Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

For the Highway Loss Data Institute's ** actual ** position on DRLs,
see: http://www.iihs.org/safety_facts/qanda/drl.htm

Numerous insurance companies offer discounts for their use... Think
about it.


me wrote:

>Here is a bit of text regarding DRL's from the following website.
>
>The first, last and only large scale U.S. study that has been completed and
>published on the effects of DRLs as safety devices, was conducted by the
>insurance industry supported Highway Loss Data Institute. The results;
>vehicles equipped with DRLs were involved in more accidents than similar
>vehicles without DRLs. The difference was minimal. but the meaning was
>strait forward, DRLs aggravate other motorists, obscure directional lights,
>waste fuel, "mask" other road users that don't have headlights on, or don't
>have headlights period (pedestrians and bicyclists) and their net effect on
>accident reduction is zero or worse.
>

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"me" <me@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:o5%fd.260877$wV.29450@attbi_s54...
> Here is a bit of text regarding DRL's from the following website.
>
> The first, last and only large scale U.S. study that has been completed
and
> published on the effects of DRLs as safety devices, was conducted by the
> insurance industry supported Highway Loss Data Institute. The results;
> vehicles equipped with DRLs were involved in more accidents than similar
> vehicles without DRLs. The difference was minimal. but the meaning was
> strait forward, DRLs aggravate other motorists, obscure directional
lights,
> waste fuel, "mask" other road users that don't have headlights on, or
don't
> have headlights period (pedestrians and bicyclists) and their net effect
on
> accident reduction is zero or worse.

That's a crock!

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"me" <me@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:o5%fd.260877$wV.29450@attbi_s54...
> Here is a bit of text regarding DRL's from the following website.
>
> The first, last and only large scale U.S. study that has been completed
and
> published on the effects of DRLs as safety devices, was conducted by the
> insurance industry supported Highway Loss Data Institute. The results;
> vehicles equipped with DRLs were involved in more accidents than similar
> vehicles without DRLs. The difference was minimal. but the meaning was
> strait forward, DRLs aggravate other motorists, obscure directional
lights,
> waste fuel, "mask" other road users that don't have headlights on, or
don't
> have headlights period (pedestrians and bicyclists) and their net effect
on
> accident reduction is zero or worse.

That's a crock!

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"me" <me@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:L2%fd.260867$wV.229842@attbi_s54...
> The big lie about DRL's being safe. It's proven that they don't do any
> good.

The opposite has been proven in other countries in the world to be true.

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"me" <me@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:L2%fd.260867$wV.229842@attbi_s54...
> The big lie about DRL's being safe. It's proven that they don't do any
> good.

The opposite has been proven in other countries in the world to be true.

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

In article <4180D772.2080007@RWMann.com>, RWM@RWMann.com says...

>For the Highway Loss Data Institute's ** actual ** position on DRLs,
>see: http://www.iihs.org/safety_facts/qanda/drl.htm
>Numerous insurance companies offer discounts for their use... Think
>about it.

Read the part about reducing light out put to European levels. Also it
seems that only GM is stupid enough to use high beams as DRL's. Another
really stupid idea that is not addressed. The only folks in the US pushing
for DRL's is GM. DRL's also do nothing that a smart driver can't do on
their own. DRL's that use high beams do bother other motorists on the road.
And as I mentioned before, it will cause a lot of stupid drivers to drive
around at night without turning on their lights, which means they are blacked
out to the rear, because they thinkg DRL's are ok to drive with at night.
The IIHS is biased. They are fully funded by insurance companies, so all
their data always supports what is in the insurance companies best interest.
-------------
Alex

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

In article <4180D772.2080007@RWMann.com>, RWM@RWMann.com says...

>For the Highway Loss Data Institute's ** actual ** position on DRLs,
>see: http://www.iihs.org/safety_facts/qanda/drl.htm
>Numerous insurance companies offer discounts for their use... Think
>about it.

