> Considering the Canadian tends to lean toward small cars, it's a shame
that the
> Scion was not introduced to Canada. The xB seems like a very fuel
efficient way
> to haul light cargo.

it rocks! i like the xA better- its like a 7/8ths scale matrix, but the xB
does have some serious cargo area. theyre both based on the toyota echo
platform, but the xB has a 9" stretch.

 

> > Gawd...who would buy a PT Cruiser (ie Neon)?
> >
> > Sooooo cheap on the inside...
> >
> > Yuckkkkkkk
> >
> >
> > Scott in Florida
> Scott I agree , but the quality is not bad we see very very few problems
> with them.

they finally redesigned that head gasket?

 

"mike" <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news_Tvc.47677$Ly.9703@attbi_s01...
>
>
> > > Gawd...who would buy a PT Cruiser (ie Neon)?
> > >
> > > Sooooo cheap on the inside...
> > >
> > > Yuckkkkkkk
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott in Florida
> > Scott I agree , but the quality is not bad we see very very few problems
> > with them.
>
> they finally redesigned that head gasket?
>
Actually yes and they just won't leak

 

"Scott in Florida" <NotInThisLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:eplvb0td5lebksopueg50s5a5dcfiqfldg@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:56:08 GMT, "Art"
> <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >Have you considered a Chrysler PTCrusier. According to Consumer Reports
> >they are as reliable as imports and they have more features than the cars
> >you have named. Also Chrysler overbuilt capacity because of an initial
run
> >on the cars for the first 6 months and now they are highly discounted at
$5k
> >off in the states. They have extremely versatle interiors and relatively
> >heavy and sturdy though gas mileage is mediocre.
> >
> >
>
> Gawd...who would buy a PT Cruiser (ie Neon)?
>
> Sooooo cheap on the inside...
>
Obviously you've never been inside one. You would miss the Toyota rattles.

 

The PTCrusiser has very little to do with the Neon and I would agree that
the Neon is crap unless you need the biggest car for the money. It then may
have some value to someone. Visit your Chrysler dealer and drive a
PTCruiser and check out the repair record in Consumer Reports. It is an
excellent car except a bit heavy and gas mileage is mediocre. Very nice and
versatile interior.... far better than the Corolla.


"Scott in Florida" <NotInThisLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:eplvb0td5lebksopueg50s5a5dcfiqfldg@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:56:08 GMT, "Art"
> <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >Have you considered a Chrysler PTCrusier. According to Consumer Reports
> >they are as reliable as imports and they have more features than the cars
> >you have named. Also Chrysler overbuilt capacity because of an initial
run
> >on the cars for the first 6 months and now they are highly discounted at
$5k
> >off in the states. They have extremely versatle interiors and relatively
> >heavy and sturdy though gas mileage is mediocre.
> >
> >
>
> Gawd...who would buy a PT Cruiser (ie Neon)?
>
> Sooooo cheap on the inside...
>
> Yuckkkkkkk
>
>
> Scott in Florida

 

mike wrote:

> > Considering the Canadian tends to lean toward small cars, it's a shame
> that the
> > Scion was not introduced to Canada. The xB seems like a very fuel
> efficient way
> > to haul light cargo.
>
> it rocks! i like the xA better- its like a 7/8ths scale matrix, but the xB
> does have some serious cargo area. theyre both based on the toyota echo
> platform, but the xB has a 9" stretch.

Canada has the Echo Hatch which is similar to the xA (same as the European
Yaris). Consider the Chevy Aevo seems like a knock off of the Echo Hatch,
competition in the segment is going to be high. All we need is an xB that can
be fitted with an extra row of seats and it should be a hot item. I know one
of my friend who has 4 young kids and no car, would love it. I believe Honda
has the 'Fit' which has 3 rows of seat. I wonder if they'll bring it across
the ocean. All it takes is one manufacture to start a trend and all rest of
the monkeys are right behind their tale.

