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CaptainKrunch 01-30-2004 11:43 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
It is like any other test. Like an EKG. It takes somebody that knows what
they are doing in order to interpret the results correctly. Depending on
whether overall compression is low or just an isolated cylinder or two would
determine the fix.

Pertaining to the other poster I have never heard of a running compression
test. In as much as connecting a psi gauge to a cylinder and running the
engine minus that spark plug. If indeed this is the case that makes no
sense because you would have a misfire with that cylinder and it would set
off codes in the computer that would need to be reset. Mostly compression
tests are just done while cranking the engine over and disabling the engine
so that it temporarily doesn't fire.

CaptainKrunch.


"ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:tJYSb.8763$9a4.3978@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if

you
> get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?
>
>




CaptainKrunch 01-30-2004 11:43 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
It is like any other test. Like an EKG. It takes somebody that knows what
they are doing in order to interpret the results correctly. Depending on
whether overall compression is low or just an isolated cylinder or two would
determine the fix.

Pertaining to the other poster I have never heard of a running compression
test. In as much as connecting a psi gauge to a cylinder and running the
engine minus that spark plug. If indeed this is the case that makes no
sense because you would have a misfire with that cylinder and it would set
off codes in the computer that would need to be reset. Mostly compression
tests are just done while cranking the engine over and disabling the engine
so that it temporarily doesn't fire.

CaptainKrunch.


"ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:tJYSb.8763$9a4.3978@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if

you
> get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?
>
>




CaptainKrunch 01-30-2004 11:43 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
It is like any other test. Like an EKG. It takes somebody that knows what
they are doing in order to interpret the results correctly. Depending on
whether overall compression is low or just an isolated cylinder or two would
determine the fix.

Pertaining to the other poster I have never heard of a running compression
test. In as much as connecting a psi gauge to a cylinder and running the
engine minus that spark plug. If indeed this is the case that makes no
sense because you would have a misfire with that cylinder and it would set
off codes in the computer that would need to be reset. Mostly compression
tests are just done while cranking the engine over and disabling the engine
so that it temporarily doesn't fire.

CaptainKrunch.


"ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:tJYSb.8763$9a4.3978@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if

you
> get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?
>
>




CaptainKrunch 01-30-2004 11:43 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
It is like any other test. Like an EKG. It takes somebody that knows what
they are doing in order to interpret the results correctly. Depending on
whether overall compression is low or just an isolated cylinder or two would
determine the fix.

Pertaining to the other poster I have never heard of a running compression
test. In as much as connecting a psi gauge to a cylinder and running the
engine minus that spark plug. If indeed this is the case that makes no
sense because you would have a misfire with that cylinder and it would set
off codes in the computer that would need to be reset. Mostly compression
tests are just done while cranking the engine over and disabling the engine
so that it temporarily doesn't fire.

CaptainKrunch.


"ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:tJYSb.8763$9a4.3978@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if

you
> get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?
>
>




ILJ 01-31-2004 08:35 PM

Compression tests
 
What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if you
get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?



Barry S. 01-31-2004 09:39 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:35:21 GMT, "ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote:

>What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if you
>get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?


A cranking compression test is a measure of whether the cylinder is
operating normally. If the cylinder can't compress air, it won't
produce power. A running compression test (idle and 2000 RPM)
sometimes helps point to camshaft and valve problems. All this
combined with a cylinder leakdown test allow you to identify or rule
out engine problems.

The fix for low compression can be valves, rings, engine replacement..


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Barry S. 01-31-2004 09:39 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:35:21 GMT, "ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote:

>What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if you
>get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?


A cranking compression test is a measure of whether the cylinder is
operating normally. If the cylinder can't compress air, it won't
produce power. A running compression test (idle and 2000 RPM)
sometimes helps point to camshaft and valve problems. All this
combined with a cylinder leakdown test allow you to identify or rule
out engine problems.

The fix for low compression can be valves, rings, engine replacement..


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Barry S. 01-31-2004 09:39 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:35:21 GMT, "ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote:

>What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if you
>get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?


