Did I ruin my engine?
09-09-2003, 06:15 PM
#16
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Re: Did I ruin my engine?
There are some new high-tech antifreezes out there that will literally
go 120,000 miles, some of the car manufacturers are using them.
You have to be careful, I believe these antifreezes are not compatible,
i.e. don't top-off with regular antifreeze.
In article
<billbjohnson555-0909031017020001@pm2-broad-150.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
> In article <Xns93F1721DB3BA2MyMessagesRock@151.164.30.93>, Ed
> <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
>
> > billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> > news:billbjohnson555-0809031315020001@pm3-broad-224.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> >
> > >
> > > I would advise you to take your car to a Honda dealership or radiator
> > > shop and have them flush your system and add new antifreeze. If your
> > > Honda is still under warranty--have the Honda dealership do it for you
> > > so it will be on your record in case problems develop on a later date
> > > related to the cooling system. You should have this done about every
> > > two years--check the maint. schedule that came with your vehicle. It's
> > > my guess that you did not do any damage to your system. In the future,
> > > just add water if the level is low. If it's really low--buy the
> > > anitfreeze at the Honda Dealership if that is the type of antifreeze
> > > that was used during the last flush.
> > >
> >
> > Thank you for the answer.
> >
> > The manual specifies changing the coolant every 120,000 miles or 10 years,
> > whichever comes first.
> >
> > The manual specifically discourages adding water only.
>
> Needless to say, I disagree with the manual. As you may know, all car
> companies are now making studpid recommendations regarding mait. on their
> vehicles. Many car companies, for example, suggest that the oil be changed
> every 10,000 miles and that the first tune-up should be done at 50,000
> miles. Those car companies want your car to develop major problems after
> about three years so that you will trade it in on a new car. That's
> alright for those that only plan to keep a new car for two or three years.
> However, for those people that plan to keep their cars for five or more
> years--you should use some common sense related to maint. schedules. For
> example, the oil and filter should be changed every 3000 miles and
> transmission fluid and raditor fluid should be changed every two years.
go 120,000 miles, some of the car manufacturers are using them.
You have to be careful, I believe these antifreezes are not compatible,
i.e. don't top-off with regular antifreeze.
In article
<billbjohnson555-0909031017020001@pm2-broad-150.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
> In article <Xns93F1721DB3BA2MyMessagesRock@151.164.30.93>, Ed
> <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
>
> > billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> > news:billbjohnson555-0809031315020001@pm3-broad-224.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> >
> > >
> > > I would advise you to take your car to a Honda dealership or radiator
> > > shop and have them flush your system and add new antifreeze. If your
> > > Honda is still under warranty--have the Honda dealership do it for you
> > > so it will be on your record in case problems develop on a later date
> > > related to the cooling system. You should have this done about every
> > > two years--check the maint. schedule that came with your vehicle. It's
> > > my guess that you did not do any damage to your system. In the future,
> > > just add water if the level is low. If it's really low--buy the
> > > anitfreeze at the Honda Dealership if that is the type of antifreeze
> > > that was used during the last flush.
> > >
> >
> > Thank you for the answer.
> >
> > The manual specifies changing the coolant every 120,000 miles or 10 years,
> > whichever comes first.
> >
> > The manual specifically discourages adding water only.
>
> Needless to say, I disagree with the manual. As you may know, all car
> companies are now making studpid recommendations regarding mait. on their
> vehicles. Many car companies, for example, suggest that the oil be changed
> every 10,000 miles and that the first tune-up should be done at 50,000
> miles. Those car companies want your car to develop major problems after
> about three years so that you will trade it in on a new car. That's
> alright for those that only plan to keep a new car for two or three years.
> However, for those people that plan to keep their cars for five or more
> years--you should use some common sense related to maint. schedules. For
> example, the oil and filter should be changed every 3000 miles and
> transmission fluid and raditor fluid should be changed every two years.
09-09-2003, 06:15 PM
#17
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Posts: n/a
Re: Did I ruin my engine?
There are some new high-tech antifreezes out there that will literally
go 120,000 miles, some of the car manufacturers are using them.
You have to be careful, I believe these antifreezes are not compatible,
i.e. don't top-off with regular antifreeze.
In article
<billbjohnson555-0909031017020001@pm2-broad-150.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
> In article <Xns93F1721DB3BA2MyMessagesRock@151.164.30.93>, Ed
> <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
>
> > billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> > news:billbjohnson555-0809031315020001@pm3-broad-224.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> >
> > >
> > > I would advise you to take your car to a Honda dealership or radiator
> > > shop and have them flush your system and add new antifreeze. If your
> > > Honda is still under warranty--have the Honda dealership do it for you
> > > so it will be on your record in case problems develop on a later date
> > > related to the cooling system. You should have this done about every
> > > two years--check the maint. schedule that came with your vehicle. It's
> > > my guess that you did not do any damage to your system. In the future,
> > > just add water if the level is low. If it's really low--buy the
> > > anitfreeze at the Honda Dealership if that is the type of antifreeze
> > > that was used during the last flush.
