Jim

Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for
the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an
opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in
oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except
once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the
car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG
problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is
very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K
when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any
opinions?

Jim / NJ

Jim

Thanks! I did read that the break in oil should stay in for 7500 like the
dealer said before the first oil change. Maybe I'll do that and then 5k
changes w/ filter from then on.

"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Qnz_a.253398$R92.37141@news2.central.***.net. ..
> I have a new Civic EX and I plan on changing oil at 5k, with filter. There
> is absolutley no reason not to change the filter, unless you don't mind
> reduced oil flow, it will save a couple of $..
>
> If you want to research oil or anything to do with it,
> http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/ is a very good site for information. Just
> read through some of the forums.
>
> "Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
> news:11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil
> for
> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have
an
> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
break
> in
> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
except
> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
the
> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
BIG
> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
is
> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
36K
> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
Any
> > opinions?
> >
> > Jim / NJ
> >
>
>

Jim

Thanks! I did read that the break in oil should stay in for 7500 like the
dealer said before the first oil change. Maybe I'll do that and then 5k
changes w/ filter from then on.

"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Qnz_a.253398$R92.37141@news2.central.***.net. ..
> I have a new Civic EX and I plan on changing oil at 5k, with filter. There
> is absolutley no reason not to change the filter, unless you don't mind
> reduced oil flow, it will save a couple of $..
>
> If you want to research oil or anything to do with it,
> http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/ is a very good site for information. Just
> read through some of the forums.
>
> "Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
> news:11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil
> for
> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have
an
> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
break
> in
> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
except
> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
the
> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
BIG
> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
is
> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
36K
> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
Any
> > opinions?
> >
> > Jim / NJ
> >
>
>

Stephen Bigelow

"Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
news:4Cz_a.61340$_R5.22133892@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> Thanks! I did read that the break in oil should stay in for 7500 like the
> dealer said before the first oil change. Maybe I'll do that and then 5k
> changes w/ filter from then on.

That sounds like a *very* good idea.


Regards,
Steve
Ottawa

> "noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Qnz_a.253398$R92.37141@news2.central.***.net. ..
> > I have a new Civic EX and I plan on changing oil at 5k, with filter.
There
> > is absolutley no reason not to change the filter, unless you don't mind
> > reduced oil flow, it will save a couple of $..
> >
> > If you want to research oil or anything to do with it,
> > http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/ is a very good site for information. Just
> > read through some of the forums.
> >
> > "Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
> > news:11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> > > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the
oil
> > for
> > > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone
have
> an
> > > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
> break
> > in
> > > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
> except
> > > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
> the
> > > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
> BIG
> > > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never
go
> > > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
> is
> > > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am
I
> > > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
> 36K
> > > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
> Any
> > > opinions?
> > >
> > > Jim / NJ
> > >
> >
> >
>

Stephen Bigelow

"Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
news:4Cz_a.61340$_R5.22133892@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> Thanks! I did read that the break in oil should stay in for 7500 like the
> dealer said before the first oil change. Maybe I'll do that and then 5k
> changes w/ filter from then on.

That sounds like a *very* good idea.


Regards,
Steve
Ottawa

> "noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Qnz_a.253398$R92.37141@news2.central.***.net. ..
> > I have a new Civic EX and I plan on changing oil at 5k, with filter.
There
> > is absolutley no reason not to change the filter, unless you don't mind
> > reduced oil flow, it will save a couple of $..
> >
> > If you want to research oil or anything to do with it,
> > http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/ is a very good site for information. Just
> > read through some of the forums.
> >
> > "Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message
> > news:11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> > > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the
oil
> > for
> > > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone
have
> an
> > > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
> break
> > in
> > > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
> except
> > > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
> the
> > > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
> BIG
> > > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never
go
> > > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
> is
> > > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am
I
> > > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
> 36K
> > > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
> Any
> > > opinions?
> > >
> > > Jim / NJ
> > >
> >
> >
>

Dave Kelsen

On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:

> Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for
> the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an
> opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in
> oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except
> once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the
> car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG
> problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is
> very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K
> when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any
> opinions?
>
> Jim / NJ
>

Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
this.

Thanks.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
All things being equal, fat people use more soap.

Dave Kelsen

On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:

> Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for
> the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an
> opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in
> oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except
> once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the
> car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG
> problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is
> very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K
> when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any
> opinions?
>
> Jim / NJ
>

Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
this.

Thanks.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
All things being equal, fat people use more soap.

noway

Change your filter.

> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
> this.

noway

Change your filter.

> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
> this.

Apexmeister

I had this saved from Honda's website (not sure if it's there anymore):

Why should I wait to change the oil the first time?

