FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for
the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an
opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in
oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except
once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the
car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG
problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is
very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K
when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any
opinions?

Jim / NJ

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

Thanks! I did read that the break in oil should stay in for 7500 like the
dealer said before the first oil change. Maybe I'll do that and then 5k
changes w/ filter from then on.

"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Qnz_a.253398$R92.37141@news2.central.cox.net. ..
> I have a new Civic EX and I plan on changing oil at 5k, with filter. There
> is absolutley no reason not to change the filter, unless you don't mind
> reduced oil flow, it will save a couple of $..
>
> If you want to research oil or anything to do with it,
> http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/ is a very good site for information. Just
> read through some of the forums.
>
> "Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
> news:11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil
> for
> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have
an
> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
break
> in
> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
except
> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
the
> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
BIG
> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
is
> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
36K
> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
Any
> > opinions?
> >
> > Jim / NJ
> >
>
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

Thanks! I did read that the break in oil should stay in for 7500 like the
dealer said before the first oil change. Maybe I'll do that and then 5k
changes w/ filter from then on.

"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Qnz_a.253398$R92.37141@news2.central.cox.net. ..
> I have a new Civic EX and I plan on changing oil at 5k, with filter. There
> is absolutley no reason not to change the filter, unless you don't mind
> reduced oil flow, it will save a couple of $..
>
> If you want to research oil or anything to do with it,
> http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/ is a very good site for information. Just
> read through some of the forums.
>
> "Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
> news:11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil
> for
> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have
an
> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
break
> in
> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
except
> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
the
> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
BIG
> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
is
> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
36K
> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
Any
> > opinions?
> >
> > Jim / NJ
> >
>
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

"Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
news:4Cz_a.61340$_R5.22133892@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> Thanks! I did read that the break in oil should stay in for 7500 like the
> dealer said before the first oil change. Maybe I'll do that and then 5k
> changes w/ filter from then on.

That sounds like a *very* good idea.


Regards,
Steve
Ottawa

> "noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Qnz_a.253398$R92.37141@news2.central.cox.net. ..
> > I have a new Civic EX and I plan on changing oil at 5k, with filter.
There
> > is absolutley no reason not to change the filter, unless you don't mind
> > reduced oil flow, it will save a couple of $..
> >
> > If you want to research oil or anything to do with it,
> > http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/ is a very good site for information. Just
> > read through some of the forums.
> >
> > "Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
> > news:11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> > > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the
oil
> > for
> > > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone
have
> an
> > > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
> break
> > in
> > > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
> except
> > > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
> the
> > > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
> BIG
> > > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never
go
> > > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
> is
> > > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am
I
> > > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
> 36K
> > > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
> Any
> > > opinions?
> > >
> > > Jim / NJ
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

"Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
news:4Cz_a.61340$_R5.22133892@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> Thanks! I did read that the break in oil should stay in for 7500 like the
> dealer said before the first oil change. Maybe I'll do that and then 5k
> changes w/ filter from then on.

That sounds like a *very* good idea.


Regards,
Steve
Ottawa

> "noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Qnz_a.253398$R92.37141@news2.central.cox.net. ..
> > I have a new Civic EX and I plan on changing oil at 5k, with filter.
There
> > is absolutley no reason not to change the filter, unless you don't mind
> > reduced oil flow, it will save a couple of $..
> >
> > If you want to research oil or anything to do with it,
> > http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/ is a very good site for information. Just
> > read through some of the forums.
> >
> > "Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
> > news:11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> > > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the
oil
> > for
> > > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone
have
> an
> > > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
> break
> > in
> > > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
> except
> > > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
> the
> > > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
> BIG
> > > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never
go
> > > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
> is
> > > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am
I
> > > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
> 36K
> > > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
> Any
> > > opinions?
> > >
> > > Jim / NJ
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:

> Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for
> the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an
> opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in
> oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except
> once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the
> car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG
> problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is
> very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K
> when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any
> opinions?
>
> Jim / NJ
>

Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
this.