> > >
> >
> > Thank you for the answer.
> >
> > The manual specifies changing the coolant every 120,000 miles or 10 years,
> > whichever comes first.
> >
> > The manual specifically discourages adding water only.
>
> Needless to say, I disagree with the manual. As you may know, all car
> companies are now making studpid recommendations regarding mait. on their
> vehicles. Many car companies, for example, suggest that the oil be changed
> every 10,000 miles and that the first tune-up should be done at 50,000
> miles. Those car companies want your car to develop major problems after
> about three years so that you will trade it in on a new car. That's
> alright for those that only plan to keep a new car for two or three years.
> However, for those people that plan to keep their cars for five or more
> years--you should use some common sense related to maint. schedules. For
> example, the oil and filter should be changed every 3000 miles and
> transmission fluid and raditor fluid should be changed every two years.
go 120,000 miles, some of the car manufacturers are using them.
You have to be careful, I believe these antifreezes are not compatible,
i.e. don't top-off with regular antifreeze.
In article
<billbjohnson555-0909031017020001@pm2-broad-150.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
> In article <Xns93F1721DB3BA2MyMessagesRock@151.164.30.93>, Ed
> <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
>
> > billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> > news:billbjohnson555-0809031315020001@pm3-broad-224.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> >
> > >
> > > I would advise you to take your car to a Honda dealership or radiator
> > > shop and have them flush your system and add new antifreeze. If your
> > > Honda is still under warranty--have the Honda dealership do it for you
> > > so it will be on your record in case problems develop on a later date
> > > related to the cooling system. You should have this done about every
> > > two years--check the maint. schedule that came with your vehicle. It's
> > > my guess that you did not do any damage to your system. In the future,
> > > just add water if the level is low. If it's really low--buy the
> > > anitfreeze at the Honda Dealership if that is the type of antifreeze
> > > that was used during the last flush.
> > >
> >
> > Thank you for the answer.
> >
> > The manual specifies changing the coolant every 120,000 miles or 10 years,
> > whichever comes first.
> >
> > The manual specifically discourages adding water only.
>
> Needless to say, I disagree with the manual. As you may know, all car
> companies are now making studpid recommendations regarding mait. on their
> vehicles. Many car companies, for example, suggest that the oil be changed
> every 10,000 miles and that the first tune-up should be done at 50,000
> miles. Those car companies want your car to develop major problems after
> about three years so that you will trade it in on a new car. That's
> alright for those that only plan to keep a new car for two or three years.
> However, for those people that plan to keep their cars for five or more
> years--you should use some common sense related to maint. schedules. For
> example, the oil and filter should be changed every 3000 miles and
> transmission fluid and raditor fluid should be changed every two years.
09-11-2003, 03:25 PM
#18
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Re: Did I ruin my engine?
In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
<e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
> On 9/9/03 11:14 AM, in article Xns93F1721DB3BA2MyMessagesRock@151.164.30.93,
> "Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
>
> > billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> > news:billbjohnson555-0809031315020001@pm3-broad-224.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> >
> >>
> >> I would advise you to take your car to a Honda dealership or radiator
> >> shop and have them flush your system and add new antifreeze. If your
> >> Honda is still under warranty--have the Honda dealership do it for you
> >> so it will be on your record in case problems develop on a later date
> >> related to the cooling system. You should have this done about every
> >> two years--check the maint. schedule that came with your vehicle. It's
> >> my guess that you did not do any damage to your system. In the future,
> >> just add water if the level is low. If it's really low--buy the
> >> anitfreeze at the Honda Dealership if that is the type of antifreeze
> >> that was used during the last flush.
> >>
> >
> > Thank you for the answer.
> >
> > The manual specifies changing the coolant every 120,000 miles or 10 years,
> > whichever comes first.
> >
> > The manual specifically discourages adding water only.
>
> Are you sure about that? My '96 Odyssey and my '00 Acura TL both say change
> it first at 45,000 miles, then every 30,000 after that. I have to wonder
> what changed that Honda would suddenly change that recommendation to 120000
> miles.
I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped to
handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason is that
transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can get past the
filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission fluid is changed
every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of metal particles and
other particles that got past the filter could do some serious damage to
the transmission. I feel the same way about those companies that produce
oil that they say needs to be changed after 10,000 miles--the oil might be
great but the particles in the oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
<e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
> On 9/9/03 11:14 AM, in article Xns93F1721DB3BA2MyMessagesRock@151.164.30.93,
> "Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
>
> > billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> > news:billbjohnson555-0809031315020001@pm3-broad-224.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> >
> >>
> >> I would advise you to take your car to a Honda dealership or radiator
> >> shop and have them flush your system and add new antifreeze. If your
> >> Honda is still under warranty--have the Honda dealership do it for you
> >> so it will be on your record in case problems develop on a later date
> >> related to the cooling system. You should have this done about every
> >> two years--check the maint. schedule that came with your vehicle. It's
> >> my guess that you did not do any damage to your system. In the future,
> >> just add water if the level is low. If it's really low--buy the
> >> anitfreeze at the Honda Dealership if that is the type of antifreeze
> >> that was used during the last flush.
