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Can Igniters be fixed?
Well, I just replaced a coil that didn't need to be replaced (I can be an
idiot some times), and found that the igniter was the real culprit. A good learning experience at any rate. With the old igniter on my table, I discovered that the top can be taken off. I realize that it is probably impractical and untrustworthy, but I'm wondering if these can be fixed. This is just to satisfy my curiosity. Has anyone every tried? Better yet, has anyone ever succeeded? I was hoping to see an obvious spot where something was burned or broken, but no such luck. The igniter in question is from a '91 Civic and has "NEC MC-8132" on the top. Thanks, Jason |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote
> Well, I just replaced a coil that didn't need to be replaced (I can be an > idiot some times), and found that the igniter was the real culprit. A good > learning experience at any rate. Don't know if you know this, but-- Take heart. The ignitor and coil seem to fail around the same mileage. One may also argue that a malfunctioning coil will screw up an ignitor. (I have less faith in the other way around, though.) Just humble speculation from another 1991 Civic owner who's seen a few coil and ignitor failures in her car's 150k life. > With the old igniter on my table, I discovered that the top can be taken > off. You got all the way to the guts? I tried with a recent, old NEC ignitor and didn't get far until I concluded a large hammer would be helpful. Is the inside pretty clean-looking? This came up in one of the Honda groups a few months ago. Some guy posted a photo of his old ignitor's guts. Full of gunk. > I realize that it is probably impractical and untrustworthy, but I'm > wondering if these can be fixed. This is just to satisfy my curiosity. Has > anyone every tried? Better yet, has anyone ever succeeded? I was hoping to > see an obvious spot where something was burned or broken, but no such luck. Dunno. Lots of people talk about ignitor problems here, so hang on. Or try searching google.groups . > The igniter in question is from a '91 Civic and has "NEC MC-8132" on the > top. FWIW, OEM ignitors are said to last longer. (And I'm cheap, but not with ignitors. Anymore) |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote
> Well, I just replaced a coil that didn't need to be replaced (I can be an > idiot some times), and found that the igniter was the real culprit. A good > learning experience at any rate. Don't know if you know this, but-- Take heart. The ignitor and coil seem to fail around the same mileage. One may also argue that a malfunctioning coil will screw up an ignitor. (I have less faith in the other way around, though.) Just humble speculation from another 1991 Civic owner who's seen a few coil and ignitor failures in her car's 150k life. > With the old igniter on my table, I discovered that the top can be taken > off. You got all the way to the guts? I tried with a recent, old NEC ignitor and didn't get far until I concluded a large hammer would be helpful. Is the inside pretty clean-looking? This came up in one of the Honda groups a few months ago. Some guy posted a photo of his old ignitor's guts. Full of gunk. > I realize that it is probably impractical and untrustworthy, but I'm > wondering if these can be fixed. This is just to satisfy my curiosity. Has > anyone every tried? Better yet, has anyone ever succeeded? I was hoping to > see an obvious spot where something was burned or broken, but no such luck. Dunno. Lots of people talk about ignitor problems here, so hang on. Or try searching google.groups . > The igniter in question is from a '91 Civic and has "NEC MC-8132" on the > top. FWIW, OEM ignitors are said to last longer. (And I'm cheap, but not with ignitors. Anymore) |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote
> Well, I just replaced a coil that didn't need to be replaced (I can be an > idiot some times), and found that the igniter was the real culprit. A good > learning experience at any rate. Don't know if you know this, but-- Take heart. The ignitor and coil seem to fail around the same mileage. One may also argue that a malfunctioning coil will screw up an ignitor. (I have less faith in the other way around, though.) Just humble speculation from another 1991 Civic owner who's seen a few coil and ignitor failures in her car's 150k life. > With the old igniter on my table, I discovered that the top can be taken > off. You got all the way to the guts? I tried with a recent, old NEC ignitor and didn't get far until I concluded a large hammer would be helpful. Is the inside pretty clean-looking? This came up in one of the Honda groups a few months ago. Some guy posted a photo of his old ignitor's guts. Full of gunk. > I realize that it is probably impractical and untrustworthy, but I'm > wondering if these can be fixed. This is just to satisfy my curiosity. Has > anyone every tried? Better yet, has anyone ever succeeded? I was hoping to > see an obvious spot where something was burned or broken, but no such luck. Dunno. Lots of people talk about ignitor problems here, so hang on. Or try searching google.groups . > The igniter in question is from a '91 Civic and has "NEC MC-8132" on the > top. FWIW, OEM ignitors are said to last longer. (And I'm cheap, but not with ignitors. Anymore) |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote
> Well, I just replaced a coil that didn't need to be replaced (I can be an > idiot some times), and found that the igniter was the real culprit. A good > learning experience at any rate. Don't know if you know this, but-- Take heart. The ignitor and coil seem to fail around the same mileage. One may also argue that a malfunctioning coil will screw up an ignitor. (I have less faith in the other way around, though.) Just humble speculation from another 1991 Civic owner who's seen a few coil and ignitor failures in her car's 150k life. > With the old igniter on my table, I discovered that the top can be taken > off. You got all the way to the guts? I tried with a recent, old NEC ignitor and didn't get far until I concluded a large hammer would be helpful. Is the inside pretty clean-looking? This came up in one of the Honda groups a few months ago. Some guy posted a photo of his old ignitor's guts. Full of gunk. > I realize that it is probably impractical and untrustworthy, but I'm > wondering if these can be fixed. This is just to satisfy my curiosity. Has > anyone every tried? Better yet, has anyone ever succeeded? I was hoping to > see an obvious spot where something was burned or broken, but no such luck. Dunno. Lots of people talk about ignitor problems here, so hang on. Or try searching google.groups . > The igniter in question is from a '91 Civic and has "NEC MC-8132" on the > top. FWIW, OEM ignitors are said to last longer. (And I'm cheap, but not with ignitors. Anymore) |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