Pars

 

"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:YEQvc.11051$Yd3.11@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net:

> Have you considered a Chrysler PTCrusier. According to Consumer
> Reports they are as reliable as imports and they have more features
> than the cars you have named. Also Chrysler overbuilt capacity
> because of an initial run on the cars for the first 6 months and now
> they are highly discounted at $5k off in the states. They have
> extremely versatle interiors and relatively heavy and sturdy though
> gas mileage is mediocre.
>
i wish you were right
but compared too honda and toyota chryslers are just cheap unreliable crap
with lots of rattles and louzy expensive dealership

marcel

 

More than a Civic...

It comes with 4 wheel disc brakes, ABS is standard, side airbag standard,
possiblity with perforated leather
w/heated seats, automatic climate control and you can get a skirt package
right now for 1200$ or so more.
And sunroof.

Adrian


"Pars" <"sdaro(remove)"@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40BF78C8.4A1771A4@hotmail.com...
> The EL is simply a re-badged Civic that comes standard with the vtec
> engine.
>
> Pars
>
> griffin wrote:
>
>> I will look into that. I'm not too impressed with the Integra lineup so I
>> kinda just skipped over the Acura's altogether but I have noticed that
>> the
>> 1.7 EL's are in my price range. I also was not aware they had optional
>> sunrooves (sp?). I will go look into those. Thanks!
>>
>> "Pars" <"sdaro(remove)"@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:40BE9B92.F0076AA0@hotmail.com...
>> > 2005 Corolla B-Pack sounds like the best deal, but does not come with a
>> sunroof.
>> > Another good choice is the 2000 EL which can be had with a sunroof and
>> > the
>> 127
>> > HP engine.
>> >
>> > Pars
>> > 98 Civic Hatch
>> >
>> > griffin wrote:
>> >
>> > > I'm looking to purchase a new(er) car at the end of summer for around
>> > > $16-22,000 CDN ($12-16,500 US) and have been looking at these four
>> options:
>> > >
>> > > 1. 2003 Toyota Matrix XRS or XR B-pack
>> > > 2. 2004/2005 Toyota Corollla B-Pack
>> > > 3. 1998-2002 Honda Civic SI
>> > > 4. 2001-2003 Honda Civic DX-G
>> > >
>> > > I previously owned a 1993 Saturn SL1 and liked the luxury-type
>> > > features
>> > > (A/C, pdl, pw, pm, comfy seats, cruise, tilt, etc) and a Jeep YJ
>> > > (convertible - openness). I currently drive a 1997 Toyota Corolla SD,
>> the
>> > > plain-jane no frill model. It doesn't even have A/C. I have a 15
>> > > month
>> old
>> > > child and A/C is kinda needed. My Corolla is also very uncomfy and
>> > > not
>> > > suitable for long drives.
>> > >
>> > > In my new car, I want some frills, like keyless entry, pw, sunroof
>> > > would
>> be
>> > > AWESOME!, cruise control, etc. Price is also a factor - I'm a
>> > > full-time
>> dad
>> > > raising my child and the more money saved the better. I want
>> reliability,
>> > > practicality, comfort, gas mileage, etc. It's going to be for daily
>> driving
>> > > mostly in the city. I live in the cold climate of Canada which ranges
>> from
>> > > +30C to -30C (-22F to 86F) so heat and coolness are big factors as
>> > > well
>> as
>> > > handling in ice/snow/rain.
>> > >
>> > > I'm looking for honest and unbiased opinions. I'm posting this in
>> > > Honda
>> &
>> > > Toyota newsgroups and I know people in their respective ones no-doubt
>> prefer
>> > > the company they are driving, but please be as impartial as possible.
>> > > I
>> only
>> > > plan to buy one new car in the next 10-15 years and this will be it.
>> Tell me
>> > > your gripes and your praises for any of the models you own(ed) above
>> > > or
>> have
>> > > heard about. All comments appreciated!!
>> > >
>> > > My current views are:
>> > > 1. The Matrix seems very practical for everything. Reliability is
>> > > hard
>> to
>> > > tell because they are relatively new but they seem OK? They may be a
>> > > bit
>> big
>> > > tho and I wonder about fuel consumption? Pricy, too, for the higher
>> models.
>> > >
>> > > 2. I love Corollas for their reliability and price. I tried an '04
>> > > out
>> in
>> > > the winter and it handled VERY well. It was also very warm and
>> > > somewhat
>> > > comfy. I've heard the '05's will be very comfy. It also seemed to
>> > > have
>> alot
>> > > of power. I guess my only gripe with them is their simplicity. Simple
>> can be
>> > > good, but they aren't great looking cars and they lack the sunroof
>> > > which
>> I'd
>> > > really like if possible. Still tho, for the price it's a pretty good
>> choice.
>> > >
>> > > 3. I'd love to own an SI but I wonder about 2-door for a child? Many
>> > > say
>> > > it's hard to get them in and out and it's not so great. I've also
>> > > heard
>> > > mixed opinions on the higher output VTec engines - some people say
>> > > they
>> wear
>> > > out a little faster? The price is also alot higher unless I go '99ish
>> with a
>> > > bit higher K's. However, they have all the bells and whistles and are
>> fun to
>> > > drive - as well as a good resale value. (PS: I know the '04's have
>> 4-door,
>> > > but they are a bit outta my price range for now ...but if you have
>> > > some
>> > > feedback on them, feel free to reply!) Is it worth the SI or is the
>> > > DX-G
>> > > just as good?
>> > >
>> > > 4. The DX-G seems like the Corolla's comparison but with a few more
>> frills.
>> > > I know very little about them tho except that they are a few $1000
>> > > more.
>> > > Feedback needed!
>> > >
>> > > I thank all of you for your help!! Sorry for the crossposting and the
>> long
>> > > post!
>> > >
>> > > griffin
>> >
>

