to discs in the back, and have
>>these questions:
>>
>>1) Do I have to change the front discs to match the rear ones?
>>2) Can I also have installed EBD (electronic brake distribution)?
>>3) Will the stock steel wheels fit once new rotors/caiper assemblies
>>are installed?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots more
> maintenance headaches.
>
> Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
> they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>


A true mouthfull here. Why in the world to people lOOK for trouble?

JT

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Joe LaVigne wrote:

> Tegger wrote:
>
>
>>Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots more
>>maintenance headaches.
>>
>>Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
>>they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>>
>
>
> Out of curiosity, what maintenance issues are there? I have never serviced
> a set or rear discs, as this is my first car that came with them, but I
> have always hated working on drums. Front discs are extremely easy to work
> on, so what makes the rear harder?
>


Parking brake issues for starters.

JT

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Joe LaVigne wrote:

> Tegger wrote:
>
>
>>Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots more
>>maintenance headaches.
>>
>>Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
>>they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>>
>
>
> Out of curiosity, what maintenance issues are there? I have never serviced
> a set or rear discs, as this is my first car that came with them, but I
> have always hated working on drums. Front discs are extremely easy to work
> on, so what makes the rear harder?
>


Parking brake issues for starters.

JT

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Tegger wrote:

> Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in
> news:f2he42$5gn$1@news.datemas.de:
>
>
>>Tegger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots more
>>>maintenance headaches.
>>>
>>>Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
>>>they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>>>
>>
>>Out of curiosity, what maintenance issues are there? I have never
>>serviced a set or rear discs, as this is my first car that came with
>>them, but I have always hated working on drums. Front discs are
>>extremely easy to work on, so what makes the rear harder?
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Rust. Rust. Seizure. Rust. More rust. Corrosion. More seizure. Rust. More
> corrosion. Even more rust. Even more seizure.
>
> If you live in Arizona or SoCal, rear discs are groovy man, but up in
> places where it rains or snows, they're a real bummer.
>


Even in Texas, I would suggest leaving the drums. Fact is drum linings
still last twice as long as disk pads maybe longer. Why people insist
on haveing the latest 'n greatest when in fact is ain't any better just
beats the crap outta me...

JT

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Tegger wrote:

> Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in
> news:f2he42$5gn$1@news.datemas.de:
>
>
>>Tegger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots more
>>>maintenance headaches.
>>>
>>>Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
>>>they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>>>
>>
>>Out of curiosity, what maintenance issues are there? I have never
>>serviced a set or rear discs, as this is my first car that came with
>>them, but I have always hated working on drums. Front discs are
>>extremely easy to work on, so what makes the rear harder?
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Rust. Rust. Seizure. Rust. More rust. Corrosion. More seizure. Rust. More
> corrosion. Even more rust. Even more seizure.
>
> If you live in Arizona or SoCal, rear discs are groovy man, but up in
> places where it rains or snows, they're a real bummer.
>


Even in Texas, I would suggest leaving the drums. Fact is drum linings
still last twice as long as disk pads maybe longer. Why people insist
on haveing the latest 'n greatest when in fact is ain't any better just
beats the crap outta me...

JT

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

On May 16, 5:11 pm, harley_davids...@mailcity.com (Hrundi V. Bakshi)
wrote:
> Hi.
> My '05 Accord has provided reliability beyond my expecations. I have
> many miles on it, since purchasing it new.
>
> It's an LX 4 cyl, with a 5sp. Everything works well.

i love disc brakes. they are great. they are better in almost every
aspect over drum brakes. i say almost because, generally, a drum
brake has more actual surface area (more surface area creates more
friction). more friction means greater stopping power. friction
creates more heat. heat leads to fade. fade means less stopping
power. disc brakes are out in the open, so they tend to shed the heat
better than drums and therefore are used on all of the cool
racecars.

here is the best reason to keep your drum brakes: gas is expensive
and not getting any cheaper. if i were to build a car today, it would
have drum brakes at every corner. why? not because of rust. not
because of maintenance. not because they aren't cool. not because of
the parking brake.

drum brakes have springs that pull the shoes away from the drum. disc
brakes do not have this little feature. disc brakes use the
imperfections of life to allow the disc to 'bounce' the pads away and
create a gap. of course, people will say this extra bit of friction
while traveling down the road is minimal....

minimal yes, but every little bit counts.

bob z.

