Can't adjust timing
04-13-2005, 10:12 AM
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Can't adjust timing
1996 Accord LX (auto). Here's my dilemma: Timing is off, but I can't adjust
it no matter how I play with the distributor.I had the same problem before,
back then the check engine light bulb was burnt out. Replaced the bulb ($6
CDN for a tiny little bulb -highway robbery!), and voil?, no problems
adjusting the timing.
Now the SRS-bulb is burnt out (I'm assuming it's just the bulb?), so is it
safe to assume this is where the problem lies again? Is there anything I
should/ could check first before ripping the dash out again? (Well, I guess
I'll have to replace the bulb, anyway, but I would like to understand WHY
this happens!)
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it no matter how I play with the distributor.I had the same problem before,
back then the check engine light bulb was burnt out. Replaced the bulb ($6
CDN for a tiny little bulb -highway robbery!), and voil?, no problems
adjusting the timing.
Now the SRS-bulb is burnt out (I'm assuming it's just the bulb?), so is it
safe to assume this is where the problem lies again? Is there anything I
should/ could check first before ripping the dash out again? (Well, I guess
I'll have to replace the bulb, anyway, but I would like to understand WHY
this happens!)
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04-13-2005, 07:31 PM
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Re: Can't adjust timing
Find a manual that describes how to properly adjust timing. Timing in OBDII
cars is controlled by the computer. You have to disable that correction to
set mechanical timing. Your assumption of a burned out bulb creating that
condition is off base and incorrect....
"Lady via CarKB.com" <forum@nospam.CarKB.com> wrote in message
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> 1996 Accord LX (auto). Here's my dilemma: Timing is off, but I can't
> adjust
> it no matter how I play with the distributor.I had the same problem
> before,
> back then the check engine light bulb was burnt out. Replaced the bulb ($6
> CDN for a tiny little bulb -highway robbery!), and voil?, no problems
> adjusting the timing.
> Now the SRS-bulb is burnt out (I'm assuming it's just the bulb?), so is it
> safe to assume this is where the problem lies again? Is there anything I
> should/ could check first before ripping the dash out again? (Well, I
> guess
> I'll have to replace the bulb, anyway, but I would like to understand WHY
> this happens!)
>
> --
> Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
cars is controlled by the computer. You have to disable that correction to
set mechanical timing. Your assumption of a burned out bulb creating that
condition is off base and incorrect....
"Lady via CarKB.com" <forum@nospam.CarKB.com> wrote in message
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> 1996 Accord LX (auto). Here's my dilemma: Timing is off, but I can't
> adjust
> it no matter how I play with the distributor.I had the same problem
> before,
> back then the check engine light bulb was burnt out. Replaced the bulb ($6
> CDN for a tiny little bulb -highway robbery!), and voil?, no problems
> adjusting the timing.
> Now the SRS-bulb is burnt out (I'm assuming it's just the bulb?), so is it
> safe to assume this is where the problem lies again? Is there anything I
> should/ could check first before ripping the dash out again? (Well, I
> guess
> I'll have to replace the bulb, anyway, but I would like to understand WHY
> this happens!)
>
> --
> Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
04-13-2005, 07:31 PM
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Re: Can't adjust timing
Find a manual that describes how to properly adjust timing. Timing in OBDII
cars is controlled by the computer. You have to disable that correction to
set mechanical timing. Your assumption of a burned out bulb creating that
condition is off base and incorrect....
"Lady via CarKB.com" <forum@nospam.CarKB.com> wrote in message
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> 1996 Accord LX (auto). Here's my dilemma: Timing is off, but I can't
> adjust
> it no matter how I play with the distributor.I had the same problem
> before,
> back then the check engine light bulb was burnt out. Replaced the bulb ($6
> CDN for a tiny little bulb -highway robbery!), and voil?, no problems
> adjusting the timing.
> Now the SRS-bulb is burnt out (I'm assuming it's just the bulb?), so is it
> safe to assume this is where the problem lies again? Is there anything I
> should/ could check first before ripping the dash out again? (Well, I
> guess
> I'll have to replace the bulb, anyway, but I would like to understand WHY
> this happens!)
>
> --
> Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
cars is controlled by the computer. You have to disable that correction to
set mechanical timing. Your assumption of a burned out bulb creating that
condition is off base and incorrect....
"Lady via CarKB.com" <forum@nospam.CarKB.com> wrote in message
news:8a5a6509b55143f4928b8e2dfcc92e31@CarKB.com...