 

Hi,

Don't forget the 99/00 Civic SiR model. They only come with a dohc b16a2,
5 spd with pw/pl/pm/psunroof, a/c, heated side mirrors, keyless, abs. They
sell for a pretty penny. Word of advice don't look at any SiR models for
less than $15,000. Usually the cheap ones are accident/theft recovery
rebuilts.

Honestly I like the Corolla. I've always hear great reviews on it.

Chris



"griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:9kvvc.654034$Ig.8615@pd7tw2no...
> I'm looking to purchase a new(er) car at the end of summer for around
> $16-22,000 CDN ($12-16,500 US) and have been looking at these four
options:
>
> 1. 2003 Toyota Matrix XRS or XR B-pack
> 2. 2004/2005 Toyota Corollla B-Pack
> 3. 1998-2002 Honda Civic SI
> 4. 2001-2003 Honda Civic DX-G
>
> I previously owned a 1993 Saturn SL1 and liked the luxury-type features
> (A/C, pdl, pw, pm, comfy seats, cruise, tilt, etc) and a Jeep YJ
> (convertible - openness). I currently drive a 1997 Toyota Corolla SD, the
> plain-jane no frill model. It doesn't even have A/C. I have a 15 month old
> child and A/C is kinda needed. My Corolla is also very uncomfy and not
> suitable for long drives.
>
> In my new car, I want some frills, like keyless entry, pw, sunroof would
be
> AWESOME!, cruise control, etc. Price is also a factor - I'm a full-time
dad
> raising my child and the more money saved the better. I want reliability,
> practicality, comfort, gas mileage, etc. It's going to be for daily
driving
> mostly in the city. I live in the cold climate of Canada which ranges from
> +30C to -30C (-22F to 86F) so heat and coolness are big factors as well as
> handling in ice/snow/rain.
>
> I'm looking for honest and unbiased opinions. I'm posting this in Honda &
> Toyota newsgroups and I know people in their respective ones no-doubt
prefer
> the company they are driving, but please be as impartial as possible. I
only
> plan to buy one new car in the next 10-15 years and this will be it. Tell
me
> your gripes and your praises for any of the models you own(ed) above or
have
> heard about. All comments appreciated!!
>
> My current views are:
> 1. The Matrix seems very practical for everything. Reliability is hard to
> tell because they are relatively new but they seem OK? They may be a bit
big
> tho and I wonder about fuel consumption? Pricy, too, for the higher
models.
>
> 2. I love Corollas for their reliability and price. I tried an '04 out in
> the winter and it handled VERY well. It was also very warm and somewhat
> comfy. I've heard the '05's will be very comfy. It also seemed to have
alot
> of power. I guess my only gripe with them is their simplicity. Simple can
be
> good, but they aren't great looking cars and they lack the sunroof which
I'd
> really like if possible. Still tho, for the price it's a pretty good
choice.
>
> 3. I'd love to own an SI but I wonder about 2-door for a child? Many say
> it's hard to get them in and out and it's not so great. I've also heard
> mixed opinions on the higher output VTec engines - some people say they
wear
> out a little faster? The price is also alot higher unless I go '99ish with
a
> bit higher K's. However, they have all the bells and whistles and are fun
to
> drive - as well as a good resale value. (PS: I know the '04's have 4-door,
> but they are a bit outta my price range for now ...but if you have some
> feedback on them, feel free to reply!) Is it worth the SI or is the DX-G
> just as good?
>
> 4. The DX-G seems like the Corolla's comparison but with a few more
frills.
> I know very little about them tho except that they are a few $1000 more.
> Feedback needed!
>
> I thank all of you for your help!! Sorry for the crossposting and the long
> post!
>
> griffin
>
>