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

On May 16, 5:11 pm, harley_davids...@mailcity.com (Hrundi V. Bakshi)
wrote:
> Hi.
> My '05 Accord has provided reliability beyond my expecations. I have
> many miles on it, since purchasing it new.
>
> It's an LX 4 cyl, with a 5sp. Everything works well.

i love disc brakes. they are great. they are better in almost every
aspect over drum brakes. i say almost because, generally, a drum
brake has more actual surface area (more surface area creates more
friction). more friction means greater stopping power. friction
creates more heat. heat leads to fade. fade means less stopping
power. disc brakes are out in the open, so they tend to shed the heat
better than drums and therefore are used on all of the cool
racecars.

here is the best reason to keep your drum brakes: gas is expensive
and not getting any cheaper. if i were to build a car today, it would
have drum brakes at every corner. why? not because of rust. not
because of maintenance. not because they aren't cool. not because of
the parking brake.

drum brakes have springs that pull the shoes away from the drum. disc
brakes do not have this little feature. disc brakes use the
imperfections of life to allow the disc to 'bounce' the pads away and
create a gap. of course, people will say this extra bit of friction
while traveling down the road is minimal....

minimal yes, but every little bit counts.

bob z.

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

bob zee wrote:
> On May 16, 5:11 pm, harley_davids...@mailcity.com (Hrundi V. Bakshi)
> wrote:
>
>>Hi.
>>My '05 Accord has provided reliability beyond my expecations. I have
>>many miles on it, since purchasing it new.
>>
>>It's an LX 4 cyl, with a 5sp. Everything works well.
>
>
> i love disc brakes. they are great. they are better in almost every
> aspect over drum brakes. i say almost because, generally, a drum
> brake has more actual surface area (more surface area creates more
> friction). more friction means greater stopping power. friction
> creates more heat. heat leads to fade. fade means less stopping
> power. disc brakes are out in the open, so they tend to shed the heat
> better than drums and therefore are used on all of the cool
> racecars.
>
> here is the best reason to keep your drum brakes: gas is expensive
> and not getting any cheaper. if i were to build a car today, it would
> have drum brakes at every corner. why? not because of rust. not
> because of maintenance. not because they aren't cool. not because of
> the parking brake.
>
> drum brakes have springs that pull the shoes away from the drum. disc
> brakes do not have this little feature. disc brakes use the
> imperfections of life to allow the disc to 'bounce' the pads away and
> create a gap. of course, people will say this extra bit of friction
> while traveling down the road is minimal....
>
> minimal yes, but every little bit counts.
>
> bob z.
>


The ONLY disk brake cylinder that would actually retract pads from the
rotor surface were the (Girling I think) system used by Jaquar,
Mercedes, Studebaker and Nissan (Datsun) in the 1960's and early 1970's.

JT

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

bob zee wrote:
> On May 16, 5:11 pm, harley_davids...@mailcity.com (Hrundi V. Bakshi)
> wrote:
>
>>Hi.
>>My '05 Accord has provided reliability beyond my expecations. I have
>>many miles on it, since purchasing it new.
>>
>>It's an LX 4 cyl, with a 5sp. Everything works well.
>
>
> i love disc brakes. they are great. they are better in almost every
> aspect over drum brakes. i say almost because, generally, a drum
> brake has more actual surface area (more surface area creates more
> friction). more friction means greater stopping power. friction
> creates more heat. heat leads to fade. fade means less stopping
> power. disc brakes are out in the open, so they tend to shed the heat
> better than drums and therefore are used on all of the cool
> racecars.
>
> here is the best reason to keep your drum brakes: gas is expensive
> and not getting any cheaper. if i were to build a car today, it would
> have drum brakes at every corner. why? not because of rust. not
> because of maintenance. not because they aren't cool. not because of
> the parking brake.
>
> drum brakes have springs that pull the shoes away from the drum. disc
> brakes do not have this little feature. disc brakes use the
> imperfections of life to allow the disc to 'bounce' the pads away and
> create a gap. of course, people will say this extra bit of friction
> while traveling down the road is minimal....
>
> minimal yes, but every little bit counts.
>
> bob z.
>


The ONLY disk brake cylinder that would actually retract pads from the
rotor surface were the (Girling I think) system used by Jaquar,
Mercedes, Studebaker and Nissan (Datsun) in the 1960's and early 1970's.

