Larry

If you are spending the extra money for the ABS brakes, you are making a
decision based upon wrong assumptions. It has already been shown
statistically that ABS breaking systems are no more safer than traditional
breaking systems, because people place too much reliance on the ability of
ABS to shorten the stopping distance, which it won't do. I have never had
brake lockup become an issue in stopping, because I drive such that I see
what's ahead of me and break accordingly. Even under very occasional heavy
braking situations, neither my 99 Civic or 01 CRV LX have ever locked up
the brakes. If this were about air bags, then I'd sing a different tune.


"John" <hutch@dontspamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NQWsb.193534$HS4.1625139@attbi_s01...
> > Some one on the discussion group of www.edmunds.com got a deal below
> invoice
> > price. My deal on a 2004 LX FWD was under $18k +TTL, which was about
$1500
> > below MSRP.
>
> There are plenty of advertised deals on the LX models at around
18250-18500
> around here. Problem is that Honda only offers ABS on the EX trim, which
> would have required an extra $3-4K, we found at the dealers. Hey, I
respect
> strategic pricing, but when safety is at stake... not impressed by Honda's
> decisions on the trim lines.
>
>

Larry

If you are spending the extra money for the ABS brakes, you are making a
decision based upon wrong assumptions. It has already been shown
statistically that ABS breaking systems are no more safer than traditional
breaking systems, because people place too much reliance on the ability of
ABS to shorten the stopping distance, which it won't do. I have never had
brake lockup become an issue in stopping, because I drive such that I see
what's ahead of me and break accordingly. Even under very occasional heavy
braking situations, neither my 99 Civic or 01 CRV LX have ever locked up
the brakes. If this were about air bags, then I'd sing a different tune.


"John" <hutch@dontspamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NQWsb.193534$HS4.1625139@attbi_s01...
> > Some one on the discussion group of www.edmunds.com got a deal below
> invoice
> > price. My deal on a 2004 LX FWD was under $18k +TTL, which was about
$1500
> > below MSRP.
>
> There are plenty of advertised deals on the LX models at around
18250-18500
> around here. Problem is that Honda only offers ABS on the EX trim, which
> would have required an extra $3-4K, we found at the dealers. Hey, I
respect
> strategic pricing, but when safety is at stake... not impressed by Honda's
> decisions on the trim lines.
>
>

Larry

If you are spending the extra money for the ABS brakes, you are making a
decision based upon wrong assumptions. It has already been shown
statistically that ABS breaking systems are no more safer than traditional
breaking systems, because people place too much reliance on the ability of
ABS to shorten the stopping distance, which it won't do. I have never had
brake lockup become an issue in stopping, because I drive such that I see
what's ahead of me and break accordingly. Even under very occasional heavy
braking situations, neither my 99 Civic or 01 CRV LX have ever locked up
the brakes. If this were about air bags, then I'd sing a different tune.


"John" <hutch@dontspamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NQWsb.193534$HS4.1625139@attbi_s01...
> > Some one on the discussion group of www.edmunds.com got a deal below
> invoice
> > price. My deal on a 2004 LX FWD was under $18k +TTL, which was about
$1500
> > below MSRP.
>
> There are plenty of advertised deals on the LX models at around
18250-18500
> around here. Problem is that Honda only offers ABS on the EX trim, which
> would have required an extra $3-4K, we found at the dealers. Hey, I
respect
> strategic pricing, but when safety is at stake... not impressed by Honda's
> decisions on the trim lines.
>
>

Larry

If you are spending the extra money for the ABS brakes, you are making a
decision based upon wrong assumptions. It has already been shown
statistically that ABS breaking systems are no more safer than traditional
breaking systems, because people place too much reliance on the ability of
ABS to shorten the stopping distance, which it won't do. I have never had
brake lockup become an issue in stopping, because I drive such that I see
what's ahead of me and break accordingly. Even under very occasional heavy
braking situations, neither my 99 Civic or 01 CRV LX have ever locked up
the brakes. If this were about air bags, then I'd sing a different tune.


"John" <hutch@dontspamplease.com> wrote in message
news:NQWsb.193534$HS4.1625139@attbi_s01...
> > Some one on the discussion group of www.edmunds.com got a deal below
> invoice
> > price. My deal on a 2004 LX FWD was under $18k +TTL, which was about
$1500
> > below MSRP.
>
> There are plenty of advertised deals on the LX models at around
18250-18500
> around here. Problem is that Honda only offers ABS on the EX trim, which
> would have required an extra $3-4K, we found at the dealers. Hey, I
respect
> strategic pricing, but when safety is at stake... not impressed by Honda's
> decisions on the trim lines.
>
>

John

Sure, and you could also make that same argument about AWD vs. FWD. It may
be more an emotional than a rational/economic decision, but I'd feel a lot
better with my family in a car with both AWD and ABS... for no extra money,
of course .

(My 94 Civic's ABS actually do chatter sometimes in slippery situations.
Can't honestly say they've ever prevented an accident, but I do like having
them.)

