Skippy

"Chris Lamb" <clamb1@new.rr.com> wrote in message
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>I went to carprices.com, followed the compare link, put 4 different
> vehicles in, then read the many things people had to say about them.
> A common thread seemed to be how the quality with Honda has really
> gone downhill. That's surprising. I owned quite a few Civic
> Hatchbacks and Accords that I always bought new and they were
> flawless. But buyers of FITs and Elements reported some bad problems
> with transmission failure within 1000 miles, engine failure, reports
> that the problem wasn't covered under warranty, and various other
> problems.

I don't know where the US Fits are assembled, but the Japanese built ones
are generally praised on build. Have a look in the showroom and decide.

Given Honda's reputation is built on making engines it would seem VERY odd
for them to be selling duff ones on a 4 year old design and not honouring a
warranty.

As previously posted the UK Consumers association survey reports that the
Jazz is the most reliable car you can buy. Something like no major failures
in 400 over 12 months if I recall.

>
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:06:35 +0100, "Skippy" <Skippy@spam.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Chris Lamb" <clamb1@new.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:452128da.20998374@news-server.new.rr.com...
>>>I need some wheels. Cost is the primary determinant, but I want to
>>> spend my money wisely, and a couple thousand more for a vehicle that
>>> gives me more utility may be money well spent. Second determinant is
>>> fuel economy. I don't haul anything, it is just me going many miles.
>>> I have looked at the Fit and Yaris and they fit for cost and economy.
>>> But I have read some real horror stories about the FIT.
>>
>>Horror stories? Please tell.
>>
>>The Fit has been around in Japan and Europe for about 4 years. It's come
>>top 5 (sector or overall) of most owner surveys it's appeared in.
>>Obviously
>>I'm a biased Honda owner, but 'horror stories' doesn't imply impartiality
>>either. I do hear that they're a bit hard to come by in the US at the
>>moment, and that's about as bad as I've heard.
>>
>>>
>>> This does not HAVE TO be a determinant, but it would be nice if the
>>> vehicle could pull say a 1000# trailer, little fishing boat. But that
>>> is just a nice to have.
>>>
>>> I like the looks of both the Element and the Scion xB.
>>>
>>> Of those 4 vehicles, and understanding my determinants, and hopefully
>>> YOU knowing a whole lot more about these vehicles than I do, which
>>> would you buy and why?
>>
>>I'd buy the Fit. They are a lovely little car, IMO. I carry bikes about
>>and the magic seats work amazingly for 1-2 of them. I wouldn't know about
>>towing. I do have the tow-bar, but only to fit a 4 bike rack on.
>>
>>Skippy
>>E&OE
>>
>>
>

Body Roll

If a sporty ride is a priority Fit might be better choice.
If saving a few bucks is a priority and you like boats
Fit might not be as fitting. I think Yaris has more boat-like
properties. Or that's an impression I derived from
reading the C&D subcompact comparo. The little parody
on Lexus might be more reliable though.

Body Roll

If a sporty ride is a priority Fit might be better choice.
If saving a few bucks is a priority and you like boats
Fit might not be as fitting. I think Yaris has more boat-like
properties. Or that's an impression I derived from
reading the C&D subcompact comparo. The little parody
on Lexus might be more reliable though.

Body Roll

If a sporty ride is a priority Fit might be better choice.
If saving a few bucks is a priority and you like boats
Fit might not be as fitting. I think Yaris has more boat-like
properties. Or that's an impression I derived from
reading the C&D subcompact comparo. The little parody
on Lexus might be more reliable though.

ego

We drove Yaris(2), Fit(sport), Scions(2), Hyundai - and the Fit stood
out as more solid-feeling when stressed. 45 years ago I raced SCCA (all
RWD), and it's my inclination to push a car pretty hard. The Fit did
great, the Hyundai was flaky, and the several Toyotas were in between.
I'll go further - pushed hard, the Hyundai was so scary at the edge that
I pulled over to check tire pressure. The Fit came loose gently and
predictably, and never felt out of control. The brakes were about the
same but I didn't measure. Overall, the Fit seemed safest in emergencies
and with its superior handling and adequate engine would win most Class
H or so of the early 60s.

ego

We drove Yaris(2), Fit(sport), Scions(2), Hyundai - and the Fit stood
out as more solid-feeling when stressed. 45 years ago I raced SCCA (all
RWD), and it's my inclination to push a car pretty hard. The Fit did
great, the Hyundai was flaky, and the several Toyotas were in between.
I'll go further - pushed hard, the Hyundai was so scary at the edge that
I pulled over to check tire pressure. The Fit came loose gently and
predictably, and never felt out of control. The brakes were about the
same but I didn't measure. Overall, the Fit seemed safest in emergencies
and with its superior handling and adequate engine would win most Class
H or so of the early 60s.