> 1996 Accord LX (auto). Here's my dilemma: Timing is off, but I can't
> adjust
> it no matter how I play with the distributor.I had the same problem
> before,
> back then the check engine light bulb was burnt out. Replaced the bulb ($6
> CDN for a tiny little bulb -highway robbery!), and voil?, no problems
> adjusting the timing.
> Now the SRS-bulb is burnt out (I'm assuming it's just the bulb?), so is it
> safe to assume this is where the problem lies again? Is there anything I
> should/ could check first before ripping the dash out again? (Well, I
> guess
> I'll have to replace the bulb, anyway, but I would like to understand WHY
> this happens!)
>
> --
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04-13-2005, 11:54 PM
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Re: Can't adjust timing
Ok, I totally admit I might be way off, but that's just what happened the
last time, so I figured that'd be it now, too..
BTW, what is a OBDII? Please excuse my ignorance, but hey, don't give a
girl those big words she can't understand! (I'm still in kindergarden when
it comes to cars, ok?).
And I do have a manual, (Haynes), and like I said,I've been able to do it
before... It's really not that complicated!
But then again, some "real mechanics" (at a repair shop) replaced the
timing belt and balance belt in Dec 04, when they replaced my frt balance
shaft seal (apparently there was a recall on those, but my car never got
fixed, so sure enough, one day it came off and as a result my oil was all
over the parking lot, but that's a whole other story!)
Anyhoo, so maybe the guys never got the timing belt on right in the first
place... Stupid me for trusting them to do their job, and never noticing
this begore, right??!
Lady *blushes with embarrassment*
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last time, so I figured that'd be it now, too..
BTW, what is a OBDII? Please excuse my ignorance, but hey, don't give a
girl those big words she can't understand! (I'm still in kindergarden when
it comes to cars, ok?).
And I do have a manual, (Haynes), and like I said,I've been able to do it
before... It's really not that complicated!
But then again, some "real mechanics" (at a repair shop) replaced the
timing belt and balance belt in Dec 04, when they replaced my frt balance
shaft seal (apparently there was a recall on those, but my car never got
fixed, so sure enough, one day it came off and as a result my oil was all
over the parking lot, but that's a whole other story!)
Anyhoo, so maybe the guys never got the timing belt on right in the first
place... Stupid me for trusting them to do their job, and never noticing
this begore, right??!
Lady *blushes with embarrassment*
--
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04-13-2005, 11:54 PM
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Re: Can't adjust timing
Ok, I totally admit I might be way off, but that's just what happened the
last time, so I figured that'd be it now, too..
BTW, what is a OBDII? Please excuse my ignorance, but hey, don't give a
girl those big words she can't understand! (I'm still in kindergarden when
it comes to cars, ok?).
And I do have a manual, (Haynes), and like I said,I've been able to do it
before... It's really not that complicated!
But then again, some "real mechanics" (at a repair shop) replaced the
timing belt and balance belt in Dec 04, when they replaced my frt balance
shaft seal (apparently there was a recall on those, but my car never got
fixed, so sure enough, one day it came off and as a result my oil was all
over the parking lot, but that's a whole other story!)
Anyhoo, so maybe the guys never got the timing belt on right in the first
place... Stupid me for trusting them to do their job, and never noticing
this begore, right??!
Lady *blushes with embarrassment*
--
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last time, so I figured that'd be it now, too..
BTW, what is a OBDII? Please excuse my ignorance, but hey, don't give a
girl those big words she can't understand! (I'm still in kindergarden when
it comes to cars, ok?).
And I do have a manual, (Haynes), and like I said,I've been able to do it
before... It's really not that complicated!
But then again, some "real mechanics" (at a repair shop) replaced the
timing belt and balance belt in Dec 04, when they replaced my frt balance
shaft seal (apparently there was a recall on those, but my car never got
fixed, so sure enough, one day it came off and as a result my oil was all
over the parking lot, but that's a whole other story!)
Anyhoo, so maybe the guys never got the timing belt on right in the first
place... Stupid me for trusting them to do their job, and never noticing
this begore, right??!
Lady *blushes with embarrassment*
--
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04-14-2005, 12:48 AM
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Re: Can't adjust timing
you have to jumper the service connector before
you try to adjust the timing manually. Its a
2 wire harness located by the ECU in the passenger
side kick panel. Use a paper clip to connect the
2 wires. Start the car, allow to get warm,
and adjust the timing.
I am assuming you are using a timing light?
pretty tough to do this job accurately without
one.