On 1/20/04 19:15, in article
0pkPb.21136$zj7.4618@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net, "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote: > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote >> Well, I just replaced a coil that didn't need to be replaced (I can be an >> idiot some times), and found that the igniter was the real culprit. A good >> learning experience at any rate. > > Don't know if you know this, but-- > > Take heart. The ignitor and coil seem to fail around the same mileage. One may > also argue that a malfunctioning coil will screw up an ignitor. (I have less > faith in the other way around, though.) > > Just humble speculation from another 1991 Civic owner who's seen a few coil > and > ignitor failures in her car's 150k life. > >> With the old igniter on my table, I discovered that the top can be taken >> off. > > You got all the way to the guts? I tried with a recent, old NEC ignitor and > didn't get far until I concluded a large hammer would be helpful. > > Is the inside pretty clean-looking? This came up in one of the Honda groups a > few months ago. Some guy posted a photo of his old ignitor's guts. Full of > gunk. > There was a bead of silicone around the top. I went around that with a razor blade and scraped some out with a screwdriver. I then pried off the top. It is very clean on the inside. I think I saw a picture of the one you mentioned. >> I realize that it is probably impractical and untrustworthy, but I'm >> wondering if these can be fixed. This is just to satisfy my curiosity. Has >> anyone every tried? Better yet, has anyone ever succeeded? I was hoping to >> see an obvious spot where something was burned or broken, but no such luck. > > Dunno. Lots of people talk about ignitor problems here, so hang on. Or try > searching google.groups . > >> The igniter in question is from a '91 Civic and has "NEC MC-8132" on the >> top. > > FWIW, OEM ignitors are said to last longer. (And I'm cheap, but not with > ignitors. Anymore) > Which are OEM? I read that what came in the car was a different brand, but was replaced by NEC due to failure. NEC is what I got from the dealer this morning. Which other brands have you tried? |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
On 1/20/04 19:15, in article
0pkPb.21136$zj7.4618@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net, "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote: > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote >> Well, I just replaced a coil that didn't need to be replaced (I can be an >> idiot some times), and found that the igniter was the real culprit. A good >> learning experience at any rate. > > Don't know if you know this, but-- > > Take heart. The ignitor and coil seem to fail around the same mileage. One may > also argue that a malfunctioning coil will screw up an ignitor. (I have less > faith in the other way around, though.) > > Just humble speculation from another 1991 Civic owner who's seen a few coil > and > ignitor failures in her car's 150k life. > >> With the old igniter on my table, I discovered that the top can be taken >> off. > > You got all the way to the guts? I tried with a recent, old NEC ignitor and > didn't get far until I concluded a large hammer would be helpful. > > Is the inside pretty clean-looking? This came up in one of the Honda groups a > few months ago. Some guy posted a photo of his old ignitor's guts. Full of > gunk. > There was a bead of silicone around the top. I went around that with a razor blade and scraped some out with a screwdriver. I then pried off the top. It is very clean on the inside. I think I saw a picture of the one you mentioned. >> I realize that it is probably impractical and untrustworthy, but I'm >> wondering if these can be fixed. This is just to satisfy my curiosity. Has >> anyone every tried? Better yet, has anyone ever succeeded? I was hoping to >> see an obvious spot where something was burned or broken, but no such luck. > > Dunno. Lots of people talk about ignitor problems here, so hang on. Or try > searching google.groups . > >> The igniter in question is from a '91 Civic and has "NEC MC-8132" on the >> top. > > FWIW, OEM ignitors are said to last longer. (And I'm cheap, but not with > ignitors. Anymore) > Which are OEM? I read that what came in the car was a different brand, but was replaced by NEC due to failure. NEC is what I got from the dealer this morning. Which other brands have you tried? |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
On 1/20/04 19:15, in article
0pkPb.21136$zj7.4618@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net, "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote: > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote >> Well, I just replaced a coil that didn't need to be replaced (I can be an >> idiot some times), and found that the igniter was the real culprit. A good >> learning experience at any rate. > > Don't know if you know this, but-- > > Take heart. The ignitor and coil seem to fail around the same mileage. One may > also argue that a malfunctioning coil will screw up an ignitor. (I have less > faith in the other way around, though.) > > Just humble speculation from another 1991 Civic owner who's seen a few coil > and > ignitor failures in her car's 150k life. > >> With the old igniter on my table, I discovered that the top can be taken >> off. > > You got all the way to the guts? I tried with a recent, old NEC ignitor and > didn't get far until I concluded a large hammer would be helpful. > > Is the inside pretty clean-looking? This came up in one of the Honda groups a > few months ago. Some guy posted a photo of his old ignitor's guts. Full of > gunk. > There was a bead of silicone around the top. I went around that with a razor blade and scraped some out with a screwdriver. I then pried off the top. It is very clean on the inside. I think I saw a picture of the one you mentioned. >> I realize that it is probably impractical and untrustworthy, but I'm >> wondering if these can be fixed. This is just to satisfy my curiosity. Has >> anyone every tried? Better yet, has anyone ever succeeded? I was hoping to >> see an obvious spot where something was burned or broken, but no such luck. > > Dunno. Lots of people talk about ignitor problems here, so hang on. Or try > searching google.groups . > >> The igniter in question is from a '91 Civic and has "NEC MC-8132" on the >> top. > > FWIW, OEM ignitors are said to last longer. (And I'm cheap, but not with > ignitors. Anymore) > Which are OEM? I read that what came in the car was a different brand, but was replaced by NEC due to failure. NEC is what I got from the dealer this morning. Which other brands have you tried? |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