 

Hi,

Don't forget the 99/00 Civic SiR model. They only come with a dohc b16a2,
5 spd with pw/pl/pm/psunroof, a/c, heated side mirrors, keyless, abs. They
sell for a pretty penny. Word of advice don't look at any SiR models for
less than $15,000. Usually the cheap ones are accident/theft recovery
rebuilts.

Honestly I like the Corolla. I've always hear great reviews on it.

Chris



"griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:9kvvc.654034$Ig.8615@pd7tw2no...
> I'm looking to purchase a new(er) car at the end of summer for around
> $16-22,000 CDN ($12-16,500 US) and have been looking at these four
options:
>
> 1. 2003 Toyota Matrix XRS or XR B-pack
> 2. 2004/2005 Toyota Corollla B-Pack
> 3. 1998-2002 Honda Civic SI
> 4. 2001-2003 Honda Civic DX-G
>
> I previously owned a 1993 Saturn SL1 and liked the luxury-type features
> (A/C, pdl, pw, pm, comfy seats, cruise, tilt, etc) and a Jeep YJ
> (convertible - openness). I currently drive a 1997 Toyota Corolla SD, the
> plain-jane no frill model. It doesn't even have A/C. I have a 15 month old
> child and A/C is kinda needed. My Corolla is also very uncomfy and not
> suitable for long drives.
>
> In my new car, I want some frills, like keyless entry, pw, sunroof would
be
> AWESOME!, cruise control, etc. Price is also a factor - I'm a full-time
dad
> raising my child and the more money saved the better. I want reliability,
> practicality, comfort, gas mileage, etc. It's going to be for daily
driving
> mostly in the city. I live in the cold climate of Canada which ranges from
> +30C to -30C (-22F to 86F) so heat and coolness are big factors as well as
> handling in ice/snow/rain.
>
> I'm looking for honest and unbiased opinions. I'm posting this in Honda &
> Toyota newsgroups and I know people in their respective ones no-doubt
prefer
> the company they are driving, but please be as impartial as possible. I
only
> plan to buy one new car in the next 10-15 years and this will be it. Tell
me
> your gripes and your praises for any of the models you own(ed) above or
have
> heard about. All comments appreciated!!
>
> My current views are:
> 1. The Matrix seems very practical for everything. Reliability is hard to
> tell because they are relatively new but they seem OK? They may be a bit
big
> tho and I wonder about fuel consumption? Pricy, too, for the higher
models.
>
> 2. I love Corollas for their reliability and price. I tried an '04 out in
> the winter and it handled VERY well. It was also very warm and somewhat
> comfy. I've heard the '05's will be very comfy. It also seemed to have
alot
> of power. I guess my only gripe with them is their simplicity. Simple can
be
> good, but they aren't great looking cars and they lack the sunroof which
I'd
> really like if possible. Still tho, for the price it's a pretty good
choice.
>
> 3. I'd love to own an SI but I wonder about 2-door for a child? Many say
> it's hard to get them in and out and it's not so great. I've also heard
> mixed opinions on the higher output VTec engines - some people say they
wear
> out a little faster? The price is also alot higher unless I go '99ish with
a
> bit higher K's. However, they have all the bells and whistles and are fun
to
> drive - as well as a good resale value. (PS: I know the '04's have 4-door,
> but they are a bit outta my price range for now ...but if you have some
> feedback on them, feel free to reply!) Is it worth the SI or is the DX-G
> just as good?
>
> 4. The DX-G seems like the Corolla's comparison but with a few more
frills.
> I know very little about them tho except that they are a few $1000 more.
> Feedback needed!
>
> I thank all of you for your help!! Sorry for the crossposting and the long
> post!
>
> griffin
>
>