If you can't adjust it enough to get it right,
then you are off by a tooth, probably on the
cam.
t
you try to adjust the timing manually. Its a
2 wire harness located by the ECU in the passenger
side kick panel. Use a paper clip to connect the
2 wires. Start the car, allow to get warm,
and adjust the timing.
I am assuming you are using a timing light?
pretty tough to do this job accurately without
one.
If you can't adjust it enough to get it right,
then you are off by a tooth, probably on the
cam.
t
04-14-2005, 12:48 AM
#9
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Re: Can't adjust timing
you have to jumper the service connector before
you try to adjust the timing manually. Its a
2 wire harness located by the ECU in the passenger
side kick panel. Use a paper clip to connect the
2 wires. Start the car, allow to get warm,
and adjust the timing.
I am assuming you are using a timing light?
pretty tough to do this job accurately without
one.
If you can't adjust it enough to get it right,
then you are off by a tooth, probably on the
cam.
t
you try to adjust the timing manually. Its a
2 wire harness located by the ECU in the passenger
side kick panel. Use a paper clip to connect the
2 wires. Start the car, allow to get warm,
and adjust the timing.
I am assuming you are using a timing light?
pretty tough to do this job accurately without
one.
If you can't adjust it enough to get it right,
then you are off by a tooth, probably on the
cam.
t
04-14-2005, 08:47 AM
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Re: Can't adjust timing
"Lady via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in message
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> Ok, I totally admit I might be way off, but that's just what happened the
> last time, so I figured that'd be it now, too..
> BTW, what is a OBDII? Please excuse my ignorance, but hey, don't give a
> girl those big words she can't understand! (I'm still in kindergarden
> when
> it comes to cars, ok?).
>
Don't be embarassed - we tend to forget acronyms like OBDII are jargon.
OBD stands for "On Board Diagnostics." It is a standard for a maintenance
interface to the Engine Control Unit, the computer that controls the fuel
injection, ignition and related engine stuff. Since 1996 all cars sold in
America have to comply with level 2 of the specification, which gives us the
"II" (pronounced "two.")
OBDII is the Citizen Kane of the power train - always there behind the
scenes making sure the emissions are right. Yep - the specification exists
to control emissions (although Honda and some other manufacturers have
piggy-backed transmission codes on it). If it sees something is wrong, it
turns on the "check engine" light to tell you something is wrong and you
can't tell what it is! Brilliant plan there. If you leave the gas cap loose,
the "check engine" light comes on because the system says there is a vapor
leak. You can either take the car to the garage to have the codes read, or
buy a reader yourself, or wait to see if it goes away, but the car won't
tell the driver what is wrong - just "something." Gotta love it.
This brings up an important point. Unlike the oil pressure and battery and
coolant temperature warnings we are used to, as long as everything seems to
be working normally there is no reason to stop driving when the "check
engine" light comes on. The worst possibility is that the engine has lost a
sensor that is now causing the mixture to be too rich, and hard driving -
like charging up hills on the freeway - can damage the catalytic converter.
As long as everything seems normal, you can gently drive a car with the
"check engine" light on forever without hurting it. If the fuel economy is
reasonably normal, you can pretty much ignore the "gently" part, too.
Mike
news:fba1f72ffd944eafa6f0d3d6e3f1664d@CarKB.com...
> Ok, I totally admit I might be way off, but that's just what happened the
> last time, so I figured that'd be it now, too..
> BTW, what is a OBDII? Please excuse my ignorance, but hey, don't give a
> girl those big words she can't understand! (I'm still in kindergarden
> when
> it comes to cars, ok?).
>
Don't be embarassed - we tend to forget acronyms like OBDII are jargon.
OBD stands for "On Board Diagnostics." It is a standard for a maintenance
interface to the Engine Control Unit, the computer that controls the fuel
injection, ignition and related engine stuff. Since 1996 all cars sold in
America have to comply with level 2 of the specification, which gives us the
"II" (pronounced "two.")
OBDII is the Citizen Kane of the power train - always there behind the
scenes making sure the emissions are right. Yep - the specification exists
to control emissions (although Honda and some other manufacturers have
piggy-backed transmission codes on it). If it sees something is wrong, it
turns on the "check engine" light to tell you something is wrong and you
can't tell what it is! Brilliant plan there. If you leave the gas cap loose,
the "check engine" light comes on because the system says there is a vapor
leak. You can either take the car to the garage to have the codes read, or
buy a reader yourself, or wait to see if it goes away, but the car won't
tell the driver what is wrong - just "something." Gotta love it.
