Re: Element
 

"MOS 1369" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message
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> >Bob, most people lack intelligence to provide responses one can use.
>
> That's a little harsh I think
>
>
>
> No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
> unsubstantiated types. When someone asks a rather simple question, they
> don't get an honest answer.

I don't think that necessarily implies either a lack of intelligence or
honestly.

Just an absence of fear of critique.

Re: Element
 

"MOS 1369" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message
news:jQm%b.8569$ax2.8372@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> >Bob, most people lack intelligence to provide responses one can use.
>
> That's a little harsh I think
>
>
>
> No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
> unsubstantiated types. When someone asks a rather simple question, they
> don't get an honest answer.

I don't think that necessarily implies either a lack of intelligence or
honestly.

Just an absence of fear of critique.

Re: Element
 

> No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
> unsubstantiated types. When someone asks a rather simple question, they
> don't get an honest answer.

I don't think that necessarily implies either a lack of intelligence or
honestly.

Just an absence of fear of critique.



It does! Rudeness and those opiniated, are displaying their ignorance for
the most part. I find that a number of people will give straight informative
answers to those who ask questions. In the beginning of Usenet there was
always a healthy and energetic exchange of ideas and opinions. Since the
dawn of the "Information Highway" it just opened the door to the drunk and
hopeless drivers with the lack of information. Since they can not add
intelligent dialogue they dribble from the sides of their mouths..... more
so now then ever before.

The Simple Question "The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost
SUV.Any feedback about it.?"

The Answers:
> I thought so too until I got inside one.
> I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.

Obvious disinformation! I fit fine as well as my wife, and I'm much larger
then this guy. They used to call me "legs"

> Bob,
> Don't buy it. For many reasons, The Pilot and CR-V are much better
> vehicles. The Element was poorly designed and was made as cheaply as
> possible to keep the price down. It was made by Honda to compete with
> Toyota's Scion xb which is also poorly designed. The Element is a very
> high profile vehicle and shares the problem that many high profile
> vehicles share.

For the most part, I would state that the Pilot and CR-V are not better,
just more luxury comfortable.
Poorly designed? I think not! Most of the mechanics built on the CR-V so
another ignorant opinion.
Compete with Scion.....; Duh! How could he even compare the Element to the
Scion.....
and it does have a high physical profile, but once more a lack of knowledge
about physics and centers of gravity prevail.

I think both imply a lack of intelligence and honesty!

Re: Element
 

> No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
> unsubstantiated types. When someone asks a rather simple question, they
> don't get an honest answer.

I don't think that necessarily implies either a lack of intelligence or
honestly.

Just an absence of fear of critique.



It does! Rudeness and those opiniated, are displaying their ignorance for
the most part. I find that a number of people will give straight informative
answers to those who ask questions. In the beginning of Usenet there was
always a healthy and energetic exchange of ideas and opinions. Since the
dawn of the "Information Highway" it just opened the door to the drunk and
hopeless drivers with the lack of information. Since they can not add
intelligent dialogue they dribble from the sides of their mouths..... more
so now then ever before.

The Simple Question "The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost
SUV.Any feedback about it.?"

The Answers:
> I thought so too until I got inside one.
> I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.

Obvious disinformation! I fit fine as well as my wife, and I'm much larger
then this guy. They used to call me "legs"

> Bob,
> Don't buy it. For many reasons, The Pilot and CR-V are much better
> vehicles. The Element was poorly designed and was made as cheaply as
> possible to keep the price down. It was made by Honda to compete with
> Toyota's Scion xb which is also poorly designed. The Element is a very
> high profile vehicle and shares the problem that many high profile
> vehicles share.

For the most part, I would state that the Pilot and CR-V are not better,
just more luxury comfortable.
Poorly designed? I think not! Most of the mechanics built on the CR-V so
another ignorant opinion.
Compete with Scion.....; Duh! How could he even compare the Element to the
Scion.....
and it does have a high physical profile, but once more a lack of knowledge
about physics and centers of gravity prevail.

I think both imply a lack of intelligence and honesty!

Re: Element
 

> No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
> unsubstantiated types. When someone asks a rather simple question, they
> don't get an honest answer.

I don't think that necessarily implies either a lack of intelligence or
honestly.

Just an absence of fear of critique.



