Element
#76
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Re: Element
"MOS 1369" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message
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> I find all this pretty funny. Simple questions with BS answers. Then we
get
> a latin spanking?
>
> Here's a Cantonese one. Tsik See.................
Glad you had a laugh.
Too bad you didn't get the joke!
#77
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Re: Element
Oh, the jokes on me!........Now I get it..... Cute! You know there is
always these NG Alpha-bitches, who think their topdogs with tiny little
stubby tails and all they really do is just bark, bark and bark. I'll stick
with my last statement.
Eventually the cast will come off, and I won't be so bored to dribble with
you'se guies!
always these NG Alpha-bitches, who think their topdogs with tiny little
stubby tails and all they really do is just bark, bark and bark. I'll stick
with my last statement.
Eventually the cast will come off, and I won't be so bored to dribble with
you'se guies!
#78
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Posts: n/a
Re: Element
Oh, the jokes on me!........Now I get it..... Cute! You know there is
always these NG Alpha-bitches, who think their topdogs with tiny little
stubby tails and all they really do is just bark, bark and bark. I'll stick
with my last statement.
Eventually the cast will come off, and I won't be so bored to dribble with
you'se guies!
always these NG Alpha-bitches, who think their topdogs with tiny little
stubby tails and all they really do is just bark, bark and bark. I'll stick
with my last statement.
Eventually the cast will come off, and I won't be so bored to dribble with
you'se guies!
#79
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Posts: n/a
Re: Element
Oh, the jokes on me!........Now I get it..... Cute! You know there is
always these NG Alpha-bitches, who think their topdogs with tiny little
stubby tails and all they really do is just bark, bark and bark. I'll stick
with my last statement.
Eventually the cast will come off, and I won't be so bored to dribble with
you'se guies!
always these NG Alpha-bitches, who think their topdogs with tiny little
stubby tails and all they really do is just bark, bark and bark. I'll stick
with my last statement.
Eventually the cast will come off, and I won't be so bored to dribble with
you'se guies!
#80
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Element
Oh, the jokes on me!........Now I get it..... Cute! You know there is
always these NG Alpha-bitches, who think their topdogs with tiny little
stubby tails and all they really do is just bark, bark and bark. I'll stick
with my last statement.
Eventually the cast will come off, and I won't be so bored to dribble with
you'se guies!
always these NG Alpha-bitches, who think their topdogs with tiny little
stubby tails and all they really do is just bark, bark and bark. I'll stick
with my last statement.
Eventually the cast will come off, and I won't be so bored to dribble with
you'se guies!
#81
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Re: Element
Here's my take on the Element.
1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
2. Lots of room for stuff.
3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
can be easily cleaned).
4. Decent power in the engine.
5. Good ground clearance.
6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
9. Decent mileage.
10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
Tim
In article <RFr_b.162374$cM1.31229937@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
bob@me.com writes...
>The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost SUV.Any feedback
>about it.?
>
>Bob
>
>
1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
2. Lots of room for stuff.
3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
can be easily cleaned).
4. Decent power in the engine.
5. Good ground clearance.
6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
9. Decent mileage.
10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
Tim
In article <RFr_b.162374$cM1.31229937@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
bob@me.com writes...
>The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost SUV.Any feedback
>about it.?
>
>Bob
>
>
#82
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Posts: n/a
Re: Element
Here's my take on the Element.
1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
2. Lots of room for stuff.
3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
can be easily cleaned).
4. Decent power in the engine.
5. Good ground clearance.
6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
9. Decent mileage.
10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
Tim
In article <RFr_b.162374$cM1.31229937@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
bob@me.com writes...
>The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost SUV.Any feedback
>about it.?
>
>Bob
>
>
1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
2. Lots of room for stuff.
3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
can be easily cleaned).
4. Decent power in the engine.
5. Good ground clearance.
6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
9. Decent mileage.
10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
Tim
In article <RFr_b.162374$cM1.31229937@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
bob@me.com writes...
>The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost SUV.Any feedback
>about it.?
>
>Bob
>
>
#83
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Posts: n/a
Re: Element
Here's my take on the Element.
1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
2. Lots of room for stuff.
3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
can be easily cleaned).