A cranking compression test is a measure of whether the cylinder is
operating normally. If the cylinder can't compress air, it won't
produce power. A running compression test (idle and 2000 RPM)
sometimes helps point to camshaft and valve problems. All this
combined with a cylinder leakdown test allow you to identify or rule
out engine problems.

The fix for low compression can be valves, rings, engine replacement..


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Barry S. 01-31-2004 09:39 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:35:21 GMT, "ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote:

>What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if you
>get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?


A cranking compression test is a measure of whether the cylinder is
operating normally. If the cylinder can't compress air, it won't
produce power. A running compression test (idle and 2000 RPM)
sometimes helps point to camshaft and valve problems. All this
combined with a cylinder leakdown test allow you to identify or rule
out engine problems.

The fix for low compression can be valves, rings, engine replacement..


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no_account 02-01-2004 08:10 AM

Re: Compression tests
 
May be when you want to buy a used car?
"ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:tJYSb.8763$9a4.3978@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if

you
> get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?
>
>




no_account 02-01-2004 08:10 AM

Re: Compression tests
 
May be when you want to buy a used car?
"ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:tJYSb.8763$9a4.3978@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if

you
> get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?
>
>




no_account 02-01-2004 08:10 AM

Re: Compression tests
 
May be when you want to buy a used car?
"ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:tJYSb.8763$9a4.3978@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if

you
> get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?
>
>




no_account 02-01-2004 08:10 AM

Re: Compression tests
 
May be when you want to buy a used car?
"ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:tJYSb.8763$9a4.3978@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if

you
> get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?
>
>




L Alpert 02-01-2004 10:42 AM

Re: Compression tests
 
no_account wrote:
> May be when you want to buy a used car?
> "ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:tJYSb.8763$9a4.3978@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>> What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures,
>> but if you get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?


I always check compression when buying a new car. If a 4 cyl, I'll check all
of them. A 6 or 8, I would do enough to satisfy me that there is not a high
"range".



L Alpert 02-01-2004 10:42 AM

Re: Compression tests
 
no_account wrote:
> May be when you want to buy a used car?
> "ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:tJYSb.8763$9a4.3978@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>> What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures,
>> but if you get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?


I always check compression when buying a new car. If a 4 cyl, I'll check all
of them. A 6 or 8, I would do enough to satisfy me that there is not a high
"range".



L Alpert 02-01-2004 10:42 AM

Re: Compression tests
 
no_account wrote:
> May be when you want to buy a used car?
> "ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:tJYSb.8763$9a4.3978@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>> What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures,
>> but if you get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?


I always check compression when buying a new car. If a 4 cyl, I'll check all
of them. A 6 or 8, I would do enough to satisfy me that there is not a high
"range".



L Alpert 02-01-2004 10:42 AM

Re: Compression tests
 
no_account wrote:
> May be when you want to buy a used car?
> "ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:tJYSb.8763$9a4.3978@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>> What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures,
>> but if you get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?


I always check compression when buying a new car. If a 4 cyl, I'll check all
of them. A 6 or 8, I would do enough to satisfy me that there is not a high
"range".



Barry S. 02-01-2004 05:47 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:43:46 -0800, "CaptainKrunch"
<nothing@nobody.com> wrote:

>It is like any other test. Like an EKG. It takes somebody that knows what
>they are doing in order to interpret the results correctly. Depending on
>whether overall compression is low or just an isolated cylinder or two would
>determine the fix.
>
>Pertaining to the other poster I have never heard of a running compression
>test. In as much as connecting a psi gauge to a cylinder and running the


Compression 1 2 3
4
Cranking 178 175 170
175
Idle 60 60 40
60
2000 RPM 40 40 20
20

May indicate valve or flat camshaft problem on #3.

In conjunction with a cylinder leakdown test, is very helpful for
identifying problems.

You may not be able to peform running compression tests on all
vehicles. Especially OBD-II which will catch the misfire, unless you
can disable the individual cylinder.

