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Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
"Jim" <jkc8462@iwon.com> wrote in message news:30403426.0308151304.f647b91@posting.google.co m... > "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<8d6%a.196187$rsJ.23967@news04.bloor.is.net.c able.rogers.com>... > > "Jim" <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote in message > > news:t%S_a.70730$_R5.25952701@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net... > > > I have an oil engineer at work that tells me the same - change the filter > > > more often then the oil. He said today that the car companies are finally > > > starting to see things his way sort of. His van has 240K and he NEVER > > > changed the oil once he swears. Only changed the filter once a year. He > > says > > > oil gets more slippery as it ages and additives mean nothing. > > > > What company does this tribologist work for? > > Stephen, > > He works for a printing company with plants worldwide. He does many > things but one is lubrication of the presses. What company does he work for? Does he ever change the oil he uses in the presses? |
Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
They sure have lengthened the oil change interval on the 03. I would
always go with the severe service interval, which is (was) 3750 miles for the first oil change. Bill B. Johnson wrote: > In article <11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> , "Jim" > <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote: > > >>Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for >>the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an >>opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in >>oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except >>once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the >>car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG >>problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go >>over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is >>very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I >>worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K >>when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any >>opinions? >> >>Jim / NJ > > > Jim, > Regardless of what any manual or person tells you, the best thing to do is > change the oil and the filter every 3000 miles. All car companies want you > to buy a new car every four years or less. They want their new cars to > wear out within four years so they can sell you a new car. If you want > your car to last longer than four years--change the oil and filter every > 3000 miles. I'm sure some people--especally car salesmen--will post > differert opinions--they also want to sell you a new car every four years > or less. |
Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
They sure have lengthened the oil change interval on the 03. I would
always go with the severe service interval, which is (was) 3750 miles for the first oil change. Bill B. Johnson wrote: > In article <11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> , "Jim" > <jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote: > > >>Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for >>the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an >>opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in >>oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except >>once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the >>car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG >>problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go >>over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is >>very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I >>worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K >>when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any >>opinions? >> >>Jim / NJ > > > Jim, > Regardless of what any manual or person tells you, the best thing to do is > change the oil and the filter every 3000 miles. All car companies want you > to buy a new car every four years or less. They want their new cars to > wear out within four years so they can sell you a new car. If you want > your car to last longer than four years--change the oil and filter every > 3000 miles. I'm sure some people--especally car salesmen--will post > differert opinions--they also want to sell you a new car every four years > or less. |
Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change
interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every 3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.) The two groups showed no difference in breakdowns or engine wear. CR's conclusion was that early oil changes waste money and provide no benefit. for most cars. They said to follow the manufacturer's recommended interval. The Consumer's Union is about as unbiased a source as one could find anywhere. While you can wonder if you can generalize their test results to your car, you can't question their objectivity. My point is that there is credible independent evidence to suggest early oil changes are unnecessary. Bill B. Johnson wrote: >In article <11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> , "Jim" ><jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote: > > > >>Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for >>the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an >>opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in >>oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except >>once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the >>car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG >>problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go >>over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is >>very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I >>worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K >>when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any >>opinions? >> >>Jim / NJ >> >> > >Jim, >Regardless of what any manual or person tells you, the best thing to do is >change the oil and the filter every 3000 miles. All car companies want you >to buy a new car every four years or less. They want their new cars to >wear out within four years so they can sell you a new car. If you want >your car to last longer than four years--change the oil and filter every >3000 miles. I'm sure some people--especally car salesmen--will post >differert opinions--they also want to sell you a new car every four years >or less. > > |
Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change
interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every 3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.) The two groups showed no difference in breakdowns or engine wear. CR's conclusion was that early oil changes waste money and provide no benefit. for most cars. They said to follow the manufacturer's recommended interval. The Consumer's Union is about as unbiased a source as one could find anywhere. While you can wonder if you can generalize their test results to your car, you can't question their objectivity. My point is that there is credible independent evidence to suggest early oil changes are unnecessary. Bill B. Johnson wrote: >In article <11z_a.60564$_R5.21988652@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> , "Jim" ><jkc84@optonline(unspam).net> wrote: > > > >>Our owners manual for our 2003 Accord EX-L 4 says to NOT change the oil for >>the first time (And every time after) until 10K miles. Does anyone have an >>opinion of this? The dealer said to do at 7500 miles because of the break in >>oil that is in it. ALSO - the manual says to NOT change the filter except >>once every TWO years or 20K miles so this original filter will stay in the >>car for 20K or two years? This seems far fetched? I know Toyota had a BIG >>problem w/ 10K oil changes and engines failing due to sludge. I never go >>over 3000 miles or 3 months between oil changes and 99% of our driving is >>very mild - slow highway etc. Waiting for 10K or 1 year scares me. Am I >>worrying for no reason? Should I go 10K? That's easy to say but after 36K >>when the warranty expires, they won't care if 10K caused the problem. Any >>opinions? >> >>Jim / NJ >> >> > >Jim, >Regardless of what any manual or person tells you, the best thing to do is >change the oil and the filter every 3000 miles. All car companies want you >to buy a new car every four years or less. They want their new cars to >wear out within four years so they can sell you a new car. If you want >your car to last longer than four years--change the oil and filter every >3000 miles. I'm sure some people--especally car salesmen--will post >differert opinions--they also want to sell you a new car every four years >or less. > > |
Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
> Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change
> interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every > 3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's > recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.) > > The two groups showed no difference in breakdowns or engine wear. CR's > conclusion was that early oil changes waste money and provide no > benefit. for most cars. They said to follow the manufacturer's > recommended interval. > > The Consumer's Union is about as unbiased a source as one could find > anywhere. While you can wonder if you can generalize their test results > to your car, you can't question their objectivity. > > My point is that there is credible independent evidence to suggest early > oil changes are unnecessary. I used to change my oil every 3K miles and then got to thinking, why? Every time I change it, the oil color was a very light brownish color. Looked like it was too early for an oil change. Next time around, I check the oil at 3K miles and it was a very light brown color, hardly dirty at all. At 4K miles, it was a little bit more brown. At 5K miles, the oil was a good brown color but not black. That's where I determined that it's about time to change it. I've been changing the oil every 5K miles and my Honda's and two of my cars have gone over the 100K mile mark with no problem. I saw an auto program that had a Q& A session and one of the questions was about 3K mile oil changes. With older cars from '50s-'70s, their engines had bigger tolerances thus causing the oil to get much dirtier. With todays cars having advanced engine design and very tight tolerances, it's not recommended to change your oil every 3K miles. Unless you are constantly driving in stop-and-go traffic or hauling a trailer, changing your oil every 3K miles is overkill and just dumping more oil into the environment. |
Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
> Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change
> interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every > 3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's > recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.) > > The two groups showed no difference in breakdowns or engine wear. CR's > conclusion was that early oil changes waste money and provide no > benefit. for most cars. They said to follow the manufacturer's > recommended interval. > > The Consumer's Union is about as unbiased a source as one could find > anywhere. While you can wonder if you can generalize their test results > to your car, you can't question their objectivity. > > My point is that there is credible independent evidence to suggest early > oil changes are unnecessary. I used to change my oil every 3K miles and then got to thinking, why? Every time I change it, the oil color was a very light brownish color. Looked like it was too early for an oil change. Next time around, I check the oil at 3K miles and it was a very light brown color, hardly dirty at all. At 4K miles, it was a little bit more brown. At 5K miles, the oil was a good brown color but not black. That's where I determined that it's about time to change it. I've been changing the oil every 5K miles and my Honda's and two of my cars have gone over the 100K mile mark with no problem. I saw an auto program that had a Q& A session and one of the questions was about 3K mile oil changes. With older cars from '50s-'70s, their engines had bigger tolerances thus causing the oil to get much dirtier. With todays cars having advanced engine design and very tight tolerances, it's not recommended to change your oil every 3K miles. Unless you are constantly driving in stop-and-go traffic or hauling a trailer, changing your oil every 3K miles is overkill and just dumping more oil into the environment. |
Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
"Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message news:i6F%a.90727$_R5.34812511@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net... > M No spam wrote: > > > Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change > > interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every > > 3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's > > recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.) > > I guess taxis would count as "severe service" most everywhere. Nope. Long trips, no cold starts. |
Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
"Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message news:i6F%a.90727$_R5.34812511@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net... > M No spam wrote: > > > Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change > > interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every > > 3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's > > recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.) > > I guess taxis would count as "severe service" most everywhere. Nope. Long trips, no cold starts. |
Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
Stephen Bigelow wrote:
> "Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message > news:i6F%a.90727$_R5.34812511@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net... > >>M No spam wrote: >> >>>Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change >>>interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every >>>3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's >>>recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.) >> >>I guess taxis would count as "severe service" most everywhere. > > Nope. Long trips, no cold starts. Not in big city use (I'm thinking NYC here, maybe it's an extreme example). |
Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
Stephen Bigelow wrote:
> "Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message > news:i6F%a.90727$_R5.34812511@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net... > >>M No spam wrote: >> >>>Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change >>>interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every >>>3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's >>>recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.) >> >>I guess taxis would count as "severe service" most everywhere. > > Nope. Long trips, no cold starts. Not in big city use (I'm thinking NYC here, maybe it's an extreme example). |
Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
"Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message news:X6W%a.103610$_R5.38471114@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv .net... > Stephen Bigelow wrote: > > > "Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message > > news:i6F%a.90727$_R5.34812511@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net... > > > >>M No spam wrote: > >> > >>>Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change > >>>interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every > >>>3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's > >>>recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.) > >> > >>I guess taxis would count as "severe service" most everywhere. > > > > Nope. Long trips, no cold starts. > > Not in big city use (I'm thinking NYC here, maybe it's an extreme example). I've read the test. The taxis were rarely shut off. |
Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
"Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message news:X6W%a.103610$_R5.38471114@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv .net... > Stephen Bigelow wrote: > > > "Gus" <GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote in message > > news:i6F%a.90727$_R5.34812511@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net... > > > >>M No spam wrote: > >> > >>>Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change > >>>interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every > >>>3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's > >>>recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.) > >> > >>I guess taxis would count as "severe service" most everywhere. > > > > Nope. Long trips, no cold starts. > > Not in big city use (I'm thinking NYC here, maybe it's an extreme example). I've read the test. The taxis were rarely shut off. |
Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
Thanks to all that replied! I will take the middle ground and do the oil and
filter between 5K and 7500. The first oil change I will do at 7500 per the dealer (It's free at that mileage) even though the book says 10K for this one due to break-in oil. A guy that writes an Auto Column in my local paper never lets a week go by that he doesn't harp that 3K oil changes are so important - more so in hotter running newer cars. He writes that his shop does 100 cars a week so he knows what he is talking about. Always brings up the Toyota fiasco of a few years back where they sludged up when changed at 7500 and no sludge when done at 3K. I won't read his column anymore....I thought he was on to something. Jim "Apexmeister" <Apexmeister@cornercarver.net> wrote in message news:170820030000001801%Apexmeister@cornercarver.n et... > > Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change > > interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every > > 3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's > > recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.) > > > > The two groups showed no difference in breakdowns or engine wear. CR's > > conclusion was that early oil changes waste money and provide no > > benefit. for most cars. They said to follow the manufacturer's > > recommended interval. > > > > The Consumer's Union is about as unbiased a source as one could find > > anywhere. While you can wonder if you can generalize their test results > > to your car, you can't question their objectivity. > > > > My point is that there is credible independent evidence to suggest early > > oil changes are unnecessary. > > I used to change my oil every 3K miles and then got to thinking, why? > Every time I change it, the oil color was a very light brownish color. > Looked like it was too early for an oil change. Next time around, I > check the oil at 3K miles and it was a very light brown color, hardly > dirty at all. At 4K miles, it was a little bit more brown. At 5K > miles, the oil was a good brown color but not black. That's where I > determined that it's about time to change it. I've been changing the > oil every 5K miles and my Honda's and two of my cars have gone over the > 100K mile mark with no problem. > > I saw an auto program that had a Q& A session and one of the questions > was about 3K mile oil changes. With older cars from '50s-'70s, their > engines had bigger tolerances thus causing the oil to get much dirtier. > With todays cars having advanced engine design and very tight > tolerances, it's not recommended to change your oil every 3K miles. > > Unless you are constantly driving in stop-and-go traffic or hauling a > trailer, changing your oil every 3K miles is overkill and just dumping > more oil into the environment. |
Re: FIRST oil change - 03 4 cyl Accord
Thanks to all that replied! I will take the middle ground and do the oil and
filter between 5K and 7500. The first oil change I will do at 7500 per the dealer (It's free at that mileage) even though the book says 10K for this one due to break-in oil. A guy that writes an Auto Column in my local paper never lets a week go by that he doesn't harp that 3K oil changes are so important - more so in hotter running newer cars. He writes that his shop does 100 cars a week so he knows what he is talking about. Always brings up the Toyota fiasco of a few years back where they sludged up when changed at 7500 and no sludge when done at 3K. I won't read his column anymore....I thought he was on to something. Jim "Apexmeister" <Apexmeister@cornercarver.net> wrote in message news:170820030000001801%Apexmeister@cornercarver.n et... > > Actually, a few years ago Consumer Reports tested for the oil change > > interval. One group of taxi's had oil and filter changed early (every > > 3000 miles). The second group was changed at the full manufacturer's > > recommended interval (e.g. 7500 miles.) > > > > The two groups showed no difference in breakdowns or engine wear. CR's > > conclusion was that early oil changes waste money and provide no > > benefit. for most cars. They said to follow the manufacturer's > > recommended interval. > > > > The Consumer's Union is about as unbiased a source as one could find > > anywhere. While you can wonder if you can generalize their test results > > to your car, you can't question their objectivity. > > > > My point is that there is credible independent evidence to suggest early > > oil changes are unnecessary. > > I used to change my oil every 3K miles and then got to thinking, why? > Every time I change it, the oil color was a very light brownish color. > Looked like it was too early for an oil change. Next time around, I > check the oil at 3K miles and it was a very light brown color, hardly > dirty at all. At 4K miles, it was a little bit more brown. At 5K > miles, the oil was a good brown color but not black. That's where I > determined that it's about time to change it. I've been changing the > oil every 5K miles and my Honda's and two of my cars have gone over the > 100K mile mark with no problem. > > I saw an auto program that had a Q& A session and one of the questions > was about 3K mile oil changes. With older cars from '50s-'70s, their > engines had bigger tolerances thus causing the oil to get much dirtier. > With todays cars having advanced engine design and very tight > tolerances, it's not recommended to change your oil every 3K miles. > > Unless you are constantly driving in stop-and-go traffic or hauling a > trailer, changing your oil every 3K miles is overkill and just dumping > more oil into the environment. |
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