JT

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>
> bob zee wrote:
>> On May 16, 5:11 pm, harley_davids...@mailcity.com (Hrundi V. Bakshi)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>> My '05 Accord has provided reliability beyond my expecations. I have
>>> many miles on it, since purchasing it new.
>>>
>>> It's an LX 4 cyl, with a 5sp. Everything works well.
>>
>>
>> i love disc brakes. they are great. they are better in almost every
>> aspect over drum brakes. i say almost because, generally, a drum
>> brake has more actual surface area (more surface area creates more
>> friction). more friction means greater stopping power. friction
>> creates more heat. heat leads to fade. fade means less stopping
>> power. disc brakes are out in the open, so they tend to shed the heat
>> better than drums and therefore are used on all of the cool
>> racecars.
>>
>> here is the best reason to keep your drum brakes: gas is expensive
>> and not getting any cheaper. if i were to build a car today, it would
>> have drum brakes at every corner. why? not because of rust. not
>> because of maintenance. not because they aren't cool. not because of
>> the parking brake.
>>
>> drum brakes have springs that pull the shoes away from the drum. disc
>> brakes do not have this little feature. disc brakes use the
>> imperfections of life to allow the disc to 'bounce' the pads away and
>> create a gap. of course, people will say this extra bit of friction
>> while traveling down the road is minimal....
>>
>> minimal yes, but every little bit counts.
>>
>> bob z.
>>
>
>
> The ONLY disk brake cylinder that would actually retract pads from the
> rotor surface were the (Girling I think) system used by Jaquar,
> Mercedes, Studebaker and Nissan (Datsun) in the 1960's and early 1970's.
>
> JT

no, they all retract a little. it's not a mechanical system built into
the piston, simply a function of seal elasticity - the inner seal, not
the flimsy on the outside.

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>
> bob zee wrote:
>> On May 16, 5:11 pm, harley_davids...@mailcity.com (Hrundi V. Bakshi)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>> My '05 Accord has provided reliability beyond my expecations. I have
>>> many miles on it, since purchasing it new.
>>>
>>> It's an LX 4 cyl, with a 5sp. Everything works well.
>>
>>
>> i love disc brakes. they are great. they are better in almost every
>> aspect over drum brakes. i say almost because, generally, a drum
>> brake has more actual surface area (more surface area creates more
>> friction). more friction means greater stopping power. friction
>> creates more heat. heat leads to fade. fade means less stopping
>> power. disc brakes are out in the open, so they tend to shed the heat
>> better than drums and therefore are used on all of the cool
>> racecars.
>>
>> here is the best reason to keep your drum brakes: gas is expensive
>> and not getting any cheaper. if i were to build a car today, it would
>> have drum brakes at every corner. why? not because of rust. not
>> because of maintenance. not because they aren't cool. not because of
>> the parking brake.
>>
>> drum brakes have springs that pull the shoes away from the drum. disc
>> brakes do not have this little feature. disc brakes use the
>> imperfections of life to allow the disc to 'bounce' the pads away and
>> create a gap. of course, people will say this extra bit of friction
>> while traveling down the road is minimal....
>>
>> minimal yes, but every little bit counts.
>>
>> bob z.
>>
>
>
> The ONLY disk brake cylinder that would actually retract pads from the
> rotor surface were the (Girling I think) system used by Jaquar,
> Mercedes, Studebaker and Nissan (Datsun) in the 1960's and early 1970's.
>
> JT

no, they all retract a little. it's not a mechanical system built into
the piston, simply a function of seal elasticity - the inner seal, not
the flimsy on the outside.

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:Ugk3i.3537$Sa4.1994@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> Tegger wrote:
>
>> Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in
>> news:f2he42$5gn$1@news.datemas.de:
>>>Tegger wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots more
>>>>maintenance headaches.
>>>>
>>>>Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
>>>>they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Out of curiosity, what maintenance issues are there? I have never
>>>serviced a set or rear discs, as this is my first car that came with
>>>them, but I have always hated working on drums. Front discs are
>>>extremely easy to work on, so what makes the rear harder?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rust. Rust. Seizure. Rust. More rust. Corrosion. More seizure. Rust. More
>> corrosion. Even more rust. Even more seizure.
>>
>> If you live in Arizona or SoCal, rear discs are groovy man, but up in
>> places where it rains or snows, they're a real bummer.
>
>
> Even in Texas, I would suggest leaving the drums. Fact is drum linings
> still last twice as long as disk pads maybe longer. Why people insist on
> haveing the latest 'n greatest when in fact is ain't any better just beats
> the crap outta me...
>
> JT
>
>
>

I can understand why nobody wants front drums - they are bad news. Rear
drums are fine with me.