It does! Rudeness and those opiniated, are displaying their ignorance for
the most part. I find that a number of people will give straight informative
answers to those who ask questions. In the beginning of Usenet there was
always a healthy and energetic exchange of ideas and opinions. Since the
dawn of the "Information Highway" it just opened the door to the drunk and
hopeless drivers with the lack of information. Since they can not add
intelligent dialogue they dribble from the sides of their mouths..... more
so now then ever before.

The Simple Question "The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost
SUV.Any feedback about it.?"

The Answers:
> I thought so too until I got inside one.
> I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.

Obvious disinformation! I fit fine as well as my wife, and I'm much larger
then this guy. They used to call me "legs"

> Bob,
> Don't buy it. For many reasons, The Pilot and CR-V are much better
> vehicles. The Element was poorly designed and was made as cheaply as
> possible to keep the price down. It was made by Honda to compete with
> Toyota's Scion xb which is also poorly designed. The Element is a very
> high profile vehicle and shares the problem that many high profile
> vehicles share.

For the most part, I would state that the Pilot and CR-V are not better,
just more luxury comfortable.
Poorly designed? I think not! Most of the mechanics built on the CR-V so
another ignorant opinion.
Compete with Scion.....; Duh! How could he even compare the Element to the
Scion.....
and it does have a high physical profile, but once more a lack of knowledge
about physics and centers of gravity prevail.

I think both imply a lack of intelligence and honesty!

Re: Element
 

> No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
> unsubstantiated types. When someone asks a rather simple question, they
> don't get an honest answer.

I don't think that necessarily implies either a lack of intelligence or
honestly.

Just an absence of fear of critique.



It does! Rudeness and those opiniated, are displaying their ignorance for
the most part. I find that a number of people will give straight informative
answers to those who ask questions. In the beginning of Usenet there was
always a healthy and energetic exchange of ideas and opinions. Since the
dawn of the "Information Highway" it just opened the door to the drunk and
hopeless drivers with the lack of information. Since they can not add
intelligent dialogue they dribble from the sides of their mouths..... more
so now then ever before.

The Simple Question "The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost
SUV.Any feedback about it.?"

The Answers:
> I thought so too until I got inside one.
> I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.

Obvious disinformation! I fit fine as well as my wife, and I'm much larger
then this guy. They used to call me "legs"

> Bob,
> Don't buy it. For many reasons, The Pilot and CR-V are much better
> vehicles. The Element was poorly designed and was made as cheaply as
> possible to keep the price down. It was made by Honda to compete with
> Toyota's Scion xb which is also poorly designed. The Element is a very
> high profile vehicle and shares the problem that many high profile
> vehicles share.

For the most part, I would state that the Pilot and CR-V are not better,
just more luxury comfortable.
Poorly designed? I think not! Most of the mechanics built on the CR-V so
another ignorant opinion.
Compete with Scion.....; Duh! How could he even compare the Element to the
Scion.....
and it does have a high physical profile, but once more a lack of knowledge
about physics and centers of gravity prevail.

I think both imply a lack of intelligence and honesty!

Re: Element
 

"MOS 1369" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message
news:ktn%b.5328$f61.3385@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
> > unsubstantiated types. When someone asks a rather simple question, they
> > don't get an honest answer.
>
> I don't think that necessarily implies either a lack of intelligence or
> honestly.
>
> Just an absence of fear of critique.
>
>
>
> It does! Rudeness and those opiniated, are displaying their ignorance for
> the most part. I find that a number of people will give straight
informative
> answers to those who ask questions. In the beginning of Usenet there was
> always a healthy and energetic exchange of ideas and opinions. Since the
> dawn of the "Information Highway" it just opened the door to the drunk and
> hopeless drivers with the lack of information. Since they can not add
> intelligent dialogue they dribble from the sides of their mouths..... more
> so now then ever before.
>
> The Simple Question "The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost
> SUV.Any feedback about it.?"
>
> The Answers:
> > I thought so too until I got inside one.
> > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
>
> Obvious disinformation! I fit fine as well as my wife, and I'm much larger
> then this guy. They used to call me "legs"

Uh-huh.
So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?

Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
Why is yours more relevant that his?