 

Thanks for the reply. I'm pretty much set on getting a 2003-2005 Corolla
Sport B-pack right now. I just need another $10,000CDN

Anyone have any gripes or complaints about these cars?

Thanks!

griffin
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
'85 Jeep CJ-7

"_chris_" <chris_farr@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
newsaxVc.29314$ZI1.1139935@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> Hi,
>
> Don't forget the 99/00 Civic SiR model. They only come with a dohc b16a2,
> 5 spd with pw/pl/pm/psunroof, a/c, heated side mirrors, keyless, abs.
They
> sell for a pretty penny. Word of advice don't look at any SiR models for
> less than $15,000. Usually the cheap ones are accident/theft recovery
> rebuilts.
>
> Honestly I like the Corolla. I've always hear great reviews on it.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> "griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:9kvvc.654034$Ig.8615@pd7tw2no...
> > I'm looking to purchase a new(er) car at the end of summer for around
> > $16-22,000 CDN ($12-16,500 US) and have been looking at these four
> options:
> >
> > 1. 2003 Toyota Matrix XRS or XR B-pack
> > 2. 2004/2005 Toyota Corollla B-Pack
> > 3. 1998-2002 Honda Civic SI
> > 4. 2001-2003 Honda Civic DX-G
> >
> > I previously owned a 1993 Saturn SL1 and liked the luxury-type features
> > (A/C, pdl, pw, pm, comfy seats, cruise, tilt, etc) and a Jeep YJ
> > (convertible - openness). I currently drive a 1997 Toyota Corolla SD,
the
> > plain-jane no frill model. It doesn't even have A/C. I have a 15 month
old
> > child and A/C is kinda needed. My Corolla is also very uncomfy and not
> > suitable for long drives.
> >
> > In my new car, I want some frills, like keyless entry, pw, sunroof would
> be
> > AWESOME!, cruise control, etc. Price is also a factor - I'm a full-time
> dad
> > raising my child and the more money saved the better. I want
reliability,
> > practicality, comfort, gas mileage, etc. It's going to be for daily
> driving
> > mostly in the city. I live in the cold climate of Canada which ranges
from
> > +30C to -30C (-22F to 86F) so heat and coolness are big factors as well
as
> > handling in ice/snow/rain.
> >
> > I'm looking for honest and unbiased opinions. I'm posting this in Honda
&
> > Toyota newsgroups and I know people in their respective ones no-doubt
> prefer
> > the company they are driving, but please be as impartial as possible. I
> only
> > plan to buy one new car in the next 10-15 years and this will be it.
Tell
> me
> > your gripes and your praises for any of the models you own(ed) above or
> have
> > heard about. All comments appreciated!!
> >
> > My current views are:
> > 1. The Matrix seems very practical for everything. Reliability is hard
to
> > tell because they are relatively new but they seem OK? They may be a bit
> big
> > tho and I wonder about fuel consumption? Pricy, too, for the higher
> models.
> >
> > 2. I love Corollas for their reliability and price. I tried an '04 out
in
> > the winter and it handled VERY well. It was also very warm and somewhat
> > comfy. I've heard the '05's will be very comfy. It also seemed to have
> alot
> > of power. I guess my only gripe with them is their simplicity. Simple
can
> be
> > good, but they aren't great looking cars and they lack the sunroof which
> I'd
> > really like if possible. Still tho, for the price it's a pretty good
> choice.
> >
> > 3. I'd love to own an SI but I wonder about 2-door for a child? Many say
> > it's hard to get them in and out and it's not so great. I've also heard
> > mixed opinions on the higher output VTec engines - some people say they
> wear
> > out a little faster? The price is also alot higher unless I go '99ish
with
> a
> > bit higher K's. However, they have all the bells and whistles and are
fun
> to
> > drive - as well as a good resale value. (PS: I know the '04's have
4-door,
> > but they are a bit outta my price range for now ...but if you have some
> > feedback on them, feel free to reply!) Is it worth the SI or is the DX-G
> > just as good?
> >
> > 4. The DX-G seems like the Corolla's comparison but with a few more
> frills.
> > I know very little about them tho except that they are a few $1000 more.
> > Feedback needed!
> >
> > I thank all of you for your help!! Sorry for the crossposting and the
long
> > post!
> >
> > griffin
> >
> >
>
>

