Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone is claiming this and
I think it's just their imagination, but I was wondering if there'd be
any technical reason. I can't think of one, unless the oil was quarts
low or something drastic, which it wasn't.

Thanks--
Al

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

"Big Al" <big@big.com> wrote in message
news:big-820E48.07530926042009@freenews.netfront.net...
> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone is claiming this and
> I think it's just their imagination, but I was wondering if there'd be
> any technical reason. I can't think of one, unless the oil was quarts
> low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>
> Thanks--
> Al

Strictly imagination. Of course, perhaps that would be the case if you
never performed the required maintenance on time.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Big Al wrote:
> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone is claiming this and
> I think it's just their imagination, but I was wondering if there'd be
> any technical reason. I can't think of one, unless the oil was quarts
> low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>
> Thanks--
> Al
Not unless someone noticed a loose plug wire and stuck it back on or
something like that .....

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Big Al wrote:
> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone is claiming this and
> I think it's just their imagination, but I was wondering if there'd be
> any technical reason. I can't think of one, unless the oil was quarts
> low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>
> Thanks--
> Al

of course you could, although it really depends on the state of the old
oil.

usually, oil goes up in viscosity as particle load increases with age,
so the engine will be having to work very slightly harder against that.
you'd not expect a big difference on changing to fresh, but it can be
there. i doubt that recreational oil changers that compulsively do it
every 2k miles will notice anything.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Big Al <big@big.com> wrote in news:big-820E48.07530926042009
@freenews.netfront.net:

> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone is claiming this and
> I think it's just their imagination, but I was wondering if there'd be
> any technical reason. I can't think of one, unless the oil was quarts
> low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>



No alterations will be felt simply by the fact of the oil change.

Psychologically though, some may feel as though the car is running better
because they've done something "good" for the car.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

On 2009-04-26 04:53:09 -0700, Big Al <big@big.com> said:

> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone is claiming this and
> I think it's just their imagination, but I was wondering if there'd be
> any technical reason. I can't think of one, unless the oil was quarts
> low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>
> Thanks--
> Al

Of course you can! Just like after a nice wash and wax. Everything is
smooth and powerful. At least, that's the way it is with me.
jor

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Big Al wrote:
> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone is claiming this and
> I think it's just their imagination, but I was wondering if there'd be
> any technical reason. I can't think of one, unless the oil was quarts
> low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>
> Thanks--
> Al
Hi,
Yes for sure.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:54:26 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:

> Big Al wrote:
>> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
>> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone is claiming this and
>> I think it's just their imagination, but I was wondering if there'd be
>> any technical reason. I can't think of one, unless the oil was quarts
>> low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>>
>> Thanks--
>> Al
> Hi,
> Yes for sure.

I notice the engine runs a little smoother with fresh oil.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

jim beam wrote:
> Big Al wrote:
>> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
>> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone is claiming this
>> and I think it's just their imagination, but I was wondering if
>> there'd be any technical reason. I can't think of one, unless the oil
>> was quarts low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>>
>> Thanks--
>> Al
>
> of course you could, although it really depends on the state of the old
> oil.
>
> usually, oil goes up in viscosity as particle load increases with age,
> so the engine will be having to work very slightly harder against that.
> you'd not expect a big difference on changing to fresh, but it can be
> there. i doubt that recreational oil changers that compulsively do it
> every 2k miles will notice anything.

http://www.bishopsperformance.com/dynoinfo.htm

this is not a great link, but it's quick.

"Another little known fact is that the type and weight of oil can affect
the power as well. Pure synthetic oil can easily show a 1% - 3% or
greater increase in horsepower compared to conventional petroleum based
oil."

the same applies for older more viscous oil.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:54:26 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:
>
>> Big Al wrote:
>>> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
>>> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone is claiming this and
>>> I think it's just their imagination, but I was wondering if there'd be
>>> any technical reason. I can't think of one, unless the oil was quarts
>>> low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>>>
>>> Thanks--
>>> Al
>> Hi,
>> Yes for sure.
>
> I notice the engine runs a little smoother with fresh oil.
>
Main thing I notice is the used oil kills the weeds along the fence.
Here's some reading for ya,
$10 Million, Just for Motor Oil
The most advanced piece of technology in a Nascar vehicle these days
isn't its engine, its suspension or anything made of carbon fiber. It's
the motor oil.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123932274269507173.html

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:11:13 -0500, Fat Moe wrote:

>>>> Thanks--
>>>> Al
>>> Hi,
>>> Yes for sure.
>>
>> I notice the engine runs a little smoother with fresh oil.
>>
> Main thing I notice is the used oil kills the weeds along the fence.