4. Decent power in the engine.
5. Good ground clearance.
6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
9. Decent mileage.
10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
Tim
In article <RFr_b.162374$cM1.31229937@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
bob@me.com writes...
>The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost SUV.Any feedback
>about it.?
>
>Bob
>
>
1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
2. Lots of room for stuff.
3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
can be easily cleaned).
4. Decent power in the engine.
5. Good ground clearance.
6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
9. Decent mileage.
10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
Tim
In article <RFr_b.162374$cM1.31229937@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
bob@me.com writes...
>The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost SUV.Any feedback
>about it.?
>
>Bob
>
>
#84
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Posts: n/a
Re: Element
Here's my take on the Element.
1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
2. Lots of room for stuff.
3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
can be easily cleaned).
4. Decent power in the engine.
5. Good ground clearance.
6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
9. Decent mileage.
10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
Tim
In article <RFr_b.162374$cM1.31229937@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
bob@me.com writes...
>The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost SUV.Any feedback
>about it.?
>
>Bob
>
>
1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
2. Lots of room for stuff.
3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
can be easily cleaned).
4. Decent power in the engine.
5. Good ground clearance.
6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
9. Decent mileage.
10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
Tim
In article <RFr_b.162374$cM1.31229937@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
bob@me.com writes...
>The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost SUV.Any feedback
>about it.?
>
>Bob
>
>
#85
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Re: Element
In article <MPG.1aabb9f14dd644dd98968f@news.comcast.giganews. com>,
Tim <anon@anonymous.com> wrote:
> Here's my take on the Element.
>
> 1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
> 2. Lots of room for stuff.
> 3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
> can be easily cleaned).
> 4. Decent power in the engine.
> 5. Good ground clearance.
> 6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
> 7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
> to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
> debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
> 8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
> 9. Decent mileage.
> 10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
>
> In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
> value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
> increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
I would concur with all but #6 and #10
I have had mine for about a year and have 45K miles already. I have an
80 mile round trip daily commute in ATL traffic. I considered the Saturn
Vue, Jeep Liberty, Subaru Forrester as options. The Element was the best
value in my opinion. the Jeep Liberty is a better vehicle if you intend
serious off roading but is short on some other offerings you get in the
Element.
For outright usable space the Element is hard to beat. I carry few
passengers but the rear seating is comfortable and has nice headroom
even for those over 6 feet. Rear passengers benefit from sitting
slightly higher than the front seats so you have forward visibility
which may offer benefits on longer trips.
The ride is supple and stable for an SUV or most mid size cars. I have
not used mine in 'off road' situtations as I do not consider it well
suited for that. The AWD does offer some great safety im my opinion
though. I previously drove a Jetta and the wet weather driving always
scared me a bit. Driving in some heavy down pours with the Element gave
little indication of loss of traction at moderate speeds I would not
have driven in the Jetta. My wife has a BMW 325 and though I may be
biased it seems that the Element is nearly as quite inside. When I first
bought it there did seem to be some transmitted road noise inside the
boxy interior. There is not undue wind noise ( I also have a Jeep and
know what wind noise can be). Mine seems to be quieter as I have
increased miles. I had a regular mainteance that included replacing the
air conditioning/vent filter. They apparently allowed a leaf to drop in
and it was making contact with the fan. It was a very slight ticking
sound but I could hear it clearly while driving.
I do get off on the beach occasionally and on trip down to St. Augustine
during a storm we rode down the beach and came to a point I figured we
should turn back. Really it was just a bit too far. I made a turn and
realized I was in freshly deposited sand from the surf. Getting stuck
would have been disatrous as the tide was coming in fast. I did not get
out to look at the tracks but I could see that the tires were deep and I
am fortunate the bottom did not drag (or enough) to stop me.
Great radio (maybe could use a bit better speakers for high end
frequencies).
Re #6 I covered that above. As for #10, the doors may be partaially
responsible but only because of a slightly bulkier B pillar. The problem
does not appear to be with weakness of the doors for side intrusion but
the fact that the head can contact the B pillar. This of course is not
unique to the door design.
The Element is not for everyone whether you like the appearance or need
the features. But if you need utility with some comfort and bonus
options (seating, A/C, high end audio) with an easy to care for interior
and seating for 4 is enough it is a great value. Of the vehicles I
considered I came in at about $3K - $5K less for equivalent features and
some things they could not offer.