On 1/20/04 19:15, in article
0pkPb.21136$zj7.4618@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net, "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote: > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote >> Well, I just replaced a coil that didn't need to be replaced (I can be an >> idiot some times), and found that the igniter was the real culprit. A good >> learning experience at any rate. > > Don't know if you know this, but-- > > Take heart. The ignitor and coil seem to fail around the same mileage. One may > also argue that a malfunctioning coil will screw up an ignitor. (I have less > faith in the other way around, though.) > > Just humble speculation from another 1991 Civic owner who's seen a few coil > and > ignitor failures in her car's 150k life. > >> With the old igniter on my table, I discovered that the top can be taken >> off. > > You got all the way to the guts? I tried with a recent, old NEC ignitor and > didn't get far until I concluded a large hammer would be helpful. > > Is the inside pretty clean-looking? This came up in one of the Honda groups a > few months ago. Some guy posted a photo of his old ignitor's guts. Full of > gunk. > There was a bead of silicone around the top. I went around that with a razor blade and scraped some out with a screwdriver. I then pried off the top. It is very clean on the inside. I think I saw a picture of the one you mentioned. >> I realize that it is probably impractical and untrustworthy, but I'm >> wondering if these can be fixed. This is just to satisfy my curiosity. Has >> anyone every tried? Better yet, has anyone ever succeeded? I was hoping to >> see an obvious spot where something was burned or broken, but no such luck. > > Dunno. Lots of people talk about ignitor problems here, so hang on. Or try > searching google.groups . > >> The igniter in question is from a '91 Civic and has "NEC MC-8132" on the >> top. > > FWIW, OEM ignitors are said to last longer. (And I'm cheap, but not with > ignitors. Anymore) > Which are OEM? I read that what came in the car was a different brand, but was replaced by NEC due to failure. NEC is what I got from the dealer this morning. Which other brands have you tried? |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote
> <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Is the inside pretty clean-looking? This came up in one of the Honda groups a > > few months ago. Some guy posted a photo of his old ignitor's guts. Full of > > gunk. > > > There was a bead of silicone around the top. I went around that with a > razor blade and scraped some out with a screwdriver. I then pried off the > top. It is very clean on the inside. Thanks. The guy who put the photo up posted more detail about the ignitor in the last several months. See http://www.gcw.org.uk/rover/igniter.htm He might chime in... > >> The igniter in question is from a '91 Civic and has "NEC MC-8132" on the > >> top. > > > > FWIW, OEM ignitors are said to last longer. (And I'm cheap, but not with > > ignitors. Anymore) > > > Which are OEM? I read that what came in the car was a different brand, but > was replaced by NEC due to failure. NEC is what I got from the dealer this > morning. Which other brands have you tried? You're right: NEC is the updated ignitor and the one to use. I don't remember the last brand I had, except it was *not* NEC. Firestone installed it. Lasted under 50k miles, IIRC, but this may have been related to coil problems I had. From discussions before on this, the OKI brand of ignitor does not last. This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each replacement? |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote
> <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Is the inside pretty clean-looking? This came up in one of the Honda groups a > > few months ago. Some guy posted a photo of his old ignitor's guts. Full of > > gunk. > > > There was a bead of silicone around the top. I went around that with a > razor blade and scraped some out with a screwdriver. I then pried off the > top. It is very clean on the inside. Thanks. The guy who put the photo up posted more detail about the ignitor in the last several months. See http://www.gcw.org.uk/rover/igniter.htm He might chime in... > >> The igniter in question is from a '91 Civic and has "NEC MC-8132" on the > >> top. > > > > FWIW, OEM ignitors are said to last longer. (And I'm cheap, but not with > > ignitors. Anymore) > > > Which are OEM? I read that what came in the car was a different brand, but > was replaced by NEC due to failure. NEC is what I got from the dealer this > morning. Which other brands have you tried? You're right: NEC is the updated ignitor and the one to use. I don't remember the last brand I had, except it was *not* NEC. Firestone installed it. Lasted under 50k miles, IIRC, but this may have been related to coil problems I had. From discussions before on this, the OKI brand of ignitor does not last. This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each replacement? |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote
> <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Is the inside pretty clean-looking? This came up in one of the Honda groups a > > few months ago. Some guy posted a photo of his old ignitor's guts. Full of > > gunk. > > > There was a bead of silicone around the top. I went around that with a > razor blade and scraped some out with a screwdriver. I then pried off the > top. It is very clean on the inside. Thanks. The guy who put the photo up posted more detail about the ignitor in the last several months. See http://www.gcw.org.uk/rover/igniter.htm He might chime in... > >> The igniter in question is from a '91 Civic and has "NEC MC-8132" on the > >> top. > > > > FWIW, OEM ignitors are said to last longer. (And I'm cheap, but not with > > ignitors. Anymore) > > > Which are OEM? I read that what came in the car was a different brand, but > was replaced by NEC due to failure. NEC is what I got from the dealer this > morning. Which other brands have you tried? You're right: NEC is the updated ignitor and the one to use. I don't remember the last brand I had, except it was *not* NEC. Firestone installed it. Lasted under 50k miles, IIRC, but this may have been related to coil problems I had. From discussions before on this, the OKI brand of ignitor does not last. This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each replacement? |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote
> <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Is the inside pretty clean-looking? This came up in one of the Honda groups a > > few months ago. Some guy posted a photo of his old ignitor's guts. Full of > > gunk. > > > There was a bead of silicone around the top. I went around that with a > razor blade and scraped some out with a screwdriver. I then pried off the > top. It is very clean on the inside. Thanks. The guy who put the photo up posted more detail about the ignitor in the last several months. See http://www.gcw.org.uk/rover/igniter.htm He might chime in... > >> The igniter in question is from a '91 Civic and has "NEC MC-8132" on the > >> top. > > > > FWIW, OEM ignitors are said to last longer. (And I'm cheap, but not with > > ignitors. Anymore) > > > Which are OEM? I read that what came in the car was a different brand, but > was replaced by NEC due to failure. NEC is what I got from the dealer this > morning. Which other brands have you tried? You're right: NEC is the updated ignitor and the one to use. I don't remember the last brand I had, except it was *not* NEC. Firestone installed it. Lasted under 50k miles, IIRC, but this may have been related to coil problems I had. From discussions before on this, the OKI brand of ignitor does not last. This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each replacement? |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
On 1/20/04 19:40, in article
JMkPb.21168$zj7.13747@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net, "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote: <content edited> > > You're right: NEC is the updated ignitor and the one to use. > > I don't remember the last brand I had, except it was *not* NEC. Firestone > installed it. Lasted under 50k miles, IIRC, but this may have been related to > coil problems I had. > > From discussions before on this, the OKI brand of ignitor does not last. > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > replacement? > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The distributor was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the igniter then or used what was in it. Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long time... |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
On 1/20/04 19:40, in article
JMkPb.21168$zj7.13747@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net, "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote: <content edited> > > You're right: NEC is the updated ignitor and the one to use. > > I don't remember the last brand I had, except it was *not* NEC. Firestone > installed it. Lasted under 50k miles, IIRC, but this may have been related to > coil problems I had. > > From discussions before on this, the OKI brand of ignitor does not last. > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > replacement? > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The distributor was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the igniter then or used what was in it. Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long time... |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
On 1/20/04 19:40, in article
JMkPb.21168$zj7.13747@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net, "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote: <content edited> > > You're right: NEC is the updated ignitor and the one to use. > > I don't remember the last brand I had, except it was *not* NEC. Firestone > installed it. Lasted under 50k miles, IIRC, but this may have been related to > coil problems I had. > > From discussions before on this, the OKI brand of ignitor does not last. > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > replacement? > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The distributor was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the igniter then or used what was in it. Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long time... |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
On 1/20/04 19:40, in article
JMkPb.21168$zj7.13747@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net, "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote: <content edited> > > You're right: NEC is the updated ignitor and the one to use. > > I don't remember the last brand I had, except it was *not* NEC. Firestone > installed it. Lasted under 50k miles, IIRC, but this may have been related to > coil problems I had. > > From discussions before on this, the OKI brand of ignitor does not last. > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > replacement? > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The distributor was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the igniter then or used what was in it. Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long time... |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote
Caroline wrote: > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > replacement? > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The distributor > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > igniter then or used what was in it. FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. Its too expensive. > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > time... I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote
Caroline wrote: > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > replacement? > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The distributor > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > igniter then or used what was in it. FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. Its too expensive. > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > time... I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote
Caroline wrote: > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > replacement? > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The distributor > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > igniter then or used what was in it. FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. Its too expensive. > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > time... I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote
Caroline wrote: > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > replacement? > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The distributor > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > igniter then or used what was in it. FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. Its too expensive. > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > time... I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do?