> >>
> >
> > Thank you for the answer.
> >
> > The manual specifies changing the coolant every 120,000 miles or 10 years,
> > whichever comes first.
> >
> > The manual specifically discourages adding water only.
>
> Are you sure about that? My '96 Odyssey and my '00 Acura TL both say change
> it first at 45,000 miles, then every 30,000 after that. I have to wonder
> what changed that Honda would suddenly change that recommendation to 120000
> miles.
I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped to
handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason is that
transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can get past the
filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission fluid is changed
every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of metal particles and
other particles that got past the filter could do some serious damage to
the transmission. I feel the same way about those companies that produce
oil that they say needs to be changed after 10,000 miles--the oil might be
great but the particles in the oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
09-11-2003, 03:25 PM
#19
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Re: Did I ruin my engine?
In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
<e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
> On 9/9/03 11:14 AM, in article Xns93F1721DB3BA2MyMessagesRock@151.164.30.93,
> "Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
>
> > billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> > news:billbjohnson555-0809031315020001@pm3-broad-224.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> >
> >>
> >> I would advise you to take your car to a Honda dealership or radiator
> >> shop and have them flush your system and add new antifreeze. If your
> >> Honda is still under warranty--have the Honda dealership do it for you
> >> so it will be on your record in case problems develop on a later date
> >> related to the cooling system. You should have this done about every
> >> two years--check the maint. schedule that came with your vehicle. It's
> >> my guess that you did not do any damage to your system. In the future,
> >> just add water if the level is low. If it's really low--buy the
> >> anitfreeze at the Honda Dealership if that is the type of antifreeze
> >> that was used during the last flush.
> >>
> >
> > Thank you for the answer.
> >
> > The manual specifies changing the coolant every 120,000 miles or 10 years,
> > whichever comes first.
> >
> > The manual specifically discourages adding water only.
>
> Are you sure about that? My '96 Odyssey and my '00 Acura TL both say change
> it first at 45,000 miles, then every 30,000 after that. I have to wonder
> what changed that Honda would suddenly change that recommendation to 120000
> miles.
I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped to
handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason is that
transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can get past the
filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission fluid is changed
every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of metal particles and
other particles that got past the filter could do some serious damage to
the transmission. I feel the same way about those companies that produce
oil that they say needs to be changed after 10,000 miles--the oil might be
great but the particles in the oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
<e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
> On 9/9/03 11:14 AM, in article Xns93F1721DB3BA2MyMessagesRock@151.164.30.93,
> "Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
>
> > billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> > news:billbjohnson555-0809031315020001@pm3-broad-224.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> >
> >>
> >> I would advise you to take your car to a Honda dealership or radiator
> >> shop and have them flush your system and add new antifreeze. If your
> >> Honda is still under warranty--have the Honda dealership do it for you
> >> so it will be on your record in case problems develop on a later date
> >> related to the cooling system. You should have this done about every
> >> two years--check the maint. schedule that came with your vehicle. It's
> >> my guess that you did not do any damage to your system. In the future,
> >> just add water if the level is low. If it's really low--buy the
> >> anitfreeze at the Honda Dealership if that is the type of antifreeze
> >> that was used during the last flush.
> >>
> >
> > Thank you for the answer.
> >
> > The manual specifies changing the coolant every 120,000 miles or 10 years,
> > whichever comes first.
> >
> > The manual specifically discourages adding water only.
>
> Are you sure about that? My '96 Odyssey and my '00 Acura TL both say change
> it first at 45,000 miles, then every 30,000 after that. I have to wonder
> what changed that Honda would suddenly change that recommendation to 120000
> miles.
I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped to
handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason is that
transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can get past the
filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission fluid is changed
every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of metal particles and
other particles that got past the filter could do some serious damage to
the transmission. I feel the same way about those companies that produce
oil that they say needs to be changed after 10,000 miles--the oil might be
great but the particles in the oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
09-11-2003, 03:25 PM
#20
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Re: Did I ruin my engine?
In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
<e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
> On 9/9/03 11:14 AM, in article Xns93F1721DB3BA2MyMessagesRock@151.164.30.93,
> "Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
>
> > billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> > news:billbjohnson555-0809031315020001@pm3-broad-224.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> >
> >>
> >> I would advise you to take your car to a Honda dealership or radiator
> >> shop and have them flush your system and add new antifreeze. If your
> >> Honda is still under warranty--have the Honda dealership do it for you
> >> so it will be on your record in case problems develop on a later date
> >> related to the cooling system. You should have this done about every
> >> two years--check the maint. schedule that came with your vehicle. It's
> >> my guess that you did not do any damage to your system. In the future,
> >> just add water if the level is low. If it's really low--buy the
> >> anitfreeze at the Honda Dealership if that is the type of antifreeze
> >> that was used during the last flush.