Mike

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:Ugk3i.3537$Sa4.1994@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> Tegger wrote:
>
>> Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in
>> news:f2he42$5gn$1@news.datemas.de:
>>>Tegger wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots more
>>>>maintenance headaches.
>>>>
>>>>Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
>>>>they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Out of curiosity, what maintenance issues are there? I have never
>>>serviced a set or rear discs, as this is my first car that came with
>>>them, but I have always hated working on drums. Front discs are
>>>extremely easy to work on, so what makes the rear harder?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rust. Rust. Seizure. Rust. More rust. Corrosion. More seizure. Rust. More
>> corrosion. Even more rust. Even more seizure.
>>
>> If you live in Arizona or SoCal, rear discs are groovy man, but up in
>> places where it rains or snows, they're a real bummer.
>
>
> Even in Texas, I would suggest leaving the drums. Fact is drum linings
> still last twice as long as disk pads maybe longer. Why people insist on
> haveing the latest 'n greatest when in fact is ain't any better just beats
> the crap outta me...
>
> JT
>
>
>

I can understand why nobody wants front drums - they are bad news. Rear
drums are fine with me.

Mike

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:Ugk3i.3537$Sa4.1994@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

>
>
> Tegger wrote:
>
>> Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in
>> news:f2he42$5gn$1@news.datemas.de:
>>
>>
>>>Tegger wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots
>>>>more maintenance headaches.
>>>>
>>>>Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
>>>>they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Out of curiosity, what maintenance issues are there? I have never
>>>serviced a set or rear discs, as this is my first car that came with
>>>them, but I have always hated working on drums. Front discs are
>>>extremely easy to work on, so what makes the rear harder?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rust. Rust. Seizure. Rust. More rust. Corrosion. More seizure. Rust.
>> More corrosion. Even more rust. Even more seizure.
>>
>> If you live in Arizona or SoCal, rear discs are groovy man, but up in
>> places where it rains or snows, they're a real bummer.
>>
>
>
> Even in Texas, I would suggest leaving the drums. Fact is drum
> linings still last twice as long as disk pads maybe longer. Why
> people insist on haveing the latest 'n greatest when in fact is ain't
> any better just beats the crap outta me...
>


On a FWD car the rear brakes do maybe 20% of the stopping. Drums on the
rear are an infinitely better choice for such a light-duty application.

Drums are sealed from the weather, and do not need to burn off moisture
to remain operational.

The shoes will last 75K miles with no maintenance whatsoever.

The only people who think rear discs are better than drums are those who
live in Arizona, or those who own shares in Norton Abrasives or Dow
Corning (or both).

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
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Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:Ugk3i.3537$Sa4.1994@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

>
>
> Tegger wrote:
>
>> Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in
>> news:f2he42$5gn$1@news.datemas.de:
>>
>>
>>>Tegger wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots
>>>>more maintenance headaches.
>>>>
>>>>Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
>>>>they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Out of curiosity, what maintenance issues are there? I have never
>>>serviced a set or rear discs, as this is my first car that came with
>>>them, but I have always hated working on drums. Front discs are
>>>extremely easy to work on, so what makes the rear harder?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rust. Rust. Seizure. Rust. More rust. Corrosion. More seizure. Rust.
>> More corrosion. Even more rust. Even more seizure.
>>
>> If you live in Arizona or SoCal, rear discs are groovy man, but up in
>> places where it rains or snows, they're a real bummer.
>>
>
>
> Even in Texas, I would suggest leaving the drums. Fact is drum
> linings still last twice as long as disk pads maybe longer. Why
> people insist on haveing the latest 'n greatest when in fact is ain't
> any better just beats the crap outta me...
>


On a FWD car the rear brakes do maybe 20% of the stopping. Drums on the
rear are an infinitely better choice for such a light-duty application.

Drums are sealed from the weather, and do not need to burn off moisture
to remain operational.

The shoes will last 75K miles with no maintenance whatsoever.

The only people who think rear discs are better than drums are those who
live in Arizona, or those who own shares in Norton Abrasives or Dow
Corning (or both).