I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto cycle, but an ignitor? "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:uryPb.22207$zj7.8223@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net... > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote > Caroline wrote: > > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > > replacement? > > > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The distributor > > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > > igniter then or used what was in it. > > FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. Its too > expensive. > > > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > > time... > > I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. > > |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do?
I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto cycle, but an ignitor? "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:uryPb.22207$zj7.8223@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net... > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote > Caroline wrote: > > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > > replacement? > > > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The distributor > > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > > igniter then or used what was in it. > > FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. Its too > expensive. > > > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > > time... > > I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. > > |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do?
I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto cycle, but an ignitor? "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:uryPb.22207$zj7.8223@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net... > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote > Caroline wrote: > > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > > replacement? > > > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The distributor > > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > > igniter then or used what was in it. > > FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. Its too > expensive. > > > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > > time... > > I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. > > |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do?
I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto cycle, but an ignitor? "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:uryPb.22207$zj7.8223@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net... > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote > Caroline wrote: > > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > > replacement? > > > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The distributor > > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > > igniter then or used what was in it. > > FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. Its too > expensive. > > > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > > time... > > I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. > > |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
Honda actually calls it an Ignition Control Module, others call it an
ignition amplifier. As a mechanical engineer you probably appreciate the old style ignition with points in the distributor. The way Honda does (did?) electronic ignition, the ECU sends out a pulse every time it wants voltage to be applied to the coil primary (based on solid state sensors in the distributor housing). The igniter is not much more than a power transistor that receives this pulse from the ECU and in turn does the actual switching of power to the coil primary. I don't know if this is why Honda did it this way, but the wire to the coil primary switches a fair amount of current, and the harmonic content is very high. It is a nasty RF noise radiator and by keeping the wire only a few inches long, neatly tucked into the distributor housing, the radiation is kept to a minimum. Al Smith wrote: > > I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do? > > I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto > cycle, but an ignitor? > > "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:uryPb.22207$zj7.8223@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net... > > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote > > Caroline wrote: > > > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > > > replacement? > > > > > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > > > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The > distributor > > > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > > > igniter then or used what was in it. > > > > FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. > Its too > > expensive. > > > > > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > > > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > > > time... > > > > I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. > > > > |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
Honda actually calls it an Ignition Control Module, others call it an
ignition amplifier. As a mechanical engineer you probably appreciate the old style ignition with points in the distributor. The way Honda does (did?) electronic ignition, the ECU sends out a pulse every time it wants voltage to be applied to the coil primary (based on solid state sensors in the distributor housing). The igniter is not much more than a power transistor that receives this pulse from the ECU and in turn does the actual switching of power to the coil primary. I don't know if this is why Honda did it this way, but the wire to the coil primary switches a fair amount of current, and the harmonic content is very high. It is a nasty RF noise radiator and by keeping the wire only a few inches long, neatly tucked into the distributor housing, the radiation is kept to a minimum. Al Smith wrote: > > I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do? > > I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto > cycle, but an ignitor? > > "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:uryPb.22207$zj7.8223@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net... > > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote > > Caroline wrote: > > > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > > > replacement? > > > > > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > > > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The > distributor > > > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > > > igniter then or used what was in it. > > > > FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. > Its too > > expensive. > > > > > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > > > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > > > time... > > > > I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. > > > > |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
Honda actually calls it an Ignition Control Module, others call it an
ignition amplifier. As a mechanical engineer you probably appreciate the old style ignition with points in the distributor. The way Honda does (did?) electronic ignition, the ECU sends out a pulse every time it wants voltage to be applied to the coil primary (based on solid state sensors in the distributor housing). The igniter is not much more than a power transistor that receives this pulse from the ECU and in turn does the actual switching of power to the coil primary. I don't know if this is why Honda did it this way, but the wire to the coil primary switches a fair amount of current, and the harmonic content is very high. It is a nasty RF noise radiator and by keeping the wire only a few inches long, neatly tucked into the distributor housing, the radiation is kept to a minimum. Al Smith wrote: > > I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do? > > I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto > cycle, but an ignitor? > > "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:uryPb.22207$zj7.8223@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net... > > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote > > Caroline wrote: > > > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > > > replacement? > > > > > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > > > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The > distributor > > > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > > > igniter then or used what was in it. > > > > FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. > Its too > > expensive. > > > > > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > > > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > > > time... > > > > I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. > > > > |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
