Re: "Decarbonizing" Honda Odyssey
 

Mayday wrote:

> My dealer recommends "decarbonizing" the throttle body (by soaking it in
> solvent) of my Odyssey every 2 years for $179. He says it's due to the
> cheap gas and, god forbid, the carbon migrate all the way to the catalytic
> converter.

if theyre snowing you like that, you must be a chick, right? carbon
migration? LOL!
>
> I'm a little confused since I picture the throttle body as being before the
> cylinders/combustion, and the catalytic converter as after...
>
> But, none the less, has anyone heard of this and is it worth it?

sometimes, on some cars, the TB *might* need to be cleaned to get some
varnish and crap out. simple as using a $3 can of throttle body spray
cleaner, and possibly a toothbrush. usually can be felt as the throttle
sticking a bit, or idling a little off even after a tuneup.

but a $179 "soak" every 2 years? sounds like they want to "soak" you.

id bet you anything their "soak" involves a $3 can of spray cleaner, and
$176 in pizza and beer for the service techs that day.
>
> Thanks
>
>

Re: "Decarbonizing" Honda Odyssey
 

Alex Rodriguez wrote:

> In article <7FqSc.65$8I2.59@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, mayday@nospam.net says...
>
>>My dealer recommends "decarbonizing" the throttle body (by soaking it in
>>solvent) of my Odyssey every 2 years for $179. He says it's due to the
>>cheap gas and, god forbid, the carbon migrate all the way to the catalytic
>>converter.
>>I'm a little confused since I picture the throttle body as being before the
>>cylinders/combustion, and the catalytic converter as after...
>>But, none the less, has anyone heard of this and is it worth it?
>
>
> It is worth it to your dealer to recommend this worthless service. They
> make a hefty profit. A good way to double check this is to look at the
> service schedule that came with your car. See if this so called service
> is needed.

yeah. id bring this to the "stealers" attention as well. bring your
owners manual and ask where it is.

Re: "Decarbonizing" Honda Odyssey
 

Alex Rodriguez wrote:

> In article <7FqSc.65$8I2.59@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, mayday@nospam.net says...
>
>>My dealer recommends "decarbonizing" the throttle body (by soaking it in
>>solvent) of my Odyssey every 2 years for $179. He says it's due to the
>>cheap gas and, god forbid, the carbon migrate all the way to the catalytic
>>converter.
>>I'm a little confused since I picture the throttle body as being before the
>>cylinders/combustion, and the catalytic converter as after...
>>But, none the less, has anyone heard of this and is it worth it?
>
>
> It is worth it to your dealer to recommend this worthless service. They
> make a hefty profit. A good way to double check this is to look at the
> service schedule that came with your car. See if this so called service
> is needed.

yeah. id bring this to the "stealers" attention as well. bring your
owners manual and ask where it is.

Re: "Decarbonizing" Honda Odyssey
 

SoCalMike wrote:
> $176 in pizza and beer for the service techs that day.

LOL!

Re: "Decarbonizing" Honda Odyssey
 

SoCalMike wrote:
> $176 in pizza and beer for the service techs that day.

LOL!

Re: "Decarbonizing" Honda Odyssey
 

"MeatballTurbo" <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b854be6aecfb37898a478@news.individual.ne t...
: In article <7FqSc.65$8I2.59@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, mayday@nospam.net
: says...
: > But, none the less, has anyone heard of this and is it worth it?
: >
: A bottle/can of solvent carb/throttle body cleaner, a toothbrush, what
: ever tool is need to pull the intake pipe off, and about 30mins-1hr time
: to clean it. No problems, and very little work.
:
: Might run lumpy for a little while when the residues burn with the fuel,
: but it will be much cheaper than dealer job.
: --
: The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

Not to say $179 isn't excessive (see my earlier post), but I downloaded the
instructions for doing this job on my '00 Accord and it didn't look like a
trivial process to me. Granted, I am not a trained mechanic. I thought it
was well worth the $64 it cost me to have it done by people who really did
know what they were doing.

BTW, before having this done, I went through three bottles of "fuel system
cleaner" (gasoline additive) over a period of several weeks and it didn't
cure the sticky throttle. Didn't hurt anything, though, as far as I know, so
I chalked it up as an education expense.

Paul

Re: "Decarbonizing" Honda Odyssey
 

"MeatballTurbo" <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b854be6aecfb37898a478@news.individual.ne t...
: In article <7FqSc.65$8I2.59@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, mayday@nospam.net
: says...
: > But, none the less, has anyone heard of this and is it worth it?
: >
: A bottle/can of solvent carb/throttle body cleaner, a toothbrush, what
: ever tool is need to pull the intake pipe off, and about 30mins-1hr time
: to clean it. No problems, and very little work.
:
: Might run lumpy for a little while when the residues burn with the fuel,
: but it will be much cheaper than dealer job.
: --
: The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

Not to say $179 isn't excessive (see my earlier post), but I downloaded the
instructions for doing this job on my '00 Accord and it didn't look like a
trivial process to me. Granted, I am not a trained mechanic. I thought it
was well worth the $64 it cost me to have it done by people who really did
know what they were doing.