Thanks.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
All things being equal, fat people use more soap.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:

> Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for
> the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an
> opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in
> oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except
> once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the
> car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG
> problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is
> very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K
> when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any
> opinions?
>
> Jim / NJ
>

Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
this.

Thanks.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
All things being equal, fat people use more soap.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

Change your filter.

> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
> this.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

Change your filter.

> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
> this.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

I had this saved from Honda's website (not sure if it's there anymore):

Why should I wait to change the oil the first time?

Your Honda engine was delivered with an oil that is specially
formulated for new engines that have not yet developed their "natural"
wear patterns and may contain minute particles from the manufacturing
process. American Honda strongly recommends this special oil be left
in the engine long enough for these wear patterns to develop, usually
until the first maintenance interval specified in your Owner's Manual,
based on your specific driving conditions.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

I had this saved from Honda's website (not sure if it's there anymore):

Why should I wait to change the oil the first time?

Your Honda engine was delivered with an oil that is specially
formulated for new engines that have not yet developed their "natural"
wear patterns and may contain minute particles from the manufacturing
process. American Honda strongly recommends this special oil be left
in the engine long enough for these wear patterns to develop, usually
until the first maintenance interval specified in your Owner's Manual,
based on your specific driving conditions.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

Dave,
Look in your schedule maintenance you will see it. According to the manual
the oil filter should be changed every two years or every other oil change.
I do not think that's a good idea.
"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:UXA_a.16948$Ea.3610@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:
>
> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil
for
> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have
an
> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
break in
> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
except
> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
the
> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
BIG
> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
is
> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
36K
> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
Any
> > opinions?
> >
> > Jim / NJ
> >
>
> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
> this.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
> --
> All things being equal, fat people use more soap.
>
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

Dave,
Look in your schedule maintenance you will see it. According to the manual
the oil filter should be changed every two years or every other oil change.
I do not think that's a good idea.
"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:UXA_a.16948$Ea.3610@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:
>
> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil
for
> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have
an
> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
break in
> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
except
> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
the
> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
BIG
> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
is
> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
36K
> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
Any
> > opinions?
> >
> > Jim / NJ
> >
>
> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
> this.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
> --
> All things being equal, fat people use more soap.
>
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

It's interesting that manufacturers are starting to specify a filter
change every other oil change. Some years ago, I have an oil engineer
tell me just the opposite. He said, change your filter more often than
the oil.

It certainly cannot hurt to change the filter more frequently. I'd do
it at every oil change.

The manual does say not to do the initial oil change until the
specified interval. That is precisely because of break-in oil, I
assume. So why the dealer would say to vary from the schedule because
it is break-in oil, contradicts the specific instructions provided by
the manufacturer for the first change. I'd trust the manufacturer over
some guy who may or may not know what he is talking about.

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:18:09 GMT, "patviv" <patviv@operamail.com>
wrote:

>Dave,
> Look in your schedule maintenance you will see it. According to the manual
>the oil filter should be changed every two years or every other oil change.
>I do not think that's a good idea.
>"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:UXA_a.16948$Ea.3610@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com. ..
>> On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:
>>
>> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil
>for
>> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have
>an
>> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
>break in
>> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
>except
>> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
>the
>> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
>BIG
>> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
>> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
>is
>> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
>> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
>36K
>> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
>Any
>> > opinions?
>> >
>> > Jim / NJ
>> >
>>
>> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
>> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
>> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
>> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
>> this.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> RFT!!!
>> Dave Kelsen
>> --
>> All things being equal, fat people use more soap.
>>
>>
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

It's interesting that manufacturers are starting to specify a filter
change every other oil change. Some years ago, I have an oil engineer
tell me just the opposite. He said, change your filter more often than
the oil.

It certainly cannot hurt to change the filter more frequently. I'd do
it at every oil change.