YMMV,
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com
Tim <anon@anonymous.com> wrote:
> Here's my take on the Element.
>
> 1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
> 2. Lots of room for stuff.
> 3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
> can be easily cleaned).
> 4. Decent power in the engine.
> 5. Good ground clearance.
> 6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
> 7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
> to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
> debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
> 8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
> 9. Decent mileage.
> 10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
>
> In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
> value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
> increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
I would concur with all but #6 and #10
I have had mine for about a year and have 45K miles already. I have an
80 mile round trip daily commute in ATL traffic. I considered the Saturn
Vue, Jeep Liberty, Subaru Forrester as options. The Element was the best
value in my opinion. the Jeep Liberty is a better vehicle if you intend
serious off roading but is short on some other offerings you get in the
Element.
For outright usable space the Element is hard to beat. I carry few
passengers but the rear seating is comfortable and has nice headroom
even for those over 6 feet. Rear passengers benefit from sitting
slightly higher than the front seats so you have forward visibility
which may offer benefits on longer trips.
The ride is supple and stable for an SUV or most mid size cars. I have
not used mine in 'off road' situtations as I do not consider it well
suited for that. The AWD does offer some great safety im my opinion
though. I previously drove a Jetta and the wet weather driving always
scared me a bit. Driving in some heavy down pours with the Element gave
little indication of loss of traction at moderate speeds I would not
have driven in the Jetta. My wife has a BMW 325 and though I may be
biased it seems that the Element is nearly as quite inside. When I first
bought it there did seem to be some transmitted road noise inside the
boxy interior. There is not undue wind noise ( I also have a Jeep and
know what wind noise can be). Mine seems to be quieter as I have
increased miles. I had a regular mainteance that included replacing the
air conditioning/vent filter. They apparently allowed a leaf to drop in
and it was making contact with the fan. It was a very slight ticking
sound but I could hear it clearly while driving.
I do get off on the beach occasionally and on trip down to St. Augustine
during a storm we rode down the beach and came to a point I figured we
should turn back. Really it was just a bit too far. I made a turn and
realized I was in freshly deposited sand from the surf. Getting stuck
would have been disatrous as the tide was coming in fast. I did not get
out to look at the tracks but I could see that the tires were deep and I
am fortunate the bottom did not drag (or enough) to stop me.
Great radio (maybe could use a bit better speakers for high end
frequencies).
Re #6 I covered that above. As for #10, the doors may be partaially
responsible but only because of a slightly bulkier B pillar. The problem
does not appear to be with weakness of the doors for side intrusion but
the fact that the head can contact the B pillar. This of course is not
unique to the door design.
The Element is not for everyone whether you like the appearance or need
the features. But if you need utility with some comfort and bonus
options (seating, A/C, high end audio) with an easy to care for interior
and seating for 4 is enough it is a great value. Of the vehicles I
considered I came in at about $3K - $5K less for equivalent features and
some things they could not offer.
YMMV,
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com
#86
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Posts: n/a
Re: Element
In article <MPG.1aabb9f14dd644dd98968f@news.comcast.giganews. com>,
Tim <anon@anonymous.com> wrote:
> Here's my take on the Element.
>
> 1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
> 2. Lots of room for stuff.
> 3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
> can be easily cleaned).
> 4. Decent power in the engine.
> 5. Good ground clearance.
> 6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
> 7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
> to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
> debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
> 8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
> 9. Decent mileage.
> 10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
>
> In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
> value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
> increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
I would concur with all but #6 and #10
I have had mine for about a year and have 45K miles already. I have an
80 mile round trip daily commute in ATL traffic. I considered the Saturn
Vue, Jeep Liberty, Subaru Forrester as options. The Element was the best
value in my opinion. the Jeep Liberty is a better vehicle if you intend
serious off roading but is short on some other offerings you get in the
Element.
For outright usable space the Element is hard to beat. I carry few
passengers but the rear seating is comfortable and has nice headroom
even for those over 6 feet. Rear passengers benefit from sitting
slightly higher than the front seats so you have forward visibility
which may offer benefits on longer trips.