 

Thanks for the reply. I'm pretty much set on getting a 2003-2005 Corolla
Sport B-pack right now. I just need another $10,000CDN

Anyone have any gripes or complaints about these cars?

Thanks!

griffin
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
'85 Jeep CJ-7

"_chris_" <chris_farr@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
newsaxVc.29314$ZI1.1139935@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> Hi,
>
> Don't forget the 99/00 Civic SiR model. They only come with a dohc b16a2,
> 5 spd with pw/pl/pm/psunroof, a/c, heated side mirrors, keyless, abs.
They
> sell for a pretty penny. Word of advice don't look at any SiR models for
> less than $15,000. Usually the cheap ones are accident/theft recovery
> rebuilts.
>
> Honestly I like the Corolla. I've always hear great reviews on it.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> "griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:9kvvc.654034$Ig.8615@pd7tw2no...
> > I'm looking to purchase a new(er) car at the end of summer for around
> > $16-22,000 CDN ($12-16,500 US) and have been looking at these four
> options:
> >
> > 1. 2003 Toyota Matrix XRS or XR B-pack
> > 2. 2004/2005 Toyota Corollla B-Pack
> > 3. 1998-2002 Honda Civic SI
> > 4. 2001-2003 Honda Civic DX-G
> >
> > I previously owned a 1993 Saturn SL1 and liked the luxury-type features
> > (A/C, pdl, pw, pm, comfy seats, cruise, tilt, etc) and a Jeep YJ
> > (convertible - openness). I currently drive a 1997 Toyota Corolla SD,
the
> > plain-jane no frill model. It doesn't even have A/C. I have a 15 month
old
> > child and A/C is kinda needed. My Corolla is also very uncomfy and not
> > suitable for long drives.
> >
> > In my new car, I want some frills, like keyless entry, pw, sunroof would
> be
> > AWESOME!, cruise control, etc. Price is also a factor - I'm a full-time
> dad
> > raising my child and the more money saved the better. I want
reliability,
> > practicality, comfort, gas mileage, etc. It's going to be for daily
> driving
> > mostly in the city. I live in the cold climate of Canada which ranges
from
> > +30C to -30C (-22F to 86F) so heat and coolness are big factors as well
as
> > handling in ice/snow/rain.
> >
> > I'm looking for honest and unbiased opinions. I'm posting this in Honda
&
> > Toyota newsgroups and I know people in their respective ones no-doubt
> prefer
> > the company they are driving, but please be as impartial as possible. I
> only
> > plan to buy one new car in the next 10-15 years and this will be it.
Tell
> me
> > your gripes and your praises for any of the models you own(ed) above or
> have
> > heard about. All comments appreciated!!
> >
> > My current views are:
> > 1. The Matrix seems very practical for everything. Reliability is hard
to
> > tell because they are relatively new but they seem OK? They may be a bit
> big
> > tho and I wonder about fuel consumption? Pricy, too, for the higher
> models.
> >
> > 2. I love Corollas for their reliability and price. I tried an '04 out
in
> > the winter and it handled VERY well. It was also very warm and somewhat
> > comfy. I've heard the '05's will be very comfy. It also seemed to have
> alot
> > of power. I guess my only gripe with them is their simplicity. Simple
can
> be
> > good, but they aren't great looking cars and they lack the sunroof which
> I'd
> > really like if possible. Still tho, for the price it's a pretty good
> choice.
> >
> > 3. I'd love to own an SI but I wonder about 2-door for a child? Many say
> > it's hard to get them in and out and it's not so great. I've also heard
> > mixed opinions on the higher output VTec engines - some people say they
> wear
> > out a little faster? The price is also alot higher unless I go '99ish
with
> a
> > bit higher K's. However, they have all the bells and whistles and are
fun
> to
> > drive - as well as a good resale value. (PS: I know the '04's have
4-door,
> > but they are a bit outta my price range for now ...but if you have some
> > feedback on them, feel free to reply!) Is it worth the SI or is the DX-G
> > just as good?
> >
> > 4. The DX-G seems like the Corolla's comparison but with a few more
> frills.
> > I know very little about them tho except that they are a few $1000 more.
> > Feedback needed!
> >
> > I thank all of you for your help!! Sorry for the crossposting and the
long
> > post!
> >
> > griffin
> >
> >
>
>