The manual does say not to do the initial oil change until the
specified interval. That is precisely because of break-in oil, I
assume. So why the dealer would say to vary from the schedule because
it is break-in oil, contradicts the specific instructions provided by
the manufacturer for the first change. I'd trust the manufacturer over
some guy who may or may not know what he is talking about.

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:18:09 GMT, "patviv" <patviv@operamail.com>
wrote:

>Dave,
> Look in your schedule maintenance you will see it. According to the manual
>the oil filter should be changed every two years or every other oil change.
>I do not think that's a good idea.
>"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:UXA_a.16948$Ea.3610@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com. ..
>> On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:
>>
>> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil
>for
>> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have
>an
>> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
>break in
>> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
>except
>> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
>the
>> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
>BIG
>> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
>> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
>is
>> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
>> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
>36K
>> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
>Any
>> > opinions?
>> >
>> > Jim / NJ
>> >
>>
>> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
>> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
>> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
>> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
>> this.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> RFT!!!
>> Dave Kelsen
>> --
>> All things being equal, fat people use more soap.
>>
>>
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

Well an oil filter, like any other filter collects dirt. As it gets dirty
flow is reduced. When flow is reduced you don't get the lubrication that you
did when the filter was new.

You may not need to change the filter every oil change according to the
schedule, and if you want to follow there recommendations its totally up to
you. They don't void your warranty for changing your oil or filter to much.
It will just keep your engine cleaner, which would only be an advantage for
you. Especially since an oil filter is on the average about $5 and your
engine will just last longer for that little extra you spend. Its that "you
can pay me now, or you can pay me later" thing.

If I was using regular oil, I'd probably go with 7500 for oil and filter at
the outside. If you use synthetic oil, I might stretch it to 10000.

I will probably go with synthetic oil and a K&N oil filter every 7500 miles.
That depending on how dirty it looks at 5000 miles. BTW I have a 2003 Civic
EX so I have the same recommendations as you do.

> Look in your schedule maintenance you will see it. According to the
manual
> the oil filter should be changed every two years or every other oil
change.
> I do not think that's a good idea.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

Well an oil filter, like any other filter collects dirt. As it gets dirty
flow is reduced. When flow is reduced you don't get the lubrication that you
did when the filter was new.

You may not need to change the filter every oil change according to the
schedule, and if you want to follow there recommendations its totally up to
you. They don't void your warranty for changing your oil or filter to much.
It will just keep your engine cleaner, which would only be an advantage for
you. Especially since an oil filter is on the average about $5 and your
engine will just last longer for that little extra you spend. Its that "you
can pay me now, or you can pay me later" thing.

If I was using regular oil, I'd probably go with 7500 for oil and filter at
the outside. If you use synthetic oil, I might stretch it to 10000.

I will probably go with synthetic oil and a K&N oil filter every 7500 miles.
That depending on how dirty it looks at 5000 miles. BTW I have a 2003 Civic
EX so I have the same recommendations as you do.

> Look in your schedule maintenance you will see it. According to the
manual
> the oil filter should be changed every two years or every other oil
change.
> I do not think that's a good idea.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

My worry is NOT changing the filter and the car would easily make the 36K
warranty and then need repair soon after. A money maker for Honda....

"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:CZP_a.8$Ij4.6@news2.central.cox.net...
> Well an oil filter, like any other filter collects dirt. As it gets dirty
> flow is reduced. When flow is reduced you don't get the lubrication that
you
> did when the filter was new.
>
> You may not need to change the filter every oil change according to the
> schedule, and if you want to follow there recommendations its totally up
to
> you. They don't void your warranty for changing your oil or filter to
much.
> It will just keep your engine cleaner, which would only be an advantage
for
> you. Especially since an oil filter is on the average about $5 and your
> engine will just last longer for that little extra you spend. Its that
"you
> can pay me now, or you can pay me later" thing.
>
> If I was using regular oil, I'd probably go with 7500 for oil and filter
at
> the outside. If you use synthetic oil, I might stretch it to 10000.
>
> I will probably go with synthetic oil and a K&N oil filter every 7500
miles.
> That depending on how dirty it looks at 5000 miles. BTW I have a 2003
Civic
> EX so I have the same recommendations as you do.
>
> > Look in your schedule maintenance you will see it. According to the
> manual
> > the oil filter should be changed every two years or every other oil
> change.
> > I do not think that's a good idea.
>
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

My worry is NOT changing the filter and the car would easily make the 36K
warranty and then need repair soon after. A money maker for Honda....