The ride is supple and stable for an SUV or most mid size cars. I have
not used mine in 'off road' situtations as I do not consider it well
suited for that. The AWD does offer some great safety im my opinion
though. I previously drove a Jetta and the wet weather driving always
scared me a bit. Driving in some heavy down pours with the Element gave
little indication of loss of traction at moderate speeds I would not
have driven in the Jetta. My wife has a BMW 325 and though I may be
biased it seems that the Element is nearly as quite inside. When I first
bought it there did seem to be some transmitted road noise inside the
boxy interior. There is not undue wind noise ( I also have a Jeep and
know what wind noise can be). Mine seems to be quieter as I have
increased miles. I had a regular mainteance that included replacing the
air conditioning/vent filter. They apparently allowed a leaf to drop in
and it was making contact with the fan. It was a very slight ticking
sound but I could hear it clearly while driving.
I do get off on the beach occasionally and on trip down to St. Augustine
during a storm we rode down the beach and came to a point I figured we
should turn back. Really it was just a bit too far. I made a turn and
realized I was in freshly deposited sand from the surf. Getting stuck
would have been disatrous as the tide was coming in fast. I did not get
out to look at the tracks but I could see that the tires were deep and I
am fortunate the bottom did not drag (or enough) to stop me.
Great radio (maybe could use a bit better speakers for high end
frequencies).
Re #6 I covered that above. As for #10, the doors may be partaially
responsible but only because of a slightly bulkier B pillar. The problem
does not appear to be with weakness of the doors for side intrusion but
the fact that the head can contact the B pillar. This of course is not
unique to the door design.
The Element is not for everyone whether you like the appearance or need
the features. But if you need utility with some comfort and bonus
options (seating, A/C, high end audio) with an easy to care for interior
and seating for 4 is enough it is a great value. Of the vehicles I
considered I came in at about $3K - $5K less for equivalent features and
some things they could not offer.
YMMV,
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com
Tim <anon@anonymous.com> wrote:
> Here's my take on the Element.
>
> 1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
> 2. Lots of room for stuff.
> 3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
> can be easily cleaned).
> 4. Decent power in the engine.
> 5. Good ground clearance.
> 6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
> 7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
> to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
> debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
> 8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
> 9. Decent mileage.
> 10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
>
> In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
> value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
> increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
I would concur with all but #6 and #10
I have had mine for about a year and have 45K miles already. I have an
80 mile round trip daily commute in ATL traffic. I considered the Saturn
Vue, Jeep Liberty, Subaru Forrester as options. The Element was the best
value in my opinion. the Jeep Liberty is a better vehicle if you intend
serious off roading but is short on some other offerings you get in the
Element.
For outright usable space the Element is hard to beat. I carry few
passengers but the rear seating is comfortable and has nice headroom
even for those over 6 feet. Rear passengers benefit from sitting
slightly higher than the front seats so you have forward visibility
which may offer benefits on longer trips.
The ride is supple and stable for an SUV or most mid size cars. I have
not used mine in 'off road' situtations as I do not consider it well
suited for that. The AWD does offer some great safety im my opinion
though. I previously drove a Jetta and the wet weather driving always
scared me a bit. Driving in some heavy down pours with the Element gave
little indication of loss of traction at moderate speeds I would not
have driven in the Jetta. My wife has a BMW 325 and though I may be
biased it seems that the Element is nearly as quite inside. When I first
bought it there did seem to be some transmitted road noise inside the
boxy interior. There is not undue wind noise ( I also have a Jeep and
know what wind noise can be). Mine seems to be quieter as I have
increased miles. I had a regular mainteance that included replacing the
air conditioning/vent filter. They apparently allowed a leaf to drop in
and it was making contact with the fan. It was a very slight ticking
sound but I could hear it clearly while driving.
I do get off on the beach occasionally and on trip down to St. Augustine
during a storm we rode down the beach and came to a point I figured we
should turn back. Really it was just a bit too far. I made a turn and
realized I was in freshly deposited sand from the surf. Getting stuck
would have been disatrous as the tide was coming in fast. I did not get
out to look at the tracks but I could see that the tires were deep and I
am fortunate the bottom did not drag (or enough) to stop me.
Great radio (maybe could use a bit better speakers for high end
frequencies).
Re #6 I covered that above. As for #10, the doors may be partaially
responsible but only because of a slightly bulkier B pillar. The problem
does not appear to be with weakness of the doors for side intrusion but
the fact that the head can contact the B pillar. This of course is not
unique to the door design.