> >>
> >
> > Thank you for the answer.
> >
> > The manual specifies changing the coolant every 120,000 miles or 10 years,
> > whichever comes first.
> >
> > The manual specifically discourages adding water only.
>
> Are you sure about that? My '96 Odyssey and my '00 Acura TL both say change
> it first at 45,000 miles, then every 30,000 after that. I have to wonder
> what changed that Honda would suddenly change that recommendation to 120000
> miles.
I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped to
handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason is that
transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can get past the
filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission fluid is changed
every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of metal particles and
other particles that got past the filter could do some serious damage to
the transmission. I feel the same way about those companies that produce
oil that they say needs to be changed after 10,000 miles--the oil might be
great but the particles in the oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
<e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
> On 9/9/03 11:14 AM, in article Xns93F1721DB3BA2MyMessagesRock@151.164.30.93,
> "Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
>
> > billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> > news:billbjohnson555-0809031315020001@pm3-broad-224.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> >
> >>
> >> I would advise you to take your car to a Honda dealership or radiator
> >> shop and have them flush your system and add new antifreeze. If your
> >> Honda is still under warranty--have the Honda dealership do it for you
> >> so it will be on your record in case problems develop on a later date
> >> related to the cooling system. You should have this done about every
> >> two years--check the maint. schedule that came with your vehicle. It's
> >> my guess that you did not do any damage to your system. In the future,
> >> just add water if the level is low. If it's really low--buy the
> >> anitfreeze at the Honda Dealership if that is the type of antifreeze
> >> that was used during the last flush.
> >>
> >
> > Thank you for the answer.
> >
> > The manual specifies changing the coolant every 120,000 miles or 10 years,
> > whichever comes first.
> >
> > The manual specifically discourages adding water only.
>
> Are you sure about that? My '96 Odyssey and my '00 Acura TL both say change
> it first at 45,000 miles, then every 30,000 after that. I have to wonder
> what changed that Honda would suddenly change that recommendation to 120000
> miles.
I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped to
handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason is that
transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can get past the
filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission fluid is changed
every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of metal particles and
other particles that got past the filter could do some serious damage to
the transmission. I feel the same way about those companies that produce
oil that they say needs to be changed after 10,000 miles--the oil might be
great but the particles in the oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
09-11-2003, 06:00 PM
#21
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Re: Did I ruin my engine?
billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
news:billbjohnson555-1109031225210001@pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
> <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
> I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
> before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped
> to handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason
> is that transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can
> get past the filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission
> fluid is changed every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of
> metal particles and other particles that got past the filter could do
> some serious damage to the transmission. I feel the same way about
> those companies that produce oil that they say needs to be changed
> after 10,000 miles--the oil might be great but the particles in the
> oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
>
OK I am confused here - what does the transmission fluid have to do with
the engine coolant? Does the coolant pick up metal debris as well?
news:billbjohnson555-1109031225210001@pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
> <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
> I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
> before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped
> to handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason
> is that transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can
> get past the filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission
> fluid is changed every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of
> metal particles and other particles that got past the filter could do
> some serious damage to the transmission. I feel the same way about
> those companies that produce oil that they say needs to be changed
> after 10,000 miles--the oil might be great but the particles in the
> oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
>
OK I am confused here - what does the transmission fluid have to do with
the engine coolant? Does the coolant pick up metal debris as well?
09-11-2003, 06:00 PM
#22
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Re: Did I ruin my engine?
billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
news:billbjohnson555-1109031225210001@pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
> <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
> I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
> before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped
> to handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason
> is that transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can
> get past the filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission
> fluid is changed every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of
> metal particles and other particles that got past the filter could do
> some serious damage to the transmission. I feel the same way about
> those companies that produce oil that they say needs to be changed
> after 10,000 miles--the oil might be great but the particles in the
> oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
>
OK I am confused here - what does the transmission fluid have to do with
the engine coolant? Does the coolant pick up metal debris as well?
news:billbjohnson555-1109031225210001@pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
> <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
> I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
> before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped
> to handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason
> is that transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can
> get past the filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission
> fluid is changed every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of
> metal particles and other particles that got past the filter could do
> some serious damage to the transmission. I feel the same way about
> those companies that produce oil that they say needs to be changed
> after 10,000 miles--the oil might be great but the particles in the
> oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
>
OK I am confused here - what does the transmission fluid have to do with
the engine coolant? Does the coolant pick up metal debris as well?