Read the part about reducing light out put to European levels. Also it
seems that only GM is stupid enough to use high beams as DRL's. Another
really stupid idea that is not addressed. The only folks in the US pushing
for DRL's is GM. DRL's also do nothing that a smart driver can't do on
their own. DRL's that use high beams do bother other motorists on the road.
And as I mentioned before, it will cause a lot of stupid drivers to drive
around at night without turning on their lights, which means they are blacked
out to the rear, because they thinkg DRL's are ok to drive with at night.
The IIHS is biased. They are fully funded by insurance companies, so all
their data always supports what is in the insurance companies best interest.
-------------
Alex

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

In article <z_4gd.12724$df2.10198@edtnps89>, Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada says...

>"me" <me@nospam.org> wrote in message
>news:L2%fd.260867$wV.229842@attbi_s54...
>> The big lie about DRL's being safe. It's proven that they don't do any
>> good.
>The opposite has been proven in other countries in the world to be true.

Other countries have smarter implementations of DRL's.
------------
Alex

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

In article <z_4gd.12724$df2.10198@edtnps89>, Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada says...

>"me" <me@nospam.org> wrote in message
>news:L2%fd.260867$wV.229842@attbi_s54...
>> The big lie about DRL's being safe. It's proven that they don't do any
>> good.
>The opposite has been proven in other countries in the world to be true.

Other countries have smarter implementations of DRL's.
------------
Alex

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:clrdtn$jd0$3@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
>
> Read the part about reducing light out put to European levels. Also it
> seems that only GM is stupid enough to use high beams as DRL's.

Honda uses the high beam lights (at reduced wattage) for their DRLs.

>Another
> really stupid idea that is not addressed. The only folks in the US
pushing
> for DRL's is GM. DRL's also do nothing that a smart driver can't do on
> their own. DRL's that use high beams do bother other motorists on the
road.

Not true.

> And as I mentioned before, it will cause a lot of stupid drivers to drive
> around at night without turning on their lights, which means they are
blacked
> out to the rear, because they thinkg DRL's are ok to drive with at night.

Nothing is going to help stupid drivers {;^)


--
Brian

A balanced diet is a chocolate chip cookie in each hand.

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:clrdtn$jd0$3@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
>
> Read the part about reducing light out put to European levels. Also it
> seems that only GM is stupid enough to use high beams as DRL's.

Honda uses the high beam lights (at reduced wattage) for their DRLs.

>Another
> really stupid idea that is not addressed. The only folks in the US
pushing
> for DRL's is GM. DRL's also do nothing that a smart driver can't do on
> their own. DRL's that use high beams do bother other motorists on the
road.

Not true.

> And as I mentioned before, it will cause a lot of stupid drivers to drive
> around at night without turning on their lights, which means they are
blacked
> out to the rear, because they thinkg DRL's are ok to drive with at night.

Nothing is going to help stupid drivers {;^)


--
Brian

A balanced diet is a chocolate chip cookie in each hand.

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:clrdv5$jd0$4@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
>
> >The opposite has been proven in other countries in the world to be true.
>
> Other countries have smarter implementations of DRL's.

In what way?

--
Brian

Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance
to the first.

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:clrdv5$jd0$4@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
>
> >The opposite has been proven in other countries in the world to be true.
>
> Other countries have smarter implementations of DRL's.

In what way?

--
Brian

Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance
to the first.

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

Here's my 2 cents.

I haven't really looked at the accident numbers but doesn't it make sense
that an increase in daytime lights would detract from the visibility of
motorcycles and hence be responsible for more motorcycle accidents? It used
to be when you saw lights during the day, it was either a motorcycle (or I
guess a drunk driver). Now with all the lights on everyone just blends in
with the crowd making motorcycles more hidden.