This brings up an important point. Unlike the oil pressure and battery and
coolant temperature warnings we are used to, as long as everything seems to
be working normally there is no reason to stop driving when the "check
engine" light comes on. The worst possibility is that the engine has lost a
sensor that is now causing the mixture to be too rich, and hard driving -
like charging up hills on the freeway - can damage the catalytic converter.
As long as everything seems normal, you can gently drive a car with the
"check engine" light on forever without hurting it. If the fuel economy is
reasonably normal, you can pretty much ignore the "gently" part, too.
Mike
04-14-2005, 08:47 AM
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Re: Can't adjust timing
"Lady via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in message
news:fba1f72ffd944eafa6f0d3d6e3f1664d@CarKB.com...
> Ok, I totally admit I might be way off, but that's just what happened the
> last time, so I figured that'd be it now, too..
> BTW, what is a OBDII? Please excuse my ignorance, but hey, don't give a
> girl those big words she can't understand! (I'm still in kindergarden
> when
> it comes to cars, ok?).
>
Don't be embarassed - we tend to forget acronyms like OBDII are jargon.
OBD stands for "On Board Diagnostics." It is a standard for a maintenance
interface to the Engine Control Unit, the computer that controls the fuel
injection, ignition and related engine stuff. Since 1996 all cars sold in
America have to comply with level 2 of the specification, which gives us the
"II" (pronounced "two.")
OBDII is the Citizen Kane of the power train - always there behind the
scenes making sure the emissions are right. Yep - the specification exists
to control emissions (although Honda and some other manufacturers have
piggy-backed transmission codes on it). If it sees something is wrong, it
turns on the "check engine" light to tell you something is wrong and you
can't tell what it is! Brilliant plan there. If you leave the gas cap loose,
the "check engine" light comes on because the system says there is a vapor
leak. You can either take the car to the garage to have the codes read, or
buy a reader yourself, or wait to see if it goes away, but the car won't
tell the driver what is wrong - just "something." Gotta love it.
This brings up an important point. Unlike the oil pressure and battery and
coolant temperature warnings we are used to, as long as everything seems to
be working normally there is no reason to stop driving when the "check
engine" light comes on. The worst possibility is that the engine has lost a
sensor that is now causing the mixture to be too rich, and hard driving -
like charging up hills on the freeway - can damage the catalytic converter.
As long as everything seems normal, you can gently drive a car with the
"check engine" light on forever without hurting it. If the fuel economy is
reasonably normal, you can pretty much ignore the "gently" part, too.
Mike
news:fba1f72ffd944eafa6f0d3d6e3f1664d@CarKB.com...
> Ok, I totally admit I might be way off, but that's just what happened the
> last time, so I figured that'd be it now, too..
> BTW, what is a OBDII? Please excuse my ignorance, but hey, don't give a
> girl those big words she can't understand! (I'm still in kindergarden
> when
> it comes to cars, ok?).
>
Don't be embarassed - we tend to forget acronyms like OBDII are jargon.
OBD stands for "On Board Diagnostics." It is a standard for a maintenance
interface to the Engine Control Unit, the computer that controls the fuel
injection, ignition and related engine stuff. Since 1996 all cars sold in
America have to comply with level 2 of the specification, which gives us the
"II" (pronounced "two.")
OBDII is the Citizen Kane of the power train - always there behind the
scenes making sure the emissions are right. Yep - the specification exists
to control emissions (although Honda and some other manufacturers have
piggy-backed transmission codes on it). If it sees something is wrong, it
turns on the "check engine" light to tell you something is wrong and you
can't tell what it is! Brilliant plan there. If you leave the gas cap loose,
the "check engine" light comes on because the system says there is a vapor
leak. You can either take the car to the garage to have the codes read, or
buy a reader yourself, or wait to see if it goes away, but the car won't
tell the driver what is wrong - just "something." Gotta love it.
This brings up an important point. Unlike the oil pressure and battery and
coolant temperature warnings we are used to, as long as everything seems to
be working normally there is no reason to stop driving when the "check
engine" light comes on. The worst possibility is that the engine has lost a
sensor that is now causing the mixture to be too rich, and hard driving -
like charging up hills on the freeway - can damage the catalytic converter.
As long as everything seems normal, you can gently drive a car with the
"check engine" light on forever without hurting it. If the fuel economy is
reasonably normal, you can pretty much ignore the "gently" part, too.
Mike
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