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Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
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Huck Flynn wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060601431.html > > > The trick for Ford will be maintaining the quality. Can they do it or is it a flash in the pan? Quality has been the norm, rather than the exception as it has been with the Little Three, for Toyota and Honda. |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
Huck Flynn wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060601431.html > > > The trick for Ford will be maintaining the quality. Can they do it or is it a flash in the pan? Quality has been the norm, rather than the exception as it has been with the Little Three, for Toyota and Honda. |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
Perhaps if one does not look at the growing number of serious Toyota recalls
and does not include all the sludge, brake, tranny gasket and head gaskets problems ;) mike "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:136h8mn73ovif59@corp.supernews.com... > Huck Flynn wrote: >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060601431.html >> >> >> > > The trick for Ford will be maintaining the quality. Can they do it or is > it a flash in the pan? Quality has been the norm for Toyota and Honda. |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
Perhaps if one does not look at the growing number of serious Toyota recalls
and does not include all the sludge, brake, tranny gasket and head gaskets problems ;) mike "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:136h8mn73ovif59@corp.supernews.com... > Huck Flynn wrote: >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060601431.html >> >> >> > > The trick for Ford will be maintaining the quality. Can they do it or is > it a flash in the pan? Quality has been the norm for Toyota and Honda. |
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"Huck Flynn" <HF36736@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46689e7c$0$16277$822641b3@news.adtechcomputer s.com... > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060601431.html > > Lets see, America made or rice burner. |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
"Huck Flynn" <HF36736@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46689e7c$0$16277$822641b3@news.adtechcomputer s.com... > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060601431.html > > Lets see, America made or rice burner. |
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"Ripcord" ... > > "Huck Flynn" ... >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060601431.html >> >> > Lets see, America made or rice burner. > Until they show quality for *much more* than 90 days, it'll be rice burners. Natalie |
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"Ripcord" ... > > "Huck Flynn" ... >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060601431.html >> >> > Lets see, America made or rice burner. > Until they show quality for *much more* than 90 days, it'll be rice burners. Natalie |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
Well, if you consider that JD Powers is the one giving the awards....
JD Powers awarded Scottrade as the best online broker for a few years in a row. If you ask the trading community, Scottrade is far from the best online broker. In the past I also found akward some other awards that were given to other companies and at the time I asked myself if JD Powers awards were for sale. Just my opinion and my thoughts. Huck Flynn wrote: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060601431.html > > > |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
Well, if you consider that JD Powers is the one giving the awards....
JD Powers awarded Scottrade as the best online broker for a few years in a row. If you ask the trading community, Scottrade is far from the best online broker. In the past I also found akward some other awards that were given to other companies and at the time I asked myself if JD Powers awards were for sale. Just my opinion and my thoughts. Huck Flynn wrote: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060601431.html > > > |
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Huck Flynn wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060601431.html Toyota/Lexis got 4 of 8 truck/SUV awards and Honda got one. http://www.jdpower.com/press-release...spx?id=2007088 Jeff |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
Huck Flynn wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060601431.html Toyota/Lexis got 4 of 8 truck/SUV awards and Honda got one. http://www.jdpower.com/press-release...spx?id=2007088 Jeff |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
"AS" <donot@spame.com> wrote in message news:NW1ai.17974$Ut6.11170@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net... > Well, if you consider that JD Powers is the one giving the awards.... > > JD Powers awarded Scottrade as the best online broker for a few years in a > row. If you ask the trading community, Scottrade is far from the best > online broker. > > In the past I also found akward some other awards that were given to other > companies and at the time I asked myself if JD Powers awards were for > sale. Just my opinion and my thoughts. > JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point. |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
"AS" <donot@spame.com> wrote in message news:NW1ai.17974$Ut6.11170@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net... > Well, if you consider that JD Powers is the one giving the awards.... > > JD Powers awarded Scottrade as the best online broker for a few years in a > row. If you ask the trading community, Scottrade is far from the best > online broker. > > In the past I also found akward some other awards that were given to other > companies and at the time I asked myself if JD Powers awards were for > sale. Just my opinion and my thoughts. > JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point. |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
