Juntao Hu

I purchased a 2005 Odyssey EX-L, lured by the high gas mileage claimed by
Honda: 20 miles/gallon for local and 28 miles/gallon for highway. After
consuming a couple of tanks of gas, I noticed that the actually gas mileage
is only 17 miles/gallon even I drive 70%-80% on highway. I wonder if anyone
has comments on this. Does my car have some defects or Honda lied on gas
mileage?

Thanks!

CCMasten

17mpg is about what my new 05 Pilot EXL gets.. that is pretty standard for a
2 ton Honda with the 3.5 l VTEC. I would think you should get more on the
highway though, its supposed to shut off fuel to 3 of cylinders.. unless
your not in 5th gear and cruising on the highways..

"Juntao Hu" <juntao@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:0_adnde_-Z3HOZLfRVn-1w@adelphia.com...
>I purchased a 2005 Odyssey EX-L, lured by the high gas mileage claimed by
> Honda: 20 miles/gallon for local and 28 miles/gallon for highway. After
> consuming a couple of tanks of gas, I noticed that the actually gas
> mileage
> is only 17 miles/gallon even I drive 70%-80% on highway. I wonder if
> anyone
> has comments on this. Does my car have some defects or Honda lied on gas
> mileage?
>
> Thanks!
>
>

CCMasten

17mpg is about what my new 05 Pilot EXL gets.. that is pretty standard for a
2 ton Honda with the 3.5 l VTEC. I would think you should get more on the
highway though, its supposed to shut off fuel to 3 of cylinders.. unless
your not in 5th gear and cruising on the highways..

"Juntao Hu" <juntao@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:0_adnde_-Z3HOZLfRVn-1w@adelphia.com...
>I purchased a 2005 Odyssey EX-L, lured by the high gas mileage claimed by
> Honda: 20 miles/gallon for local and 28 miles/gallon for highway. After
> consuming a couple of tanks of gas, I noticed that the actually gas
> mileage
> is only 17 miles/gallon even I drive 70%-80% on highway. I wonder if
> anyone
> has comments on this. Does my car have some defects or Honda lied on gas
> mileage?
>
> Thanks!
>
>

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <0_adnde_-Z3HOZLfRVn-1w@adelphia.com>,
"Juntao Hu" <juntao@adelphia.net> wrote:

> I purchased a 2005 Odyssey EX-L, lured by the high gas mileage claimed by
> Honda: 20 miles/gallon for local and 28 miles/gallon for highway. After
> consuming a couple of tanks of gas, I noticed that the actually gas mileage
> is only 17 miles/gallon even I drive 70%-80% on highway. I wonder if anyone
> has comments on this. Does my car have some defects or Honda lied on gas
> mileage?
>
> Thanks!

There's a guy named wildwilly over at odyclub.com who might have a few
words to say about your situation.

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <0_adnde_-Z3HOZLfRVn-1w@adelphia.com>,
"Juntao Hu" <juntao@adelphia.net> wrote:

> I purchased a 2005 Odyssey EX-L, lured by the high gas mileage claimed by
> Honda: 20 miles/gallon for local and 28 miles/gallon for highway. After
> consuming a couple of tanks of gas, I noticed that the actually gas mileage
> is only 17 miles/gallon even I drive 70%-80% on highway. I wonder if anyone
> has comments on this. Does my car have some defects or Honda lied on gas
> mileage?
>
> Thanks!

There's a guy named wildwilly over at odyclub.com who might have a few
words to say about your situation.

motsco_ _

Juntao Hu wrote:
> I purchased a 2005 Odyssey EX-L, lured by the high gas mileage claimed by
> Honda: 20 miles/gallon for local and 28 miles/gallon for highway. After
> consuming a couple of tanks of gas, I noticed that the actually gas mileage
> is only 17 miles/gallon even I drive 70%-80% on highway. I wonder if anyone
> has comments on this. Does my car have some defects or Honda lied on gas
> mileage?
>
> Thanks!