"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:CZP_a.8$Ij4.6@news2.central.cox.net...
> Well an oil filter, like any other filter collects dirt. As it gets dirty
> flow is reduced. When flow is reduced you don't get the lubrication that
you
> did when the filter was new.
>
> You may not need to change the filter every oil change according to the
> schedule, and if you want to follow there recommendations its totally up
to
> you. They don't void your warranty for changing your oil or filter to
much.
> It will just keep your engine cleaner, which would only be an advantage
for
> you. Especially since an oil filter is on the average about $5 and your
> engine will just last longer for that little extra you spend. Its that
"you
> can pay me now, or you can pay me later" thing.
>
> If I was using regular oil, I'd probably go with 7500 for oil and filter
at
> the outside. If you use synthetic oil, I might stretch it to 10000.
>
> I will probably go with synthetic oil and a K&N oil filter every 7500
miles.
> That depending on how dirty it looks at 5000 miles. BTW I have a 2003
Civic
> EX so I have the same recommendations as you do.
>
> > Look in your schedule maintenance you will see it. According to the
> manual
> > the oil filter should be changed every two years or every other oil
> change.
> > I do not think that's a good idea.
>
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

I have an oil engineer at work that tells me the same - change the filter
more often then the oil. He said today that the car companies are finally
starting to see things his way sort of. His van has 240K and he NEVER
changed the oil once he swears. Only changed the filter once a year. He says
oil gets more slippery as it ages and additives mean nothing.
Jim

"TL" <tlehman@visi.com> wrote in message
news:cs4njv81bhdab678aj0dnuod04q8ti2pqo@4ax.com...
> It's interesting that manufacturers are starting to specify a filter
> change every other oil change. Some years ago, I have an oil engineer
> tell me just the opposite. He said, change your filter more often than
> the oil.
>
> It certainly cannot hurt to change the filter more frequently. I'd do
> it at every oil change.
>
> The manual does say not to do the initial oil change until the
> specified interval. That is precisely because of break-in oil, I
> assume. So why the dealer would say to vary from the schedule because
> it is break-in oil, contradicts the specific instructions provided by
> the manufacturer for the first change. I'd trust the manufacturer over
> some guy who may or may not know what he is talking about.
>
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:18:09 GMT, "patviv" <patviv@operamail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Dave,
> > Look in your schedule maintenance you will see it. According to the
manual
> >the oil filter should be changed every two years or every other oil
change.
> >I do not think that's a good idea.
> >"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >news:UXA_a.16948$Ea.3610@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com. ..
> >> On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:
> >>
> >> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the
oil
> >for
> >> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone
have
> >an
> >> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
> >break in
> >> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
> >except
> >> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay
in
> >the
> >> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
> >BIG
> >> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never
go
> >> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our
driving
> >is
> >> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am
I
> >> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
> >36K
> >> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
> >Any
> >> > opinions?
> >> >
> >> > Jim / NJ
> >> >
> >>
> >> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
> >> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
> >> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
> >> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I
missed
> >> this.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >> RFT!!!
> >> Dave Kelsen
> >> --
> >> All things being equal, fat people use more soap.
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

I have an oil engineer at work that tells me the same - change the filter
more often then the oil. He said today that the car companies are finally
starting to see things his way sort of. His van has 240K and he NEVER
changed the oil once he swears. Only changed the filter once a year. He says
oil gets more slippery as it ages and additives mean nothing.
Jim