Honda actually calls it an Ignition Control Module, others call it an
ignition amplifier. As a mechanical engineer you probably appreciate the old style ignition with points in the distributor. The way Honda does (did?) electronic ignition, the ECU sends out a pulse every time it wants voltage to be applied to the coil primary (based on solid state sensors in the distributor housing). The igniter is not much more than a power transistor that receives this pulse from the ECU and in turn does the actual switching of power to the coil primary. I don't know if this is why Honda did it this way, but the wire to the coil primary switches a fair amount of current, and the harmonic content is very high. It is a nasty RF noise radiator and by keeping the wire only a few inches long, neatly tucked into the distributor housing, the radiation is kept to a minimum. Al Smith wrote: > > I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do? > > I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto > cycle, but an ignitor? > > "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:uryPb.22207$zj7.8223@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net... > > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote > > Caroline wrote: > > > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > > > replacement? > > > > > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > > > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The > distributor > > > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > > > igniter then or used what was in it. > > > > FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. > Its too > > expensive. > > > > > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > > > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > > > time... > > > > I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. > > > > |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Al Smith" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:100u7o0h5bgj43c@corp.supernews.com: > I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do? > > I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto > cycle, but an ignitor? > It's what Honda called the ignition control module,that switches the current thru the ignition coil in place of the old-style breaker points no longer in use. here's a pic and some info on one. http://www.gcw.org.uk/rover/igniter.htm -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Al Smith" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:100u7o0h5bgj43c@corp.supernews.com: > I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do? > > I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto > cycle, but an ignitor? > It's what Honda called the ignition control module,that switches the current thru the ignition coil in place of the old-style breaker points no longer in use. here's a pic and some info on one. http://www.gcw.org.uk/rover/igniter.htm -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Al Smith" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:100u7o0h5bgj43c@corp.supernews.com: > I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do? > > I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto > cycle, but an ignitor? > It's what Honda called the ignition control module,that switches the current thru the ignition coil in place of the old-style breaker points no longer in use. here's a pic and some info on one. http://www.gcw.org.uk/rover/igniter.htm -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
"Al Smith" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:100u7o0h5bgj43c@corp.supernews.com: > I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do? > > I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto > cycle, but an ignitor? > It's what Honda called the ignition control module,that switches the current thru the ignition coil in place of the old-style breaker points no longer in use. here's a pic and some info on one. http://www.gcw.org.uk/rover/igniter.htm -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
OK. So, what does Chrysler call it?
My mother's 1984 Plymouth Reliant died last year. The local garage guy said he put in a new ignitor. It worked and didn't cost a lot, so I didn't worry about except that I thought to myself, "What the hell is an ignitor?" Apparently, it is what you call left-over ignition parts that you don't have any other name for. "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message news:400F2405.A1C5F374@junkmail.com... > Honda actually calls it an Ignition Control Module, others call it an > ignition amplifier. As a mechanical engineer you probably appreciate the > old style ignition with points in the distributor. The way Honda does > (did?) electronic ignition, the ECU sends out a pulse every time it > wants voltage to be applied to the coil primary (based on solid state > sensors in the distributor housing). The igniter is not much more than a > power transistor that receives this pulse from the ECU and in turn does > the actual switching of power to the coil primary. > > I don't know if this is why Honda did it this way, but the wire to the > coil primary switches a fair amount of current, and the harmonic content > is very high. It is a nasty RF noise radiator and by keeping the wire > only a few inches long, neatly tucked into the distributor housing, the > radiation is kept to a minimum. > > Al Smith wrote: > > > > I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do? > > > > I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto > > cycle, but an ignitor? > > > > "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:uryPb.22207$zj7.8223@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net... > > > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote > > > Caroline wrote: > > > > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > > > > replacement? > > > > > > > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > > > > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The > > distributor > > > > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > > > > igniter then or used what was in it. > > > > > > FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. > > Its too > > > expensive. > > > > > > > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > > > > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > > > > time... > > > > > > I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. > > > > > > |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
OK. So, what does Chrysler call it?
My mother's 1984 Plymouth Reliant died last year. The local garage guy said he put in a new ignitor. It worked and didn't cost a lot, so I didn't worry about except that I thought to myself, "What the hell is an ignitor?" Apparently, it is what you call left-over ignition parts that you don't have any other name for. "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message news:400F2405.A1C5F374@junkmail.com... > Honda actually calls it an Ignition Control Module, others call it an > ignition amplifier. As a mechanical engineer you probably appreciate the > old style ignition with points in the distributor. The way Honda does > (did?) electronic ignition, the ECU sends out a pulse every time it > wants voltage to be applied to the coil primary (based on solid state > sensors in the distributor housing). The igniter is not much more than a > power transistor that receives this pulse from the ECU and in turn does > the actual switching of power to the coil primary. > > I don't know if this is why Honda did it this way, but the wire to the > coil primary switches a fair amount of current, and the harmonic content > is very high. It is a nasty RF noise radiator and by keeping the wire > only a few inches long, neatly tucked into the distributor housing, the > radiation is kept to a minimum. > > Al Smith wrote: > > > > I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do? > > > > I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto > > cycle, but an ignitor? > > > > "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:uryPb.22207$zj7.8223@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net... > > > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote > > > Caroline wrote: > > > > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > > > > replacement? > > > > > > > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > > > > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The > > distributor > > > > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > > > > igniter then or used what was in it. > > > > > > FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. > > Its too > > > expensive. > > > > > > > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > > > > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > > > > time... > > > > > > I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. > > > > > > |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
OK. So, what does Chrysler call it?
