Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
I live in the suburbs of a major northeastern U.S. city and had some work
done on my 2000-vintage Honda Odyssey just last week. They charged the following for labor: Replaced Front Engine Mount --- $135 Replace R/F Strut --- $135 Replace Both Wheel Cylinders --- $270 Did I get hosed? Thanks. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally
last for the life of the vehicle, and yes 135 for labor for replacing engine mounts seems high. This procedure should take a skilled mechanic 1 hour at the most and 135/hr labor rate is very high. As for the strut, generally struts are replaced in pairs but 135 is not too bad since there is a lot of work involved there. And for the wheel cylinder, I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you post more info I will be able to judge better. 444 wrote: > I live in the suburbs of a major northeastern U.S. city and had some work > done on my 2000-vintage Honda Odyssey just last week. > > They charged the following for labor: > > Replaced Front Engine Mount --- $135 > > Replace R/F Strut --- $135 > > Replace Both Wheel Cylinders --- $270 > > Did I get hosed? > > Thanks. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally
last for the life of the vehicle, and yes 135 for labor for replacing engine mounts seems high. This procedure should take a skilled mechanic 1 hour at the most and 135/hr labor rate is very high. As for the strut, generally struts are replaced in pairs but 135 is not too bad since there is a lot of work involved there. And for the wheel cylinder, I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you post more info I will be able to judge better. 444 wrote: > I live in the suburbs of a major northeastern U.S. city and had some work > done on my 2000-vintage Honda Odyssey just last week. > > They charged the following for labor: > > Replaced Front Engine Mount --- $135 > > Replace R/F Strut --- $135 > > Replace Both Wheel Cylinders --- $270 > > Did I get hosed? > > Thanks. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally
last for the life of the vehicle, and yes 135 for labor for replacing engine mounts seems high. This procedure should take a skilled mechanic 1 hour at the most and 135/hr labor rate is very high. As for the strut, generally struts are replaced in pairs but 135 is not too bad since there is a lot of work involved there. And for the wheel cylinder, I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you post more info I will be able to judge better. 444 wrote: > I live in the suburbs of a major northeastern U.S. city and had some work > done on my 2000-vintage Honda Odyssey just last week. > > They charged the following for labor: > > Replaced Front Engine Mount --- $135 > > Replace R/F Strut --- $135 > > Replace Both Wheel Cylinders --- $270 > > Did I get hosed? > > Thanks. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally
last for the life of the vehicle, and yes 135 for labor for replacing engine mounts seems high. This procedure should take a skilled mechanic 1 hour at the most and 135/hr labor rate is very high. As for the strut, generally struts are replaced in pairs but 135 is not too bad since there is a lot of work involved there. And for the wheel cylinder, I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you post more info I will be able to judge better. 444 wrote: > I live in the suburbs of a major northeastern U.S. city and had some work > done on my 2000-vintage Honda Odyssey just last week. > > They charged the following for labor: > > Replaced Front Engine Mount --- $135 > > Replace R/F Strut --- $135 > > Replace Both Wheel Cylinders --- $270 > > Did I get hosed? > > Thanks. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
444 wrote:
> I live in the suburbs of a major northeastern U.S. city and had some work > done on my 2000-vintage Honda Odyssey just last week. > > They charged the following for labor: > > Replaced Front Engine Mount --- $135 > > Replace R/F Strut --- $135 > > Replace Both Wheel Cylinders --- $270 > > Did I get hosed? > > Thanks. not necessarily. did they use honda parts? list price for the motor mount is $105 so that's $20 labor. list on the strut is $126... |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
444 wrote:
> I live in the suburbs of a major northeastern U.S. city and had some work > done on my 2000-vintage Honda Odyssey just last week. > > They charged the following for labor: > > Replaced Front Engine Mount --- $135 > > Replace R/F Strut --- $135 > > Replace Both Wheel Cylinders --- $270 > > Did I get hosed? > > Thanks. not necessarily. did they use honda parts? list price for the motor mount is $105 so that's $20 labor. list on the strut is $126... |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
444 wrote:
> I live in the suburbs of a major northeastern U.S. city and had some work > done on my 2000-vintage Honda Odyssey just last week. > > They charged the following for labor: > > Replaced Front Engine Mount --- $135 > > Replace R/F Strut --- $135 > > Replace Both Wheel Cylinders --- $270 > > Did I get hosed? > > Thanks. not necessarily. did they use honda parts? list price for the motor mount is $105 so that's $20 labor. list on the strut is $126... |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
444 wrote:
> I live in the suburbs of a major northeastern U.S. city and had some work > done on my 2000-vintage Honda Odyssey just last week. > > They charged the following for labor: > > Replaced Front Engine Mount --- $135 > > Replace R/F Strut --- $135 > > Replace Both Wheel Cylinders --- $270 > > Did I get hosed? > > Thanks. not necessarily. did they use honda parts? list price for the motor mount is $105 so that's $20 labor. list on the strut is $126... |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
Paul wrote:
> First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally > last for the life of the vehicle, that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see identical damage. > and yes 135 for labor for replacing > engine mounts seems high. This procedure should take a skilled > mechanic 1 hour at the most and 135/hr labor rate is very high. As for > the strut, generally struts are replaced in pairs but 135 is not too > bad since there is a lot of work involved there. And for the wheel > cylinder, I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you post more info I > will be able to judge better. > 444 wrote: >> I live in the suburbs of a major northeastern U.S. city and had some work >> done on my 2000-vintage Honda Odyssey just last week. >> >> They charged the following for labor: >> >> Replaced Front Engine Mount --- $135 >> >> Replace R/F Strut --- $135 >> >> Replace Both Wheel Cylinders --- $270 >> >> Did I get hosed? >> >> Thanks. > |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