"TL" <tlehman@visi.com> wrote in message
news:cs4njv81bhdab678aj0dnuod04q8ti2pqo@4ax.com...
> It's interesting that manufacturers are starting to specify a filter
> change every other oil change. Some years ago, I have an oil engineer
> tell me just the opposite. He said, change your filter more often than
> the oil.
>
> It certainly cannot hurt to change the filter more frequently. I'd do
> it at every oil change.
>
> The manual does say not to do the initial oil change until the
> specified interval. That is precisely because of break-in oil, I
> assume. So why the dealer would say to vary from the schedule because
> it is break-in oil, contradicts the specific instructions provided by
> the manufacturer for the first change. I'd trust the manufacturer over
> some guy who may or may not know what he is talking about.
>
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:18:09 GMT, "patviv" <patviv@operamail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Dave,
> > Look in your schedule maintenance you will see it. According to the
manual
> >the oil filter should be changed every two years or every other oil
change.
> >I do not think that's a good idea.
> >"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >news:UXA_a.16948$Ea.3610@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com. ..
> >> On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:
> >>
> >> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the
oil
> >for
> >> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone
have
> >an
> >> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
> >break in
> >> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
> >except
> >> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay
in
> >the
> >> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
> >BIG
> >> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never
go
> >> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our
driving
> >is
> >> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am
I
> >> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
> >36K
> >> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
> >Any
> >> > opinions?
> >> >
> >> > Jim / NJ
> >> >
> >>
> >> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
> >> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
> >> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
> >> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I
missed
> >> this.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >> RFT!!!
> >> Dave Kelsen
> >> --
> >> All things being equal, fat people use more soap.
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

Dave,

In "my" book / owners manual it's on page 250 under 4 CYL maintenance
schedule under normal conditions. It says oil every 10K and filter every 20.
As I replied to another person - an engineer at work swears by oil never -
filter once a year. Good Luck and save that soap.

Jim

"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:UXA_a.16948$Ea.3610@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:
>
> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil
for
> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have
an
> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
break in
> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
except
> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
the
> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
BIG
> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
is
> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
36K
> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
Any
> > opinions?
> >
> > Jim / NJ
> >
>
> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
> this.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
> --
> All things being equal, fat people use more soap.
>
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

Dave,

In "my" book / owners manual it's on page 250 under 4 CYL maintenance
schedule under normal conditions. It says oil every 10K and filter every 20.
As I replied to another person - an engineer at work swears by oil never -
filter once a year. Good Luck and save that soap.

Jim

"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:UXA_a.16948$Ea.3610@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:
>
> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil
for
> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have
an
> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
break in
> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
except
> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
the
> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
BIG
> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
is
> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
36K
> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
Any
> > opinions?
> >
> > Jim / NJ
> >
>
> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
> this.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
> --
> All things being equal, fat people use more soap.
>
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

"Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
news:t%S_a.70730$_R5.25952701@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> I have an oil engineer at work that tells me the same - change the filter
> more often then the oil. He said today that the car companies are finally
> starting to see things his way sort of. His van has 240K and he NEVER
> changed the oil once he swears. Only changed the filter once a year. He
says
> oil gets more slippery as it ages and additives mean nothing.

What company does this tribologist work for?

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

"Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
news:t%S_a.70730$_R5.25952701@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> I have an oil engineer at work that tells me the same - change the filter
> more often then the oil. He said today that the car companies are finally
> starting to see things his way sort of. His van has 240K and he NEVER
> changed the oil once he swears. Only changed the filter once a year. He
says
> oil gets more slippery as it ages and additives mean nothing.

What company does this tribologist work for?