I notice if you lived where I live, you'd have to pay a hefty fine and
clean it up at enormous expense...

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:11:13 -0500, Fat Moe wrote:
>
>>>>> Thanks--
>>>>> Al
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Yes for sure.
>>> I notice the engine runs a little smoother with fresh oil.
>>>
>> Main thing I notice is the used oil kills the weeds along the fence.
>
> I notice if you lived where I live, you'd have to pay a hefty fine and
> clean it up at enormous expense...
>
>
>
It's OK here, and it works great as termite preventer. I
"scientifically" applied a few gallons to a section of fence with a
Wagner spray gun and no termites on that section after 15 years, they
went through the rest like a buzz saw. Neighbor thought I was running a
tattoo gun and came over to see what kind of rig I was running.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

When I was a kid and we had to put in new fence posts, we routinely soaked
the bottom foot or so in old drain oil. Did that now I'd be in jail. And
no, I've never noticed anything after an oil change as far as performance.
But I seldom go as far as 4000 miles as I prepayed for 3000/3month "free"
lifetime oil/filter changes.

Ron in Idaho

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:54:26 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:
>
>> Big Al wrote:
>>> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
>>> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone is claiming this and
>>> I think it's just their imagination, but I was wondering if there'd be
>>> any technical reason. I can't think of one, unless the oil was quarts
>>> low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>>>
>>> Thanks--
>>> Al
>> Hi,
>> Yes for sure.
>
> I notice the engine runs a little smoother with fresh oil.
>



I notice my wallet is lighter.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Big Al wrote:
> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change?

No.

> Someone is claiming this and
> I think it's just their imagination, but I was wondering if there'd be
> any technical reason. I can't think of one, unless the oil was quarts
> low or something drastic, which it wasn't.

People claim a lot of things. I.e. they claim they can feel the
difference between synthetic base stock oil and petroleum base stock
oil, but of course they can't.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

SMS wrote:
> Big Al wrote:
>> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
>> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change?
>
> No.
>
>> Someone is claiming this and I think it's just their imagination, but
>> I was wondering if there'd be any technical reason. I can't think of
>> one, unless the oil was quarts low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>
> People claim a lot of things. I.e. they claim they can feel the
> difference between synthetic base stock oil and petroleum base stock
> oil, but of course they can't.

except that you can measure the difference on a dyno. 1-3% in not
trivial. that means you'll be a cars length ahead of the guy that
started beside you by the end of the block.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:49:24 -0400, News wrote:

>
>
> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:54:26 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:
>>
>>> Big Al wrote:
>>>> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
>>>> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone is claiming this and
>>>> I think it's just their imagination, but I was wondering if there'd be
>>>> any technical reason. I can't think of one, unless the oil was quarts
>>>> low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks--
>>>> Al
>>> Hi,
>>> Yes for sure.
>>
>> I notice the engine runs a little smoother with fresh oil.
>>
>
>
>
> I notice my wallet is lighter.

That's for sure.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

On Apr 26, 1:18 pm, jim beam <retard-fin...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> SMS wrote:
> > Big Al wrote:
> >> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
> >> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change?
>
> > No.
>
> >> Someone is claiming this and I think it's just their imagination, but
> >> I was wondering if there'd be any technical reason. I can't think of
> >> one, unless the oil was quarts low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>
> > People claim a lot of things. I.e. they claim they can feel the
> > difference between synthetic base stock oil and petroleum base stock
> > oil, but of course they can't.
>
> except that you can measure the difference on a dyno. 1-3% in not
> trivial. that means you'll be a cars length ahead of the guy that
> started beside you by the end of the block.

A car's length? It would be hard to feel the difference in
acceleration. Plus, you would have to floor it to feel the difference.

No, it's one's imagination.

