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twfsa 08-13-2005 08:35 AM

Gas prices
 
If its $2.50 -3.00 per gal here whats is the price in Europe?

Tom



Woody 08-13-2005 09:23 AM

Re: Gas prices
 
UK was 90 pence a liter last month when I was there. U do the math....


"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:_OlLe.236$5U2.134@lakeread07...
> If its $2.50 -3.00 per gal here whats is the price in Europe?
>
> Tom
>




Woody 08-13-2005 09:23 AM

Re: Gas prices
 
UK was 90 pence a liter last month when I was there. U do the math....


"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:_OlLe.236$5U2.134@lakeread07...
> If its $2.50 -3.00 per gal here whats is the price in Europe?
>
> Tom
>




Michael Pardee 08-13-2005 09:55 AM

Re: Gas prices
 
$6.87/gallon US at today's rates

Mike

"Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message
news:bvmLe.1384$A%3.1363@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
> UK was 90 pence a liter last month when I was there. U do the math....
>
>
> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:_OlLe.236$5U2.134@lakeread07...
>> If its $2.50 -3.00 per gal here whats is the price in Europe?
>>
>> Tom
>>

>
>




Michael Pardee 08-13-2005 09:55 AM

Re: Gas prices
 
$6.87/gallon US at today's rates

Mike

"Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message
news:bvmLe.1384$A%3.1363@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
> UK was 90 pence a liter last month when I was there. U do the math....
>
>
> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:_OlLe.236$5U2.134@lakeread07...
>> If its $2.50 -3.00 per gal here whats is the price in Europe?
>>
>> Tom
>>

>
>




twfsa 08-13-2005 12:11 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is tight why are
there not any lines at the gas stations, I remember in 71 or 72 when the
arabs embargoed the US, the stations were closed early and on Sundays.

Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt build
refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as hell isn't any
crude on Mars or the ing moon!

Tom


"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:YcOdnRR7iq9RZmDfRVn-vA@sedona.net...
> $6.87/gallon US at today's rates
>
> Mike
>
> "Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message
> news:bvmLe.1384$A%3.1363@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
>> UK was 90 pence a liter last month when I was there. U do the math....
>>
>>
>> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
>> news:_OlLe.236$5U2.134@lakeread07...
>>> If its $2.50 -3.00 per gal here whats is the price in Europe?
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>

>>
>>

>
>




twfsa 08-13-2005 12:11 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is tight why are
there not any lines at the gas stations, I remember in 71 or 72 when the
arabs embargoed the US, the stations were closed early and on Sundays.

Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt build
refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as hell isn't any
crude on Mars or the ing moon!

Tom


"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:YcOdnRR7iq9RZmDfRVn-vA@sedona.net...
> $6.87/gallon US at today's rates
>
> Mike
>
> "Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message
> news:bvmLe.1384$A%3.1363@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
>> UK was 90 pence a liter last month when I was there. U do the math....
>>
>>
>> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
>> news:_OlLe.236$5U2.134@lakeread07...
>>> If its $2.50 -3.00 per gal here whats is the price in Europe?
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>

>>
>>

>
>




Paul 08-13-2005 12:41 PM

Re: Gas prices
 

"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
: Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is tight why are
: there not any lines at the gas stations, I remember in 71 or 72 when the
: arabs embargoed the US, the stations were closed early and on Sundays.
:
: Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt build
: refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as hell isn't any
: crude on Mars or the ing moon!
:
: Tom

It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market for crude is
controlled by traders who have the rest of us by the short hairs and know
it.

Paul



Paul 08-13-2005 12:41 PM

Re: Gas prices
 

"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
: Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is tight why are
: there not any lines at the gas stations, I remember in 71 or 72 when the
: arabs embargoed the US, the stations were closed early and on Sundays.
:
: Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt build
: refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as hell isn't any
: crude on Mars or the ing moon!
:
: Tom

It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market for crude is
controlled by traders who have the rest of us by the short hairs and know
it.