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

In article <11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> , "Jim"
<jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote:

> Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for
> the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an
> opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in
> oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except
> once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the
> car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG
> problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is
> very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K
> when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any
> opinions?
>
> Jim / NJ

Jim,
Regardless of what any manual or person tells you, the best thing to do is
change the oil and the filter every 3000 miles. All car companies want you
to buy a new car every four years or less. They want their new cars to
wear out within four years so they can sell you a new car. If you want
your car to last longer than four years--change the oil and filter every
3000 miles. I'm sure some people--especally car salesmen--will post
differert opinions--they also want to sell you a new car every four years
or less.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

In article <11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> , "Jim"
<jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote:

> Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for
> the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an
> opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in
> oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except
> once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the
> car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG
> problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is
> very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K
> when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any
> opinions?
>
> Jim / NJ

Jim,
Regardless of what any manual or person tells you, the best thing to do is
change the oil and the filter every 3000 miles. All car companies want you
to buy a new car every four years or less. They want their new cars to
wear out within four years so they can sell you a new car. If you want
your car to last longer than four years--change the oil and filter every
3000 miles. I'm sure some people--especally car salesmen--will post
differert opinions--they also want to sell you a new car every four years
or less.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

"Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<8d6%a.196187$rsJ.23967@news04.bloor.is.net.c able.rogers.com>...
> "Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
> news:t%S_a.70730$_R5.25952701@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> > I have an oil engineer at work that tells me the same - change the filter
> > more often then the oil. He said today that the car companies are finally
> > starting to see things his way sort of. His van has 240K and he NEVER
> > changed the oil once he swears. Only changed the filter once a year. He
> says
> > oil gets more slippery as it ages and additives mean nothing.
>
> What company does this tribologist work for?

Stephen,

He works for a printing company with plants worldwide. He does many
things but one is lubrication of the presses.

Jim

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

"Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<8d6%a.196187$rsJ.23967@news04.bloor.is.net.c able.rogers.com>...
> "Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
> news:t%S_a.70730$_R5.25952701@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> > I have an oil engineer at work that tells me the same - change the filter
> > more often then the oil. He said today that the car companies are finally
> > starting to see things his way sort of. His van has 240K and he NEVER
> > changed the oil once he swears. Only changed the filter once a year. He
> says
> > oil gets more slippery as it ages and additives mean nothing.
>
> What company does this tribologist work for?

Stephen,

He works for a printing company with plants worldwide. He does many
things but one is lubrication of the presses.

Jim

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

"Jim" <jkc8462@iwon.com> wrote in message
news:30403426.0308151304.f647b91@posting.google.co m...
> "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:<8d6%a.196187$rsJ.23967@news04.bloor.is.net.c able.rogers.com>...
> > "Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
> > news:t%S_a.70730$_R5.25952701@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> > > I have an oil engineer at work that tells me the same - change the
filter
> > > more often then the oil. He said today that the car companies are
finally
> > > starting to see things his way sort of. His van has 240K and he NEVER
> > > changed the oil once he swears. Only changed the filter once a year.
He
> > says
> > > oil gets more slippery as it ages and additives mean nothing.
> >
> > What company does this tribologist work for?
>
> Stephen,
>
> He works for a printing company with plants worldwide. He does many
> things but one is lubrication of the presses.

What company does he work for?
Does he ever change the oil he uses in the presses?

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

"Jim" <jkc8462@iwon.com> wrote in message
news:30403426.0308151304.f647b91@posting.google.co m...
> "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:<8d6%a.196187$rsJ.23967@news04.bloor.is.net.c able.rogers.com>...
> > "Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
> > news:t%S_a.70730$_R5.25952701@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> > > I have an oil engineer at work that tells me the same - change the
filter
> > > more often then the oil. He said today that the car companies are
finally
> > > starting to see things his way sort of. His van has 240K and he NEVER
> > > changed the oil once he swears. Only changed the filter once a year.
He
> > says
> > > oil gets more slippery as it ages and additives mean nothing.
> >
> > What company does this tribologist work for?
>
> Stephen,
>
> He works for a printing company with plants worldwide. He does many
> things but one is lubrication of the presses.

What company does he work for?
Does he ever change the oil he uses in the presses?

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

They sure have lengthened the oil change interval on the 03. I would
always go with the severe service interval, which is (was) 3750 miles
for the first oil change.