> > Bob,
> > Don't buy it. For many reasons, The Pilot and CR-V are much better
> > vehicles. The Element was poorly designed and was made as cheaply as
> > possible to keep the price down. It was made by Honda to compete with
> > Toyota's Scion xb which is also poorly designed. The Element is a very
> > high profile vehicle and shares the problem that many high profile
> > vehicles share.
>
> For the most part, I would state that the Pilot and CR-V are not better,
> just more luxury comfortable.
> Poorly designed? I think not! Most of the mechanics built on the CR-V so
> another ignorant opinion.
> Compete with Scion.....; Duh! How could he even compare the Element to the
> Scion.....
> and it does have a high physical profile, but once more a lack of
knowledge
> about physics and centers of gravity prevail.
>
> I think both imply a lack of intelligence and honesty!

Well, the second one is Bill, and yes, he's an idiot.

The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.

Re: Element
 

"MOS 1369" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message
news:ktn%b.5328$f61.3385@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
> > unsubstantiated types. When someone asks a rather simple question, they
> > don't get an honest answer.
>
> I don't think that necessarily implies either a lack of intelligence or
> honestly.
>
> Just an absence of fear of critique.
>
>
>
> It does! Rudeness and those opiniated, are displaying their ignorance for
> the most part. I find that a number of people will give straight
informative
> answers to those who ask questions. In the beginning of Usenet there was
> always a healthy and energetic exchange of ideas and opinions. Since the
> dawn of the "Information Highway" it just opened the door to the drunk and
> hopeless drivers with the lack of information. Since they can not add
> intelligent dialogue they dribble from the sides of their mouths..... more
> so now then ever before.
>
> The Simple Question "The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost
> SUV.Any feedback about it.?"
>
> The Answers:
> > I thought so too until I got inside one.
> > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
>
> Obvious disinformation! I fit fine as well as my wife, and I'm much larger
> then this guy. They used to call me "legs"

Uh-huh.
So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?

Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
Why is yours more relevant that his?

> > Bob,
> > Don't buy it. For many reasons, The Pilot and CR-V are much better
> > vehicles. The Element was poorly designed and was made as cheaply as
> > possible to keep the price down. It was made by Honda to compete with
> > Toyota's Scion xb which is also poorly designed. The Element is a very
> > high profile vehicle and shares the problem that many high profile
> > vehicles share.
>
> For the most part, I would state that the Pilot and CR-V are not better,
> just more luxury comfortable.
> Poorly designed? I think not! Most of the mechanics built on the CR-V so
> another ignorant opinion.
> Compete with Scion.....; Duh! How could he even compare the Element to the
> Scion.....
> and it does have a high physical profile, but once more a lack of
knowledge
> about physics and centers of gravity prevail.
>
> I think both imply a lack of intelligence and honesty!

Well, the second one is Bill, and yes, he's an idiot.

The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.

Re: Element
 

"MOS 1369" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message
news:ktn%b.5328$f61.3385@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
> > unsubstantiated types. When someone asks a rather simple question, they
> > don't get an honest answer.
>
> I don't think that necessarily implies either a lack of intelligence or
> honestly.
>
> Just an absence of fear of critique.
>
>
>
> It does! Rudeness and those opiniated, are displaying their ignorance for
> the most part. I find that a number of people will give straight
informative
> answers to those who ask questions. In the beginning of Usenet there was
> always a healthy and energetic exchange of ideas and opinions. Since the
> dawn of the "Information Highway" it just opened the door to the drunk and
> hopeless drivers with the lack of information. Since they can not add
> intelligent dialogue they dribble from the sides of their mouths..... more
> so now then ever before.
>
> The Simple Question "The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost
> SUV.Any feedback about it.?"
>
> The Answers:
> > I thought so too until I got inside one.
> > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
>
> Obvious disinformation! I fit fine as well as my wife, and I'm much larger
> then this guy. They used to call me "legs"

Uh-huh.
So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?

Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
Why is yours more relevant that his?

> > Bob,
> > Don't buy it. For many reasons, The Pilot and CR-V are much better
> > vehicles. The Element was poorly designed and was made as cheaply as
> > possible to keep the price down. It was made by Honda to compete with
> > Toyota's Scion xb which is also poorly designed. The Element is a very
> > high profile vehicle and shares the problem that many high profile
> > vehicles share.
>
> For the most part, I would state that the Pilot and CR-V are not better,
> just more luxury comfortable.
> Poorly designed? I think not! Most of the mechanics built on the CR-V so
> another ignorant opinion.
> Compete with Scion.....; Duh! How could he even compare the Element to the
> Scion.....
> and it does have a high physical profile, but once more a lack of
knowledge
> about physics and centers of gravity prevail.
>
> I think both imply a lack of intelligence and honesty!