On Jun 7, 8:10 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/06/06/AR200... Okay, first I'm going to say that SOME of the foreign branded cars make an excellent car and that SOME of the American named cars need a little improvement in quality. Does everybody understand that first sentence? Good. Now bear with me. About 20 years ago I was reading about the initial overall quality of two cars. One was a Japanese car and the other was an American car, both of these compared side by side. The Japanese car got rave reviews for initial quality and component fit and the American car had a lot of initial problems and a lot of new car complaints. Now this wasn't just one car verses one car, it was thousands of reviews from both models of cars. Even the owners quotes summed it up real well. "I bought a Japanese car because of the quality that I wanted and I'm glad of my purchase". For the American buyers, a lot of quotes were "As usual, the American car had a lot more problems than if I'd purchased a Japanese car". This article stated that even Lee Iacoca (spelling?), had problems with this statement, because the American car that they were bashing was the Plymouth Laser. Now what was the car that thousands of buyers were praising?? It was the Mitsubishi Eclipse.......... The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference. Once again, is there a difference? Probably. There certainly is in people's minds. |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
On Jun 7, 8:10 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/06/06/AR200... Okay, first I'm going to say that SOME of the foreign branded cars make an excellent car and that SOME of the American named cars need a little improvement in quality. Does everybody understand that first sentence? Good. Now bear with me. About 20 years ago I was reading about the initial overall quality of two cars. One was a Japanese car and the other was an American car, both of these compared side by side. The Japanese car got rave reviews for initial quality and component fit and the American car had a lot of initial problems and a lot of new car complaints. Now this wasn't just one car verses one car, it was thousands of reviews from both models of cars. Even the owners quotes summed it up real well. "I bought a Japanese car because of the quality that I wanted and I'm glad of my purchase". For the American buyers, a lot of quotes were "As usual, the American car had a lot more problems than if I'd purchased a Japanese car". This article stated that even Lee Iacoca (spelling?), had problems with this statement, because the American car that they were bashing was the Plymouth Laser. Now what was the car that thousands of buyers were praising?? It was the Mitsubishi Eclipse.......... The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference. Once again, is there a difference? Probably. There certainly is in people's minds. |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
On Jun 7, 10:03 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "AS" <d...@spame.com> wrote in message > > news:NW1ai.17974$Ut6.11170@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net... > > > Well, if you consider that JD Powers is the one giving the awards.... > > > JD Powers awarded Scottrade as the best online broker for a few years in a > > row. If you ask the trading community, Scottrade is far from the best > > online broker. > > > In the past I also found akward some other awards that were given to other > > companies and at the time I asked myself if JD Powers awards were for > > sale. Just my opinion and my thoughts. > > JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese > companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point. Actually, it's been more like 25 years, only slight less than Consumer Reports. But I understand where your coming from. |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
On Jun 7, 10:03 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "AS" <d...@spame.com> wrote in message > > news:NW1ai.17974$Ut6.11170@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net... > > > Well, if you consider that JD Powers is the one giving the awards.... > > > JD Powers awarded Scottrade as the best online broker for a few years in a > > row. If you ask the trading community, Scottrade is far from the best > > online broker. > > > In the past I also found akward some other awards that were given to other > > companies and at the time I asked myself if JD Powers awards were for > > sale. Just my opinion and my thoughts. > > JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese > companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point. Actually, it's been more like 25 years, only slight less than Consumer Reports. But I understand where your coming from. |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
Huck Flynn wrote:
> "AS" <donot@spame.com> wrote in message > news:NW1ai.17974$Ut6.11170@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net... >> Well, if you consider that JD Powers is the one giving the awards.... >> >> JD Powers awarded Scottrade as the best online broker for a few years in a >> row. If you ask the trading community, Scottrade is far from the best >> online broker. >> >> In the past I also found akward some other awards that were given to other >> companies and at the time I asked myself if JD Powers awards were for >> sale. Just my opinion and my thoughts. >> > > JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese > companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point. > > Maybe they're starting to fell bad for their own domestics;0 |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
Huck Flynn wrote:
> "AS" <donot@spame.com> wrote in message > news:NW1ai.17974$Ut6.11170@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net... >> Well, if you consider that JD Powers is the one giving the awards.... >> >> JD Powers awarded Scottrade as the best online broker for a few years in a >> row. If you ask the trading community, Scottrade is far from the best >> online broker. >> >> In the past I also found akward some other awards that were given to other >> companies and at the time I asked myself if JD Powers awards were for >> sale. Just my opinion and my thoughts. >> > > JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese > companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point. > > Maybe they're starting to fell bad for their own domestics;0 |
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Kruse wrote:
> On Jun 7, 8:10 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/06/06/AR200... > > Okay, first I'm going to say that SOME of the foreign branded cars > make an excellent car and that SOME of the American named cars need a > little improvement in quality. Does everybody understand that first > sentence? Good. Now bear with me. > > About 20 years ago I was reading about the initial overall quality of > two cars. One was a Japanese car and the other was an American car, > both of these compared side by side. The Japanese car got rave reviews > for initial quality and component fit and the American car had a lot > of initial problems and a lot of new car complaints. Now this wasn't > just one car verses one car, it was thousands of reviews from both > models of cars. Even the owners quotes summed it up real well. "I > bought a Japanese car because of the quality that I wanted and I'm > glad of my purchase". For the American buyers, a lot of quotes were > "As usual, the American car had a lot more problems than if I'd > purchased a Japanese car". This article stated that even Lee Iacoca > (spelling?), had problems with this statement, because the American > car that they were bashing was the Plymouth Laser. Now what was the > car that thousands of buyers were praising?? > It was the Mitsubishi Eclipse.......... > > The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way > and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one > car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were > the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what > Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference. > > Once again, is there a difference? Probably. > There certainly is in people's minds. > That is true... if you perceive people or things a certain way, they will often seem to conform.. or rather you continue to see them that way. |
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Kruse wrote:
> On Jun 7, 8:10 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/06/06/AR200... > > Okay, first I'm going to say that SOME of the foreign branded cars > make an excellent car and that SOME of the American named cars need a > little improvement in quality. Does everybody understand that first > sentence? Good. Now bear with me. > > About 20 years ago I was reading about the initial overall quality of > two cars. One was a Japanese car and the other was an American car, > both of these compared side by side. The Japanese car got rave reviews > for initial quality and component fit and the American car had a lot > of initial problems and a lot of new car complaints. Now this wasn't > just one car verses one car, it was thousands of reviews from both > models of cars. Even the owners quotes summed it up real well. "I > bought a Japanese car because of the quality that I wanted and I'm > glad of my purchase". For the American buyers, a lot of quotes were > "As usual, the American car had a lot more problems than if I'd > purchased a Japanese car". This article stated that even Lee Iacoca > (spelling?), had problems with this statement, because the American > car that they were bashing was the Plymouth Laser. Now what was the > car that thousands of buyers were praising?? > It was the Mitsubishi Eclipse.......... > > The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way > and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one > car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were > the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what > Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference. > > Once again, is there a difference? Probably. > There certainly is in people's minds. > That is true... if you perceive people or things a certain way, they will often seem to conform.. or rather you continue to see them that way. |
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"Kruse" <kruse@kansas.net> wrote in message
news:1181272723.799854.34510@g4g2000hsf.googlegrou ps.com... > On Jun 7, 8:10 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/06/06/AR200... > > Okay, first I'm going to say that SOME of the foreign branded cars > make an excellent car and that SOME of the American named cars need a > little improvement in quality. Does everybody understand that first > sentence? Good. Now bear with me. > > About 20 years ago I was reading about the initial overall quality of > two cars. One was a Japanese car and the other was an American car, > both of these compared side by side. The Japanese car got rave reviews > for initial quality and component fit and the American car had a lot > of initial problems and a lot of new car complaints. Now this wasn't > just one car verses one car, it was thousands of reviews from both > models of cars. Even the owners quotes summed it up real well. "I > bought a Japanese car because of the quality that I wanted and I'm > glad of my purchase". For the American buyers, a lot of quotes were > "As usual, the American car had a lot more problems than if I'd > purchased a Japanese car". This article stated that even Lee Iacoca > (spelling?), had problems with this statement, because the American > car that they were bashing was the Plymouth Laser. Now what was the > car that thousands of buyers were praising?? > It was the Mitsubishi Eclipse.......... > > The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way > and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one > car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were > the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what > Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference. > > Once again, is there a difference? Probably. > There certainly is in people's minds. I read the same type of thing when the Pontiac Vibe / Toyota Matrix came out. According to the article, the Matrix was gold, and yet the Vibe was trash. I guess no one bothered to tell them they were the same cars. Now, if I could only find that damned article. |