The Element is not for everyone whether you like the appearance or need
the features. But if you need utility with some comfort and bonus
options (seating, A/C, high end audio) with an easy to care for interior
and seating for 4 is enough it is a great value. Of the vehicles I
considered I came in at about $3K - $5K less for equivalent features and
some things they could not offer.
YMMV,
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com
#87
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Element
In article <MPG.1aabb9f14dd644dd98968f@news.comcast.giganews. com>,
Tim <anon@anonymous.com> wrote:
> Here's my take on the Element.
>
> 1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
> 2. Lots of room for stuff.
> 3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
> can be easily cleaned).
> 4. Decent power in the engine.
> 5. Good ground clearance.
> 6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
> 7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
> to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
> debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
> 8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
> 9. Decent mileage.
> 10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
>
> In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
> value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
> increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
I would concur with all but #6 and #10
I have had mine for about a year and have 45K miles already. I have an
80 mile round trip daily commute in ATL traffic. I considered the Saturn
Vue, Jeep Liberty, Subaru Forrester as options. The Element was the best
value in my opinion. the Jeep Liberty is a better vehicle if you intend
serious off roading but is short on some other offerings you get in the
Element.
For outright usable space the Element is hard to beat. I carry few
passengers but the rear seating is comfortable and has nice headroom
even for those over 6 feet. Rear passengers benefit from sitting
slightly higher than the front seats so you have forward visibility
which may offer benefits on longer trips.
The ride is supple and stable for an SUV or most mid size cars. I have
not used mine in 'off road' situtations as I do not consider it well
suited for that. The AWD does offer some great safety im my opinion
though. I previously drove a Jetta and the wet weather driving always
scared me a bit. Driving in some heavy down pours with the Element gave
little indication of loss of traction at moderate speeds I would not
have driven in the Jetta. My wife has a BMW 325 and though I may be
biased it seems that the Element is nearly as quite inside. When I first
bought it there did seem to be some transmitted road noise inside the
boxy interior. There is not undue wind noise ( I also have a Jeep and
know what wind noise can be). Mine seems to be quieter as I have
increased miles. I had a regular mainteance that included replacing the
air conditioning/vent filter. They apparently allowed a leaf to drop in
and it was making contact with the fan. It was a very slight ticking
sound but I could hear it clearly while driving.
I do get off on the beach occasionally and on trip down to St. Augustine
during a storm we rode down the beach and came to a point I figured we
should turn back. Really it was just a bit too far. I made a turn and
realized I was in freshly deposited sand from the surf. Getting stuck
would have been disatrous as the tide was coming in fast. I did not get
out to look at the tracks but I could see that the tires were deep and I
am fortunate the bottom did not drag (or enough) to stop me.
Great radio (maybe could use a bit better speakers for high end
frequencies).
Re #6 I covered that above. As for #10, the doors may be partaially
responsible but only because of a slightly bulkier B pillar. The problem
does not appear to be with weakness of the doors for side intrusion but
the fact that the head can contact the B pillar. This of course is not
unique to the door design.
The Element is not for everyone whether you like the appearance or need
the features. But if you need utility with some comfort and bonus
options (seating, A/C, high end audio) with an easy to care for interior
and seating for 4 is enough it is a great value. Of the vehicles I
considered I came in at about $3K - $5K less for equivalent features and
some things they could not offer.
YMMV,
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com
Tim <anon@anonymous.com> wrote:
> Here's my take on the Element.
>
> 1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
> 2. Lots of room for stuff.
> 3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
> can be easily cleaned).
> 4. Decent power in the engine.
> 5. Good ground clearance.
> 6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
> 7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
> to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
> debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
> 8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
> 9. Decent mileage.
> 10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
>
> In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
> value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
> increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
I would concur with all but #6 and #10
I have had mine for about a year and have 45K miles already. I have an
80 mile round trip daily commute in ATL traffic. I considered the Saturn
Vue, Jeep Liberty, Subaru Forrester as options. The Element was the best
value in my opinion. the Jeep Liberty is a better vehicle if you intend
serious off roading but is short on some other offerings you get in the
Element.