09-11-2003, 06:00 PM
#23
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Re: Did I ruin my engine?
billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
news:billbjohnson555-1109031225210001@pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
> <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
> I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
> before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped
> to handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason
> is that transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can
> get past the filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission
> fluid is changed every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of
> metal particles and other particles that got past the filter could do
> some serious damage to the transmission. I feel the same way about
> those companies that produce oil that they say needs to be changed
> after 10,000 miles--the oil might be great but the particles in the
> oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
>
OK I am confused here - what does the transmission fluid have to do with
the engine coolant? Does the coolant pick up metal debris as well?
news:billbjohnson555-1109031225210001@pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
> In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
> <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
> I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
> before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped
> to handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason
> is that transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can
> get past the filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission
> fluid is changed every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of
> metal particles and other particles that got past the filter could do
> some serious damage to the transmission. I feel the same way about
> those companies that produce oil that they say needs to be changed
> after 10,000 miles--the oil might be great but the particles in the
> oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
>
OK I am confused here - what does the transmission fluid have to do with
the engine coolant? Does the coolant pick up metal debris as well?
09-12-2003, 10:12 AM
#24
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Posts: n/a
Re: Did I ruin my engine?
On 9/11/03 5:00 PM, in article Xns93F3AC9655EB2MyMessagesRock@151.164.30.94,
"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
> billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> news:billbjohnson555-1109031225210001@pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
>
>> In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
>> <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
>> before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped
>> to handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason
>> is that transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can
>> get past the filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission
>> fluid is changed every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of
>> metal particles and other particles that got past the filter could do
>> some serious damage to the transmission. I feel the same way about
>> those companies that produce oil that they say needs to be changed
>> after 10,000 miles--the oil might be great but the particles in the
>> oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
>>
>
> OK I am confused here - what does the transmission fluid have to do with
> the engine coolant? Does the coolant pick up metal debris as well?
>
Somehow the attributions in this clipping have gotten corrupted. I did not
write that. Your supposition is correct - there is nothing in common with
transmission fluid and antifreeze. They do not meet or mix anywhere in the
engine. If they ever do, you would have big problems.
Also, Honda transmissions do not have a filter like conventional automatics.
They do have a magnetic drain plug to capture small metal shavings. But
this has nothing to do with antifreeze. If metal particles started showing
up in the antifreeze, that would indicate big problems - probably a
disintegrating water pump.
Honda recommends/requires silicate free anti-freeze, specifically their own
in-house brand. Sometimes this get confused with the GM dexcool stuff. It
is not the same.
My question was: What has changed that Honda is now recommending 120000 mile
change interval?
"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
> billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> news:billbjohnson555-1109031225210001@pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
>
>> In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
>> <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
>> before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped
>> to handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason
>> is that transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can
>> get past the filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission
>> fluid is changed every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of
>> metal particles and other particles that got past the filter could do
>> some serious damage to the transmission. I feel the same way about
>> those companies that produce oil that they say needs to be changed
>> after 10,000 miles--the oil might be great but the particles in the
>> oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
>>
>
> OK I am confused here - what does the transmission fluid have to do with
> the engine coolant? Does the coolant pick up metal debris as well?
>
Somehow the attributions in this clipping have gotten corrupted. I did not
write that. Your supposition is correct - there is nothing in common with
transmission fluid and antifreeze. They do not meet or mix anywhere in the
engine. If they ever do, you would have big problems.
Also, Honda transmissions do not have a filter like conventional automatics.
They do have a magnetic drain plug to capture small metal shavings. But
this has nothing to do with antifreeze. If metal particles started showing
up in the antifreeze, that would indicate big problems - probably a
disintegrating water pump.
Honda recommends/requires silicate free anti-freeze, specifically their own
in-house brand. Sometimes this get confused with the GM dexcool stuff. It
is not the same.
My question was: What has changed that Honda is now recommending 120000 mile
change interval?
09-12-2003, 10:12 AM
#25
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Posts: n/a
Re: Did I ruin my engine?
On 9/11/03 5:00 PM, in article Xns93F3AC9655EB2MyMessagesRock@151.164.30.94,
"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
> billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> news:billbjohnson555-1109031225210001@pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
>
>> In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
>> <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
>> before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped
>> to handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason
>> is that transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can
>> get past the filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission
>> fluid is changed every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of
>> metal particles and other particles that got past the filter could do
>> some serious damage to the transmission. I feel the same way about
>> those companies that produce oil that they say needs to be changed
>> after 10,000 miles--the oil might be great but the particles in the
>> oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
>>
>
> OK I am confused here - what does the transmission fluid have to do with
> the engine coolant? Does the coolant pick up metal debris as well?
>
Somehow the attributions in this clipping have gotten corrupted. I did not
write that. Your supposition is correct - there is nothing in common with
transmission fluid and antifreeze. They do not meet or mix anywhere in the
engine. If they ever do, you would have big problems.
Also, Honda transmissions do not have a filter like conventional automatics.