ego

We drove Yaris(2), Fit(sport), Scions(2), Hyundai - and the Fit stood
out as more solid-feeling when stressed. 45 years ago I raced SCCA (all
RWD), and it's my inclination to push a car pretty hard. The Fit did
great, the Hyundai was flaky, and the several Toyotas were in between.
I'll go further - pushed hard, the Hyundai was so scary at the edge that
I pulled over to check tire pressure. The Fit came loose gently and
predictably, and never felt out of control. The brakes were about the
same but I didn't measure. Overall, the Fit seemed safest in emergencies
and with its superior handling and adequate engine would win most Class
H or so of the early 60s.

tww

"ego" <jung@freud.id> wrote in message
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> We drove Yaris(2), Fit(sport), Scions(2), Hyundai - and the Fit stood
> out as more solid-feeling when stressed. 45 years ago I raced SCCA (all
> RWD), and it's my inclination to push a car pretty hard. The Fit did
> great, the Hyundai was flaky, and the several Toyotas were in between.
> I'll go further - pushed hard, the Hyundai was so scary at the edge that
> I pulled over to check tire pressure. The Fit came loose gently and
> predictably, and never felt out of control. The brakes were about the
> same but I didn't measure. Overall, the Fit seemed safest in emergencies
> and with its superior handling and adequate engine would win most Class
> H or so of the early 60s.

Off topic -- but you probably remember the Sunbeam Tiger given your
background.

tww

"ego" <jung@freud.id> wrote in message
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> We drove Yaris(2), Fit(sport), Scions(2), Hyundai - and the Fit stood
> out as more solid-feeling when stressed. 45 years ago I raced SCCA (all
> RWD), and it's my inclination to push a car pretty hard. The Fit did
> great, the Hyundai was flaky, and the several Toyotas were in between.
> I'll go further - pushed hard, the Hyundai was so scary at the edge that
> I pulled over to check tire pressure. The Fit came loose gently and
> predictably, and never felt out of control. The brakes were about the
> same but I didn't measure. Overall, the Fit seemed safest in emergencies
> and with its superior handling and adequate engine would win most Class
> H or so of the early 60s.

Off topic -- but you probably remember the Sunbeam Tiger given your
background.

tww

"ego" <jung@freud.id> wrote in message
news:Z3QUg.228$gU6.77@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> We drove Yaris(2), Fit(sport), Scions(2), Hyundai - and the Fit stood
> out as more solid-feeling when stressed. 45 years ago I raced SCCA (all
> RWD), and it's my inclination to push a car pretty hard. The Fit did
> great, the Hyundai was flaky, and the several Toyotas were in between.
> I'll go further - pushed hard, the Hyundai was so scary at the edge that
> I pulled over to check tire pressure. The Fit came loose gently and
> predictably, and never felt out of control. The brakes were about the
> same but I didn't measure. Overall, the Fit seemed safest in emergencies
> and with its superior handling and adequate engine would win most Class
> H or so of the early 60s.

Off topic -- but you probably remember the Sunbeam Tiger given your
background.

Robert

I'd go with the Element, solely for its safety and four-wheel drive.
You could definitely tow a boat with this one, it's safer than the Fit
(both in side-impact and front-impact), and the AWD system is a
necessary componet where I live...I don't know about your location, but
that's just my opinion.

Robert

I'd go with the Element, solely for its safety and four-wheel drive.
You could definitely tow a boat with this one, it's safer than the Fit
(both in side-impact and front-impact), and the AWD system is a
necessary componet where I live...I don't know about your location, but
that's just my opinion.

Robert

I'd go with the Element, solely for its safety and four-wheel drive.
You could definitely tow a boat with this one, it's safer than the Fit
(both in side-impact and front-impact), and the AWD system is a
necessary componet where I live...I don't know about your location, but
that's just my opinion.

High Tech Misfit

Robert wrote:

> I'd go with the Element, solely for its safety and four-wheel drive.
> You could definitely tow a boat with this one, it's safer than the Fit
> (both in side-impact and front-impact), and the AWD system is a
> necessary componet where I live...I don't know about your location, but
> that's just my opinion.

Why exactly is AWD necessary in your area? If you are referring to winter
conditions, all you need is a good set of winter tires.

High Tech Misfit

Robert wrote:

> I'd go with the Element, solely for its safety and four-wheel drive.
> You could definitely tow a boat with this one, it's safer than the Fit
> (both in side-impact and front-impact), and the AWD system is a
> necessary componet where I live...I don't know about your location, but
> that's just my opinion.

Why exactly is AWD necessary in your area? If you are referring to winter
conditions, all you need is a good set of winter tires.