-------------------------

Wait until after your first oil change (7,000 miles?) then start
tracking the mileage exactly, and the actual volume of fuel used (not
'tankfuls') and see whether it has improved. It useally gets better, and
beware that EPA ratings aren't too 'real', for some reason.

'Curly'

motsco_ _

Juntao Hu wrote:
> I purchased a 2005 Odyssey EX-L, lured by the high gas mileage claimed by
> Honda: 20 miles/gallon for local and 28 miles/gallon for highway. After
> consuming a couple of tanks of gas, I noticed that the actually gas mileage
> is only 17 miles/gallon even I drive 70%-80% on highway. I wonder if anyone
> has comments on this. Does my car have some defects or Honda lied on gas
> mileage?
>
> Thanks!


-------------------------

Wait until after your first oil change (7,000 miles?) then start
tracking the mileage exactly, and the actual volume of fuel used (not
'tankfuls') and see whether it has improved. It useally gets better, and
beware that EPA ratings aren't too 'real', for some reason.

'Curly'

jean-marc

"Juntao Hu" <juntao@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<0_adnde_-Z3HOZLfRVn-1w@adelphia.com>...
> I purchased a 2005 Odyssey EX-L, lured by the high gas mileage claimed by
> Honda: 20 miles/gallon for local and 28 miles/gallon for highway. After
> consuming a couple of tanks of gas, I noticed that the actually gas mileage
> is only 17 miles/gallon even I drive 70%-80% on highway. I wonder if anyone
> has comments on this. Does my car have some defects or Honda lied on gas
> mileage?
>
> Thanks!


Hello sir.

I'am in Canada,Québec and I have the same problem than you. I thing
Honda lied on this specification. I bought my 2005 Odyssey at the end
of november 2004. I listed all the tanks with all miles (KM) FROM THE
BEGINING and it's a big big joke. I have an EX edition. I try to find
solution with Honda but they are verry slow. I'm shure they know this
trouble (plus some others like electrical windows relay, lost of
program in the computer, lost of power on the sliding doors,
etc...)but they do'nt have solution at lower cost! If you want a copy
of my list, I can send it to you. Thanks and good luck with your new
Honda. (Excuse my english...)

jean-marc

"Juntao Hu" <juntao@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<0_adnde_-Z3HOZLfRVn-1w@adelphia.com>...
> I purchased a 2005 Odyssey EX-L, lured by the high gas mileage claimed by
> Honda: 20 miles/gallon for local and 28 miles/gallon for highway. After
> consuming a couple of tanks of gas, I noticed that the actually gas mileage
> is only 17 miles/gallon even I drive 70%-80% on highway. I wonder if anyone
> has comments on this. Does my car have some defects or Honda lied on gas
> mileage?
>
> Thanks!


Hello sir.

I'am in Canada,Québec and I have the same problem than you. I thing
Honda lied on this specification. I bought my 2005 Odyssey at the end
of november 2004. I listed all the tanks with all miles (KM) FROM THE
BEGINING and it's a big big joke. I have an EX edition. I try to find
solution with Honda but they are verry slow. I'm shure they know this
trouble (plus some others like electrical windows relay, lost of
program in the computer, lost of power on the sliding doors,
etc...)but they do'nt have solution at lower cost! If you want a copy
of my list, I can send it to you. Thanks and good luck with your new
Honda. (Excuse my english...)

TomP

jean-marc wrote:

> "Juntao Hu" <juntao@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<0_adnde_-Z3HOZLfRVn-1w@adelphia.com>...
> > I purchased a 2005 Odyssey EX-L, lured by the high gas mileage claimed by
> > Honda: 20 miles/gallon for local and 28 miles/gallon for highway. After
> > consuming a couple of tanks of gas, I noticed that the actually gas mileage
> > is only 17 miles/gallon even I drive 70%-80% on highway. I wonder if anyone
> > has comments on this. Does my car have some defects or Honda lied on gas
> > mileage?
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> Hello sir.
>
> I'am in Canada,Québec and I have the same problem than you. I thing
> Honda lied on this specification. I bought my 2005 Odyssey at the end
> of november 2004. I listed all the tanks with all miles (KM) FROM THE
> BEGINING and it's a big big joke. I have an EX edition. I try to find
> solution with Honda but they are verry slow. I'm shure they know this
> trouble (plus some others like electrical windows relay, lost of
> program in the computer, lost of power on the sliding doors,
> etc...)but they do'nt have solution at lower cost! If you want a copy
> of my list, I can send it to you. Thanks and good luck with your new
> Honda. (Excuse my english...)