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"Kruse" <kruse@kansas.net> wrote in message
news:1181272723.799854.34510@g4g2000hsf.googlegrou ps.com... > On Jun 7, 8:10 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/06/06/AR200... > > Okay, first I'm going to say that SOME of the foreign branded cars > make an excellent car and that SOME of the American named cars need a > little improvement in quality. Does everybody understand that first > sentence? Good. Now bear with me. > > About 20 years ago I was reading about the initial overall quality of > two cars. One was a Japanese car and the other was an American car, > both of these compared side by side. The Japanese car got rave reviews > for initial quality and component fit and the American car had a lot > of initial problems and a lot of new car complaints. Now this wasn't > just one car verses one car, it was thousands of reviews from both > models of cars. Even the owners quotes summed it up real well. "I > bought a Japanese car because of the quality that I wanted and I'm > glad of my purchase". For the American buyers, a lot of quotes were > "As usual, the American car had a lot more problems than if I'd > purchased a Japanese car". This article stated that even Lee Iacoca > (spelling?), had problems with this statement, because the American > car that they were bashing was the Plymouth Laser. Now what was the > car that thousands of buyers were praising?? > It was the Mitsubishi Eclipse.......... > > The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way > and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one > car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were > the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what > Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference. > > Once again, is there a difference? Probably. > There certainly is in people's minds. I read the same type of thing when the Pontiac Vibe / Toyota Matrix came out. According to the article, the Matrix was gold, and yet the Vibe was trash. I guess no one bothered to tell them they were the same cars. Now, if I could only find that damned article. |
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coachrose13@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 7, 10:03 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese >> companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point. > > Actually, it's been more like 25 years, only slight less than Consumer > Reports. But I understand where your coming from. If they are just reporting the results of surveys, how can they be propping up the Japanese, who won 5 of the 8 awards for trucks and SUVs? |
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coachrose13@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 7, 10:03 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese >> companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point. > > Actually, it's been more like 25 years, only slight less than Consumer > Reports. But I understand where your coming from. If they are just reporting the results of surveys, how can they be propping up the Japanese, who won 5 of the 8 awards for trucks and SUVs? |
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:18:43 -0700, Kruse <kruse@kansas.net> wrote:
>The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way >and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one >car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were >the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what >Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference. > >Once again, is there a difference? Probably. >There certainly is in people's minds. First, JD Powers ia a highly biased source and their survey's are rarely (never?) statistically valid. This one is no exception. Second, Iococa deserves what he gets for producing the k-car :-) |
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:18:43 -0700, Kruse <kruse@kansas.net> wrote:
>The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way >and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one >car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were >the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what >Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference. > >Once again, is there a difference? Probably. >There certainly is in people's minds. First, JD Powers ia a highly biased source and their survey's are rarely (never?) statistically valid. This one is no exception. Second, Iococa deserves what he gets for producing the k-car :-) |
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Selective surveys have always been used to make the payer look good.
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Ybbai.2059$wq.700@trnddc04... > coachrose13@hotmail.com wrote: >> On Jun 7, 10:03 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese >>> companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point. >> >> Actually, it's been more like 25 years, only slight less than Consumer >> Reports. But I understand where your coming from. > > If they are just reporting the results of surveys, how can they be > propping up the Japanese, who won 5 of the 8 awards for trucks and SUVs? |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
Selective surveys have always been used to make the payer look good.