Mike H

"me" <me@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:L2%fd.260867$wV.229842@attbi_s54...
> The big lie about DRL's being safe. It's proven that they don't do any
> good.
>
> http://www.motorists.com/stealthis/lightsoff.html
>
>
> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
> news:wiOdd.23088$_u6.3811@edtnps89...
> >
> > "Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
> > news:cl6b92$sid$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
> >>
> >> It is stupid that an insurance company would give a discount for
> >> something
> >> that has no proven benefits. Also, high beam DRL's are stupid because
> >> the
> >> aiming of the light puts it right at eye level of other road users.
Even
> >> at reduced voltage, it is annoying.
> >
> > No proven benefits? You haven't read very much (if anything) on the
> > subject.
> > Years of testing were done in may countries, before DRLs were developed.
> >
> > --
> > Brian
> >
> > Ever stop to think... and forget to start again?
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

Here's my 2 cents.

I haven't really looked at the accident numbers but doesn't it make sense
that an increase in daytime lights would detract from the visibility of
motorcycles and hence be responsible for more motorcycle accidents? It used
to be when you saw lights during the day, it was either a motorcycle (or I
guess a drunk driver). Now with all the lights on everyone just blends in
with the crowd making motorcycles more hidden.

Mike H

"me" <me@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:L2%fd.260867$wV.229842@attbi_s54...
> The big lie about DRL's being safe. It's proven that they don't do any
> good.
>
> http://www.motorists.com/stealthis/lightsoff.html
>
>
> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
> news:wiOdd.23088$_u6.3811@edtnps89...
> >
> > "Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
> > news:cl6b92$sid$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
> >>
> >> It is stupid that an insurance company would give a discount for
> >> something
> >> that has no proven benefits. Also, high beam DRL's are stupid because
> >> the
> >> aiming of the light puts it right at eye level of other road users.
Even
> >> at reduced voltage, it is annoying.
> >
> > No proven benefits? You haven't read very much (if anything) on the
> > subject.
> > Years of testing were done in may countries, before DRLs were developed.
> >
> > --
> > Brian
> >
> > Ever stop to think... and forget to start again?
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

How on earth would DRL's make a bus more obvious to other drivers on the
road? Are you telling me that DRL's make it easier to see a huge bus? It
was proven that there was no reduction in accidents based on using DRL's. I
also find it true that it's harder to see someone's front turn signal
flashing when they have DRL's from a distance. The white light is brighter
than the small flashing turn signal. Just because insurance companies give
you a discount, doesn't mean that they are safer. Do you normally believe
everything your insurance company tells you?

On a side note, I can understand using them if it will save you money, but I
don't want to hear people preach about DRL's making a car safer.


"RWM" <RWM@RWMann.com> wrote in message news:4180D702.1080000@RWMann.com...
>
> For the Highway Loss Data Institute's ** actual ** position on DRLs, see:
> http://www.iihs.org/safety_facts/qanda/drl.htm
>
> Numerous insurance companies offer discounts for their use... Think about
> it.
>
>
> me wrote:
>
>>The big lie about DRL's being safe. It's proven that they don't do any
>>good.
>>

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

How on earth would DRL's make a bus more obvious to other drivers on the
road? Are you telling me that DRL's make it easier to see a huge bus? It
was proven that there was no reduction in accidents based on using DRL's. I
also find it true that it's harder to see someone's front turn signal
flashing when they have DRL's from a distance. The white light is brighter
than the small flashing turn signal. Just because insurance companies give
you a discount, doesn't mean that they are safer. Do you normally believe
everything your insurance company tells you?

On a side note, I can understand using them if it will save you money, but I
don't want to hear people preach about DRL's making a car safer.


"RWM" <RWM@RWMann.com> wrote in message news:4180D702.1080000@RWMann.com...
>
> For the Highway Loss Data Institute's ** actual ** position on DRLs, see:
> http://www.iihs.org/safety_facts/qanda/drl.htm
>
> Numerous insurance companies offer discounts for their use... Think about
> it.
>
>
> me wrote:
>
>>The big lie about DRL's being safe. It's proven that they don't do any
>>good.
>>

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

It's a good thing you backed up your statements with facts. Thanks for
setting that website straight. You obviously provided some wonderful
sources for your insightful input.