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

bob zee <bobzee1@gmail.com> wrote in news:1179505974.155339.158570
@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> On May 16, 5:11 pm, harley_davids...@mailcity.com (Hrundi V. Bakshi)
> wrote:
>> Hi.
>> My '05 Accord has provided reliability beyond my expecations. I have
>> many miles on it, since purchasing it new.
>>
>> It's an LX 4 cyl, with a 5sp. Everything works well.
>
> i love disc brakes. they are great. they are better in almost every
> aspect over drum brakes.



Unless they are used on the rear of a FWD car.



> i say almost because, generally, a drum
> brake has more actual surface area (more surface area creates more
> friction). more friction means greater stopping power. friction
> creates more heat. heat leads to fade. fade means less stopping
> power.



Blah blah blah. You read many automotive magazines but do not work on
any actual motor vehicles.



> disc brakes are out in the open, so they tend to shed the heat
> better than drums and therefore are used on all of the cool
> racecars.



Do you regularly travel at 200mph? I know I don't. 200mph race
requirements are not the same as the requirements imposed by regular
low-speed city driving through salty winter slush.



>
> here is the best reason to keep your drum brakes: gas is expensive
> and not getting any cheaper. if i were to build a car today, it would
> have drum brakes at every corner. why? not because of rust. not
> because of maintenance. not because they aren't cool. not because of
> the parking brake.
>
> drum brakes have springs that pull the shoes away from the drum. disc
> brakes do not have this little feature. disc brakes use the
> imperfections of life to allow the disc to 'bounce' the pads away and
> create a gap. of course, people will say this extra bit of friction
> while traveling down the road is minimal....



You have evidently never actually watched a disc brake piston in action.
Correctly-operating disc brake pistons RETRACT when you let off the
pedal. Believe it...or not.





--
Tegger

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Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

bob zee <bobzee1@gmail.com> wrote in news:1179505974.155339.158570
@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> On May 16, 5:11 pm, harley_davids...@mailcity.com (Hrundi V. Bakshi)
> wrote:
>> Hi.
>> My '05 Accord has provided reliability beyond my expecations. I have
>> many miles on it, since purchasing it new.
>>
>> It's an LX 4 cyl, with a 5sp. Everything works well.
>
> i love disc brakes. they are great. they are better in almost every
> aspect over drum brakes.



Unless they are used on the rear of a FWD car.



> i say almost because, generally, a drum
> brake has more actual surface area (more surface area creates more
> friction). more friction means greater stopping power. friction
> creates more heat. heat leads to fade. fade means less stopping
> power.



Blah blah blah. You read many automotive magazines but do not work on
any actual motor vehicles.



> disc brakes are out in the open, so they tend to shed the heat
> better than drums and therefore are used on all of the cool
> racecars.



Do you regularly travel at 200mph? I know I don't. 200mph race
requirements are not the same as the requirements imposed by regular
low-speed city driving through salty winter slush.



>
> here is the best reason to keep your drum brakes: gas is expensive
> and not getting any cheaper. if i were to build a car today, it would
> have drum brakes at every corner. why? not because of rust. not
> because of maintenance. not because they aren't cool. not because of
> the parking brake.
>
> drum brakes have springs that pull the shoes away from the drum. disc
> brakes do not have this little feature. disc brakes use the
> imperfections of life to allow the disc to 'bounce' the pads away and
> create a gap. of course, people will say this extra bit of friction
> while traveling down the road is minimal....



You have evidently never actually watched a disc brake piston in action.
Correctly-operating disc brake pistons RETRACT when you let off the
pedal. Believe it...or not.





--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in news:8_p3i.8416
$p47.471@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:


>
> The ONLY disk brake cylinder that would actually retract pads from the
> rotor surface


JT, they ALL do. ALL of them. EVERY one.

If the piston does NOT retract once you release the pedal, then the piston
is seizing and the caliper requires major servicing.

Not one single disc brake system does not involve piston retraction upon
pedal release. Not one. Not even Chrysler's weirdo Lambert discs of the
'50s.



--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
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Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in news:8_p3i.8416
$p47.471@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:


>
> The ONLY disk brake cylinder that would actually retract pads from the
> rotor surface


JT, they ALL do. ALL of them. EVERY one.

If the piston does NOT retract once you release the pedal, then the piston
is seizing and the caliper requires major servicing.