BTW, before having this done, I went through three bottles of "fuel system
cleaner" (gasoline additive) over a period of several weeks and it didn't
cure the sticky throttle. Didn't hurt anything, though, as far as I know, so
I chalked it up as an education expense.

Paul

Re: "Decarbonizing" Honda Odyssey
 

It is certainly a trivial thing to somebody that has experience working on
vehicles.

To the mechanically challenged individuals of the world this could certainly
appear to be overwhelming.

CaptainKrunch


"Paul" <paulDONTSPAMMEmueller@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:cF8Tc.15495$nx2.9570@newsread2.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
> "MeatballTurbo" <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1b854be6aecfb37898a478@news.individual.ne t...
> : In article <7FqSc.65$8I2.59@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, mayday@nospam.net
> : says...
> : > But, none the less, has anyone heard of this and is it worth it?
> : >
> : A bottle/can of solvent carb/throttle body cleaner, a toothbrush, what
> : ever tool is need to pull the intake pipe off, and about 30mins-1hr time
> : to clean it. No problems, and very little work.
> :
> : Might run lumpy for a little while when the residues burn with the fuel,
> : but it will be much cheaper than dealer job.
> : --
> : The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
> : http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
>
> Not to say $179 isn't excessive (see my earlier post), but I downloaded
the
> instructions for doing this job on my '00 Accord and it didn't look like a
> trivial process to me. Granted, I am not a trained mechanic. I thought it
> was well worth the $64 it cost me to have it done by people who really did
> know what they were doing.
>
> BTW, before having this done, I went through three bottles of "fuel system
> cleaner" (gasoline additive) over a period of several weeks and it didn't
> cure the sticky throttle. Didn't hurt anything, though, as far as I know,
so
> I chalked it up as an education expense.
>
> Paul
>
>

Re: "Decarbonizing" Honda Odyssey
 

It is certainly a trivial thing to somebody that has experience working on
vehicles.

To the mechanically challenged individuals of the world this could certainly
appear to be overwhelming.

CaptainKrunch


"Paul" <paulDONTSPAMMEmueller@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:cF8Tc.15495$nx2.9570@newsread2.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
> "MeatballTurbo" <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1b854be6aecfb37898a478@news.individual.ne t...
> : In article <7FqSc.65$8I2.59@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, mayday@nospam.net
> : says...
> : > But, none the less, has anyone heard of this and is it worth it?
> : >
> : A bottle/can of solvent carb/throttle body cleaner, a toothbrush, what
> : ever tool is need to pull the intake pipe off, and about 30mins-1hr time
> : to clean it. No problems, and very little work.
> :
> : Might run lumpy for a little while when the residues burn with the fuel,
> : but it will be much cheaper than dealer job.
> : --
> : The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
> : http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
>
> Not to say $179 isn't excessive (see my earlier post), but I downloaded
the
> instructions for doing this job on my '00 Accord and it didn't look like a
> trivial process to me. Granted, I am not a trained mechanic. I thought it
> was well worth the $64 it cost me to have it done by people who really did
> know what they were doing.
>
> BTW, before having this done, I went through three bottles of "fuel system
> cleaner" (gasoline additive) over a period of several weeks and it didn't
> cure the sticky throttle. Didn't hurt anything, though, as far as I know,
so
> I chalked it up as an education expense.
>
> Paul
>
>

Re: "Decarbonizing" Honda Odyssey
 

In article <cF8Tc.15495$nx2.9570@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink .net>,
paulDONTSPAMMEmueller@mindspring.com spouted forth into
alt.autos.honda...
> BTW, before having this done, I went through three bottles of "fuel system
> cleaner" (gasoline additive) over a period of several weeks and it didn't
> cure the sticky throttle. Didn't hurt anything, though, as far as I know, so
> I chalked it up as an education expense.
>
If it is added to the fuel, unfortunatley it wouldn' go anywhere near
the throttle plate, because it is added downstream of there, through the
injectors. Normally they are either in the manifold, or direct into the
head.
--
Carl Robson
(The poster formerly known as Skodapilot)
http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