Here's the reason you won't get the same mileage as the E.P.A. "ESTIMATES" you might get.


The below Q & A is from Honda Service News. You can ask your dealer for a copy if verify this info.
if you feel the need.


Tech Line fields many questions on fuel economy, including why some vehicles don't get the fuel
mileage estimates shown on the fuel economy label (part of the Monroney label that's on every new
car and truck). Before you read this Q & A, here's a sample label with an explanation of its
contents.

Question: Why can't I get the City and Highway mpg estimates shown on the label?

Answer: The mileage estimates on the label reflect the average mpg attained by similar vehicles in a
model line under controlled laboratory conditions and are not the result of an actual road test. And
remember, as stated on the fuel economy label: "Actual mileage will vary with options, driving
conditions, driving habits, and vehicle's condition."

Question: Just how are the EPA mileage estimates made anyway?

Answer: Test vehicles are run by professional drivers on a treadmill-like device that easures
exhaust emissions and fuel usage. During the test, the vehicle's headlights, A/C, heater, audio
unit, and all accessories are turned off. Upshifts on M/T vehicles are typically made at 15 mph (1st
to 2nd gear), 28 mph
(2nd to 3rd gear), 41 mph (3rd to 4th gear), and 52 mph (4th to 5th gear). The City portion of the
test simulates a 7.5 mile stop-and-go trip with an average speed of 20 mph. The trip takes 23
minutes, has 18 stops, and keeps the engine idling about 18 percent of the time to simulate rush
hour traffic delays.
The Highway portion of the test simulates a 10-mile drive with speeds averaging 48 mph. It's
run from a hot start in a mix of rural and interstate driving conditions. There are no stops, and
there's not much idling time. When both test results are known, the City mpg is lowered by 10
percent, and the
Highway mpg is lowered by 22 percent; this makes the results closer to real worldls fuel
consumption.

Question: How do I calculate mpg?

Answer: You divide the miles driven by the number of gallons of fuel that you
used.

Question: How can I increase my vehicle's mpg?

Answer: To increase your vehicle's mpg, do this:
.. As often as possible, accelerate slowly and smoothly, keep your engine speed below 3,000
rpm, and lower your road speed.
.. Keep your tires inflated to the specs listed on the doorjamb sticker.
.. Keep your vehicle in top condition by following the maintainance schedule
listed in your owner's manual and by using the recommended engine oil.

Question: Where can I get more info on fuel economy?

Answer: You can get a free copy of the Model Year 2001 Fuel Economy Guide by any of these
means:
Mail: National Alternative Fuels Hotline
9300 Lee Highway
Fairfax, VA 22031-1207
Phone: 800-423-1363
Internet: www.fueleconomy.gov










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TomP

jean-marc wrote:

> "Juntao Hu" <juntao@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<0_adnde_-Z3HOZLfRVn-1w@adelphia.com>...
> > I purchased a 2005 Odyssey EX-L, lured by the high gas mileage claimed by
> > Honda: 20 miles/gallon for local and 28 miles/gallon for highway. After
> > consuming a couple of tanks of gas, I noticed that the actually gas mileage
> > is only 17 miles/gallon even I drive 70%-80% on highway. I wonder if anyone
> > has comments on this. Does my car have some defects or Honda lied on gas
> > mileage?
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> Hello sir.
>
> I'am in Canada,Québec and I have the same problem than you. I thing
> Honda lied on this specification. I bought my 2005 Odyssey at the end
> of november 2004. I listed all the tanks with all miles (KM) FROM THE
> BEGINING and it's a big big joke. I have an EX edition. I try to find
> solution with Honda but they are verry slow. I'm shure they know this
> trouble (plus some others like electrical windows relay, lost of
> program in the computer, lost of power on the sliding doors,
> etc...)but they do'nt have solution at lower cost! If you want a copy
> of my list, I can send it to you. Thanks and good luck with your new
> Honda. (Excuse my english...)