Not one single disc brake system does not involve piston retraction upon
pedal release. Not one. Not even Chrysler's weirdo Lambert discs of the
'50s.



--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

On May 18, 6:17 pm, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:

> > Even in Texas, I would suggest leaving the drums. Fact is drum
> > linings still last twice as long as disk pads maybe longer. Why
> > people insist on haveing the latest 'n greatest when in fact is ain't
> > any better just beats the crap outta me...
>
> On a FWD car the rear brakes do maybe 20% of the stopping.

as they do on an AWD and RWD car :^)

> Drums on the
> rear are an infinitely better choice for such a light-duty application.

but the disks look so kewl. must be such a chick magnet
with all those red calipers sticking thru the bicycle
bespoked wheels

> Drums are sealed from the weather, and do not need to burn off moisture
> to remain operational.
>
well, don't tell that to the rice boys.
they are the bread and butter of a cottage industry of
a few billion bucks

> The shoes will last 75K miles with no maintenance whatsoever.
>
> The only people who think rear discs are better than drums are those who
> live in Arizona, or those who own shares in Norton Abrasives or Dow
> Corning (or both).

:-)

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

On May 18, 6:17 pm, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:

> > Even in Texas, I would suggest leaving the drums. Fact is drum
> > linings still last twice as long as disk pads maybe longer. Why
> > people insist on haveing the latest 'n greatest when in fact is ain't
> > any better just beats the crap outta me...
>
> On a FWD car the rear brakes do maybe 20% of the stopping.

as they do on an AWD and RWD car :^)

> Drums on the
> rear are an infinitely better choice for such a light-duty application.

but the disks look so kewl. must be such a chick magnet
with all those red calipers sticking thru the bicycle
bespoked wheels

> Drums are sealed from the weather, and do not need to burn off moisture
> to remain operational.
>
well, don't tell that to the rice boys.
they are the bread and butter of a cottage industry of
a few billion bucks

> The shoes will last 75K miles with no maintenance whatsoever.
>
> The only people who think rear discs are better than drums are those who
> live in Arizona, or those who own shares in Norton Abrasives or Dow
> Corning (or both).

:-)

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

The old saying 'if it aint broke'......applies here.

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

The old saying 'if it aint broke'......applies here.

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

wierd..my 93 del sol has front and rear disc brakes. I always get the
old wobble to a stop effect ..Of course I do go 120mph on I-95..heh.

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

wierd..my 93 del sol has front and rear disc brakes. I always get the
old wobble to a stop effect ..Of course I do go 120mph on I-95..heh.

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Private Private wrote:
> wierd..my 93 del sol has front and rear disc brakes. I always get the
> old wobble to a stop effect ..Of course I do go 120mph on I-95..heh.
>
then google this group o how to fix it. i repeat it every few months
and did so again this last week or so.

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Private Private wrote:
> wierd..my 93 del sol has front and rear disc brakes. I always get the
> old wobble to a stop effect ..Of course I do go 120mph on I-95..heh.
>
then google this group o how to fix it. i repeat it every few months
and did so again this last week or so.

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Tegger wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
> news:Ugk3i.3537$Sa4.1994@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
>>
>> Tegger wrote:
>>
>>> Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in
>>> news:f2he42$5gn$1@news.datemas.de:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots
>>>>> more maintenance headaches.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
>>>>> they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>>>>>
>>>> Out of curiosity, what maintenance issues are there? I have never
>>>> serviced a set or rear discs, as this is my first car that came with
>>>> them, but I have always hated working on drums. Front discs are
>>>> extremely easy to work on, so what makes the rear harder?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rust. Rust. Seizure. Rust. More rust. Corrosion. More seizure. Rust.
>>> More corrosion. Even more rust. Even more seizure.
>>>
>>> If you live in Arizona or SoCal, rear discs are groovy man, but up in
>>> places where it rains or snows, they're a real bummer.
>>>
>>
>> Even in Texas, I would suggest leaving the drums. Fact is drum
>> linings still last twice as long as disk pads maybe longer. Why
>> people insist on haveing the latest 'n greatest when in fact is ain't
>> any better just beats the crap outta me...
>>
>
>
> On a FWD car the rear brakes do maybe 20% of the stopping.

whether or not it's fwd makes absolutely /zero/ difference to braking
load distribution if the weight distribution is the same. if anything,
front brakes on fwd's work /less/ since engine braking is available up
front.

