Re: Element
 

On 2/26/2004 9:12 AM MOS 1369 spake these words of knowledge:

>> The Answers:
>> > I thought so too until I got inside one.
>> > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
>> > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
>
> So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?
>
> Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
> Why is yours more relevant that his?
>
> The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.
>
>
> You can't build with opinions, only ideas and facts. If you try to
> understand this gentleman and his opinion his 6'1" frame doesn't properly
> fit, (Comfort was not necessarily in question)I would have to surmise he
> hopped into one at a dealer (and not an owner) with the front seat all the
> way forward and went "oh my I just don't fit". For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
> lbs. with the seat all the way back I can't understand how someone shorter
> could complain about leg room, especially with the way the seat is
> positioned? Logically and in physical dimensions, something is incorrect,
> since the vehicle specs are absolute, then I suspect an inaccurate opinion.

Some people have very long legs and short torsos; some are just the
opposite, and of course most fall in to the categories that people build
for. A short-waisted and long-legged 6 footer may find the leg room
unacceptable but the headroom great, whereas a short-legged but
long-torsoed 6-footer may find the leg room fine but the head room a
reason not to buy the car. A more average person may have no problem
with both.

It seems to me that it's a lot more likely that the fellow falls into
one of the other categories than it is that he's just lying for some
spiteful or other reason.

It seems to me you'd be a lot more believable if you gave your opinion
without telling folks (or implying) that the people who disagree with
you are lying.

But then this is usenet, and we can all do whatever we want.

As for me, I'm 6'2", 280 lbs, and I fit fine in the Civic I tried out,
the Accord I bought last year, and the Odyssey I bought in 2000. I've
never been in an Element or a CRV.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
The universe is a big place... perhaps the biggest.

Re: Element
 

On 2/26/2004 9:12 AM MOS 1369 spake these words of knowledge:

>> The Answers:
>> > I thought so too until I got inside one.
>> > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
>> > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
>
> So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?
>
> Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
> Why is yours more relevant that his?
>
> The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.
>
>
> You can't build with opinions, only ideas and facts. If you try to
> understand this gentleman and his opinion his 6'1" frame doesn't properly
> fit, (Comfort was not necessarily in question)I would have to surmise he
> hopped into one at a dealer (and not an owner) with the front seat all the
> way forward and went "oh my I just don't fit". For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
> lbs. with the seat all the way back I can't understand how someone shorter
> could complain about leg room, especially with the way the seat is
> positioned? Logically and in physical dimensions, something is incorrect,
> since the vehicle specs are absolute, then I suspect an inaccurate opinion.

Some people have very long legs and short torsos; some are just the
opposite, and of course most fall in to the categories that people build
for. A short-waisted and long-legged 6 footer may find the leg room
unacceptable but the headroom great, whereas a short-legged but
long-torsoed 6-footer may find the leg room fine but the head room a
reason not to buy the car. A more average person may have no problem
with both.

It seems to me that it's a lot more likely that the fellow falls into
one of the other categories than it is that he's just lying for some
spiteful or other reason.

It seems to me you'd be a lot more believable if you gave your opinion
without telling folks (or implying) that the people who disagree with
you are lying.

But then this is usenet, and we can all do whatever we want.

As for me, I'm 6'2", 280 lbs, and I fit fine in the Civic I tried out,
the Accord I bought last year, and the Odyssey I bought in 2000. I've
never been in an Element or a CRV.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
The universe is a big place... perhaps the biggest.

Re: Element
 

On 2/26/2004 9:12 AM MOS 1369 spake these words of knowledge:

>> The Answers:
>> > I thought so too until I got inside one.
>> > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
>> > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
>
> So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?
>
> Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
> Why is yours more relevant that his?
>
> The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.
>
>
> You can't build with opinions, only ideas and facts. If you try to
> understand this gentleman and his opinion his 6'1" frame doesn't properly
> fit, (Comfort was not necessarily in question)I would have to surmise he
> hopped into one at a dealer (and not an owner) with the front seat all the
> way forward and went "oh my I just don't fit". For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
> lbs. with the seat all the way back I can't understand how someone shorter
> could complain about leg room, especially with the way the seat is
> positioned? Logically and in physical dimensions, something is incorrect,
> since the vehicle specs are absolute, then I suspect an inaccurate opinion.

Some people have very long legs and short torsos; some are just the
opposite, and of course most fall in to the categories that people build
for. A short-waisted and long-legged 6 footer may find the leg room
unacceptable but the headroom great, whereas a short-legged but
long-torsoed 6-footer may find the leg room fine but the head room a
reason not to buy the car. A more average person may have no problem
with both.

It seems to me that it's a lot more likely that the fellow falls into
one of the other categories than it is that he's just lying for some
spiteful or other reason.

It seems to me you'd be a lot more believable if you gave your opinion
without telling folks (or implying) that the people who disagree with
you are lying.

But then this is usenet, and we can all do whatever we want.