Your Honda engine was delivered with an oil that is specially
formulated for new engines that have not yet developed their "natural"
wear patterns and may contain minute particles from the manufacturing
process. American Honda strongly recommends this special oil be left
in the engine long enough for these wear patterns to develop, usually
until the first maintenance interval specified in your Owner's Manual,
based on your specific driving conditions.

Apexmeister

I had this saved from Honda's website (not sure if it's there anymore):

Why should I wait to change the oil the first time?

Your Honda engine was delivered with an oil that is specially
formulated for new engines that have not yet developed their "natural"
wear patterns and may contain minute particles from the manufacturing
process. American Honda strongly recommends this special oil be left
in the engine long enough for these wear patterns to develop, usually
until the first maintenance interval specified in your Owner's Manual,
based on your specific driving conditions.

patviv

Dave,
Look in your schedule maintenance you will see it. According to the manual
the oil filter should be changed every two years or every other oil change.
I do not think that's a good idea.
"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:UXA_a.16948$Ea.3610@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:
>
> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil
for
> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have
an
> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
break in
> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
except
> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
the
> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
BIG
> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
is
> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
36K
> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
Any
> > opinions?
> >
> > Jim / NJ
> >
>
> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
> this.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
> --
> All things being equal, fat people use more soap.
>
>

patviv

Dave,
Look in your schedule maintenance you will see it. According to the manual
the oil filter should be changed every two years or every other oil change.
I do not think that's a good idea.
"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:UXA_a.16948$Ea.3610@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:
>
> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil
for
> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have
an
> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
break in
> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
except
> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
the
> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
BIG
> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
is
> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
36K
> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
Any
> > opinions?
> >
> > Jim / NJ
> >
>
> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
> this.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
> --
> All things being equal, fat people use more soap.
>
>

TL

It's interesting that manufacturers are starting to specify a filter
change every other oil change. Some years ago, I have an oil engineer
tell me just the opposite. He said, change your filter more often than
the oil.

It certainly cannot hurt to change the filter more frequently. I'd do
it at every oil change.

The manual does say not to do the initial oil change until the
specified interval. That is precisely because of break-in oil, I
assume. So why the dealer would say to vary from the schedule because
it is break-in oil, contradicts the specific instructions provided by
the manufacturer for the first change. I'd trust the manufacturer over
some guy who may or may not know what he is talking about.

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:18:09 GMT, "patviv" <patviv@operamail.com>
wrote:

>Dave,
> Look in your schedule maintenance you will see it. According to the manual
>the oil filter should be changed every two years or every other oil change.
>I do not think that's a good idea.
>"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:UXA_a.16948$Ea.3610@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com. ..
>> On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:
>>
>> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil
>for
>> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have
>an
>> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
>break in
>> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
>except
>> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
>the
>> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
>BIG
>> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
>> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
>is
>> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
>> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
>36K
>> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
>Any
>> > opinions?
>> >
>> > Jim / NJ
>> >
>>
>> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
>> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
>> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
>> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
>> this.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> RFT!!!
>> Dave Kelsen
>> --
>> All things being equal, fat people use more soap.
>>
>>
>

TL

It's interesting that manufacturers are starting to specify a filter
change every other oil change. Some years ago, I have an oil engineer
tell me just the opposite. He said, change your filter more often than
the oil.

It certainly cannot hurt to change the filter more frequently. I'd do
it at every oil change.

The manual does say not to do the initial oil change until the
specified interval. That is precisely because of break-in oil, I
assume. So why the dealer would say to vary from the schedule because
it is break-in oil, contradicts the specific instructions provided by
the manufacturer for the first change. I'd trust the manufacturer over
some guy who may or may not know what he is talking about.

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:18:09 GMT, "patviv" <patviv@operamail.com>
wrote:

>Dave,
> Look in your schedule maintenance you will see it. According to the manual
>the oil filter should be changed every two years or every other oil change.
>I do not think that's a good idea.
>"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:UXA_a.16948$Ea.3610@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com. ..
>> On 8/13/2003 5:33 PM Jim spake these words of knowledge:
>>
>> > Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil
>for
>> > the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have
>an
>> > opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the
>break in
>> > oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter
>except
>> > once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in
>the
>> > car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a
>BIG
>> > problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go
>> > over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving
>is
>> > very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I
>> > worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after
>36K
>> > when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem.
>Any
>> > opinions?
>> >
>> > Jim / NJ
>> >
>>
>> Jim, if you don't mind, tell me where in the manual it says not to
>> change the filter except every 20K miles or 2 years. I have an '03
>> Accord, and although I read it cover-to-cover a couple of times, and
>> asked a question similar to yours in this group some time back, I missed
>> this.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> RFT!!!
>> Dave Kelsen
>> --
>> All things being equal, fat people use more soap.
>>
>>
>