For outright usable space the Element is hard to beat. I carry few
passengers but the rear seating is comfortable and has nice headroom
even for those over 6 feet. Rear passengers benefit from sitting
slightly higher than the front seats so you have forward visibility
which may offer benefits on longer trips.
The ride is supple and stable for an SUV or most mid size cars. I have
not used mine in 'off road' situtations as I do not consider it well
suited for that. The AWD does offer some great safety im my opinion
though. I previously drove a Jetta and the wet weather driving always
scared me a bit. Driving in some heavy down pours with the Element gave
little indication of loss of traction at moderate speeds I would not
have driven in the Jetta. My wife has a BMW 325 and though I may be
biased it seems that the Element is nearly as quite inside. When I first
bought it there did seem to be some transmitted road noise inside the
boxy interior. There is not undue wind noise ( I also have a Jeep and
know what wind noise can be). Mine seems to be quieter as I have
increased miles. I had a regular mainteance that included replacing the
air conditioning/vent filter. They apparently allowed a leaf to drop in
and it was making contact with the fan. It was a very slight ticking
sound but I could hear it clearly while driving.
I do get off on the beach occasionally and on trip down to St. Augustine
during a storm we rode down the beach and came to a point I figured we
should turn back. Really it was just a bit too far. I made a turn and
realized I was in freshly deposited sand from the surf. Getting stuck
would have been disatrous as the tide was coming in fast. I did not get
out to look at the tracks but I could see that the tires were deep and I
am fortunate the bottom did not drag (or enough) to stop me.
Great radio (maybe could use a bit better speakers for high end
frequencies).
Re #6 I covered that above. As for #10, the doors may be partaially
responsible but only because of a slightly bulkier B pillar. The problem
does not appear to be with weakness of the doors for side intrusion but
the fact that the head can contact the B pillar. This of course is not
unique to the door design.
The Element is not for everyone whether you like the appearance or need
the features. But if you need utility with some comfort and bonus
options (seating, A/C, high end audio) with an easy to care for interior
and seating for 4 is enough it is a great value. Of the vehicles I
considered I came in at about $3K - $5K less for equivalent features and
some things they could not offer.
YMMV,
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com
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Re: Element
In article <MPG.1aabb9f14dd644dd98968f@news.comcast.giganews. com>,
Tim <anon@anonymous.com> wrote:
> Here's my take on the Element.
>
> 1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
> 2. Lots of room for stuff.
> 3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
> can be easily cleaned).
> 4. Decent power in the engine.
> 5. Good ground clearance.
> 6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
> 7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
> to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
> debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
> 8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
> 9. Decent mileage.
> 10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
>
> In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
> value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
> increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
I would concur with all but #6 and #10
I have had mine for about a year and have 45K miles already. I have an
80 mile round trip daily commute in ATL traffic. I considered the Saturn
Vue, Jeep Liberty, Subaru Forrester as options. The Element was the best
value in my opinion. the Jeep Liberty is a better vehicle if you intend
serious off roading but is short on some other offerings you get in the
Element.
For outright usable space the Element is hard to beat. I carry few
passengers but the rear seating is comfortable and has nice headroom
even for those over 6 feet. Rear passengers benefit from sitting
slightly higher than the front seats so you have forward visibility
which may offer benefits on longer trips.
The ride is supple and stable for an SUV or most mid size cars. I have
not used mine in 'off road' situtations as I do not consider it well
suited for that. The AWD does offer some great safety im my opinion
though. I previously drove a Jetta and the wet weather driving always
scared me a bit. Driving in some heavy down pours with the Element gave
little indication of loss of traction at moderate speeds I would not
have driven in the Jetta. My wife has a BMW 325 and though I may be
biased it seems that the Element is nearly as quite inside. When I first
bought it there did seem to be some transmitted road noise inside the
boxy interior. There is not undue wind noise ( I also have a Jeep and
know what wind noise can be). Mine seems to be quieter as I have
increased miles. I had a regular mainteance that included replacing the
air conditioning/vent filter. They apparently allowed a leaf to drop in
and it was making contact with the fan. It was a very slight ticking
sound but I could hear it clearly while driving.
I do get off on the beach occasionally and on trip down to St. Augustine
during a storm we rode down the beach and came to a point I figured we
should turn back. Really it was just a bit too far. I made a turn and
realized I was in freshly deposited sand from the surf. Getting stuck
would have been disatrous as the tide was coming in fast. I did not get
out to look at the tracks but I could see that the tires were deep and I
am fortunate the bottom did not drag (or enough) to stop me.