They do have a magnetic drain plug to capture small metal shavings. But
this has nothing to do with antifreeze. If metal particles started showing
up in the antifreeze, that would indicate big problems - probably a
disintegrating water pump.
Honda recommends/requires silicate free anti-freeze, specifically their own
in-house brand. Sometimes this get confused with the GM dexcool stuff. It
is not the same.
My question was: What has changed that Honda is now recommending 120000 mile
change interval?
"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
> billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> news:billbjohnson555-1109031225210001@pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
>
>> In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
>> <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
>> before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped
>> to handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason
>> is that transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can
>> get past the filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission
>> fluid is changed every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of
>> metal particles and other particles that got past the filter could do
>> some serious damage to the transmission. I feel the same way about
>> those companies that produce oil that they say needs to be changed
>> after 10,000 miles--the oil might be great but the particles in the
>> oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
>>
>
> OK I am confused here - what does the transmission fluid have to do with
> the engine coolant? Does the coolant pick up metal debris as well?
>
Somehow the attributions in this clipping have gotten corrupted. I did not
write that. Your supposition is correct - there is nothing in common with
transmission fluid and antifreeze. They do not meet or mix anywhere in the
engine. If they ever do, you would have big problems.
Also, Honda transmissions do not have a filter like conventional automatics.
They do have a magnetic drain plug to capture small metal shavings. But
this has nothing to do with antifreeze. If metal particles started showing
up in the antifreeze, that would indicate big problems - probably a
disintegrating water pump.
Honda recommends/requires silicate free anti-freeze, specifically their own
in-house brand. Sometimes this get confused with the GM dexcool stuff. It
is not the same.
My question was: What has changed that Honda is now recommending 120000 mile
change interval?
09-12-2003, 10:12 AM
#26
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Posts: n/a
Re: Did I ruin my engine?
On 9/11/03 5:00 PM, in article Xns93F3AC9655EB2MyMessagesRock@151.164.30.94,
"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
> billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> news:billbjohnson555-1109031225210001@pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
>
>> In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
>> <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
>> before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped
>> to handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason
>> is that transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can
>> get past the filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission
>> fluid is changed every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of
>> metal particles and other particles that got past the filter could do
>> some serious damage to the transmission. I feel the same way about
>> those companies that produce oil that they say needs to be changed
>> after 10,000 miles--the oil might be great but the particles in the
>> oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
>>
>
> OK I am confused here - what does the transmission fluid have to do with
> the engine coolant? Does the coolant pick up metal debris as well?
>
Somehow the attributions in this clipping have gotten corrupted. I did not
write that. Your supposition is correct - there is nothing in common with
transmission fluid and antifreeze. They do not meet or mix anywhere in the
engine. If they ever do, you would have big problems.
Also, Honda transmissions do not have a filter like conventional automatics.
They do have a magnetic drain plug to capture small metal shavings. But
this has nothing to do with antifreeze. If metal particles started showing
up in the antifreeze, that would indicate big problems - probably a
disintegrating water pump.
Honda recommends/requires silicate free anti-freeze, specifically their own
in-house brand. Sometimes this get confused with the GM dexcool stuff. It
is not the same.
My question was: What has changed that Honda is now recommending 120000 mile
change interval?
"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
> billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> news:billbjohnson555-1109031225210001@pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
>
>> In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
>> <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
>> before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped
>> to handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason
>> is that transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can
>> get past the filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission
>> fluid is changed every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of
>> metal particles and other particles that got past the filter could do
>> some serious damage to the transmission. I feel the same way about
>> those companies that produce oil that they say needs to be changed
>> after 10,000 miles--the oil might be great but the particles in the
>> oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
>>
>
> OK I am confused here - what does the transmission fluid have to do with
> the engine coolant? Does the coolant pick up metal debris as well?
>
Somehow the attributions in this clipping have gotten corrupted. I did not
write that. Your supposition is correct - there is nothing in common with
transmission fluid and antifreeze. They do not meet or mix anywhere in the
engine. If they ever do, you would have big problems.
Also, Honda transmissions do not have a filter like conventional automatics.
They do have a magnetic drain plug to capture small metal shavings. But
this has nothing to do with antifreeze. If metal particles started showing
up in the antifreeze, that would indicate big problems - probably a
disintegrating water pump.
Honda recommends/requires silicate free anti-freeze, specifically their own
in-house brand. Sometimes this get confused with the GM dexcool stuff. It
is not the same.
My question was: What has changed that Honda is now recommending 120000 mile
change interval?
09-12-2003, 12:41 PM
#27
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Re: Did I ruin my engine?
"E. Meyer" <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote in
news:BB873E94.13256%e.meyer@ieee.org:
> Somehow the attributions in this clipping have gotten corrupted. I
> did not write that. Your supposition is correct - there is nothing in
> common with transmission fluid and antifreeze. They do not meet or
> mix anywhere in the engine. If they ever do, you would have big
> problems.