"Larry" <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:2bbtb.31428$wU1.18111@newssvr27.news.prodigy. com...
> If you are spending the extra money for the ABS brakes, you are making a
> decision based upon wrong assumptions. It has already been shown
> statistically that ABS breaking systems are no more safer than traditional
> breaking systems, because people place too much reliance on the ability of
> ABS to shorten the stopping distance, which it won't do. I have never had
> brake lockup become an issue in stopping, because I drive such that I see
> what's ahead of me and break accordingly. Even under very occasional
heavy
> braking situations, neither my 99 Civic or 01 CRV LX have ever locked up
> the brakes. If this were about air bags, then I'd sing a different tune.

John

Sure, and you could also make that same argument about AWD vs. FWD. It may
be more an emotional than a rational/economic decision, but I'd feel a lot
better with my family in a car with both AWD and ABS... for no extra money,
of course .

(My 94 Civic's ABS actually do chatter sometimes in slippery situations.
Can't honestly say they've ever prevented an accident, but I do like having
them.)

"Larry" <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:2bbtb.31428$wU1.18111@newssvr27.news.prodigy. com...
> If you are spending the extra money for the ABS brakes, you are making a
> decision based upon wrong assumptions. It has already been shown
> statistically that ABS breaking systems are no more safer than traditional
> breaking systems, because people place too much reliance on the ability of
> ABS to shorten the stopping distance, which it won't do. I have never had
> brake lockup become an issue in stopping, because I drive such that I see
> what's ahead of me and break accordingly. Even under very occasional
heavy
> braking situations, neither my 99 Civic or 01 CRV LX have ever locked up
> the brakes. If this were about air bags, then I'd sing a different tune.

John

Sure, and you could also make that same argument about AWD vs. FWD. It may
be more an emotional than a rational/economic decision, but I'd feel a lot
better with my family in a car with both AWD and ABS... for no extra money,
of course .

(My 94 Civic's ABS actually do chatter sometimes in slippery situations.
Can't honestly say they've ever prevented an accident, but I do like having
them.)

"Larry" <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:2bbtb.31428$wU1.18111@newssvr27.news.prodigy. com...
> If you are spending the extra money for the ABS brakes, you are making a
> decision based upon wrong assumptions. It has already been shown
> statistically that ABS breaking systems are no more safer than traditional
> breaking systems, because people place too much reliance on the ability of
> ABS to shorten the stopping distance, which it won't do. I have never had
> brake lockup become an issue in stopping, because I drive such that I see
> what's ahead of me and break accordingly. Even under very occasional
heavy
> braking situations, neither my 99 Civic or 01 CRV LX have ever locked up
> the brakes. If this were about air bags, then I'd sing a different tune.

John

Sure, and you could also make that same argument about AWD vs. FWD. It may
be more an emotional than a rational/economic decision, but I'd feel a lot
better with my family in a car with both AWD and ABS... for no extra money,
of course .

(My 94 Civic's ABS actually do chatter sometimes in slippery situations.
Can't honestly say they've ever prevented an accident, but I do like having
them.)

"Larry" <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:2bbtb.31428$wU1.18111@newssvr27.news.prodigy. com...
> If you are spending the extra money for the ABS brakes, you are making a
> decision based upon wrong assumptions. It has already been shown
> statistically that ABS breaking systems are no more safer than traditional
> breaking systems, because people place too much reliance on the ability of
> ABS to shorten the stopping distance, which it won't do. I have never had
> brake lockup become an issue in stopping, because I drive such that I see
> what's ahead of me and break accordingly. Even under very occasional
heavy
> braking situations, neither my 99 Civic or 01 CRV LX have ever locked up
> the brakes. If this were about air bags, then I'd sing a different tune.

Larry

Well...its you money....and your right to spend it as you please. If those
features give you a sense of security, then have them, but you made your
comment based on safety...which is not factual. If you want to add more to
that, then only look at cars with traction control, which in my opinion
offers more safety capabilties than ABS. As far as AWD vs FWD, if you live
in an adverse climate that requires AWD capability, then I agree with you
wholeheartedly.


"John" <hutch@dontspamplease.com> wrote in message
news:O6ctb.2700$Dw6.18200@attbi_s02...
> Sure, and you could also make that same argument about AWD vs. FWD. It may
> be more an emotional than a rational/economic decision, but I'd feel a lot
> better with my family in a car with both AWD and ABS... for no extra
money,
> of course .
>
> (My 94 Civic's ABS actually do chatter sometimes in slippery situations.
> Can't honestly say they've ever prevented an accident, but I do like
having
> them.)
>
> "Larry" <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:2bbtb.31428$wU1.18111@newssvr27.news.prodigy. com...
> > If you are spending the extra money for the ABS brakes, you are making a
> > decision based upon wrong assumptions. It has already been shown
> > statistically that ABS breaking systems are no more safer than
traditional
> > breaking systems, because people place too much reliance on the ability
of
> > ABS to shorten the stopping distance, which it won't do. I have never
had
> > brake lockup become an issue in stopping, because I drive such that I
see
> > what's ahead of me and break accordingly. Even under very occasional
> heavy
> > braking situations, neither my 99 Civic or 01 CRV LX have ever locked
up
> > the brakes. If this were about air bags, then I'd sing a different
tune.
>
>

Larry

Well...its you money....and your right to spend it as you please. If those
features give you a sense of security, then have them, but you made your
comment based on safety...which is not factual. If you want to add more to
that, then only look at cars with traction control, which in my opinion
offers more safety capabilties than ABS. As far as AWD vs FWD, if you live
in an adverse climate that requires AWD capability, then I agree with you
wholeheartedly.