Re: "Decarbonizing" Honda Odyssey
 

In article <cF8Tc.15495$nx2.9570@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink .net>,
paulDONTSPAMMEmueller@mindspring.com spouted forth into
alt.autos.honda...
> BTW, before having this done, I went through three bottles of "fuel system
> cleaner" (gasoline additive) over a period of several weeks and it didn't
> cure the sticky throttle. Didn't hurt anything, though, as far as I know, so
> I chalked it up as an education expense.
>
If it is added to the fuel, unfortunatley it wouldn' go anywhere near
the throttle plate, because it is added downstream of there, through the
injectors. Normally they are either in the manifold, or direct into the
head.
--
Carl Robson
(The poster formerly known as Skodapilot)
http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

Re: "Decarbonizing" Honda Odyssey
 

In article <cF8Tc.15495$nx2.9570@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink .net>,
paulDONTSPAMMEmueller@mindspring.com spouted forth into
alt.autos.honda...
> Not to say $179 isn't excessive (see my earlier post), but I downloaded the
> instructions for doing this job on my '00 Accord and it didn't look like a
> trivial process to me. Granted, I am not a trained mechanic. I thought it
> was well worth the $64 it cost me to have it done by people who really did
> know what they were doing.
>

It isn't exactley rocket science, but with the complexity of modern
engines, I can see it might be difficult to actually work out what you
are supposed to remove to get to were you want to go, before you
actually get there, and what you need to remove to get in.

I'm lucky, while I looking for a nice generation 4 prelude, the car I'm
currently driving is an 80's Saab. While it is fully injected, the
engine bay is huge for the inline 4 engine, and you can get to, or at
least see most things very, very easily.

Hopefully, by this afternoon (UK time), I shall be the owner of a fairly
low mileage metallic black JDM 1991 Prelude VTEC, with just two owners,
and about 5k miles away from a cambelt change.

Needs it's annual inspection/MOT at the end of this month, so I will put
it in early, incase anything needs doing, but I'm hopeful.
--
Carl Robson
(The poster formerly known as Skodapilot)
http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

Re: "Decarbonizing" Honda Odyssey
 

In article <cF8Tc.15495$nx2.9570@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink .net>,
paulDONTSPAMMEmueller@mindspring.com spouted forth into
alt.autos.honda...
> Not to say $179 isn't excessive (see my earlier post), but I downloaded the
> instructions for doing this job on my '00 Accord and it didn't look like a
> trivial process to me. Granted, I am not a trained mechanic. I thought it
> was well worth the $64 it cost me to have it done by people who really did
> know what they were doing.
>

It isn't exactley rocket science, but with the complexity of modern
engines, I can see it might be difficult to actually work out what you
are supposed to remove to get to were you want to go, before you
actually get there, and what you need to remove to get in.

I'm lucky, while I looking for a nice generation 4 prelude, the car I'm
currently driving is an 80's Saab. While it is fully injected, the
engine bay is huge for the inline 4 engine, and you can get to, or at
least see most things very, very easily.

Hopefully, by this afternoon (UK time), I shall be the owner of a fairly
low mileage metallic black JDM 1991 Prelude VTEC, with just two owners,
and about 5k miles away from a cambelt change.

Needs it's annual inspection/MOT at the end of this month, so I will put
it in early, incase anything needs doing, but I'm hopeful.
--
Carl Robson
(The poster formerly known as Skodapilot)
http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

Re: "Decarbonizing" Honda Odyssey
 

I used Chevron Techron fuel system and combustion cleaner a few times.
Can't say if it worked, maybe it did but surely there was no negative
effect. So for $5, you can try without any risk.

Quality gas ads from Shell are not confirmed. Don't trust them. Go to
their web site and asked for independent lab test.

No noticeable difference if I used gas from Costco, Walmart.


Abeness <news@nada.x> wrote in message news:<411bd23d$0$5899$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>...
> Jason wrote:
> > Shell says that they have a new type of gas that contains lots of
> > cleaning solution
>
> Good for them, but does anyone know of a source for independent
> laboratory assessment of such claims? I'd much rather buy a bottle of
> additive every few months than pay $.15 more per gallon every time I
> fill up.
>
> Abe

Re: "Decarbonizing" Honda Odyssey
 

I used Chevron Techron fuel system and combustion cleaner a few times.
Can't say if it worked, maybe it did but surely there was no negative
effect. So for $5, you can try without any risk.

Quality gas ads from Shell are not confirmed. Don't trust them. Go to
their web site and asked for independent lab test.

No noticeable difference if I used gas from Costco, Walmart.


Abeness <news@nada.x> wrote in message news:<411bd23d$0$5899$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>...
> Jason wrote:
> > Shell says that they have a new type of gas that contains lots of
> > cleaning solution
>
> Good for them, but does anyone know of a source for independent
> laboratory assessment of such claims? I'd much rather buy a bottle of
> additive every few months than pay $.15 more per gallon every time I
> fill up.
>
> Abe