> Drums on the
> rear are an infinitely better choice for such a light-duty application.

they're easier to maintain and it's /much/ easier to implement a parking
brake, but disks are a better brake in that their function is more
linear and they dump their heat much quicker.

>
> Drums are sealed from the weather, and do not need to burn off moisture
> to remain operational.

if water gets inside a drum, it's nigh-on useless for /way/ longer than
any wet disk. drums are weather resistant, but not weather proof.

>
> The shoes will last 75K miles with no maintenance whatsoever.

for honda rears, often much longer!

>
> The only people who think rear discs are better than drums are those who
> live in Arizona, or those who own shares in Norton Abrasives or Dow
> Corning (or both).

no, disks are safer in that their operation is more linear and they're
harder to overheat.

the advantages of drums are cost [first and foremost], and ease of
parking brake design. reliability of honda rear disk brakes is not
great because of their parking brake design, but that's not a disk
problem per se. other manufacturers have different solutions which
don't have the same reliability problems, but lose some/all of the
weight advantage.

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Tegger wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
> news:Ugk3i.3537$Sa4.1994@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
>>
>> Tegger wrote:
>>
>>> Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in
>>> news:f2he42$5gn$1@news.datemas.de:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Don't bother. Rear discs will get you no better braking and lots
>>>>> more maintenance headaches.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure rear discs have a kewl factor that boring ol' drums do not, but
>>>>> they're not worth it. Stick with the drums.
>>>>>
>>>> Out of curiosity, what maintenance issues are there? I have never
>>>> serviced a set or rear discs, as this is my first car that came with
>>>> them, but I have always hated working on drums. Front discs are
>>>> extremely easy to work on, so what makes the rear harder?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rust. Rust. Seizure. Rust. More rust. Corrosion. More seizure. Rust.
>>> More corrosion. Even more rust. Even more seizure.
>>>
>>> If you live in Arizona or SoCal, rear discs are groovy man, but up in
>>> places where it rains or snows, they're a real bummer.
>>>
>>
>> Even in Texas, I would suggest leaving the drums. Fact is drum
>> linings still last twice as long as disk pads maybe longer. Why
>> people insist on haveing the latest 'n greatest when in fact is ain't
>> any better just beats the crap outta me...
>>
>
>
> On a FWD car the rear brakes do maybe 20% of the stopping.

whether or not it's fwd makes absolutely /zero/ difference to braking
load distribution if the weight distribution is the same. if anything,
front brakes on fwd's work /less/ since engine braking is available up
front.

> Drums on the
> rear are an infinitely better choice for such a light-duty application.

they're easier to maintain and it's /much/ easier to implement a parking
brake, but disks are a better brake in that their function is more
linear and they dump their heat much quicker.

>
> Drums are sealed from the weather, and do not need to burn off moisture
> to remain operational.

if water gets inside a drum, it's nigh-on useless for /way/ longer than
any wet disk. drums are weather resistant, but not weather proof.

>
> The shoes will last 75K miles with no maintenance whatsoever.

for honda rears, often much longer!

>
> The only people who think rear discs are better than drums are those who
> live in Arizona, or those who own shares in Norton Abrasives or Dow
> Corning (or both).

no, disks are safer in that their operation is more linear and they're
harder to overheat.

the advantages of drums are cost [first and foremost], and ease of
parking brake design. reliability of honda rear disk brakes is not
great because of their parking brake design, but that's not a disk
problem per se. other manufacturers have different solutions which
don't have the same reliability problems, but lose some/all of the
weight advantage.

Re: Can I upgrade to disc brakes front and rear? '05 Accord
 

Tegger wrote:

>> disc brakes are out in the open, so they tend to shed the heat
>> better than drums and therefore are used on all of the cool
>> racecars.
>
> Do you regularly travel at 200mph? I know I don't. 200mph race
> requirements are not the same as the requirements imposed by regular
> low-speed city driving through salty winter slush.

Didn't actually get to DRIVE one (probably because I couldn't fit my fat
ass into its bucket with a shoehorn and a gallon of vaseline), but I
worked with a CASCAR team for a season... they all had front and rear
discs, and lemme tell ya, on the short oval, those brakes would spend
half the circuit glowing red... but they cooled down pretty quick out of
the apex. Of course, having dedicated ducting to scoop air from the air
dam and pipe it right onto the rotors helped :)