"John" <hutch@dontspamplease.com> wrote in message
news:O6ctb.2700$Dw6.18200@attbi_s02...
> Sure, and you could also make that same argument about AWD vs. FWD. It may
> be more an emotional than a rational/economic decision, but I'd feel a lot
> better with my family in a car with both AWD and ABS... for no extra
money,
> of course .
>
> (My 94 Civic's ABS actually do chatter sometimes in slippery situations.
> Can't honestly say they've ever prevented an accident, but I do like
having
> them.)
>
> "Larry" <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:2bbtb.31428$wU1.18111@newssvr27.news.prodigy. com...
> > If you are spending the extra money for the ABS brakes, you are making a
> > decision based upon wrong assumptions. It has already been shown
> > statistically that ABS breaking systems are no more safer than
traditional
> > breaking systems, because people place too much reliance on the ability
of
> > ABS to shorten the stopping distance, which it won't do. I have never
had
> > brake lockup become an issue in stopping, because I drive such that I
see
> > what's ahead of me and break accordingly. Even under very occasional
> heavy
> > braking situations, neither my 99 Civic or 01 CRV LX have ever locked
up
> > the brakes. If this were about air bags, then I'd sing a different
tune.
>
>

Larry

Well...its you money....and your right to spend it as you please. If those
features give you a sense of security, then have them, but you made your
comment based on safety...which is not factual. If you want to add more to
that, then only look at cars with traction control, which in my opinion
offers more safety capabilties than ABS. As far as AWD vs FWD, if you live
in an adverse climate that requires AWD capability, then I agree with you
wholeheartedly.


"John" <hutch@dontspamplease.com> wrote in message
news:O6ctb.2700$Dw6.18200@attbi_s02...
> Sure, and you could also make that same argument about AWD vs. FWD. It may
> be more an emotional than a rational/economic decision, but I'd feel a lot
> better with my family in a car with both AWD and ABS... for no extra
money,
> of course .
>
> (My 94 Civic's ABS actually do chatter sometimes in slippery situations.
> Can't honestly say they've ever prevented an accident, but I do like
having
> them.)
>
> "Larry" <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:2bbtb.31428$wU1.18111@newssvr27.news.prodigy. com...
> > If you are spending the extra money for the ABS brakes, you are making a
> > decision based upon wrong assumptions. It has already been shown
> > statistically that ABS breaking systems are no more safer than
traditional
> > breaking systems, because people place too much reliance on the ability
of
> > ABS to shorten the stopping distance, which it won't do. I have never
had
> > brake lockup become an issue in stopping, because I drive such that I
see
> > what's ahead of me and break accordingly. Even under very occasional
> heavy
> > braking situations, neither my 99 Civic or 01 CRV LX have ever locked
up
> > the brakes. If this were about air bags, then I'd sing a different
tune.
>
>

Larry

Well...its you money....and your right to spend it as you please. If those
features give you a sense of security, then have them, but you made your
comment based on safety...which is not factual. If you want to add more to
that, then only look at cars with traction control, which in my opinion
offers more safety capabilties than ABS. As far as AWD vs FWD, if you live
in an adverse climate that requires AWD capability, then I agree with you
wholeheartedly.


"John" <hutch@dontspamplease.com> wrote in message
news:O6ctb.2700$Dw6.18200@attbi_s02...
> Sure, and you could also make that same argument about AWD vs. FWD. It may
> be more an emotional than a rational/economic decision, but I'd feel a lot
> better with my family in a car with both AWD and ABS... for no extra
money,
> of course .
>
> (My 94 Civic's ABS actually do chatter sometimes in slippery situations.
> Can't honestly say they've ever prevented an accident, but I do like
having
> them.)
>
> "Larry" <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:2bbtb.31428$wU1.18111@newssvr27.news.prodigy. com...
> > If you are spending the extra money for the ABS brakes, you are making a
> > decision based upon wrong assumptions. It has already been shown
> > statistically that ABS breaking systems are no more safer than
traditional
> > breaking systems, because people place too much reliance on the ability
of
> > ABS to shorten the stopping distance, which it won't do. I have never
had
> > brake lockup become an issue in stopping, because I drive such that I
see
> > what's ahead of me and break accordingly. Even under very occasional
> heavy
> > braking situations, neither my 99 Civic or 01 CRV LX have ever locked
up
> > the brakes. If this were about air bags, then I'd sing a different
tune.
>
>