Keep up the good work.

"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
news:x_4gd.12723$df2.689@edtnps89...

>
> That's a crock!
>
>

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

It's a good thing you backed up your statements with facts. Thanks for
setting that website straight. You obviously provided some wonderful
sources for your insightful input.

Keep up the good work.

"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
news:x_4gd.12723$df2.689@edtnps89...

>
> That's a crock!
>
>

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"me" <me@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:IDhgd.436436$mD.152342@attbi_s02...
> It's a good thing you backed up your statements with facts. Thanks for
> setting that website straight. You obviously provided some wonderful
> sources for your insightful input.
>
> Keep up the good work.

I should have said that you're a crock, I guess {;^)

I have read many things over the years about DRLs and none of them were on
the Internet. You might try a Library it's the old fashioned (but effective
way) of doing research. That and the fact that, I was brought up being told
if you want something, do it yourself.

--
Brian

Ever stop to think... and forget to start again?

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"me" <me@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:IDhgd.436436$mD.152342@attbi_s02...
> It's a good thing you backed up your statements with facts. Thanks for
> setting that website straight. You obviously provided some wonderful
> sources for your insightful input.
>
> Keep up the good work.

I should have said that you're a crock, I guess {;^)

I have read many things over the years about DRLs and none of them were on
the Internet. You might try a Library it's the old fashioned (but effective
way) of doing research. That and the fact that, I was brought up being told
if you want something, do it yourself.

--
Brian

Ever stop to think... and forget to start again?

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

In article <%rbgd.14998$df2.2016@edtnps89>, Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada says...
>"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
>news:clrdtn$jd0$3@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
>> Read the part about reducing light out put to European levels. Also it
>> seems that only GM is stupid enough to use high beams as DRL's.
>Honda uses the high beam lights (at reduced wattage) for their DRLs.
>>Another
>> really stupid idea that is not addressed. The only folks in the US
>pushing
>> for DRL's is GM. DRL's also do nothing that a smart driver can't do on
>> their own. DRL's that use high beams do bother other motorists on the
>road.
>Not true.

Huh? I know I don't like other cars shining their high beams in face. I'm
sure I am not the only person who feels this way.

>> And as I mentioned before, it will cause a lot of stupid drivers to drive
>> around at night without turning on their lights, which means they are
>blacked
>> out to the rear, because they thinkg DRL's are ok to drive with at night.
>
>Nothing is going to help stupid drivers {;^)

True, but we should try to not complicate things for them. Without DRL's
they will realize they need to turn out their lights when the road in front
of them is dark.
-----------------
Alex

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

In article <%rbgd.14998$df2.2016@edtnps89>, Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada says...
>"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
>news:clrdtn$jd0$3@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
>> Read the part about reducing light out put to European levels. Also it
>> seems that only GM is stupid enough to use high beams as DRL's.
>Honda uses the high beam lights (at reduced wattage) for their DRLs.
>>Another
>> really stupid idea that is not addressed. The only folks in the US
>pushing
>> for DRL's is GM. DRL's also do nothing that a smart driver can't do on
>> their own. DRL's that use high beams do bother other motorists on the
>road.
>Not true.

Huh? I know I don't like other cars shining their high beams in face. I'm
sure I am not the only person who feels this way.

>> And as I mentioned before, it will cause a lot of stupid drivers to drive
>> around at night without turning on their lights, which means they are
>blacked
>> out to the rear, because they thinkg DRL's are ok to drive with at night.
>
>Nothing is going to help stupid drivers {;^)

True, but we should try to not complicate things for them. Without DRL's
they will realize they need to turn out their lights when the road in front
of them is dark.
-----------------
Alex

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

In article <Isbgd.15001$df2.8703@edtnps89>,
Brian Smith <Halifax@Novascotia.Canada> wrote:
>"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
>news:clrdv5$jd0$4@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
>>
>> >The opposite has been proven in other countries in the world to be true.
>>
>> Other countries have smarter implementations of DRL's.
>
>In what way?