Jeff

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Jeff wrote:
> On Apr 26, 1:18�pm, jim beam <retard-fin...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> SMS wrote:
>>> Big Al wrote:
>>>> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
>>>> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change?
>>> No.
>>>> Someone is claiming this and I think it's just their imagination, but
>>>> I was wondering if there'd be any technical reason. �I can't think of
>>>> one, unless the oil was quarts low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>>> People claim a lot of things. I.e. they claim they can feel the
>>> difference between synthetic base stock oil and petroleum base stock
>>> oil, but of course they can't.
>> except that you can measure the difference on a dyno. �1-3% in not
>> trivial. �that means you'll be a cars length ahead of the guy that
>> started beside you by the end of the block.
>
> A car's length? It would be hard to feel the difference in
> acceleration. Plus, you would have to floor it to feel the difference.
>
> No, it's one's imagination.
>
> Jeff

not good at math - are you.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Jeff wrote:

> A car's length? It would be hard to feel the difference in
> acceleration. Plus, you would have to floor it to feel the difference.
>
> No, it's one's imagination.

What's rather amusing is that even companies like Exxon-Mobile have
never claimed, nor of course proven, an increase in MPG from synthetic
base stock oil. Of course you see claims all over the map from Amsoil's
multi-level-marketing distributors.

Of course there are benefits to synthetic base stock oil in some
circumstances, such as extremely cold climates. For most people,
synthetic is simply throwing money away, other than the fact that it
makes them feel good by believing they are doing something good. It's
rather like a religion.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

SMS wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>
>> A car's length? It would be hard to feel the difference in
>> acceleration. Plus, you would have to floor it to feel the difference.
>>
>> No, it's one's imagination.
>
> What's rather amusing is that even companies like Exxon-Mobile have
> never claimed, nor of course proven, an increase in MPG from synthetic
> base stock oil.

er, yes they have. that's why they have "economy" branded blends.


> Of course you see claims all over the map from Amsoil's
> multi-level-marketing distributors.

of course, because amsoil marketeers are -heads, that means all the
technology of all other companies is bogus!


>
> Of course there are benefits to synthetic base stock oil in some
> circumstances, such as extremely cold climates.

but you just said that there's no such thing as better economy. you
/do/ know that economy and viscosity, what affects cold starting, are
related don't you??? oh, wait, maybe you didn't.


> For most people,
> synthetic is simply throwing money away, other than the fact that it
> makes them feel good by believing they are doing something good. It's
> rather like a religion.

yup. and remaining fiercely ignorant is a fabulous way to go through life.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

On Apr 26, 2:17 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
> > A car's length? It would be hard to feel the difference in
> > acceleration. Plus, you would have to floor it to feel the difference.
>
> > No, it's one's imagination.
>
> What's rather amusing is that even companies like Exxon-Mobile have
> never claimed, nor of course proven, an increase in MPG from synthetic
> base stock oil. Of course you see claims all over the map from Amsoil's
> multi-level-marketing distributors.

They don't? Look here: <http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/
Oils/Mobil_1_FAQs.aspx#FAQs1>

> Of course there are benefits to synthetic base stock oil in some
> circumstances, such as extremely cold climates. For most people,
> synthetic is simply throwing money away, other than the fact that it
> makes them feel good by believing they are doing something good. It's
> rather like a religion.

Actually, if there is less friction, there is better fuel economy.

And to meet the oil standards set by the API, the oil has to save
fuel. And, the engine will last longer.

Overall, though, the savings are small and only a small percentage of
people will actually have their cars long enough to benefit from a
longer-lasting engine. Most people sell their cars well before this or
the cars have other problems, like that a crash, that ends the service
of the car.

Jeff

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Fat Moe wrote:
> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:54:26 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:
>>
>>> Big Al wrote:
>>>> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better
>>>> acceleration, etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone is
>>>> claiming this and I think it's just their imagination, but I was
>>>> wondering if there'd be any technical reason. I can't think of one,
>>>> unless the oil was quarts low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks--
>>>> Al
>>> Hi,
>>> Yes for sure.
>>
>> I notice the engine runs a little smoother with fresh oil.
> Main thing I notice is the used oil kills the weeds along the fence.
> Here's some reading for ya,
> $10 Million, Just for Motor Oil
> The most advanced piece of technology in a Nascar vehicle these days
> isn't its engine, its suspension or anything made of carbon fiber. It's
> the motor oil.
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123932274269507173.html
Whoa!
You do what? I hope you are not using used oil to kill weeds.
That is against the law for sure and BAD thing to do for the environment.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