Paul wrote:
> First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally > last for the life of the vehicle, that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see identical damage. > and yes 135 for labor for replacing > engine mounts seems high. This procedure should take a skilled > mechanic 1 hour at the most and 135/hr labor rate is very high. As for > the strut, generally struts are replaced in pairs but 135 is not too > bad since there is a lot of work involved there. And for the wheel > cylinder, I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you post more info I > will be able to judge better. > 444 wrote: >> I live in the suburbs of a major northeastern U.S. city and had some work >> done on my 2000-vintage Honda Odyssey just last week. >> >> They charged the following for labor: >> >> Replaced Front Engine Mount --- $135 >> >> Replace R/F Strut --- $135 >> >> Replace Both Wheel Cylinders --- $270 >> >> Did I get hosed? >> >> Thanks. > |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
Paul wrote:
> First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally > last for the life of the vehicle, that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see identical damage. > and yes 135 for labor for replacing > engine mounts seems high. This procedure should take a skilled > mechanic 1 hour at the most and 135/hr labor rate is very high. As for > the strut, generally struts are replaced in pairs but 135 is not too > bad since there is a lot of work involved there. And for the wheel > cylinder, I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you post more info I > will be able to judge better. > 444 wrote: >> I live in the suburbs of a major northeastern U.S. city and had some work >> done on my 2000-vintage Honda Odyssey just last week. >> >> They charged the following for labor: >> >> Replaced Front Engine Mount --- $135 >> >> Replace R/F Strut --- $135 >> >> Replace Both Wheel Cylinders --- $270 >> >> Did I get hosed? >> >> Thanks. > |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
Paul wrote:
> First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally > last for the life of the vehicle, that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see identical damage. > and yes 135 for labor for replacing > engine mounts seems high. This procedure should take a skilled > mechanic 1 hour at the most and 135/hr labor rate is very high. As for > the strut, generally struts are replaced in pairs but 135 is not too > bad since there is a lot of work involved there. And for the wheel > cylinder, I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you post more info I > will be able to judge better. > 444 wrote: >> I live in the suburbs of a major northeastern U.S. city and had some work >> done on my 2000-vintage Honda Odyssey just last week. >> >> They charged the following for labor: >> >> Replaced Front Engine Mount --- $135 >> >> Replace R/F Strut --- $135 >> >> Replace Both Wheel Cylinders --- $270 >> >> Did I get hosed? >> >> Thanks. > |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
jim beam wrote: > > not necessarily. did they use honda parts? list price for the motor > mount is $105 so that's $20 labor. list on the strut is $126... True, but the post said they charged him 135 just for labor. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
jim beam wrote: > > not necessarily. did they use honda parts? list price for the motor > mount is $105 so that's $20 labor. list on the strut is $126... True, but the post said they charged him 135 just for labor. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
jim beam wrote: > > not necessarily. did they use honda parts? list price for the motor > mount is $105 so that's $20 labor. list on the strut is $126... True, but the post said they charged him 135 just for labor. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
jim beam wrote: > > not necessarily. did they use honda parts? list price for the motor > mount is $105 so that's $20 labor. list on the strut is $126... True, but the post said they charged him 135 just for labor. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
jim beam wrote: > Paul wrote: > > First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally > > last for the life of the vehicle, > > that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing > arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the > rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see > identical damage. > > > Also true, but the car is a 2000, i have seen hondas from the early 90's with no problems. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
jim beam wrote: > Paul wrote: > > First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally > > last for the life of the vehicle, > > that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing > arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the > rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see > identical damage. > > > Also true, but the car is a 2000, i have seen hondas from the early 90's with no problems. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
jim beam wrote: > Paul wrote: > > First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally > > last for the life of the vehicle, > > that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing > arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the > rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see > identical damage. > > > Also true, but the car is a 2000, i have seen hondas from the early 90's with no problems. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
jim beam wrote: > Paul wrote: > > First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally > > last for the life of the vehicle, > > that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing > arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the > rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see > identical damage. > > > Also true, but the car is a 2000, i have seen hondas from the early 90's with no problems. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
Paul wrote:
> jim beam wrote: >> Paul wrote: >>> First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally >>> last for the life of the vehicle, >> that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing >> arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the >> rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see >> identical damage. >> > > Also true, but the car is a 2000, i have seen hondas from the early > 90's with no problems. > it depends on /which/ bushing. go to a junk yard and show me even one single civic bushing as described that's not shot to bits. same goes for rear motor mounts. only thing about the latter is that they're not as easy to see. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
Paul wrote:
> jim beam wrote: >> Paul wrote: >>> First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally >>> last for the life of the vehicle, >> that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing >> arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the >> rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see >> identical damage. >> > > Also true, but the car is a 2000, i have seen hondas from the early > 90's with no problems. > it depends on /which/ bushing. go to a junk yard and show me even one single civic bushing as described that's not shot to bits. same goes for rear motor mounts. only thing about the latter is that they're not as easy to see. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
Paul wrote:
> jim beam wrote: >> Paul wrote: >>> First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally >>> last for the life of the vehicle, >> that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing >> arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the >> rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see >> identical damage. >> > > Also true, but the car is a 2000, i have seen hondas from the early > 90's with no problems. > it depends on /which/ bushing. go to a junk yard and show me even one single civic bushing as described that's not shot to bits. same goes for rear motor mounts. only thing about the latter is that they're not as easy to see. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
Paul wrote:
> jim beam wrote: >> Paul wrote: >>> First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally >>> last for the life of the vehicle, >> that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing >> arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the >> rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see >> identical damage. >> > > Also true, but the car is a 2000, i have seen hondas from the early > 90's with no problems. > it depends on /which/ bushing. go to a junk yard and show me even one single civic bushing as described that's not shot to bits. same goes for rear motor mounts. only thing about the latter is that they're not as easy to see. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
Paul wrote:
> jim beam wrote: > >> not necessarily. did they use honda parts? list price for the motor >> mount is $105 so that's $20 labor. list on the strut is $126... > > > True, but the post said they charged him 135 just for labor. > ok, i misread. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
Paul wrote:
> jim beam wrote: > >> not necessarily. did they use honda parts? list price for the motor >> mount is $105 so that's $20 labor. list on the strut is $126... > > > True, but the post said they charged him 135 just for labor. > ok, i misread. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
Paul wrote:
> jim beam wrote: > >> not necessarily. did they use honda parts? list price for the motor >> mount is $105 so that's $20 labor. list on the strut is $126... > > > True, but the post said they charged him 135 just for labor. > ok, i misread. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
Paul wrote:
> jim beam wrote: > >> not necessarily. did they use honda parts? list price for the motor >> mount is $105 so that's $20 labor. list on the strut is $126... > > > True, but the post said they charged him 135 just for labor. > ok, i misread. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
In article <1166577968.565697.293340@80g2000cwy.googlegroups. com>,
"Paul" <blntitan07@insightbb.com> wrote: > First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally > last for the life of the vehicle, and yes 135 for labor for replacing > engine mounts seems high. This procedure should take a skilled > mechanic 1 hour at the most That doesn't matter. It's the book rate that matters. If the book rate is 1.5 hours, that's about right. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
In article <1166577968.565697.293340@80g2000cwy.googlegroups. com>,
"Paul" <blntitan07@insightbb.com> wrote: > First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally > last for the life of the vehicle, and yes 135 for labor for replacing > engine mounts seems high. This procedure should take a skilled > mechanic 1 hour at the most That doesn't matter. It's the book rate that matters. If the book rate is 1.5 hours, that's about right. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
In article <1166577968.565697.293340@80g2000cwy.googlegroups. com>,
"Paul" <blntitan07@insightbb.com> wrote: > First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally > last for the life of the vehicle, and yes 135 for labor for replacing > engine mounts seems high. This procedure should take a skilled > mechanic 1 hour at the most That doesn't matter. It's the book rate that matters. If the book rate is 1.5 hours, that's about right. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
In article <1166577968.565697.293340@80g2000cwy.googlegroups. com>,
"Paul" <blntitan07@insightbb.com> wrote: > First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally > last for the life of the vehicle, and yes 135 for labor for replacing > engine mounts seems high. This procedure should take a skilled > mechanic 1 hour at the most That doesn't matter. It's the book rate that matters. If the book rate is 1.5 hours, that's about right. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
First you should understand the vehicle you are talking about. Second you