Here's the reason you won't get the same mileage as the E.P.A. "ESTIMATES" you might get.


The below Q & A is from Honda Service News. You can ask your dealer for a copy if verify this info.
if you feel the need.


Tech Line fields many questions on fuel economy, including why some vehicles don't get the fuel
mileage estimates shown on the fuel economy label (part of the Monroney label that's on every new
car and truck). Before you read this Q & A, here's a sample label with an explanation of its
contents.

Question: Why can't I get the City and Highway mpg estimates shown on the label?

Answer: The mileage estimates on the label reflect the average mpg attained by similar vehicles in a
model line under controlled laboratory conditions and are not the result of an actual road test. And
remember, as stated on the fuel economy label: "Actual mileage will vary with options, driving
conditions, driving habits, and vehicle's condition."

Question: Just how are the EPA mileage estimates made anyway?

Answer: Test vehicles are run by professional drivers on a treadmill-like device that easures
exhaust emissions and fuel usage. During the test, the vehicle's headlights, A/C, heater, audio
unit, and all accessories are turned off. Upshifts on M/T vehicles are typically made at 15 mph (1st
to 2nd gear), 28 mph
(2nd to 3rd gear), 41 mph (3rd to 4th gear), and 52 mph (4th to 5th gear). The City portion of the
test simulates a 7.5 mile stop-and-go trip with an average speed of 20 mph. The trip takes 23
minutes, has 18 stops, and keeps the engine idling about 18 percent of the time to simulate rush
hour traffic delays.
The Highway portion of the test simulates a 10-mile drive with speeds averaging 48 mph. It's
run from a hot start in a mix of rural and interstate driving conditions. There are no stops, and
there's not much idling time. When both test results are known, the City mpg is lowered by 10
percent, and the
Highway mpg is lowered by 22 percent; this makes the results closer to real worldls fuel
consumption.

Question: How do I calculate mpg?

Answer: You divide the miles driven by the number of gallons of fuel that you
used.

Question: How can I increase my vehicle's mpg?

Answer: To increase your vehicle's mpg, do this:
.. As often as possible, accelerate slowly and smoothly, keep your engine speed below 3,000
rpm, and lower your road speed.
.. Keep your tires inflated to the specs listed on the doorjamb sticker.
.. Keep your vehicle in top condition by following the maintainance schedule
listed in your owner's manual and by using the recommended engine oil.

Question: Where can I get more info on fuel economy?

Answer: You can get a free copy of the Model Year 2001 Fuel Economy Guide by any of these
means:
Mail: National Alternative Fuels Hotline
9300 Lee Highway
Fairfax, VA 22031-1207
Phone: 800-423-1363
Internet: www.fueleconomy.gov










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No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...