>engine minus that spark plug. If indeed this is the case that makes no
>sense because you would have a misfire with that cylinder and it would set
>off codes in the computer that would need to be reset. Mostly compression


Only on OBD-II Lots of pre-OBD-II cars out there which won't bat an
eyelash on a running compression test.

>tests are just done while cranking the engine over and disabling the engine
>so that it temporarily doesn't fire.


And disconnecting power to the fuel injectors.

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Barry S. 02-01-2004 05:47 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:43:46 -0800, "CaptainKrunch"
<nothing@nobody.com> wrote:

>It is like any other test. Like an EKG. It takes somebody that knows what
>they are doing in order to interpret the results correctly. Depending on
>whether overall compression is low or just an isolated cylinder or two would
>determine the fix.
>
>Pertaining to the other poster I have never heard of a running compression
>test. In as much as connecting a psi gauge to a cylinder and running the


Compression 1 2 3
4
Cranking 178 175 170
175
Idle 60 60 40
60
2000 RPM 40 40 20
20

May indicate valve or flat camshaft problem on #3.

In conjunction with a cylinder leakdown test, is very helpful for
identifying problems.

You may not be able to peform running compression tests on all
vehicles. Especially OBD-II which will catch the misfire, unless you
can disable the individual cylinder.

>engine minus that spark plug. If indeed this is the case that makes no
>sense because you would have a misfire with that cylinder and it would set
>off codes in the computer that would need to be reset. Mostly compression


Only on OBD-II Lots of pre-OBD-II cars out there which won't bat an
eyelash on a running compression test.

>tests are just done while cranking the engine over and disabling the engine
>so that it temporarily doesn't fire.


And disconnecting power to the fuel injectors.

__________________
Note: To reply, replace the word 'spam' embedded in return address with 'mail'.
N38.6 W121.4

Barry S. 02-01-2004 05:47 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:43:46 -0800, "CaptainKrunch"
<nothing@nobody.com> wrote:

>It is like any other test. Like an EKG. It takes somebody that knows what
>they are doing in order to interpret the results correctly. Depending on
>whether overall compression is low or just an isolated cylinder or two would
>determine the fix.
>
>Pertaining to the other poster I have never heard of a running compression
>test. In as much as connecting a psi gauge to a cylinder and running the


Compression 1 2 3
4
Cranking 178 175 170
175
Idle 60 60 40
60
2000 RPM 40 40 20
20

May indicate valve or flat camshaft problem on #3.

In conjunction with a cylinder leakdown test, is very helpful for
identifying problems.

You may not be able to peform running compression tests on all
vehicles. Especially OBD-II which will catch the misfire, unless you
can disable the individual cylinder.

>engine minus that spark plug. If indeed this is the case that makes no
>sense because you would have a misfire with that cylinder and it would set
>off codes in the computer that would need to be reset. Mostly compression


Only on OBD-II Lots of pre-OBD-II cars out there which won't bat an
eyelash on a running compression test.

>tests are just done while cranking the engine over and disabling the engine
>so that it temporarily doesn't fire.


And disconnecting power to the fuel injectors.

__________________
Note: To reply, replace the word 'spam' embedded in return address with 'mail'.
N38.6 W121.4

Barry S. 02-01-2004 05:47 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:43:46 -0800, "CaptainKrunch"
<nothing@nobody.com> wrote:

>It is like any other test. Like an EKG. It takes somebody that knows what
>they are doing in order to interpret the results correctly. Depending on
>whether overall compression is low or just an isolated cylinder or two would
>determine the fix.
>
>Pertaining to the other poster I have never heard of a running compression
>test. In as much as connecting a psi gauge to a cylinder and running the


Compression 1 2 3
4
Cranking 178 175 170
175
Idle 60 60 40
60
2000 RPM 40 40 20
20

May indicate valve or flat camshaft problem on #3.

In conjunction with a cylinder leakdown test, is very helpful for
identifying problems.

You may not be able to peform running compression tests on all
vehicles. Especially OBD-II which will catch the misfire, unless you
can disable the individual cylinder.