need to know the location the service is done as labor rates vary widely depending where it is done. Also we need to know if it was done by a dealer or not. The front motor mount on the odyssey is electronically controlled and the engine will rock some when doing the brakes on in/out of gear test leading the uninformed to thing it is bad. Also the Odyssey mounts are fluid filled and can spring a leak. If you think these prices are high wait till the transmission goes and on this van it is not if but when. Of coarse the lawsuit extended the warranty to 109k from 100k....... "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:rZednTGSUvXkMxXYnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > Paul wrote: >> jim beam wrote: >>> Paul wrote: >>>> First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally >>>> last for the life of the vehicle, >>> that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing >>> arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the >>> rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see >>> identical damage. >>> >> >> Also true, but the car is a 2000, i have seen hondas from the early >> 90's with no problems. >> > it depends on /which/ bushing. go to a junk yard and show me even one > single civic bushing as described that's not shot to bits. same goes for > rear motor mounts. only thing about the latter is that they're not as > easy to see. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
First you should understand the vehicle you are talking about. Second you
need to know the location the service is done as labor rates vary widely depending where it is done. Also we need to know if it was done by a dealer or not. The front motor mount on the odyssey is electronically controlled and the engine will rock some when doing the brakes on in/out of gear test leading the uninformed to thing it is bad. Also the Odyssey mounts are fluid filled and can spring a leak. If you think these prices are high wait till the transmission goes and on this van it is not if but when. Of coarse the lawsuit extended the warranty to 109k from 100k....... "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:rZednTGSUvXkMxXYnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > Paul wrote: >> jim beam wrote: >>> Paul wrote: >>>> First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally >>>> last for the life of the vehicle, >>> that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing >>> arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the >>> rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see >>> identical damage. >>> >> >> Also true, but the car is a 2000, i have seen hondas from the early >> 90's with no problems. >> > it depends on /which/ bushing. go to a junk yard and show me even one > single civic bushing as described that's not shot to bits. same goes for > rear motor mounts. only thing about the latter is that they're not as > easy to see. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
First you should understand the vehicle you are talking about. Second you
need to know the location the service is done as labor rates vary widely depending where it is done. Also we need to know if it was done by a dealer or not. The front motor mount on the odyssey is electronically controlled and the engine will rock some when doing the brakes on in/out of gear test leading the uninformed to thing it is bad. Also the Odyssey mounts are fluid filled and can spring a leak. If you think these prices are high wait till the transmission goes and on this van it is not if but when. Of coarse the lawsuit extended the warranty to 109k from 100k....... "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:rZednTGSUvXkMxXYnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > Paul wrote: >> jim beam wrote: >>> Paul wrote: >>>> First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally >>>> last for the life of the vehicle, >>> that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing >>> arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the >>> rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see >>> identical damage. >>> >> >> Also true, but the car is a 2000, i have seen hondas from the early >> 90's with no problems. >> > it depends on /which/ bushing. go to a junk yard and show me even one > single civic bushing as described that's not shot to bits. same goes for > rear motor mounts. only thing about the latter is that they're not as > easy to see. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
First you should understand the vehicle you are talking about. Second you
need to know the location the service is done as labor rates vary widely depending where it is done. Also we need to know if it was done by a dealer or not. The front motor mount on the odyssey is electronically controlled and the engine will rock some when doing the brakes on in/out of gear test leading the uninformed to thing it is bad. Also the Odyssey mounts are fluid filled and can spring a leak. If you think these prices are high wait till the transmission goes and on this van it is not if but when. Of coarse the lawsuit extended the warranty to 109k from 100k....... "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:rZednTGSUvXkMxXYnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > Paul wrote: >> jim beam wrote: >>> Paul wrote: >>>> First, I ask why you needed engine mounts replaced, these generally >>>> last for the life of the vehicle, >>> that's not true. rubber fatigues and breaks. check the rear trailing >>> arm bushing on any 1988-2000 civic to see what i mean. then check the >>> rear motor mount on the same vehicle [if you can see it] and you'll see >>> identical damage. >>> >> >> Also true, but the car is a 2000, i have seen hondas from the early >> 90's with no problems. >> > it depends on /which/ bushing. go to a junk yard and show me even one > single civic bushing as described that's not shot to bits. same goes for > rear motor mounts. only thing about the latter is that they're not as > easy to see. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
Woody wrote:
> If you think these prices are high wait till > the transmission goes and on this van it is not if but when. Shut up, troll!!! At least Honda did something about it, unlike Crapsler for example. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
Woody wrote:
> If you think these prices are high wait till > the transmission goes and on this van it is not if but when. Shut up, troll!!! At least Honda did something about it, unlike Crapsler for example. |
Re: Did I Get Hosed On My Odyssey Repairs???
Woody wrote:
> If you think these prices are high wait till > the transmission goes and on this van it is not if but when. Shut up, troll!!! At least Honda did something about it, unlike Crapsler for example. |
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