 

Corolla, definitely. I rented one of these for several days 2 years
ago. Fast, roomy, comfortable, great gas mileage. The Civic is,
unfortunately, just a "cheap secretary's car" as one car publication
described it (no offense to secretaries, God bless them).

But the Civic is just no where near the refinement standard set by the
Accord.

As a daily driver, I know that I could live with a Corolla. I
wouldn't say that about a Civic despite my Honda brand loyalty.

Unfortunately, my take is that Toyota dealers on average are ranked
even lower than Honda dealers for satisfaction.

JM.

 

Corolla, definitely. I rented one of these for several days 2 years
ago. Fast, roomy, comfortable, great gas mileage. The Civic is,
unfortunately, just a "cheap secretary's car" as one car publication
described it (no offense to secretaries, God bless them).

But the Civic is just no where near the refinement standard set by the
Accord.

As a daily driver, I know that I could live with a Corolla. I
wouldn't say that about a Civic despite my Honda brand loyalty.

Unfortunately, my take is that Toyota dealers on average are ranked
even lower than Honda dealers for satisfaction.

JM.

 

Ya, I actually am going to be shopping from now until February for one. Of
the four Toyota dealerships here, one of them is so shifty I wouldn't even
consider letting them look at a tricycle because they'd probably tell me it
needed $2000 in repairs. There's one here that doesn't seem too bad;
however, I'm going to take the next six months to try and locate one
privately so as to avoid being raped.

As for repair shops ...I just hope anything that wants to break does so
before warranty expiration ...otherwise I just have to hope that it
maintains it's Corolla-Reliability factor. I'm scared to take them to any
joeblow repair shop and even more scared to take it to the Toyota repair
shop - not because of the lack of quality repairs but because I don't have
time for a second job to pay for them.

griffin
'97 Corolla SD
'85 Jeep CJ7



"JM" <jmattis@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Corolla, definitely. I rented one of these for several days 2 years
> ago. Fast, roomy, comfortable, great gas mileage. The Civic is,
> unfortunately, just a "cheap secretary's car" as one car publication
> described it (no offense to secretaries, God bless them).
>
> But the Civic is just no where near the refinement standard set by the
> Accord.
>
> As a daily driver, I know that I could live with a Corolla. I
> wouldn't say that about a Civic despite my Honda brand loyalty.
>
> Unfortunately, my take is that Toyota dealers on average are ranked
> even lower than Honda dealers for satisfaction.
>
> JM.