SMS wrote:
> Big Al wrote:
>> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
>> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change?
>
> No.
>
>> Someone is claiming this and I think it's just their imagination, but
>> I was wondering if there'd be any technical reason. I can't think of
>> one, unless the oil was quarts low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>
> People claim a lot of things. I.e. they claim they can feel the
> difference between synthetic base stock oil and petroleum base stock
> oil, but of course they can't.
Hmmm,
They can unless being dumb. Just watch the tach.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Tony Hwang wrote:
> Fat Moe wrote:
>> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:54:26 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:
>>>
>>>> Big Al wrote:
>>>>> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better
>>>>> acceleration, etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone
>>>>> is claiming this and I think it's just their imagination, but I was
>>>>> wondering if there'd be any technical reason. I can't think of
>>>>> one, unless the oil was quarts low or something drastic, which it
>>>>> wasn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks--
>>>>> Al
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Yes for sure.
>>>
>>> I notice the engine runs a little smoother with fresh oil.
>> Main thing I notice is the used oil kills the weeds along the fence.
>> Here's some reading for ya,
>> $10 Million, Just for Motor Oil
>> The most advanced piece of technology in a Nascar vehicle these days
>> isn't its engine, its suspension or anything made of carbon fiber.
>> It's the motor oil.
>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123932274269507173.html
> Whoa!
> You do what? I hope you are not using used oil to kill weeds.
> That is against the law for sure and BAD thing to do for the environment.

have you ever been to la brea tar pits?

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Jeff wrote:
> On Apr 26, 1:18 pm, jim beam <retard-fin...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> SMS wrote:
>>> Big Al wrote:
>>>> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
>>>> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change?
>>> No.
>>>> Someone is claiming this and I think it's just their imagination, but
>>>> I was wondering if there'd be any technical reason. I can't think of
>>>> one, unless the oil was quarts low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>>> People claim a lot of things. I.e. they claim they can feel the
>>> difference between synthetic base stock oil and petroleum base stock
>>> oil, but of course they can't.
>> except that you can measure the difference on a dyno. 1-3% in not
>> trivial. that means you'll be a cars length ahead of the guy that
>> started beside you by the end of the block.
>
> A car's length? It would be hard to feel the difference in
> acceleration. Plus, you would have to floor it to feel the difference.
>
> No, it's one's imagination.
>
> Jeff
Hi,
Then you must be so called motor vehicle operator, not a driver.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

SMS wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>
>> A car's length? It would be hard to feel the difference in
>> acceleration. Plus, you would have to floor it to feel the difference.
>>
>> No, it's one's imagination.
>
> What's rather amusing is that even companies like Exxon-Mobile have
> never claimed, nor of course proven, an increase in MPG from synthetic
> base stock oil. Of course you see claims all over the map from Amsoil's
> multi-level-marketing distributors.
>
> Of course there are benefits to synthetic base stock oil in some
> circumstances, such as extremely cold climates. For most people,
> synthetic is simply throwing money away, other than the fact that it
> makes them feel good by believing they are doing something good. It's
> rather like a religion.
Hmmm,
I don't live my life based on some one's claim.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

jim beam wrote:
> Tony Hwang wrote:
>> Fat Moe wrote:
>>> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:54:26 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Big Al wrote:
>>>>>> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better
>>>>>> acceleration, etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone
>>>>>> is claiming this and I think it's just their imagination, but I
>>>>>> was wondering if there'd be any technical reason. I can't think
>>>>>> of one, unless the oil was quarts low or something drastic, which
>>>>>> it wasn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks--
>>>>>> Al
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Yes for sure.
>>>>
>>>> I notice the engine runs a little smoother with fresh oil.
>>> Main thing I notice is the used oil kills the weeds along the fence.
>>> Here's some reading for ya,
>>> $10 Million, Just for Motor Oil
>>> The most advanced piece of technology in a Nascar vehicle these days
>>> isn't its engine, its suspension or anything made of carbon fiber.
>>> It's the motor oil.
>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123932274269507173.html
>> Whoa!
>> You do what? I hope you are not using used oil to kill weeds.
>> That is against the law for sure and BAD thing to do for the environment.
>
> have you ever been to la brea tar pits?
Hi,
Have you been to oil sand tiling pond?