Bill B. Johnson wrote:
> In article <11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> , "Jim"
> <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote:
>
>
>>Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for
>>the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an
>>opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in
>>oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except
>>once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the
>>car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG
>>problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
>>over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is
>>very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
>>worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K
>>when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any
>>opinions?
>>
>>Jim / NJ
>
>
> Jim,
> Regardless of what any manual or person tells you, the best thing to do is
> change the oil and the filter every 3000 miles. All car companies want you
> to buy a new car every four years or less. They want their new cars to
> wear out within four years so they can sell you a new car. If you want
> your car to last longer than four years--change the oil and filter every
> 3000 miles. I'm sure some people--especally car salesmen--will post
> differert opinions--they also want to sell you a new car every four years
> or less.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

They sure have lengthened the oil change interval on the 03. I would
always go with the severe service interval, which is (was) 3750 miles
for the first oil change.



Bill B. Johnson wrote:
> In article <11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> , "Jim"
> <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote:
>
>
>>Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for
>>the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an
>>opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in
>>oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except
>>once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the
>>car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG
>>problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
>>over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is
>>very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
>>worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K
>>when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any
>>opinions?
>>
>>Jim / NJ
>
>
> Jim,
> Regardless of what any manual or person tells you, the best thing to do is
> change the oil and the filter every 3000 miles. All car companies want you
> to buy a new car every four years or less. They want their new cars to
> wear out within four years so they can sell you a new car. If you want
> your car to last longer than four years--change the oil and filter every
> 3000 miles. I'm sure some people--especally car salesmen--will post
> differert opinions--they also want to sell you a new car every four years
> or less.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change
interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every
3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's
recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.)

The two groups showed no difference in breakdowns or engine wear. CR's
conclusion was that early oil changes waste money and provide no
benefit. for most cars. They said to follow the manufacturer's
recommended interval.

The Consumer's Union is about as unbiased a source as one could find
anywhere. While you can wonder if you can generalize their test results
to your car, you can't question their objectivity.

My point is that there is credible independent evidence to suggest early
oil changes are unnecessary.

Bill B. Johnson wrote:

>In article <11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> , "Jim"
><jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for
>>the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an
>>opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in
>>oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except
>>once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the
>>car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG
>>problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
>>over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is
>>very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
>>worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K
>>when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any
>>opinions?
>>
>>Jim / NJ
>>
>>
>
>Jim,
>Regardless of what any manual or person tells you, the best thing to do is
>change the oil and the filter every 3000 miles. All car companies want you
>to buy a new car every four years or less. They want their new cars to
>wear out within four years so they can sell you a new car. If you want
>your car to last longer than four years--change the oil and filter every
>3000 miles. I'm sure some people--especally car salesmen--will post
>differert opinions--they also want to sell you a new car every four years
>or less.
>
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change
interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every
3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's
recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.)

The two groups showed no difference in breakdowns or engine wear. CR's
conclusion was that early oil changes waste money and provide no
benefit. for most cars. They said to follow the manufacturer's
recommended interval.

The Consumer's Union is about as unbiased a source as one could find
anywhere. While you can wonder if you can generalize their test results
to your car, you can't question their objectivity.

My point is that there is credible independent evidence to suggest early
oil changes are unnecessary.

Bill B. Johnson wrote:

>In article <11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> , "Jim"
><jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for
>>the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an
>>opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in
>>oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except
>>once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the
>>car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG
>>problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
>>over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is
>>very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
>>worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K
>>when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any
>>opinions?
>>
>>Jim / NJ
>>
>>
>
>Jim,
>Regardless of what any manual or person tells you, the best thing to do is
>change the oil and the filter every 3000 miles. All car companies want you
>to buy a new car every four years or less. They want their new cars to
>wear out within four years so they can sell you a new car. If you want
>your car to last longer than four years--change the oil and filter every
>3000 miles. I'm sure some people--especally car salesmen--will post
>differert opinions--they also want to sell you a new car every four years
>or less.
>
>