As for me, I'm 6'2", 280 lbs, and I fit fine in the Civic I tried out,
the Accord I bought last year, and the Odyssey I bought in 2000. I've
never been in an Element or a CRV.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
The universe is a big place... perhaps the biggest.

Re: Element
 

"MOS 1369" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message
news:S1o%b.5353$f61.2779@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > The Answers:
> > > I thought so too until I got inside one.
> > > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little
leg
> > > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
>
> So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?
>
> Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to
opinion.
> Why is yours more relevant that his?
>
> The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.
>
>
> You can't build with opinions, only ideas and facts. If you try to
> understand this gentleman and his opinion his 6'1" frame doesn't properly
> fit, (Comfort was not necessarily in question)I would have to surmise he
> hopped into one at a dealer (and not an owner) with the front seat all the
> way forward and went "oh my I just don't fit".

Is that a fact or opinion?

For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
> lbs. with the seat all the way back I can't understand how someone shorter
> could complain about leg room, especially with the way the seat is
> positioned?

I bet you can't understand *any* dissenting views.

Re: Element
 

"MOS 1369" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message
news:S1o%b.5353$f61.2779@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > The Answers:
> > > I thought so too until I got inside one.
> > > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little
leg
> > > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
>
> So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?
>
> Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to
opinion.
> Why is yours more relevant that his?
>
> The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.
>
>
> You can't build with opinions, only ideas and facts. If you try to
> understand this gentleman and his opinion his 6'1" frame doesn't properly
> fit, (Comfort was not necessarily in question)I would have to surmise he
> hopped into one at a dealer (and not an owner) with the front seat all the
> way forward and went "oh my I just don't fit".

Is that a fact or opinion?

For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
> lbs. with the seat all the way back I can't understand how someone shorter
> could complain about leg room, especially with the way the seat is
> positioned?

I bet you can't understand *any* dissenting views.

Re: Element
 

"MOS 1369" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message
news:S1o%b.5353$f61.2779@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > The Answers:
> > > I thought so too until I got inside one.
> > > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little
leg
> > > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
>
> So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?
>
> Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to
opinion.
> Why is yours more relevant that his?
>
> The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.
>
>
> You can't build with opinions, only ideas and facts. If you try to
> understand this gentleman and his opinion his 6'1" frame doesn't properly
> fit, (Comfort was not necessarily in question)I would have to surmise he
> hopped into one at a dealer (and not an owner) with the front seat all the
> way forward and went "oh my I just don't fit".

Is that a fact or opinion?

For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
> lbs. with the seat all the way back I can't understand how someone shorter
> could complain about leg room, especially with the way the seat is
> positioned?

I bet you can't understand *any* dissenting views.

Re: Element
 

"MOS 1369" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message
news:S1o%b.5353$f61.2779@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > The Answers:
> > > I thought so too until I got inside one.
> > > I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little
leg
> > > room. Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
>
> So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?
>
> Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to
opinion.
> Why is yours more relevant that his?
>
> The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.
>
>
> You can't build with opinions, only ideas and facts. If you try to
> understand this gentleman and his opinion his 6'1" frame doesn't properly
> fit, (Comfort was not necessarily in question)I would have to surmise he
> hopped into one at a dealer (and not an owner) with the front seat all the
> way forward and went "oh my I just don't fit".

Is that a fact or opinion?

For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
> lbs. with the seat all the way back I can't understand how someone shorter
> could complain about leg room, especially with the way the seat is
> positioned?

I bet you can't understand *any* dissenting views.

Re: Element
 

Some people have very long legs and short torsos; some are just the
opposite, and of course most fall in to the categories that people build
for. A short-waisted and long-legged 6 footer may find the leg room
unacceptable but the headroom great, whereas a short-legged but
long-torsoed 6-footer may find the leg room fine but the head room a
reason not to buy the car. A more average person may have no problem
with both.

It seems to me that it's a lot more likely that the fellow falls into
one of the other categories than it is that he's just lying for some
spiteful or other reason.

88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 888888888888888888888
I stated
"then I suspect an inaccurate opinion"

Is reading and comprehension lacking here? Did I say anyone was lying?
Look, I have given my opinion and can support and back up my claims. As for
the individual
who can't fit, I am trying my best to come to his conclusion and understand
it.
You are correct, he may possibly horribly disfigured and unable to fit, But
you can dick around
with BS as much as you want. The bottom line is the cars specs are accurate
and you can't
change them and Honda would also conclude that a 6'1" person can fit
properly and comfortably....
and I know factually they could possibly lie, but aren't.

I also wear 36" inseam and average leg is much less then that...........

You are more than in your own rights to draw your own conclusions from what
ever
anyone may say.................. For me, I like accuracy, a technical,
financial and medical background
requires such.

Re: Element
 

Some people have very long legs and short torsos; some are just the
opposite, and of course most fall in to the categories that people build
for. A short-waisted and long-legged 6 footer may find the leg room
unacceptable but the headroom great, whereas a short-legged but
long-torsoed 6-footer may find the leg room fine but the head room a
reason not to buy the car. A more average person may have no problem
with both.