Well, the second one is Bill, and yes, he's an idiot.

The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.

Re: Element
 

"MOS 1369" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message
news:ktn%b.5328$f61.3385@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
> > unsubstantiated types. When someone asks a rather simple question, they
> > don't get an honest answer.
>
> I don't think that necessarily implies either a lack of intelligence or
> honestly.
>
> Just an absence of fear of critique.
>
>
>
> It does! Rudeness and those opiniated, are displaying their ignorance for
> the most part. I find that a number of people will give straight
informative
> answers to those who ask questions. In the beginning of Usenet there was
> always a healthy and energetic exchange of ideas and opinions. Since the
> dawn of the "Information Highway" it just opened the door to the drunk and
> hopeless drivers with the lack of information. Since they can not add
> intelligent dialogue they dribble from the sides of their mouths..... more
> so now then ever before.
>
> The Simple Question "The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost
> SUV.Any feedback about it.?"
>
> The Answers:
> > I thought so too until I got inside one.
> > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
>
> Obvious disinformation! I fit fine as well as my wife, and I'm much larger
> then this guy. They used to call me "legs"

Uh-huh.
So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?

Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
Why is yours more relevant that his?

> > Bob,
> > Don't buy it. For many reasons, The Pilot and CR-V are much better
> > vehicles. The Element was poorly designed and was made as cheaply as
> > possible to keep the price down. It was made by Honda to compete with
> > Toyota's Scion xb which is also poorly designed. The Element is a very
> > high profile vehicle and shares the problem that many high profile
> > vehicles share.
>
> For the most part, I would state that the Pilot and CR-V are not better,
> just more luxury comfortable.
> Poorly designed? I think not! Most of the mechanics built on the CR-V so
> another ignorant opinion.
> Compete with Scion.....; Duh! How could he even compare the Element to the
> Scion.....
> and it does have a high physical profile, but once more a lack of
knowledge
> about physics and centers of gravity prevail.
>
> I think both imply a lack of intelligence and honesty!

Well, the second one is Bill, and yes, he's an idiot.

The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.

Re: Element
 

> The Answers:
> > I thought so too until I got inside one.
> > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.

So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?

Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
Why is yours more relevant that his?

The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.


You can't build with opinions, only ideas and facts. If you try to
understand this gentleman and his opinion his 6'1" frame doesn't properly
fit, (Comfort was not necessarily in question)I would have to surmise he
hopped into one at a dealer (and not an owner) with the front seat all the
way forward and went "oh my I just don't fit". For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
lbs. with the seat all the way back I can't understand how someone shorter
could complain about leg room, especially with the way the seat is
positioned? Logically and in physical dimensions, something is incorrect,
since the vehicle specs are absolute, then I suspect an inaccurate opinion.

I would also add I have plenty of head room. The seats in the CR-V are
softer and more comfortable then in the Element. I would also state that
with the configuration of the rear doors odd as they may seem work fine for
placing very large items into the area behind the front seats. Packages that
could never fit in most other vehicles including the CR-V.

He would certainly have to explain himself and his lack of leg room ... and
since he had not responded to my early response, I suspect he was providing
a very limited unfounded opinion.


Amend the U.S. Constitution to add "FREEDOM"

Re: Element
 

> The Answers:
> > I thought so too until I got inside one.
> > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.

So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?

Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
Why is yours more relevant that his?

The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.


You can't build with opinions, only ideas and facts. If you try to
understand this gentleman and his opinion his 6'1" frame doesn't properly
fit, (Comfort was not necessarily in question)I would have to surmise he
hopped into one at a dealer (and not an owner) with the front seat all the
way forward and went "oh my I just don't fit". For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
lbs. with the seat all the way back I can't understand how someone shorter
could complain about leg room, especially with the way the seat is
positioned? Logically and in physical dimensions, something is incorrect,
since the vehicle specs are absolute, then I suspect an inaccurate opinion.

I would also add I have plenty of head room. The seats in the CR-V are
softer and more comfortable then in the Element. I would also state that
with the configuration of the rear doors odd as they may seem work fine for
placing very large items into the area behind the front seats. Packages that
could never fit in most other vehicles including the CR-V.