>
> Also, Honda transmissions do not have a filter like conventional
> automatics. They do have a magnetic drain plug to capture small metal
> shavings. But this has nothing to do with antifreeze. If metal
> particles started showing up in the antifreeze, that would indicate
> big problems - probably a disintegrating water pump.
>
> Honda recommends/requires silicate free anti-freeze, specifically
> their own in-house brand. Sometimes this get confused with the GM
> dexcool stuff. It is not the same.
>
> My question was: What has changed that Honda is now recommending
> 120000 mile change interval?
>
>
>
It is nothing new. All 2001 Accords specify a 120,000/10 year interval, the
same for severe conditions.
The Honda dealership tried to sell me on a 45,000 mile interval, but I
think they were confusing it with the Odyssey.
Most people will replace the water pump at 7 years (with the timing belt),
at which time they will replace the coolant too.
By that time, of course, the car is not covered by any warranty so you're
on your own.
I think I will replace it at 45,000 miles or 3.5 years, then again at 7
years with the new water pump.
news:BB873E94.13256%e.meyer@ieee.org:
> Somehow the attributions in this clipping have gotten corrupted. I
> did not write that. Your supposition is correct - there is nothing in
> common with transmission fluid and antifreeze. They do not meet or
> mix anywhere in the engine. If they ever do, you would have big
> problems.
>
> Also, Honda transmissions do not have a filter like conventional
> automatics. They do have a magnetic drain plug to capture small metal
> shavings. But this has nothing to do with antifreeze. If metal
> particles started showing up in the antifreeze, that would indicate
> big problems - probably a disintegrating water pump.
>
> Honda recommends/requires silicate free anti-freeze, specifically
> their own in-house brand. Sometimes this get confused with the GM
> dexcool stuff. It is not the same.
>
> My question was: What has changed that Honda is now recommending
> 120000 mile change interval?
>
>
>
It is nothing new. All 2001 Accords specify a 120,000/10 year interval, the
same for severe conditions.
The Honda dealership tried to sell me on a 45,000 mile interval, but I
think they were confusing it with the Odyssey.
Most people will replace the water pump at 7 years (with the timing belt),
at which time they will replace the coolant too.
By that time, of course, the car is not covered by any warranty so you're
on your own.
I think I will replace it at 45,000 miles or 3.5 years, then again at 7
years with the new water pump.
09-12-2003, 12:41 PM
#28
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Re: Did I ruin my engine?
"E. Meyer" <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote in
news:BB873E94.13256%e.meyer@ieee.org:
> Somehow the attributions in this clipping have gotten corrupted. I
> did not write that. Your supposition is correct - there is nothing in
> common with transmission fluid and antifreeze. They do not meet or
> mix anywhere in the engine. If they ever do, you would have big
> problems.
>
> Also, Honda transmissions do not have a filter like conventional
> automatics. They do have a magnetic drain plug to capture small metal
> shavings. But this has nothing to do with antifreeze. If metal
> particles started showing up in the antifreeze, that would indicate
> big problems - probably a disintegrating water pump.
>
> Honda recommends/requires silicate free anti-freeze, specifically
> their own in-house brand. Sometimes this get confused with the GM
> dexcool stuff. It is not the same.
>
> My question was: What has changed that Honda is now recommending
> 120000 mile change interval?
>
>
>
It is nothing new. All 2001 Accords specify a 120,000/10 year interval, the
same for severe conditions.
The Honda dealership tried to sell me on a 45,000 mile interval, but I
think they were confusing it with the Odyssey.
Most people will replace the water pump at 7 years (with the timing belt),
at which time they will replace the coolant too.
By that time, of course, the car is not covered by any warranty so you're
on your own.
I think I will replace it at 45,000 miles or 3.5 years, then again at 7
years with the new water pump.
news:BB873E94.13256%e.meyer@ieee.org:
> Somehow the attributions in this clipping have gotten corrupted. I
> did not write that. Your supposition is correct - there is nothing in
> common with transmission fluid and antifreeze. They do not meet or
> mix anywhere in the engine. If they ever do, you would have big
> problems.
>
> Also, Honda transmissions do not have a filter like conventional
> automatics. They do have a magnetic drain plug to capture small metal
> shavings. But this has nothing to do with antifreeze. If metal
> particles started showing up in the antifreeze, that would indicate
> big problems - probably a disintegrating water pump.
>
> Honda recommends/requires silicate free anti-freeze, specifically
> their own in-house brand. Sometimes this get confused with the GM
> dexcool stuff. It is not the same.
>
> My question was: What has changed that Honda is now recommending
> 120000 mile change interval?
>
>
>
It is nothing new. All 2001 Accords specify a 120,000/10 year interval, the
same for severe conditions.
The Honda dealership tried to sell me on a 45,000 mile interval, but I
think they were confusing it with the Odyssey.