In many other countries, optional or mandatory DRLs must be white, and
have a narrowly defined range of light intensity, in order to be effective
as DRLs without creating too much glare in low light conditions.

In the US and Canada, high beams which create too much glare in low light
conditions (e.g. in the evening if the driver forgets to turn on the
regular low beam headlamps) and turn signals which can give false signals
if glanced at briefly (e.g. if the glance occurs when the signaling side
is in the off phase) are commonly used as DRLs.

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Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

In article <Isbgd.15001$df2.8703@edtnps89>,
Brian Smith <Halifax@Novascotia.Canada> wrote:
>"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
>news:clrdv5$jd0$4@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
>>
>> >The opposite has been proven in other countries in the world to be true.
>>
>> Other countries have smarter implementations of DRL's.
>
>In what way?

In many other countries, optional or mandatory DRLs must be white, and
have a narrowly defined range of light intensity, in order to be effective
as DRLs without creating too much glare in low light conditions.

In the US and Canada, high beams which create too much glare in low light
conditions (e.g. in the evening if the driver forgets to turn on the
regular low beam headlamps) and turn signals which can give false signals
if glanced at briefly (e.g. if the glance occurs when the signaling side
is in the off phase) are commonly used as DRLs.

--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome.
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

In article <Isbgd.15001$df2.8703@edtnps89>, Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada says...
>"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
>news:clrdv5$jd0$4@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
>> >The opposite has been proven in other countries in the world to be true.
>> Other countries have smarter implementations of DRL's.
>
>In what way?

Very sharp cutoff of the beam pattern. High beams are not allowed to be
used as DRL's.
----------------
Alex

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

In article <Isbgd.15001$df2.8703@edtnps89>, Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada says...
>"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
>news:clrdv5$jd0$4@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
>> >The opposite has been proven in other countries in the world to be true.
>> Other countries have smarter implementations of DRL's.
>
>In what way?

Very sharp cutoff of the beam pattern. High beams are not allowed to be
used as DRL's.
----------------
Alex

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

In article <clrdtn$jd0$3@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Alex Rodriguez <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote:
>Read the part about reducing light out put to European levels. Also it
>seems that only GM is stupid enough to use high beams as DRL's.

Toyota and BMW use high beams as DRLs in the US. A number of other
companies also use high beams as DRLs in Canada (for cars which are
not equipped with DRLs in the US). GM may have been pushing the
annoying high beam DRLs, but others are following.

--
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Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

In article <clrdtn$jd0$3@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Alex Rodriguez <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote:
>Read the part about reducing light out put to European levels. Also it
>seems that only GM is stupid enough to use high beams as DRL's.

Toyota and BMW use high beams as DRLs in the US. A number of other
companies also use high beams as DRLs in Canada (for cars which are
not equipped with DRLs in the US). GM may have been pushing the
annoying high beam DRLs, but others are following.

--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome.
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

So anyone who states facts and quotes a pretty reliable source is a crock.
Are you saying that no facts can be found on the internet and we must go to
the library to be as enlightened as you? How long does it take for
information to reach the library? It's pretty safe to say that a lot of
information and books at public libraries are out of date and in some cases
completely false. It's next to impossible to go in and edit a book once it
has been printed and placed on a library shelf. Well, maybe you were using
special Internet Library Computer that has access to facts that aren't found
by us home internet users.

How on earth does wanting something and doing it yourself apply to a topic
regarding DRL's? Based upon that idiotic remark, I conclude that you mean
we should all develop our own DRL system because none of the automotive
engineers are as capable as you. It's probably because they use computers
and don't have access to your magical Library.

I just figured it out, you must be a Professor at Hogwarts and have access
to all of the books in the Hogwarts Library.




