Joe

On 2008-11-13, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>But Â’SheeshÂ’ is also not in the English dictionary.
>
> Um, yes it is. Oxford. Get the full edition (roughly 4 pounds).

It costs more than that... ;-)


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Grumpy AuContraire

Dillon Pyron wrote:
> Thus spake Brian Smith <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> :
>
>
>>James Sweet wrote:
>>
>>>"Text speak" hits a nerve with me, I don't even use it in text messages
>>>and cringe when I see it. It's more difficult to read and has a juvenile
>>>and unprofessional appearance. Unless you're charged money by the
>>>keystroke, then I recommend taking the time to at least attempt proper
>>>spelling and grammar. It's not so much being on a high horse, just a
>>>friendly suggestion that taking some time to post something easily read
>>>is more likely to get you a helpful response rather than people
>>>discounting you as just some stupid kid. When you have a full sized
>>>keyboard in front of you, how long does it really take to type a few
>>>more letters? You wouldn't use text speak on a resume cover letter or
>>>business proposal would you? Take the time to ask nicely for advice, and
>>>someone is more likely to take the time to give you a nice response.
>>>Text speak in a public forum is like showing up to the office or a town
>>>hall meeting in boxer shorts or fuzzy pajamas and bunny slippers; you
>>>may be comfortable, but it will be difficult for others to take you
>>>seriously and reflects negatively on you. Sadly, an English teacher
>>>friend of mine says that text spelling is even starting to show up in
>>>homework assignments at the highschool level.
>>
>> Illiterate lazy people's English is what it should be called. It's an
>>insult to the rest of us who use the language properly.
>
>
> I am very picky. In fact, I rarely even use contractions. Folks for
> whom English is a second language get a break, mostly because they do
> a better job than I would with their language. But I also have a
> friend who is a Toastmaster (Advance Toastmaster Gold, if that means
> anything to you) who speaks on grammar and spelling. And is a
> Filipino who didn't learn English until college.


While I would hesitate to consider myself a wordsmith, I try to observe
the basic rules of grammar and spelling. Sometimes, (more often than I
like), the plel chekker fails me.

Regarding Toastmasters, I was a member of the local group when I worked
on Kwajalein in the 1970's. This is an organization that is truly
worthwhile.

But youse bettah wachout if'n my kinfolk, (Mafioso), git ticked but
y'all git along down the road, (Texan).

Heh!

JT

Enrico Fermi

"Dillon Pyron" <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:15dnh4tn3o58srg2p8vchne8cqafkfs4bm@4ax.com...
> Thus spake dejavo <none@000.com> :
>
>>Sheesh, does anyone know how to spell anymore?
>>
>>
>>Thank you for your assistance. On the spelling, using 'u' for you and
>>'ur' for your, does not mean I don't know how to spell, if it is not
>>acceptable to you, fine by me.
>
> No, it means your too damn lazy

BTW, it is spelled "you're too damned lazy.." but why quibble?
It is difficult to say which is more nearly egregious; the brainless
text-message style contractions of the original poster or the rush to
judgment by the critics of this person. IMO (is that contraction OK with you
language police?) the appropriate response to what might be perceived as
spelling idiocy is, "I am upset by your contractions" or "I feel the taxes I
paid for public education have been a waste" or whatever. To conclude that
the original poster is a lazy person is lazy thinking. This person may very
well be hugely ambitious and accomplished. The critics may very well be
losers with their dicks in their hands. Who knows? Who cares? Best advice:
Don't judge before all the facts are in.

Dillon Pyron

Thus spake Joe <joe@no-spam.hits-nospam-buffalo.com> :

>On 2008-11-13, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>But ?Sheesh? is also not in the English dictionary.
>>
>> Um, yes it is. Oxford. Get the full edition (roughly 4 pounds).
>
>It costs more than that... ;-)

I would have said 4 quid (also found there)

jim beam

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:31:49 -0600, Enrico Fermi wrote:

> "Dillon Pyron" <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:15dnh4tn3o58srg2p8vchne8cqafkfs4bm@4ax.com...
>> Thus spake dejavo <none@000.com> :
>>
>>>Sheesh, does anyone know how to spell anymore?
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank you for your assistance. On the spelling, using 'u' for you and
>>>'ur' for your, does not mean I don't know how to spell, if it is not
>>>acceptable to you, fine by me.
>>
>> No, it means your too damn lazy
>
> BTW, it is spelled "you're too damned lazy.." but why quibble? It is
> difficult to say which is more nearly egregious; the brainless
> text-message style contractions of the original poster or the rush to
> judgment by the critics of this person. IMO (is that contraction OK with
> you language police?) the appropriate response to what might be
> perceived as spelling idiocy is, "I am upset by your contractions" or "I
> feel the taxes I paid for public education have been a waste" or
> whatever. To conclude that the original poster is a lazy person is lazy
> thinking. This person may very well be hugely ambitious and
> accomplished. The critics may very well be losers with their dicks in
> their hands. Who knows? Who cares? Best advice: Don't judge before all
> the facts are in.

there's one huge fact staring this thread in the face: out of 18
responses, only two begin to address the question. all the rest are
irrelevant bullshit. and it's the irrelevant bullshit that's getting the
traffic. i don't know why these people don't just go watch tv. at least
with tv, the stupidity is not duplex.

Dillon Pyron

Thus spake "Enrico Fermi" <noone@nowhere.com> :

>
>"Dillon Pyron" <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:15dnh4tn3o58srg2p8vchne8cqafkfs4bm@4ax.com.. .
>> Thus spake dejavo <none@000.com> :
>>
>>>Sheesh, does anyone know how to spell anymore?
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank you for your assistance. On the spelling, using 'u' for you and
>>>'ur' for your, does not mean I don't know how to spell, if it is not
>>>acceptable to you, fine by me.
>>
>> No, it means your too damn lazy
>
>BTW, it is spelled "you're too damned lazy.."