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Jeff wrote:
> On Apr 26, 2:17 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> Jeff wrote:
>>> A car's length? It would be hard to feel the difference in
>>> acceleration. Plus, you would have to floor it to feel the difference.
>>> No, it's one's imagination.
>> What's rather amusing is that even companies like Exxon-Mobile have
>> never claimed, nor of course proven, an increase in MPG from synthetic
>> base stock oil. Of course you see claims all over the map from Amsoil's
>> multi-level-marketing distributors.
>
> They don't? Look here: <http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/
> Oils/Mobil_1_FAQs.aspx#FAQs1>

They only claim the increased fuel economy for 0W20 and 0W30. Yeah,
since it's not possible to make a 0W20 or 0W30 with petroleum base
stock, they have a point there. But even for the "Advanced Fuel Economy"
products, they keep going back to "during warm up" every time they make
a claim of reduced friction or "saving" energy.

"During warm-up, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy flows faster because of
its lower viscosity to minimize metal to metal contact to reduce
friction and wear."

"During the warm up phase, the Mobil 1 fully synthetic formulation
because of its lower viscosity flows more easily through the oil pump,
requiring less energy to pump the oil to the critical engine parts."

"http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Advanced_Fuel_Economy.aspx"

But for their "regular" synthetic oil, 5W20 and 5W30, they make no
claims of increased fuel economy.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Tony Hwang wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> Tony Hwang wrote:
>>> Fat Moe wrote:
>>>> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:54:26 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better
>>>>>>> acceleration, etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone
>>>>>>> is claiming this and I think it's just their imagination, but I
>>>>>>> was wondering if there'd be any technical reason. I can't think
>>>>>>> of one, unless the oil was quarts low or something drastic, which
>>>>>>> it wasn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks--
>>>>>>> Al
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Yes for sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> I notice the engine runs a little smoother with fresh oil.
>>>> Main thing I notice is the used oil kills the weeds along the fence.
>>>> Here's some reading for ya,
>>>> $10 Million, Just for Motor Oil
>>>> The most advanced piece of technology in a Nascar vehicle these days
>>>> isn't its engine, its suspension or anything made of carbon fiber.
>>>> It's the motor oil.
>>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123932274269507173.html
>>> Whoa!
>>> You do what? I hope you are not using used oil to kill weeds.
>>> That is against the law for sure and BAD thing to do for the
>>> environment.
>>
>> have you ever been to la brea tar pits?
> Hi,
> Have you been to oil sand tiling pond?

no, but i've been to the tar pits and they're rank. my point is, while
i don't think it's a good idea to wantonly oil anywhere, nature
does a pretty good job of ing that stuff about on its own.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

SMS wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>> On Apr 26, 2:17 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>> A car's length? It would be hard to feel the difference in
>>>> acceleration. Plus, you would have to floor it to feel the difference.
>>>> No, it's one's imagination.
>>> What's rather amusing is that even companies like Exxon-Mobile have
>>> never claimed, nor of course proven, an increase in MPG from synthetic
>>> base stock oil. Of course you see claims all over the map from Amsoil's
>>> multi-level-marketing distributors.
>>
>> They don't? Look here: <http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/
>> Oils/Mobil_1_FAQs.aspx#FAQs1>
>
> They only claim the increased fuel economy for 0W20 and 0W30. Yeah,
> since it's not possible to make a 0W20 or 0W30 with petroleum base
> stock, they have a point there. But even for the "Advanced Fuel Economy"
> products, they keep going back to "during warm up" every time they make
> a claim of reduced friction or "saving" energy.
>
> "During warm-up, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy flows faster because of
> its lower viscosity to minimize metal to metal contact to reduce
> friction and wear."

you're confused dude. badly confused.