Most people will replace the water pump at 7 years (with the timing belt),
at which time they will replace the coolant too.
By that time, of course, the car is not covered by any warranty so you're
on your own.
I think I will replace it at 45,000 miles or 3.5 years, then again at 7
years with the new water pump.
09-12-2003, 12:41 PM
#29
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Posts: n/a
Re: Did I ruin my engine?
"E. Meyer" <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote in
news:BB873E94.13256%e.meyer@ieee.org:
> Somehow the attributions in this clipping have gotten corrupted. I
> did not write that. Your supposition is correct - there is nothing in
> common with transmission fluid and antifreeze. They do not meet or
> mix anywhere in the engine. If they ever do, you would have big
> problems.
>
> Also, Honda transmissions do not have a filter like conventional
> automatics. They do have a magnetic drain plug to capture small metal
> shavings. But this has nothing to do with antifreeze. If metal
> particles started showing up in the antifreeze, that would indicate
> big problems - probably a disintegrating water pump.
>
> Honda recommends/requires silicate free anti-freeze, specifically
> their own in-house brand. Sometimes this get confused with the GM
> dexcool stuff. It is not the same.
>
> My question was: What has changed that Honda is now recommending
> 120000 mile change interval?
>
>
>
It is nothing new. All 2001 Accords specify a 120,000/10 year interval, the
same for severe conditions.
The Honda dealership tried to sell me on a 45,000 mile interval, but I
think they were confusing it with the Odyssey.
Most people will replace the water pump at 7 years (with the timing belt),
at which time they will replace the coolant too.
By that time, of course, the car is not covered by any warranty so you're
on your own.
I think I will replace it at 45,000 miles or 3.5 years, then again at 7
years with the new water pump.
news:BB873E94.13256%e.meyer@ieee.org:
> Somehow the attributions in this clipping have gotten corrupted. I
> did not write that. Your supposition is correct - there is nothing in
> common with transmission fluid and antifreeze. They do not meet or
> mix anywhere in the engine. If they ever do, you would have big
> problems.
>
> Also, Honda transmissions do not have a filter like conventional
> automatics. They do have a magnetic drain plug to capture small metal
> shavings. But this has nothing to do with antifreeze. If metal
> particles started showing up in the antifreeze, that would indicate
> big problems - probably a disintegrating water pump.
>
> Honda recommends/requires silicate free anti-freeze, specifically
> their own in-house brand. Sometimes this get confused with the GM
> dexcool stuff. It is not the same.
>
> My question was: What has changed that Honda is now recommending
> 120000 mile change interval?
>
>
>
It is nothing new. All 2001 Accords specify a 120,000/10 year interval, the
same for severe conditions.
The Honda dealership tried to sell me on a 45,000 mile interval, but I
think they were confusing it with the Odyssey.
Most people will replace the water pump at 7 years (with the timing belt),
at which time they will replace the coolant too.
By that time, of course, the car is not covered by any warranty so you're
on your own.
I think I will replace it at 45,000 miles or 3.5 years, then again at 7
years with the new water pump.
09-13-2003, 05:50 PM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Did I ruin my engine?
In article <Xns93F3AC9655EB2MyMessagesRock@151.164.30.94>, Ed
<do.not@spam.me> wrote:
> billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> news:billbjohnson555-1109031225210001@pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
>
> > In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
> > <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
> > before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped
> > to handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason
> > is that transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can
> > get past the filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission
> > fluid is changed every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of
> > metal particles and other particles that got past the filter could do
> > some serious damage to the transmission. I feel the same way about
> > those companies that produce oil that they say needs to be changed
> > after 10,000 miles--the oil might be great but the particles in the
> > oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
> >
>
> OK I am confused here - what does the transmission fluid have to do with
> the engine coolant? Does the coolant pick up metal debris as well?
You are not confused. It was my mistake. I read two posts and had both of
them in my mind when I responded. Sorry about that.
<do.not@spam.me> wrote:
> billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote in
> news:billbjohnson555-1109031225210001@pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net:
>
> > In article <BB8398FD.122CD%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
> > <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I would not use the antifreeze that allows your car to go 120000 miles
> > before you have to change it unless it came inside a new car equiped
> > to handle it. Even then--I would change it within 2 years. The reason
> > is that transmission fluid picks up lots of metal particles that can
> > get past the filter. This is not a problem as long as the transmission
> > fluid is changed every two years. After 100,000 miles the number of
> > metal particles and other particles that got past the filter could do
> > some serious damage to the transmission. I feel the same way about
> > those companies that produce oil that they say needs to be changed
> > after 10,000 miles--the oil might be great but the particles in the
> > oil and transmission fluid are the problem.
> >
>
> OK I am confused here - what does the transmission fluid have to do with
> the engine coolant? Does the coolant pick up metal debris as well?
You are not confused. It was my mistake. I read two posts and had both of
them in my mind when I responded. Sorry about that.