>engine minus that spark plug. If indeed this is the case that makes no
>sense because you would have a misfire with that cylinder and it would set
>off codes in the computer that would need to be reset. Mostly compression


Only on OBD-II Lots of pre-OBD-II cars out there which won't bat an
eyelash on a running compression test.

>tests are just done while cranking the engine over and disabling the engine
>so that it temporarily doesn't fire.


And disconnecting power to the fuel injectors.

__________________
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T. Nelson 02-02-2004 03:20 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
In article <mcpo10tvsqugjmejmt9g5r41ukcpclejmd@4ax.com>, nntp@spamsack.org
wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:35:21 GMT, "ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if you
> >get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?

>
> A cranking compression test is a measure of whether the cylinder is
> operating normally. If the cylinder can't compress air, it won't
> produce power. A running compression test (idle and 2000 RPM)
> sometimes helps point to camshaft and valve problems. All this
> combined with a cylinder leakdown test allow you to identify or rule
> out engine problems.
>
> The fix for low compression can be valves, rings, engine replacement..
>
>
> __________________
> Note: To reply, replace the word 'spam' embedded in return address with

'mail'.
> N38.6 W121.4


Excellent post--I was going to say some of these same things--but you done
it better and included more details than I would have included. Keep up
the great work.

T. Nelson 02-02-2004 03:20 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
In article <mcpo10tvsqugjmejmt9g5r41ukcpclejmd@4ax.com>, nntp@spamsack.org
wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:35:21 GMT, "ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if you
> >get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?

>
> A cranking compression test is a measure of whether the cylinder is
> operating normally. If the cylinder can't compress air, it won't
> produce power. A running compression test (idle and 2000 RPM)
> sometimes helps point to camshaft and valve problems. All this
> combined with a cylinder leakdown test allow you to identify or rule
> out engine problems.
>
> The fix for low compression can be valves, rings, engine replacement..
>
>
> __________________
> Note: To reply, replace the word 'spam' embedded in return address with

'mail'.
> N38.6 W121.4


Excellent post--I was going to say some of these same things--but you done
it better and included more details than I would have included. Keep up
the great work.

T. Nelson 02-02-2004 03:20 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
In article <mcpo10tvsqugjmejmt9g5r41ukcpclejmd@4ax.com>, nntp@spamsack.org
wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:35:21 GMT, "ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if you
> >get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?

>
> A cranking compression test is a measure of whether the cylinder is
> operating normally. If the cylinder can't compress air, it won't
> produce power. A running compression test (idle and 2000 RPM)
> sometimes helps point to camshaft and valve problems. All this
> combined with a cylinder leakdown test allow you to identify or rule
> out engine problems.
>
> The fix for low compression can be valves, rings, engine replacement..
>
>
> __________________
> Note: To reply, replace the word 'spam' embedded in return address with

'mail'.
> N38.6 W121.4


Excellent post--I was going to say some of these same things--but you done
it better and included more details than I would have included. Keep up
the great work.

T. Nelson 02-02-2004 03:20 PM

Re: Compression tests
 
In article <mcpo10tvsqugjmejmt9g5r41ukcpclejmd@4ax.com>, nntp@spamsack.org
wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:35:21 GMT, "ILJ" <res1kumh@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >What is the point of a compression test? I know what it measures, but if you
> >get a poor compression ratio, how do you fix it?

>
> A cranking compression test is a measure of whether the cylinder is
> operating normally. If the cylinder can't compress air, it won't
> produce power. A running compression test (idle and 2000 RPM)
> sometimes helps point to camshaft and valve problems. All this
> combined with a cylinder leakdown test allow you to identify or rule
> out engine problems.
>
> The fix for low compression can be valves, rings, engine replacement..
>
>
> __________________
> Note: To reply, replace the word 'spam' embedded in return address with

'mail'.
> N38.6 W121.4


Excellent post--I was going to say some of these same things--but you done
it better and included more details than I would have included. Keep up
the great work.


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