>
> "During the warm up phase, the Mobil 1 fully synthetic formulation
> because of its lower viscosity flows more easily through the oil pump,
> requiring less energy to pump the oil to the critical engine parts."
>
> "http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Advanced_Fuel_Economy.aspx"
>
>
> But for their "regular" synthetic oil, 5W20 and 5W30, they make no
> claims of increased fuel economy.

see above.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

On Apr 26, 2:45 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
> > On Apr 26, 2:17 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >> Jeff wrote:
> >>> A car's length? It would be hard to feel the difference in
> >>> acceleration. Plus, you would have to floor it to feel the difference..
> >>> No, it's one's imagination.
> >> What's rather amusing is that even companies like Exxon-Mobile have
> >> never claimed, nor of course proven, an increase in MPG from synthetic
> >> base stock oil. Of course you see claims all over the map from Amsoil's
> >> multi-level-marketing distributors.
>
> > They don't? Look here: <http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/
> > Oils/Mobil_1_FAQs.aspx#FAQs1>
>
> They only claim the increased fuel economy for 0W20 and 0W30. Yeah,
> since it's not possible to make a 0W20 or 0W30 with petroleum base
> stock, they have a point there. But even for the "Advanced Fuel Economy"
> products, they keep going back to "during warm up" every time they make
> a claim of reduced friction or "saving" energy.
>
> "During warm-up, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy flows faster because of
> its lower viscosity to minimize metal to metal contact to reduce
> friction and wear."
>
> "During the warm up phase, the Mobil 1 fully synthetic formulation
> because of its lower viscosity flows more easily through the oil pump,
> requiring less energy to pump the oil to the critical engine parts."
>
> "http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Advanced_Fu..."
>
> But for their "regular" synthetic oil, 5W20 and 5W30, they make no
> claims of increased fuel economy.

Really? <http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/
GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_5W-20.asp>

Are you going to keep backtracking?

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Jeff wrote:
<snip for clarity>
>
> Are you going to keep backtracking?

of course he is - he doesn't understand what the heck he's talking about.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Jeff wrote:
> On Apr 26, 2:45 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> Jeff wrote:
>>> On Apr 26, 2:17 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>> A car's length? It would be hard to feel the difference in
>>>>> acceleration. Plus, you would have to floor it to feel the difference.
>>>>> No, it's one's imagination.
>>>> What's rather amusing is that even companies like Exxon-Mobile have
>>>> never claimed, nor of course proven, an increase in MPG from synthetic
>>>> base stock oil. Of course you see claims all over the map from Amsoil's
>>>> multi-level-marketing distributors.
>>> They don't? Look here: <http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/
>>> Oils/Mobil_1_FAQs.aspx#FAQs1>
>> They only claim the increased fuel economy for 0W20 and 0W30. Yeah,
>> since it's not possible to make a 0W20 or 0W30 with petroleum base
>> stock, they have a point there. But even for the "Advanced Fuel Economy"
>> products, they keep going back to "during warm up" every time they make
>> a claim of reduced friction or "saving" energy.
>>
>> "During warm-up, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy flows faster because of
>> its lower viscosity to minimize metal to metal contact to reduce
>> friction and wear."
>>
>> "During the warm up phase, the Mobil 1 fully synthetic formulation
>> because of its lower viscosity flows more easily through the oil pump,
>> requiring less energy to pump the oil to the critical engine parts."
>>
>> "http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Advanced_Fu..."
>>
>> But for their "regular" synthetic oil, 5W20 and 5W30, they make no
>> claims of increased fuel economy.
>
> Really? <http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/
> GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_5W-20.asp>
>
> Are you going to keep backtracking?

No offense, but you need to learn to read for comprehension. Nowhere do
they make a claim on that page that their 5W20 synthetic base stock
product provides better fuel economy that a comparable 5W20 petroleum
base stock product.

Why don't you show a _single_ independent study that shows a benefit to
most people. Oh, wait, they're aren't any!

After all these years you'd think that there would be at least one
published study that showed a provable benefit in terms of wear, MPG, or
extended change intervals for synthetics uses in non-high performance
engines, operated in moderate climates. But there aren't _any_. There's
anecdotes by users of synthetics, there's claims by companies like
Amsoil which have never been validated, and of course various claims by
MLM people selling Amsoil. Just choose your benefit from one of the
hundreds of MLM web sites!

Of course there probably have been plenty of studies that were done but
not published because they didn't have the results that the company
paying for the study wanted.