My mother's 1984 Plymouth Reliant died last year. The local garage guy said he put in a new ignitor. It worked and didn't cost a lot, so I didn't worry about except that I thought to myself, "What the hell is an ignitor?" Apparently, it is what you call left-over ignition parts that you don't have any other name for. "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message news:400F2405.A1C5F374@junkmail.com... > Honda actually calls it an Ignition Control Module, others call it an > ignition amplifier. As a mechanical engineer you probably appreciate the > old style ignition with points in the distributor. The way Honda does > (did?) electronic ignition, the ECU sends out a pulse every time it > wants voltage to be applied to the coil primary (based on solid state > sensors in the distributor housing). The igniter is not much more than a > power transistor that receives this pulse from the ECU and in turn does > the actual switching of power to the coil primary. > > I don't know if this is why Honda did it this way, but the wire to the > coil primary switches a fair amount of current, and the harmonic content > is very high. It is a nasty RF noise radiator and by keeping the wire > only a few inches long, neatly tucked into the distributor housing, the > radiation is kept to a minimum. > > Al Smith wrote: > > > > I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do? > > > > I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto > > cycle, but an ignitor? > > > > "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:uryPb.22207$zj7.8223@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net... > > > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote > > > Caroline wrote: > > > > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > > > > replacement? > > > > > > > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > > > > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The > > distributor > > > > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > > > > igniter then or used what was in it. > > > > > > FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. > > Its too > > > expensive. > > > > > > > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > > > > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > > > > time... > > > > > > I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. > > > > > > |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
OK. So, what does Chrysler call it?
My mother's 1984 Plymouth Reliant died last year. The local garage guy said he put in a new ignitor. It worked and didn't cost a lot, so I didn't worry about except that I thought to myself, "What the hell is an ignitor?" Apparently, it is what you call left-over ignition parts that you don't have any other name for. "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message news:400F2405.A1C5F374@junkmail.com... > Honda actually calls it an Ignition Control Module, others call it an > ignition amplifier. As a mechanical engineer you probably appreciate the > old style ignition with points in the distributor. The way Honda does > (did?) electronic ignition, the ECU sends out a pulse every time it > wants voltage to be applied to the coil primary (based on solid state > sensors in the distributor housing). The igniter is not much more than a > power transistor that receives this pulse from the ECU and in turn does > the actual switching of power to the coil primary. > > I don't know if this is why Honda did it this way, but the wire to the > coil primary switches a fair amount of current, and the harmonic content > is very high. It is a nasty RF noise radiator and by keeping the wire > only a few inches long, neatly tucked into the distributor housing, the > radiation is kept to a minimum. > > Al Smith wrote: > > > > I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do? > > > > I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto > > cycle, but an ignitor? > > > > "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:uryPb.22207$zj7.8223@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net... > > > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote > > > Caroline wrote: > > > > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at each > > > > > replacement? > > > > > > > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about 5,000 > > > > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The > > distributor > > > > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced the > > > > igniter then or used what was in it. > > > > > > FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the igniter. > > Its too > > > expensive. > > > > > > > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > > > > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, long > > > > time... > > > > > > I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k miles. > > > > > > |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
Honda is certainly not the only car manufacturer that uses ignitors (= igniters
= ignition control module). I see igniters listed online for sale for 1984 Plymouth Reliants. E.g. see http://www.plymouthpartstore.com/ , which says they have them for $79 for the smaller, 2.2 liter engine and over $135 for the larger, 2.6 liter engine (not counting shipping costs). This particular site calls the part "ignition control module," but I bet the exact same part for your car is also routinely called "igniter" or "ignitor." Lots on the net on the subject... "Al Smith" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote > OK. So, what does Chrysler call it? > > My mother's 1984 Plymouth Reliant died last year. The local garage > guy said he put in a new ignitor. It worked and didn't cost > a lot, so I didn't worry about except that I thought to myself, > "What the hell is an ignitor?" > > Apparently, it is what you call left-over ignition parts that > you don't have any other name for. > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote > > Honda actually calls it an Ignition Control Module, others call it an > > ignition amplifier. As a mechanical engineer you probably appreciate the > > old style ignition with points in the distributor. The way Honda does > > (did?) electronic ignition, the ECU sends out a pulse every time it > > wants voltage to be applied to the coil primary (based on solid state > > sensors in the distributor housing). The igniter is not much more than a > > power transistor that receives this pulse from the ECU and in turn does > > the actual switching of power to the coil primary. > > > > I don't know if this is why Honda did it this way, but the wire to the > > coil primary switches a fair amount of current, and the harmonic content > > is very high. It is a nasty RF noise radiator and by keeping the wire > > only a few inches long, neatly tucked into the distributor housing, the > > radiation is kept to a minimum. > > > > Al Smith wrote: > > > > > > I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do? > > > > > > I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto > > > cycle, but an ignitor? > > > > > > "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > > news:uryPb.22207$zj7.8223@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net... > > > > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote > > > > Caroline wrote: > > > > > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at > each > > > > > > replacement? > > > > > > > > > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about > 5,000 > > > > > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The > > > distributor > > > > > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced > the > > > > > igniter then or used what was in it. > > > > > > > > FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the > igniter. > > > Its too > > > > expensive. > > > > > > > > > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > > > > > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, > long > > > > > time... > > > > > > > > I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k > miles. > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