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Ybbai.2059$wq.700@trnddc04... > coachrose13@hotmail.com wrote: >> On Jun 7, 10:03 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese >>> companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point. >> >> Actually, it's been more like 25 years, only slight less than Consumer >> Reports. But I understand where your coming from. > > If they are just reporting the results of surveys, how can they be > propping up the Japanese, who won 5 of the 8 awards for trucks and SUVs? |
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Woody wrote:
> Selective surveys have always been used to make the payer look good. > > > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:Ybbai.2059$wq.700@trnddc04... >> coachrose13@hotmail.com wrote: >>> On Jun 7, 10:03 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese >>>> companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point. >>> Actually, it's been more like 25 years, only slight less than Consumer >>> Reports. But I understand where your coming from. >> If they are just reporting the results of surveys, how can they be >> propping up the Japanese, who won 5 of the 8 awards for trucks and SUVs? Can you demonstrate that's the case with JD Powers? For example, did the Vibe get worse reviews than the Matrix? Jeff |
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Woody wrote:
> Selective surveys have always been used to make the payer look good. > > > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:Ybbai.2059$wq.700@trnddc04... >> coachrose13@hotmail.com wrote: >>> On Jun 7, 10:03 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese >>>> companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point. >>> Actually, it's been more like 25 years, only slight less than Consumer >>> Reports. But I understand where your coming from. >> If they are just reporting the results of surveys, how can they be >> propping up the Japanese, who won 5 of the 8 awards for trucks and SUVs? Can you demonstrate that's the case with JD Powers? For example, did the Vibe get worse reviews than the Matrix? Jeff |
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still me wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:18:43 -0700, Kruse <kruse@kansas.net> wrote: > >> The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way >> and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one >> car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were >> the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what >> Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference. >> >> Once again, is there a difference? Probably. >> There certainly is in people's minds. > > First, JD Powers ia a highly biased source and their survey's are > rarely (never?) statistically valid. This one is no exception. In your opinion. Can you back this opinion with evidence? Jeff > Second, Iococa deserves what he gets for producing the k-car :-) |
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still me wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:18:43 -0700, Kruse <kruse@kansas.net> wrote: > >> The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way >> and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one >> car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were >> the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what >> Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference. >> >> Once again, is there a difference? Probably. >> There certainly is in people's minds. > > First, JD Powers ia a highly biased source and their survey's are > rarely (never?) statistically valid. This one is no exception. In your opinion. Can you back this opinion with evidence? Jeff > Second, Iococa deserves what he gets for producing the k-car :-) |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
They are not the same car - the Vibe is built in California, the
Matrix in Canada. Who puts it together can make a lot of difference. On Jun 8, 4:39 am, "80 Knight" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote: > "Kruse" <k...@kansas.net> wrote in message > > news:1181272723.799854.34510@g4g2000hsf.googlegrou ps.com... > > > > > > > On Jun 7, 8:10 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/06/06/AR200... > > > Okay, first I'm going to say that SOME of the foreign branded cars > > make an excellent car and that SOME of the American named cars need a > > little improvement in quality. Does everybody understand that first > > sentence? Good. Now bear with me. > > > About 20 years ago I was reading about the initial overall quality of > > two cars. One was a Japanese car and the other was an American car, > > both of these compared side by side. The Japanese car got rave reviews > > for initial quality and component fit and the American car had a lot > > of initial problems and a lot of new car complaints. Now this wasn't > > just one car verses one car, it was thousands of reviews from both > > models of cars. Even the owners quotes summed it up real well. "I > > bought a Japanese car because of the quality that I wanted and I'm > > glad of my purchase". For the American buyers, a lot of quotes were > > "As usual, the American car had a lot more problems than if I'd > > purchased a Japanese car". This article stated that even Lee Iacoca > > (spelling?), had problems with this statement, because the American > > car that they were bashing was the Plymouth Laser. Now what was the > > car that thousands of buyers were praising?? > > It was the Mitsubishi Eclipse.......... > > > The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way > > and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one > > car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were > > the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what > > Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference. > > > Once again, is there a difference? Probably. > > There certainly is in people's minds. > > I read the same type of thing when the Pontiac Vibe / Toyota Matrix came > out. According to the article, the Matrix was gold, and yet the Vibe was > trash. I guess no one bothered to tell them they were the same cars. Now, if > I could only find that damned article.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