It's amusing that not even Mobil, who would have the most to gain by
some evidence of increased fuel economy for synthetics, can make that
claim. All we see is a heavily qualified statement that logically makes
no sense:

"Actual savings are dependent upon vehicle/engine type, outside
temperature, driving conditions, adjusting tire pressure, and your
current engine oil viscosity."

Huh? So adjusting tire pressure affects how well synthetic oil works (as
opposed to how well dino oil performs, LOL). And how does your current
oil viscosity, if it's the same as the viscosity of the synthetic, make
any difference.

So here's what Mobil thinks you should do:

1. Change to a lower viscosity of synthetic base stock oil than the
petroleum base stock oil that you're currently using

2. Drive only in extremely cold temperatures where sythetic has a
benefit at start-up.

3. Adjust your tire pressure, from the previously under-inflated
pressure you had with your petroleum base stock oil, to the proper pressure.

Geez, some people are gullible.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

SMS wrote:
<snip for clarity>


> Geez, some people are

<snip>

STOOOOPID.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

On Apr 26, 3:23 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
> > On Apr 26, 2:45 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >> Jeff wrote:
> >>> On Apr 26, 2:17 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Jeff wrote:
> >>>>> A car's length? It would be hard to feel the difference in
> >>>>> acceleration. Plus, you would have to floor it to feel the difference.
> >>>>> No, it's one's imagination.
> >>>> What's rather amusing is that even companies like Exxon-Mobile have
> >>>> never claimed, nor of course proven, an increase in MPG from synthetic
> >>>> base stock oil. Of course you see claims all over the map from Amsoil's
> >>>> multi-level-marketing distributors.
> >>> They don't? Look here: <http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/
> >>> Oils/Mobil_1_FAQs.aspx#FAQs1>
> >> They only claim the increased fuel economy for 0W20 and 0W30. Yeah,
> >> since it's not possible to make a 0W20 or 0W30 with petroleum base
> >> stock, they have a point there. But even for the "Advanced Fuel Economy"
> >> products, they keep going back to "during warm up" every time they make
> >> a claim of reduced friction or "saving" energy.
>
> >> "During warm-up, Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy flows faster because of
> >> its lower viscosity to minimize metal to metal contact to reduce
> >> friction and wear."
>
> >> "During the warm up phase, the Mobil 1 fully synthetic formulation
> >> because of its lower viscosity flows more easily through the oil pump,
> >> requiring less energy to pump the oil to the critical engine parts."
>
> >> "http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Advanced_Fu...."
>
> >> But for their "regular" synthetic oil, 5W20 and 5W30, they make no
> >> claims of increased fuel economy.
>
> > Really? <http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/
> > GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_5W-20.asp>
>
> > Are you going to keep backtracking?
>
> No offense, but you need to learn to read for comprehension. Nowhere do
> they make a claim on that page that their 5W20 synthetic base stock
> product provides better fuel economy that a comparable 5W20 petroleum
> base stock product.
>
> Why don't you show a _single_ independent study that shows a benefit to
> most people. Oh, wait, they're aren't any!
>
> After all these years you'd think that there would be at least one
> published study that showed a provable benefit in terms of wear, MPG, or
> extended change intervals for synthetics uses in non-high performance
> engines, operated in moderate climates. But there aren't _any_. There's
> anecdotes by users of synthetics, there's claims by companies like
> Amsoil which have never been validated, and of course various claims by
> MLM people selling Amsoil. Just choose your benefit from one of the
> hundreds of MLM web sites!
>
> Of course there probably have been plenty of studies that were done but
> not published because they didn't have the results that the company
> paying for the study wanted.
>
> It's amusing that not even Mobil, who would have the most to gain by
> some evidence of increased fuel economy for synthetics, can make that
> claim. All we see is a heavily qualified statement that logically makes
> no sense:
>
> "Actual savings are dependent upon vehicle/engine type, outside
> temperature, driving conditions, adjusting tire pressure, and your
> current engine oil viscosity."
>
> Huh? So adjusting tire pressure affects how well synthetic oil works (as
> opposed to how well dino oil performs, LOL).

Tire pressure affects fuel economy.

> And how does your current
> oil viscosity, if it's the same as the viscosity of the synthetic, make
> any difference.