magix23

You need to wait until at least your first oil change before you do any
testing.
"TomP" <roadcyc@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4229CF9C.D7598C36@socal.rr.com...
>
>
> jean-marc wrote:
>
>> "Juntao Hu" <juntao@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>> news:<0_adnde_-Z3HOZLfRVn-1w@adelphia.com>...
>> > I purchased a 2005 Odyssey EX-L, lured by the high gas mileage claimed
>> > by
>> > Honda: 20 miles/gallon for local and 28 miles/gallon for highway.
>> > After
>> > consuming a couple of tanks of gas, I noticed that the actually gas
>> > mileage
>> > is only 17 miles/gallon even I drive 70%-80% on highway. I wonder if
>> > anyone
>> > has comments on this. Does my car have some defects or Honda lied on
>> > gas
>> > mileage?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>>
>> Hello sir.
>>
>> I'am in Canada,Québec and I have the same problem than you. I thing
>> Honda lied on this specification. I bought my 2005 Odyssey at the end
>> of november 2004. I listed all the tanks with all miles (KM) FROM THE
>> BEGINING and it's a big big joke. I have an EX edition. I try to find
>> solution with Honda but they are verry slow. I'm shure they know this
>> trouble (plus some others like electrical windows relay, lost of
>> program in the computer, lost of power on the sliding doors,
>> etc...)but they do'nt have solution at lower cost! If you want a copy
>> of my list, I can send it to you. Thanks and good luck with your new
>> Honda. (Excuse my english...)
>
> Here's the reason you won't get the same mileage as the E.P.A.
> "ESTIMATES" you might get.
>
>
> The below Q & A is from Honda Service News. You can ask your dealer for a
> copy if verify this info.
> if you feel the need.
>
>
> Tech Line fields many questions on fuel economy, including why some
> vehicles don't get the fuel
> mileage estimates shown on the fuel economy label (part of the Monroney
> label that's on every new
> car and truck). Before you read this Q & A, here's a sample label with an
> explanation of its
> contents.
>
> Question: Why can't I get the City and Highway mpg estimates shown on the
> label?
>
> Answer: The mileage estimates on the label reflect the average mpg
> attained by similar vehicles in a
> model line under controlled laboratory conditions and are not the result
> of an actual road test. And
> remember, as stated on the fuel economy label: "Actual mileage will vary
> with options, driving
> conditions, driving habits, and vehicle's condition."
>
> Question: Just how are the EPA mileage estimates made anyway?
>
> Answer: Test vehicles are run by professional drivers on a treadmill-like
> device that easures
> exhaust emissions and fuel usage. During the test, the vehicle's
> headlights, A/C, heater, audio
> unit, and all accessories are turned off. Upshifts on M/T vehicles are
> typically made at 15 mph (1st
> to 2nd gear), 28 mph
> (2nd to 3rd gear), 41 mph (3rd to 4th gear), and 52 mph (4th to 5th gear).
> The City portion of the
> test simulates a 7.5 mile stop-and-go trip with an average speed of 20
> mph. The trip takes 23
> minutes, has 18 stops, and keeps the engine idling about 18 percent of the
> time to simulate rush
> hour traffic delays.
> The Highway portion of the test simulates a 10-mile drive with speeds
> averaging 48 mph. It's
> run from a hot start in a mix of rural and interstate driving conditions.
> There are no stops, and
> there's not much idling time. When both test results are known, the City
> mpg is lowered by 10
> percent, and the
> Highway mpg is lowered by 22 percent; this makes the results closer to
> real worldls fuel
> consumption.
>
> Question: How do I calculate mpg?
>
> Answer: You divide the miles driven by the number of gallons of fuel that
> you
> used.
>
> Question: How can I increase my vehicle's mpg?
>
> Answer: To increase your vehicle's mpg, do this:
> . As often as possible, accelerate slowly and smoothly, keep your engine
> speed below 3,000
> rpm, and lower your road speed.
> . Keep your tires inflated to the specs listed on the doorjamb sticker.
> . Keep your vehicle in top condition by following the maintainance
> schedule
> listed in your owner's manual and by using the recommended engine oil.
>
> Question: Where can I get more info on fuel economy?
>
> Answer: You can get a free copy of the Model Year 2001 Fuel Economy Guide
> by any of these
> means:
> Mail: National Alternative Fuels Hotline
> 9300 Lee Highway
> Fairfax, VA 22031-1207
> Phone: 800-423-1363
> Internet: www.fueleconomy.gov
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Tp,
>
> -------- __o
> ----- -\<. -------- __o
> --- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\<.
> -------------------- ( )/ ( )
> -----------------------------------------
>
> No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...
>
>