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

> Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change
> interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every
> 3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's
> recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.)
>
> The two groups showed no difference in breakdowns or engine wear. CR's
> conclusion was that early oil changes waste money and provide no
> benefit. for most cars. They said to follow the manufacturer's
> recommended interval.
>
> The Consumer's Union is about as unbiased a source as one could find
> anywhere. While you can wonder if you can generalize their test results
> to your car, you can't question their objectivity.
>
> My point is that there is credible independent evidence to suggest early
> oil changes are unnecessary.

I used to change my oil every 3K miles and then got to thinking, why?
Every time I change it, the oil color was a very light brownish color.
Looked like it was too early for an oil change. Next time around, I
check the oil at 3K miles and it was a very light brown color, hardly
dirty at all. At 4K miles, it was a little bit more brown. At 5K
miles, the oil was a good brown color but not black. That's where I
determined that it's about time to change it. I've been changing the
oil every 5K miles and my Honda's and two of my cars have gone over the
100K mile mark with no problem.

I saw an auto program that had a Q& A session and one of the questions
was about 3K mile oil changes. With older cars from '50s-'70s, their
engines had bigger tolerances thus causing the oil to get much dirtier.
With todays cars having advanced engine design and very tight
tolerances, it's not recommended to change your oil every 3K miles.

Unless you are constantly driving in stop-and-go traffic or hauling a
trailer, changing your oil every 3K miles is overkill and just dumping
more oil into the environment.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

> Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change
> interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every
> 3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's
> recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.)
>
> The two groups showed no difference in breakdowns or engine wear. CR's
> conclusion was that early oil changes waste money and provide no
> benefit. for most cars. They said to follow the manufacturer's
> recommended interval.
>
> The Consumer's Union is about as unbiased a source as one could find
> anywhere. While you can wonder if you can generalize their test results
> to your car, you can't question their objectivity.
>
> My point is that there is credible independent evidence to suggest early
> oil changes are unnecessary.

I used to change my oil every 3K miles and then got to thinking, why?
Every time I change it, the oil color was a very light brownish color.
Looked like it was too early for an oil change. Next time around, I
check the oil at 3K miles and it was a very light brown color, hardly
dirty at all. At 4K miles, it was a little bit more brown. At 5K
miles, the oil was a good brown color but not black. That's where I
determined that it's about time to change it. I've been changing the
oil every 5K miles and my Honda's and two of my cars have gone over the
100K mile mark with no problem.

I saw an auto program that had a Q& A session and one of the questions
was about 3K mile oil changes. With older cars from '50s-'70s, their
engines had bigger tolerances thus causing the oil to get much dirtier.
With todays cars having advanced engine design and very tight
tolerances, it's not recommended to change your oil every 3K miles.

Unless you are constantly driving in stop-and-go traffic or hauling a
trailer, changing your oil every 3K miles is overkill and just dumping
more oil into the environment.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

"Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
news:i6F%a.90727$_R5.34812511@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> M No spam wrote:
>
> > Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change
> > interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every
> > 3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's
> > recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.)
>
> I guess taxis would count as "severe service" most everywhere.

Nope. Long trips, no cold starts.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

"Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
news:i6F%a.90727$_R5.34812511@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> M No spam wrote:
>
> > Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change
> > interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every
> > 3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's
> > recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.)
>
> I guess taxis would count as "severe service" most everywhere.

Nope. Long trips, no cold starts.

Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
 

Stephen Bigelow wrote:

> "Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:i6F%a.90727$_R5.34812511@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
>
>>M No spam wrote:
>>
>>>Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change
>>>interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every
>>>3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's
>>>recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.)
>>
>>I guess taxis would count as "severe service" most everywhere.
>
> Nope. Long trips, no cold starts.

Not in big city use (I'm thinking NYC here, maybe it's an extreme example).