"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
news:KAqgd.28533$df2.28323@edtnps89...
>
> "me" <me@nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:IDhgd.436436$mD.152342@attbi_s02...
>> It's a good thing you backed up your statements with facts. Thanks for
>> setting that website straight. You obviously provided some wonderful
>> sources for your insightful input.
>>
>> Keep up the good work.
>
> I should have said that you're a crock, I guess {;^)
>
> I have read many things over the years about DRLs and none of them were on
> the Internet. You might try a Library it's the old fashioned (but
> effective
> way) of doing research. That and the fact that, I was brought up being
> told
> if you want something, do it yourself.
>
> --
> Brian
>
> Ever stop to think... and forget to start again?
>
>

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

So anyone who states facts and quotes a pretty reliable source is a crock.
Are you saying that no facts can be found on the internet and we must go to
the library to be as enlightened as you? How long does it take for
information to reach the library? It's pretty safe to say that a lot of
information and books at public libraries are out of date and in some cases
completely false. It's next to impossible to go in and edit a book once it
has been printed and placed on a library shelf. Well, maybe you were using
special Internet Library Computer that has access to facts that aren't found
by us home internet users.

How on earth does wanting something and doing it yourself apply to a topic
regarding DRL's? Based upon that idiotic remark, I conclude that you mean
we should all develop our own DRL system because none of the automotive
engineers are as capable as you. It's probably because they use computers
and don't have access to your magical Library.

I just figured it out, you must be a Professor at Hogwarts and have access
to all of the books in the Hogwarts Library.




"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
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>
> "me" <me@nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:IDhgd.436436$mD.152342@attbi_s02...
>> It's a good thing you backed up your statements with facts. Thanks for
>> setting that website straight. You obviously provided some wonderful
>> sources for your insightful input.
>>
>> Keep up the good work.
>
> I should have said that you're a crock, I guess {;^)
>
> I have read many things over the years about DRLs and none of them were on
> the Internet. You might try a Library it's the old fashioned (but
> effective
> way) of doing research. That and the fact that, I was brought up being
> told
> if you want something, do it yourself.
>
> --
> Brian
>
> Ever stop to think... and forget to start again?
>
>

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"me" <me@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>

You've missed the point completely. What I said was, that I had read a
number of articles years ago about the benefits of DRLs. The other part I
said was that I do not have the time to do your research. If you want to
read about something, look it up yourself.

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"me" <me@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>

You've missed the point completely. What I said was, that I had read a
number of articles years ago about the benefits of DRLs. The other part I
said was that I do not have the time to do your research. If you want to
read about something, look it up yourself.

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"Timothy J. Lee" <remove22@sonic.net> wrote in message
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>
> In many other countries, optional or mandatory DRLs must be white, and
> have a narrowly defined range of light intensity, in order to be effective
> as DRLs without creating too much glare in low light conditions.
>
> In the US and Canada, high beams which create too much glare in low light
> conditions (e.g. in the evening if the driver forgets to turn on the
> regular low beam headlamps) and turn signals which can give false signals
> if glanced at briefly (e.g. if the glance occurs when the signaling side
> is in the off phase) are commonly used as DRLs.

I agree with the parking lights being used as DRLs being a bad idea.
However, I don't find that the lower wattage output of the high beams, give
an extraordinary amount of glare back to the driver in low light or foggy or
snowy conditions.

--
Brian

Why don't they make cat flavoured dog food?

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"Timothy J. Lee" <remove22@sonic.net> wrote in message
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>
> In many other countries, optional or mandatory DRLs must be white, and
> have a narrowly defined range of light intensity, in order to be effective
> as DRLs without creating too much glare in low light conditions.
>
> In the US and Canada, high beams which create too much glare in low light
> conditions (e.g. in the evening if the driver forgets to turn on the
> regular low beam headlamps) and turn signals which can give false signals
> if glanced at briefly (e.g. if the glance occurs when the signaling side
> is in the off phase) are commonly used as DRLs.