magix23

You need to wait until at least your first oil change before you do any
testing.
"TomP" <roadcyc@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4229CF9C.D7598C36@socal.rr.com...
>
>
> jean-marc wrote:
>
>> "Juntao Hu" <juntao@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>> news:<0_adnde_-Z3HOZLfRVn-1w@adelphia.com>...
>> > I purchased a 2005 Odyssey EX-L, lured by the high gas mileage claimed
>> > by
>> > Honda: 20 miles/gallon for local and 28 miles/gallon for highway.
>> > After
>> > consuming a couple of tanks of gas, I noticed that the actually gas
>> > mileage
>> > is only 17 miles/gallon even I drive 70%-80% on highway. I wonder if
>> > anyone
>> > has comments on this. Does my car have some defects or Honda lied on
>> > gas
>> > mileage?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>>
>> Hello sir.
>>
>> I'am in Canada,Québec and I have the same problem than you. I thing
>> Honda lied on this specification. I bought my 2005 Odyssey at the end
>> of november 2004. I listed all the tanks with all miles (KM) FROM THE
>> BEGINING and it's a big big joke. I have an EX edition. I try to find
>> solution with Honda but they are verry slow. I'm shure they know this
>> trouble (plus some others like electrical windows relay, lost of
>> program in the computer, lost of power on the sliding doors,
>> etc...)but they do'nt have solution at lower cost! If you want a copy
>> of my list, I can send it to you. Thanks and good luck with your new
>> Honda. (Excuse my english...)
>
> Here's the reason you won't get the same mileage as the E.P.A.
> "ESTIMATES" you might get.
>
>
> The below Q & A is from Honda Service News. You can ask your dealer for a
> copy if verify this info.
> if you feel the need.
>
>
> Tech Line fields many questions on fuel economy, including why some
> vehicles don't get the fuel
> mileage estimates shown on the fuel economy label (part of the Monroney
> label that's on every new
> car and truck). Before you read this Q & A, here's a sample label with an
> explanation of its
> contents.
>
> Question: Why can't I get the City and Highway mpg estimates shown on the
> label?
>
> Answer: The mileage estimates on the label reflect the average mpg
> attained by similar vehicles in a
> model line under controlled laboratory conditions and are not the result
> of an actual road test. And
> remember, as stated on the fuel economy label: "Actual mileage will vary
> with options, driving
> conditions, driving habits, and vehicle's condition."
>
> Question: Just how are the EPA mileage estimates made anyway?
>
> Answer: Test vehicles are run by professional drivers on a treadmill-like
> device that easures
> exhaust emissions and fuel usage. During the test, the vehicle's
> headlights, A/C, heater, audio
> unit, and all accessories are turned off. Upshifts on M/T vehicles are
> typically made at 15 mph (1st
> to 2nd gear), 28 mph
> (2nd to 3rd gear), 41 mph (3rd to 4th gear), and 52 mph (4th to 5th gear).
> The City portion of the
> test simulates a 7.5 mile stop-and-go trip with an average speed of 20
> mph. The trip takes 23
> minutes, has 18 stops, and keeps the engine idling about 18 percent of the
> time to simulate rush
> hour traffic delays.
> The Highway portion of the test simulates a 10-mile drive with speeds
> averaging 48 mph. It's
> run from a hot start in a mix of rural and interstate driving conditions.
> There are no stops, and
> there's not much idling time. When both test results are known, the City
> mpg is lowered by 10
> percent, and the
> Highway mpg is lowered by 22 percent; this makes the results closer to
> real worldls fuel
> consumption.
>
> Question: How do I calculate mpg?
>
> Answer: You divide the miles driven by the number of gallons of fuel that
> you
> used.
>
> Question: How can I increase my vehicle's mpg?
>
> Answer: To increase your vehicle's mpg, do this:
> . As often as possible, accelerate slowly and smoothly, keep your engine
> speed below 3,000
> rpm, and lower your road speed.
> . Keep your tires inflated to the specs listed on the doorjamb sticker.
> . Keep your vehicle in top condition by following the maintainance
> schedule
> listed in your owner's manual and by using the recommended engine oil.
>
> Question: Where can I get more info on fuel economy?
>
> Answer: You can get a free copy of the Model Year 2001 Fuel Economy Guide
> by any of these
> means:
> Mail: National Alternative Fuels Hotline
> 9300 Lee Highway
> Fairfax, VA 22031-1207
> Phone: 800-423-1363
> Internet: www.fueleconomy.gov
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Tp,
>
> -------- __o
> ----- -\<. -------- __o
> --- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\<.
> -------------------- ( )/ ( )
> -----------------------------------------
>
> No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...
>
>