Great radio (maybe could use a bit better speakers for high end
frequencies).
Re #6 I covered that above. As for #10, the doors may be partaially
responsible but only because of a slightly bulkier B pillar. The problem
does not appear to be with weakness of the doors for side intrusion but
the fact that the head can contact the B pillar. This of course is not
unique to the door design.
The Element is not for everyone whether you like the appearance or need
the features. But if you need utility with some comfort and bonus
options (seating, A/C, high end audio) with an easy to care for interior
and seating for 4 is enough it is a great value. Of the vehicles I
considered I came in at about $3K - $5K less for equivalent features and
some things they could not offer.
YMMV,
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com
Tim <anon@anonymous.com> wrote:
> Here's my take on the Element.
>
> 1. Seats 4 and only 4 (no 5th seatbelt or seat)
> 2. Lots of room for stuff.
> 3. Flexible utilitarian interior (can fold seats up and interior
> can be easily cleaned).
> 4. Decent power in the engine.
> 5. Good ground clearance.
> 6. Relatively noisy cabin -- not a quiet ride.
> 7. Good frontal-crash rating but Poor side-crash rating according
> to IIHS.ORG -- high likelihood of seriously life-threatening or
> debilitating injury to torso/head/neck in a 40mph side collision.
> 8. Light off-road and light hauling capability.
> 9. Decent mileage.
> 10. Door-design inconvenient if you often have rear passengers.
>
> In short, a good value if you want to carry stuff but a dubious
> value if you want to carry people. Door design signficantly
> increases risk of serious injury in a side-impact crash.
I would concur with all but #6 and #10
I have had mine for about a year and have 45K miles already. I have an
80 mile round trip daily commute in ATL traffic. I considered the Saturn
Vue, Jeep Liberty, Subaru Forrester as options. The Element was the best
value in my opinion. the Jeep Liberty is a better vehicle if you intend
serious off roading but is short on some other offerings you get in the
Element.
For outright usable space the Element is hard to beat. I carry few
passengers but the rear seating is comfortable and has nice headroom
even for those over 6 feet. Rear passengers benefit from sitting
slightly higher than the front seats so you have forward visibility
which may offer benefits on longer trips.
The ride is supple and stable for an SUV or most mid size cars. I have
not used mine in 'off road' situtations as I do not consider it well
suited for that. The AWD does offer some great safety im my opinion
though. I previously drove a Jetta and the wet weather driving always
scared me a bit. Driving in some heavy down pours with the Element gave
little indication of loss of traction at moderate speeds I would not
have driven in the Jetta. My wife has a BMW 325 and though I may be
biased it seems that the Element is nearly as quite inside. When I first
bought it there did seem to be some transmitted road noise inside the
boxy interior. There is not undue wind noise ( I also have a Jeep and
know what wind noise can be). Mine seems to be quieter as I have
increased miles. I had a regular mainteance that included replacing the
air conditioning/vent filter. They apparently allowed a leaf to drop in
and it was making contact with the fan. It was a very slight ticking
sound but I could hear it clearly while driving.
I do get off on the beach occasionally and on trip down to St. Augustine
during a storm we rode down the beach and came to a point I figured we
should turn back. Really it was just a bit too far. I made a turn and
realized I was in freshly deposited sand from the surf. Getting stuck
would have been disatrous as the tide was coming in fast. I did not get
out to look at the tracks but I could see that the tires were deep and I
am fortunate the bottom did not drag (or enough) to stop me.
Great radio (maybe could use a bit better speakers for high end
frequencies).
Re #6 I covered that above. As for #10, the doors may be partaially
responsible but only because of a slightly bulkier B pillar. The problem
does not appear to be with weakness of the doors for side intrusion but
the fact that the head can contact the B pillar. This of course is not
unique to the door design.
The Element is not for everyone whether you like the appearance or need
the features. But if you need utility with some comfort and bonus
options (seating, A/C, high end audio) with an easy to care for interior
and seating for 4 is enough it is a great value. Of the vehicles I
considered I came in at about $3K - $5K less for equivalent features and
some things they could not offer.
YMMV,
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com
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