I agree with the parking lights being used as DRLs being a bad idea.
However, I don't find that the lower wattage output of the high beams, give
an extraordinary amount of glare back to the driver in low light or foggy or
snowy conditions.

--
Brian

Why don't they make cat flavoured dog food?

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Very sharp cutoff of the beam pattern. High beams are not allowed to be
> used as DRL's.

That's interesting. Do you realize that the majority of vehicles in Canada
are equipped with high beam (lower wattage output) DRLs?

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Very sharp cutoff of the beam pattern. High beams are not allowed to be
> used as DRL's.

That's interesting. Do you realize that the majority of vehicles in Canada
are equipped with high beam (lower wattage output) DRLs?

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

Alex Rodriguez wrote:

> In article <%rbgd.14998$df2.2016@edtnps89>, Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada says...
>
>>"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
>>news:clrdtn$jd0$3@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu.. .
>>
>>>Read the part about reducing light out put to European levels. Also it
>>>seems that only GM is stupid enough to use high beams as DRL's.
>>
>>Honda uses the high beam lights (at reduced wattage) for their DRLs.
>>
>>>Another
>>>really stupid idea that is not addressed. The only folks in the US
>>
>>pushing
>>
>>>for DRL's is GM. DRL's also do nothing that a smart driver can't do on
>>>their own. DRL's that use high beams do bother other motorists on the
>>
>>road.
>>Not true.
>
>
> Huh? I know I don't like other cars shining their high beams in face. I'm
> sure I am not the only person who feels this way.
>
>
>>>And as I mentioned before, it will cause a lot of stupid drivers to drive
>>>around at night without turning on their lights, which means they are
>>
>>blacked
>>
>>>out to the rear, because they thinkg DRL's are ok to drive with at night.
>>
>>Nothing is going to help stupid drivers {;^)
>
>
> True, but we should try to not complicate things for them. Without DRL's
> they will realize they need to turn out their lights when the road in front
> of them is dark.

IMHO you're overly optimistic here, A-Rod.

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

Alex Rodriguez wrote:

> In article <%rbgd.14998$df2.2016@edtnps89>, Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada says...
>
>>"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
>>news:clrdtn$jd0$3@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu.. .
>>
>>>Read the part about reducing light out put to European levels. Also it
>>>seems that only GM is stupid enough to use high beams as DRL's.
>>
>>Honda uses the high beam lights (at reduced wattage) for their DRLs.
>>
>>>Another
>>>really stupid idea that is not addressed. The only folks in the US
>>
>>pushing
>>
>>>for DRL's is GM. DRL's also do nothing that a smart driver can't do on
>>>their own. DRL's that use high beams do bother other motorists on the
>>
>>road.
>>Not true.
>
>
> Huh? I know I don't like other cars shining their high beams in face. I'm
> sure I am not the only person who feels this way.
>
>
>>>And as I mentioned before, it will cause a lot of stupid drivers to drive
>>>around at night without turning on their lights, which means they are
>>
>>blacked
>>
>>>out to the rear, because they thinkg DRL's are ok to drive with at night.
>>
>>Nothing is going to help stupid drivers {;^)
>
>
> True, but we should try to not complicate things for them. Without DRL's
> they will realize they need to turn out their lights when the road in front
> of them is dark.

IMHO you're overly optimistic here, A-Rod.

Re: Enable DRL on 2005 US Spec CR-V?
 

In article <BUDgd.40004$9b.239@edtnps84>,
Brian Smith <Halifax@Novascotia.Canada> wrote:
>I agree with the parking lights being used as DRLs being a bad idea.
>However, I don't find that the lower wattage output of the high beams, give
>an extraordinary amount of glare back to the driver in low light or foggy or
>snowy conditions.

Lower wattage high beams do get annoying to _other_ drivers when used in
overcast or near dusk conditions.

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