They are not the same car - the Vibe is built in California, the
Matrix in Canada. Who puts it together can make a lot of difference. On Jun 8, 4:39 am, "80 Knight" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote: > "Kruse" <k...@kansas.net> wrote in message > > news:1181272723.799854.34510@g4g2000hsf.googlegrou ps.com... > > > > > > > On Jun 7, 8:10 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/06/06/AR200... > > > Okay, first I'm going to say that SOME of the foreign branded cars > > make an excellent car and that SOME of the American named cars need a > > little improvement in quality. Does everybody understand that first > > sentence? Good. Now bear with me. > > > About 20 years ago I was reading about the initial overall quality of > > two cars. One was a Japanese car and the other was an American car, > > both of these compared side by side. The Japanese car got rave reviews > > for initial quality and component fit and the American car had a lot > > of initial problems and a lot of new car complaints. Now this wasn't > > just one car verses one car, it was thousands of reviews from both > > models of cars. Even the owners quotes summed it up real well. "I > > bought a Japanese car because of the quality that I wanted and I'm > > glad of my purchase". For the American buyers, a lot of quotes were > > "As usual, the American car had a lot more problems than if I'd > > purchased a Japanese car". This article stated that even Lee Iacoca > > (spelling?), had problems with this statement, because the American > > car that they were bashing was the Plymouth Laser. Now what was the > > car that thousands of buyers were praising?? > > It was the Mitsubishi Eclipse.......... > > > The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way > > and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one > > car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were > > the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what > > Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference. > > > Once again, is there a difference? Probably. > > There certainly is in people's minds. > > I read the same type of thing when the Pontiac Vibe / Toyota Matrix came > out. According to the article, the Matrix was gold, and yet the Vibe was > trash. I guess no one bothered to tell them they were the same cars. Now, if > I could only find that damned article.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - |
Re: Ford Beats Toyota in Quality for 2007
Actually they are the same car, regardless of who put's it together. They
were a joint venture between GM and Toyota. "Mark" <bogusmailmark@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1181318158.846609.56680@w5g2000hsg.googlegrou ps.com... > They are not the same car - the Vibe is built in California, the > Matrix in Canada. Who puts it together can make a lot of difference. > > > On Jun 8, 4:39 am, "80 Knight" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote: >> "Kruse" <k...@kansas.net> wrote in message >> >> news:1181272723.799854.34510@g4g2000hsf.googlegrou ps.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jun 7, 8:10 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/06/06/AR200... >> >> > Okay, first I'm going to say that SOME of the foreign branded cars >> > make an excellent car and that SOME of the American named cars need a >> > little improvement in quality. Does everybody understand that first >> > sentence? Good. Now bear with me. >> >> > About 20 years ago I was reading about the initial overall quality of >> > two cars. One was a Japanese car and the other was an American car, >> > both of these compared side by side. The Japanese car got rave reviews >> > for initial quality and component fit and the American car had a lot >> > of initial problems and a lot of new car complaints. Now this wasn't >> > just one car verses one car, it was thousands of reviews from both >> > models of cars. Even the owners quotes summed it up real well. "I >> > bought a Japanese car because of the quality that I wanted and I'm >> > glad of my purchase". For the American buyers, a lot of quotes were >> > "As usual, the American car had a lot more problems than if I'd >> > purchased a Japanese car". This article stated that even Lee Iacoca >> > (spelling?), had problems with this statement, because the American >> > car that they were bashing was the Plymouth Laser. Now what was the >> > car that thousands of buyers were praising?? >> > It was the Mitsubishi Eclipse.......... >> >> > The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way >> > and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one >> > car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were >> > the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what >> > Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference. >> >> > Once again, is there a difference? Probably. >> > There certainly is in people's minds. >> >> I read the same type of thing when the Pontiac Vibe / Toyota Matrix came >> out. According to the article, the Matrix was gold, and yet the Vibe was >> trash. I guess no one bothered to tell them they were the same cars. Now, >> if >> I could only find that damned article.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > |
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