If you change from 10W30 regular to 5W20 synthetic vs. changing from
2W20 regular to 5W20 synthetic, you will have a different change in
fuel economy.

> So here's what Mobil thinks you should do:
>
> 1. Change to a lower viscosity of synthetic base stock oil than the
> petroleum base stock oil that you're currently using

Where did they say that?

> 2. Drive only in extremely cold temperatures where sythetic has a
> benefit at start-up.

Where did they say that?

> 3. Adjust your tire pressure, from the previously under-inflated
> pressure you had with your petroleum base stock oil, to the proper pressure.

Where did they say that?

> Geez, some people are gullible.

And some people are just plain stupid. You have GW Bush disease.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

"jim beam" <retard-finger@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:jYidnQUKGoxMKGnUnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> SMS wrote:
> <snip for clarity>
>
>
>> Geez, some people are
>
> <snip>
>
> STOOOOPID.
>

Far as I'm concerned, SMS is a long-haired maggot-infested dope-smoking FM
type. If he was called to give professional testimony, as a judge, I'd have
the whole thing stricken from the record as being unreliable.

Charles Grozny

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

"Big Al" <big@big.com> wrote in message
news:big-820E48.07530926042009@freenews.netfront.net...
> Is it possible to feel a difference (smoothness, better acceleration,
> etc.) after a normal-interlude oil change? Someone is claiming this and
> I think it's just their imagination, but I was wondering if there'd be
> any technical reason. I can't think of one, unless the oil was quarts
> low or something drastic, which it wasn't.
>
> Thanks--
> Al

IMO, it's their imagination. I've never noticed anything, unless I had
something else adjusted along with the oil change.

Cathy

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

Jeff wrote:

<snip>

> Tire pressure affects fuel economy.

Of course it does, but Mobil is being disingenuous when they claim that
tire pressure has an effect on how well their synthetic base stock oil
performs versus how well a petroleum base stock oil performs. It makes
no difference. You should keep your tires properly inflated no matter
which type of oil you use.

> If you change from 10W30 regular to 5W20 synthetic vs. changing from
> 2W20 regular to 5W20 synthetic, you will have a different change in
> fuel economy.

And if you change from 10W30 petroleum base stock to 5W20 petroleum base
stock you'll see the same change in fuel economy. Of course you should
not make that change no matter which base stock you're using, but that's
another matter entirely.

Mobil is trying to get people to change multiple variables at the same
time, one of them being the base stock of the oil, then claiming the
increased fuel economy from switching to a lower viscosity oil and
proper tire pressure is due to the change in the base stock.

Even for their "Advanced Fuel Economy" formulation, the increase in MPG
isn't due to the base stock being synthetic, except for the fact that
apparently it's not practical to make a petroleum base stock 0Wxx oil.
Even then, they're hedging their bets, admitting that the advantage is
during start-up, not during normal operation.

Re: Can you "feel" a difference after a regular oil change?
 

SMS wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Tire pressure affects fuel economy.
>
> Of course it does, but Mobil is being disingenuous when they claim that
> tire pressure has an effect on how well their synthetic base stock oil
> performs versus how well a petroleum base stock oil performs.

dude, you have a serious reading comprehension problem.


> It makes
> no difference. You should keep your tires properly inflated no matter
> which type of oil you use.
>
>> If you change from 10W30 regular to 5W20 synthetic vs. changing from
>> 2W20 regular to 5W20 synthetic, you will have a different change in
>> fuel economy.
>
> And if you change from 10W30 petroleum base stock to 5W20 petroleum base
> stock you'll see the same change in fuel economy. Of course you should
> not make that change no matter which base stock you're using, but that's
> another matter entirely.
>
> Mobil is trying to get people to change multiple variables at the same
> time, one of them being the base stock of the oil, then claiming the
> increased fuel economy from switching to a lower viscosity oil and
> proper tire pressure is due to the change in the base stock.
>
> Even for their "Advanced Fuel Economy" formulation, the increase in MPG
> isn't due to the base stock being synthetic, except for the fact that
> apparently it's not practical to make a petroleum base stock 0Wxx oil.
> Even then, they're hedging their bets, admitting that the advantage is
> during start-up, not during normal operation.

see above. quit while you're behind.