It seems to me that it's a lot more likely that the fellow falls into
one of the other categories than it is that he's just lying for some
spiteful or other reason.

88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 888888888888888888888
I stated
"then I suspect an inaccurate opinion"

Is reading and comprehension lacking here? Did I say anyone was lying?
Look, I have given my opinion and can support and back up my claims. As for
the individual
who can't fit, I am trying my best to come to his conclusion and understand
it.
You are correct, he may possibly horribly disfigured and unable to fit, But
you can dick around
with BS as much as you want. The bottom line is the cars specs are accurate
and you can't
change them and Honda would also conclude that a 6'1" person can fit
properly and comfortably....
and I know factually they could possibly lie, but aren't.

I also wear 36" inseam and average leg is much less then that...........

You are more than in your own rights to draw your own conclusions from what
ever
anyone may say.................. For me, I like accuracy, a technical,
financial and medical background
requires such.

Re: Element
 

Some people have very long legs and short torsos; some are just the
opposite, and of course most fall in to the categories that people build
for. A short-waisted and long-legged 6 footer may find the leg room
unacceptable but the headroom great, whereas a short-legged but
long-torsoed 6-footer may find the leg room fine but the head room a
reason not to buy the car. A more average person may have no problem
with both.

It seems to me that it's a lot more likely that the fellow falls into
one of the other categories than it is that he's just lying for some
spiteful or other reason.

88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 888888888888888888888
I stated
"then I suspect an inaccurate opinion"

Is reading and comprehension lacking here? Did I say anyone was lying?
Look, I have given my opinion and can support and back up my claims. As for
the individual
who can't fit, I am trying my best to come to his conclusion and understand
it.
You are correct, he may possibly horribly disfigured and unable to fit, But
you can dick around
with BS as much as you want. The bottom line is the cars specs are accurate
and you can't
change them and Honda would also conclude that a 6'1" person can fit
properly and comfortably....
and I know factually they could possibly lie, but aren't.

I also wear 36" inseam and average leg is much less then that...........

You are more than in your own rights to draw your own conclusions from what
ever
anyone may say.................. For me, I like accuracy, a technical,
financial and medical background
requires such.

Re: Element
 

Some people have very long legs and short torsos; some are just the
opposite, and of course most fall in to the categories that people build
for. A short-waisted and long-legged 6 footer may find the leg room
unacceptable but the headroom great, whereas a short-legged but
long-torsoed 6-footer may find the leg room fine but the head room a
reason not to buy the car. A more average person may have no problem
with both.

It seems to me that it's a lot more likely that the fellow falls into
one of the other categories than it is that he's just lying for some
spiteful or other reason.

88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 888888888888888888888
I stated
"then I suspect an inaccurate opinion"

Is reading and comprehension lacking here? Did I say anyone was lying?
Look, I have given my opinion and can support and back up my claims. As for
the individual
who can't fit, I am trying my best to come to his conclusion and understand
it.
You are correct, he may possibly horribly disfigured and unable to fit, But
you can dick around
with BS as much as you want. The bottom line is the cars specs are accurate
and you can't
change them and Honda would also conclude that a 6'1" person can fit
properly and comfortably....
and I know factually they could possibly lie, but aren't.

I also wear 36" inseam and average leg is much less then that...........

You are more than in your own rights to draw your own conclusions from what
ever
anyone may say.................. For me, I like accuracy, a technical,
financial and medical background
requires such.

Re: Element
 

I bet you can't understand *any* dissenting views.

Yes, your right! In your own little world things may make sense to you, that
can't be and aren't supported
by reality or facts........No WMD's Sorry, but don't take it out on me, you
probably don't understand the difference between an opinion and a view.
So your statements are really meaningless and since facts re on my side, I
can conclude your just blowing smoke for smoking sake........

Re: Element
 

I bet you can't understand *any* dissenting views.

Yes, your right! In your own little world things may make sense to you, that
can't be and aren't supported
by reality or facts........No WMD's Sorry, but don't take it out on me, you
probably don't understand the difference between an opinion and a view.
So your statements are really meaningless and since facts re on my side, I
can conclude your just blowing smoke for smoking sake........

Re: Element
 

I bet you can't understand *any* dissenting views.

Yes, your right! In your own little world things may make sense to you, that
can't be and aren't supported
by reality or facts........No WMD's Sorry, but don't take it out on me, you
probably don't understand the difference between an opinion and a view.
So your statements are really meaningless and since facts re on my side, I
can conclude your just blowing smoke for smoking sake........

Re: Element
 

I bet you can't understand *any* dissenting views.

Yes, your right! In your own little world things may make sense to you, that
can't be and aren't supported
by reality or facts........No WMD's Sorry, but don't take it out on me, you
probably don't understand the difference between an opinion and a view.
So your statements are really meaningless and since facts re on my side, I
can conclude your just blowing smoke for smoking sake........