He would certainly have to explain himself and his lack of leg room ... and
since he had not responded to my early response, I suspect he was providing
a very limited unfounded opinion.


Amend the U.S. Constitution to add "FREEDOM"

Re: Element
 

> The Answers:
> > I thought so too until I got inside one.
> > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.

So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?

Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
Why is yours more relevant that his?

The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.


You can't build with opinions, only ideas and facts. If you try to
understand this gentleman and his opinion his 6'1" frame doesn't properly
fit, (Comfort was not necessarily in question)I would have to surmise he
hopped into one at a dealer (and not an owner) with the front seat all the
way forward and went "oh my I just don't fit". For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
lbs. with the seat all the way back I can't understand how someone shorter
could complain about leg room, especially with the way the seat is
positioned? Logically and in physical dimensions, something is incorrect,
since the vehicle specs are absolute, then I suspect an inaccurate opinion.

I would also add I have plenty of head room. The seats in the CR-V are
softer and more comfortable then in the Element. I would also state that
with the configuration of the rear doors odd as they may seem work fine for
placing very large items into the area behind the front seats. Packages that
could never fit in most other vehicles including the CR-V.

He would certainly have to explain himself and his lack of leg room ... and
since he had not responded to my early response, I suspect he was providing
a very limited unfounded opinion.


Amend the U.S. Constitution to add "FREEDOM"

Re: Element
 

> The Answers:
> > I thought so too until I got inside one.
> > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
> > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.

So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?

Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
Why is yours more relevant that his?

The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.


You can't build with opinions, only ideas and facts. If you try to
understand this gentleman and his opinion his 6'1" frame doesn't properly
fit, (Comfort was not necessarily in question)I would have to surmise he
hopped into one at a dealer (and not an owner) with the front seat all the
way forward and went "oh my I just don't fit". For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
lbs. with the seat all the way back I can't understand how someone shorter
could complain about leg room, especially with the way the seat is
positioned? Logically and in physical dimensions, something is incorrect,
since the vehicle specs are absolute, then I suspect an inaccurate opinion.

I would also add I have plenty of head room. The seats in the CR-V are
softer and more comfortable then in the Element. I would also state that
with the configuration of the rear doors odd as they may seem work fine for
placing very large items into the area behind the front seats. Packages that
could never fit in most other vehicles including the CR-V.

He would certainly have to explain himself and his lack of leg room ... and
since he had not responded to my early response, I suspect he was providing
a very limited unfounded opinion.


Amend the U.S. Constitution to add "FREEDOM"

Re: Element
 

On 2/26/2004 9:12 AM MOS 1369 spake these words of knowledge:

>> The Answers:
>> > I thought so too until I got inside one.
>> > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
>> > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
>
> So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?
>
> Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
> Why is yours more relevant that his?
>
> The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.
>
>
> You can't build with opinions, only ideas and facts. If you try to
> understand this gentleman and his opinion his 6'1" frame doesn't properly
> fit, (Comfort was not necessarily in question)I would have to surmise he
> hopped into one at a dealer (and not an owner) with the front seat all the
> way forward and went "oh my I just don't fit". For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
> lbs. with the seat all the way back I can't understand how someone shorter
> could complain about leg room, especially with the way the seat is
> positioned? Logically and in physical dimensions, something is incorrect,
> since the vehicle specs are absolute, then I suspect an inaccurate opinion.

Some people have very long legs and short torsos; some are just the
opposite, and of course most fall in to the categories that people build
for. A short-waisted and long-legged 6 footer may find the leg room
unacceptable but the headroom great, whereas a short-legged but
long-torsoed 6-footer may find the leg room fine but the head room a
reason not to buy the car. A more average person may have no problem
with both.

It seems to me that it's a lot more likely that the fellow falls into
one of the other categories than it is that he's just lying for some
spiteful or other reason.

It seems to me you'd be a lot more believable if you gave your opinion
without telling folks (or implying) that the people who disagree with
you are lying.

But then this is usenet, and we can all do whatever we want.

As for me, I'm 6'2", 280 lbs, and I fit fine in the Civic I tried out,
the Accord I bought last year, and the Odyssey I bought in 2000. I've
never been in an Element or a CRV.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
The universe is a big place... perhaps the biggest.