You are correct. Which obviously makes me an ignorant .

> but why quibble?
>It is difficult to say which is more nearly egregious; the brainless
>text-message style contractions of the original poster or the rush to
>judgment by the critics of this person. IMO (is that contraction OK with you
>language police?) the appropriate response to what might be perceived as
>spelling idiocy is, "I am upset by your contractions" or "I feel the taxes I
>paid for public education have been a waste" or whatever. To conclude that
>the original poster is a lazy person is lazy thinking. This person may very
>well be hugely ambitious and accomplished. The critics may very well be
>losers with their dicks in their hands. Who knows? Who cares? Best advice:
>Don't judge before all the facts are in.

Okay. But I will say that the original poster will find little love
when looking for a job. Even in (especially in) the information
technology field. You must be able to communicate clearly. To
everyone. Not just the l33t.

>

Dan C

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:31:49 -0600, Enrico Fermi wrote:

> IMO (is that contraction OK with you language police?) the appropriate
> response to what might be perceived as spelling idiocy is, "I am upset
> by your contractions" or ... <snip>

"IMO" is not a contraction. It's an acronym. Look it up.

Also, the original poster wasn't using contractions, either. He was using
either: A) Abbreviations or B) Abominations of English grammar/
spelling. It certainly wasn't a case of contraction problems, though.

Better look that one up too.

> whatever. To conclude that the original poster is a lazy person is lazy
> thinking.

No, it's the most logical assessment of him, based on available
information.

> This person may very well be hugely ambitious and accomplished.

Very highly unlikely. Accomplished persons don't speak like that.

> The critics may very well be losers with their dicks in their hands. Who
> knows? Who cares?

Nothing wrong with a dick in the hand, if you can read/write like a
grownup...

> Best advice: Don't judge before all the facts are in.

There were enough facts in to make a judgement. It's not like there were
likely to be any more (facts) coming in at a later time.

Now, run along and go brush up on those terms I introduced you to, above.


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Enrico Fermi

>>> No, it means your too damn lazy
>>
>>BTW, it is spelled "you're too damned lazy.."
>
> You are correct. Which obviously makes me an ignorant .
It seems things that appear obvious to you are not so obvious to others.
Ignorant? I'm good with that. ? I don't think so. Lazy? Probably.
Freud said it best "A string of reproaches against other people leads one to
suspect the existence of a string of self-reproaches with the same content.
(Sigmund Freud)"
-snip
>>Don't judge before all the facts are in.
> Okay. But I will say that the original poster will find little love
> when looking for a job. Even in (especially in) the information
> technology field. You must be able to communicate clearly. To
> everyone. Not just the l33t.
Again, assumptions regarding the original poster. I have followed this
thread and can't conclude this person is looking for work. Perhaps he is
fabulously wealthy. Perhaps he lives in a cabin with no windows. We can't
tell. You might ask yourself, "What can I do to further my cause by acting
in my enlightened self-interest?"

Dillon Pyron

Thus spake "Enrico Fermi" <noone@nowhere.com> :

>
>>>> No, it means your too damn lazy
>>>
>>>BTW, it is spelled "you're too damned lazy.."
>>
>> You are correct. Which obviously makes me an ignorant .
>It seems things that appear obvious to you are not so obvious to others.
>Ignorant? I'm good with that. ? I don't think so. Lazy? Probably.
>Freud said it best "A string of reproaches against other people leads one to
>suspect the existence of a string of self-reproaches with the same content.
>(Sigmund Freud)"
>-snip
>>>Don't judge before all the facts are in.
> > Okay. But I will say that the original poster will find little love
>> when looking for a job. Even in (especially in) the information
>> technology field. You must be able to communicate clearly. To
>> everyone. Not just the l33t.
>Again, assumptions regarding the original poster. I have followed this
>thread and can't conclude this person is looking for work. Perhaps he is
>fabulously wealthy. Perhaps he lives in a cabin with no windows. We can't
>tell. You might ask yourself, "What can I do to further my cause by acting
>in my enlightened self-interest?"

No, the question should be "How can my thoughts, words and actions
better humanity?"

Helping someone learn how to properly speak or write is certainly a
small step in that direction.

bu7 i7z 2 k3wl 2 b l337

>

Michael Pardee

"Dillon Pyron" <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> No, the question should be "How can my thoughts, words and actions
> better humanity?"
>
> Helping someone learn how to properly speak or write is certainly a
> small step in that direction.
>

Here in the West we have somewhat relaxed rules of grammar. I talk of
Arizona as being a "y'all" optional state. Y'all can use that for the second
person plural, or use "you-uns" or "youse" without anybody getting too
upset. We even have cowboy talk: "Kinnec up thet thar lat bub wit bob war."
I agree with Steven Pinker: as long as people understand the meaning the
grammar is subordinate. (Even if we eschew obfuscation!)

A few years ago I was doing tower work with a co-worker, Dave, and I was
lowering a bag of gear to the ground... too slowly for Dave's taste, I
guess. Dave called, "Just let it go." I was taken aback by the strange
request so I asked for clarification, "You want me to just let it go?!?" He
repeated, "Yes, just let it go!" So I let it go. The bag plummeted 80 feet
and hit with a huge "whump!" Dave yelled back, "You can't just let it drop!"
And we're communications guys?

However, if one wants to present himself as being something more than a good
ol' boy or to lead more than a mob, the usual standards of decorum apply.

Mike