Honda is certainly not the only car manufacturer that uses ignitors (= igniters
= ignition control module). I see igniters listed online for sale for 1984 Plymouth Reliants. E.g. see http://www.plymouthpartstore.com/ , which says they have them for $79 for the smaller, 2.2 liter engine and over $135 for the larger, 2.6 liter engine (not counting shipping costs). This particular site calls the part "ignition control module," but I bet the exact same part for your car is also routinely called "igniter" or "ignitor." Lots on the net on the subject... "Al Smith" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote > OK. So, what does Chrysler call it? > > My mother's 1984 Plymouth Reliant died last year. The local garage > guy said he put in a new ignitor. It worked and didn't cost > a lot, so I didn't worry about except that I thought to myself, > "What the hell is an ignitor?" > > Apparently, it is what you call left-over ignition parts that > you don't have any other name for. > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote > > Honda actually calls it an Ignition Control Module, others call it an > > ignition amplifier. As a mechanical engineer you probably appreciate the > > old style ignition with points in the distributor. The way Honda does > > (did?) electronic ignition, the ECU sends out a pulse every time it > > wants voltage to be applied to the coil primary (based on solid state > > sensors in the distributor housing). The igniter is not much more than a > > power transistor that receives this pulse from the ECU and in turn does > > the actual switching of power to the coil primary. > > > > I don't know if this is why Honda did it this way, but the wire to the > > coil primary switches a fair amount of current, and the harmonic content > > is very high. It is a nasty RF noise radiator and by keeping the wire > > only a few inches long, neatly tucked into the distributor housing, the > > radiation is kept to a minimum. > > > > Al Smith wrote: > > > > > > I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do? > > > > > > I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto > > > cycle, but an ignitor? > > > > > > "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > > news:uryPb.22207$zj7.8223@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net... > > > > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote > > > > Caroline wrote: > > > > > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at > each > > > > > > replacement? > > > > > > > > > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about > 5,000 > > > > > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The > > > distributor > > > > > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced > the > > > > > igniter then or used what was in it. > > > > > > > > FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the > igniter. > > > Its too > > > > expensive. > > > > > > > > > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > > > > > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, > long > > > > > time... > > > > > > > > I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k > miles. > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Can Igniters be fixed?
Honda is certainly not the only car manufacturer that uses ignitors (= igniters
= ignition control module). I see igniters listed online for sale for 1984 Plymouth Reliants. E.g. see http://www.plymouthpartstore.com/ , which says they have them for $79 for the smaller, 2.2 liter engine and over $135 for the larger, 2.6 liter engine (not counting shipping costs). This particular site calls the part "ignition control module," but I bet the exact same part for your car is also routinely called "igniter" or "ignitor." Lots on the net on the subject... "Al Smith" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote > OK. So, what does Chrysler call it? > > My mother's 1984 Plymouth Reliant died last year. The local garage > guy said he put in a new ignitor. It worked and didn't cost > a lot, so I didn't worry about except that I thought to myself, > "What the hell is an ignitor?" > > Apparently, it is what you call left-over ignition parts that > you don't have any other name for. > > "Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote > > Honda actually calls it an Ignition Control Module, others call it an > > ignition amplifier. As a mechanical engineer you probably appreciate the > > old style ignition with points in the distributor. The way Honda does > > (did?) electronic ignition, the ECU sends out a pulse every time it > > wants voltage to be applied to the coil primary (based on solid state > > sensors in the distributor housing). The igniter is not much more than a > > power transistor that receives this pulse from the ECU and in turn does > > the actual switching of power to the coil primary. > > > > I don't know if this is why Honda did it this way, but the wire to the > > coil primary switches a fair amount of current, and the harmonic content > > is very high. It is a nasty RF noise radiator and by keeping the wire > > only a few inches long, neatly tucked into the distributor housing, the > > radiation is kept to a minimum. > > > > Al Smith wrote: > > > > > > I gotta ask. What is an ignitor? What does it do? > > > > > > I am a mechanical engineer. I know all about the Otto > > > cycle, but an ignitor? > > > > > > "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > > news:uryPb.22207$zj7.8223@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net... > > > > "Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote > > > > Caroline wrote: > > > > > > This the first time you replaced the ignitor? How many miles at > each > > > > > > replacement? > > > > > > > > > > Yep, this is my first time. I have only owned the car for about > 5,000 > > > > > miles. It is now at 126,000 and is in excellent condition. The > > > distributor > > > > > was replaced at 119,000 and I don't know if they would have replaced > the > > > > > igniter then or used what was in it. > > > > > > > > FWIW, from my experience, they wouldn't necessarily replace the > igniter. > > > Its too > > > > expensive. > > > > > > > > > Hopefully the one I pulled lasted more > > > > > than 7,000 miles! I should say I hope the new one lasts a long, > long > > > > > time... > > > > > > > > I think I'm going to replace mine regularly now, at about every 80k > miles. > > > > > > > > > > |
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