Paul



Larry J. 08-13-2005 02:26 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Paul"
<paulDONTSPAMMEmueller@mindspring.com> said:

> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
>: Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is
>: tight why are there not any lines at the gas stations, I
>: remember in 71 or 72 when the arabs embargoed the US, the
>: stations were closed early and on Sundays.
>:
>: Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt
>: build refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as
>: hell isn't any crude on Mars or the ing moon!
>:
>: Tom
>
> It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market
> for crude is controlled by traders who have the rest of us by
> the short hairs and know it.


http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm

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Larry J. 08-13-2005 02:26 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Paul"
<paulDONTSPAMMEmueller@mindspring.com> said:

> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
>: Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is
>: tight why are there not any lines at the gas stations, I
>: remember in 71 or 72 when the arabs embargoed the US, the
>: stations were closed early and on Sundays.
>:
>: Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt
>: build refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as
>: hell isn't any crude on Mars or the ing moon!
>:
>: Tom
>
> It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market
> for crude is controlled by traders who have the rest of us by
> the short hairs and know it.


http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm

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flobert 08-13-2005 03:01 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:55:23 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>$6.87/gallon US at today's rates


ACtually, $6.10.4 as of money, with a bbc reported average of
90.2p/litre, and monday evenings exchange rate. Remmeber uk and us
gallons are different sizes.

>
>Mike
>
>"Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message
>news:bvmLe.1384$A%3.1363@newssvr33.news.prodigy.c om...
>> UK was 90 pence a liter last month when I was there. U do the math....
>>
>>
>> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
>> news:_OlLe.236$5U2.134@lakeread07...
>>> If its $2.50 -3.00 per gal here whats is the price in Europe?
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>

>>
>>

>



flobert 08-13-2005 03:01 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:55:23 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>$6.87/gallon US at today's rates


ACtually, $6.10.4 as of money, with a bbc reported average of
90.2p/litre, and monday evenings exchange rate. Remmeber uk and us
gallons are different sizes.

>
>Mike
>
>"Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net> wrote in message
>news:bvmLe.1384$A%3.1363@newssvr33.news.prodigy.c om...
>> UK was 90 pence a liter last month when I was there. U do the math....
>>
>>
>> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
>> news:_OlLe.236$5U2.134@lakeread07...
>>> If its $2.50 -3.00 per gal here whats is the price in Europe?
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>

>>
>>

>



Michael Pardee 08-13-2005 03:20 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
"flobert" <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in message
news:apgsf11gk2ic1ildjsrj0mabmt4ekb5ovr@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:55:23 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>>$6.87/gallon US at today's rates

>
> ACtually, $6.10.4 as of money, with a bbc reported average of
> 90.2p/litre, and monday evenings exchange rate. Remmeber uk and us
> gallons are different sizes.
>

I used the currency converter at http://www.xe.com/ucc/ and the conversion
of 3.7854 L/Gal (US liquid). I went wrong somewhere, because the number with
the rate rate now is $6.18/gallon, which is much closer to your figure than
mine.

Mike



Michael Pardee 08-13-2005 03:20 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
"flobert" <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in message
news:apgsf11gk2ic1ildjsrj0mabmt4ekb5ovr@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:55:23 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>>$6.87/gallon US at today's rates

>
> ACtually, $6.10.4 as of money, with a bbc reported average of
> 90.2p/litre, and monday evenings exchange rate. Remmeber uk and us
> gallons are different sizes.
>

I used the currency converter at http://www.xe.com/ucc/ and the conversion
of 3.7854 L/Gal (US liquid). I went wrong somewhere, because the number with
the rate rate now is $6.18/gallon, which is much closer to your figure than
mine.

Mike



Ron M. 08-13-2005 04:38 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
> Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is tight why are
> there not any lines at the gas stations, I remember in 71 or 72 when the
> arabs embargoed the US, the stations were closed early and on Sundays.
>
> Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt build
> refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as hell isn't any
> crude on Mars or the ing moon!
>
> Tom


Energy companies are posting record profits. This is common knowledge.
They'll use ANYTHING as an excuse to raise the price of oil. A king in
Saudia Arabia dies. We should raise oil prices all over the world. There's a
hurricane PREDICTED to hit the Gulf of Mexico. We should raise oil prices.
You can drive by a gas station on your way to work one morning and on your
way home that same station's gas is ten cents higher per gallon. Same gas in
the underground tanks! :-( Amazing.

If people would stop buying energy/oil companies' stocks, and also start
unloading what they have you'd see gas prices come tumbling down. But it
will never happen because too many people are making big bucks on energy/oil
companies' stocks. No win situation for now.

Ron M.



Ron M. 08-13-2005 04:38 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
> Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is tight why are
> there not any lines at the gas stations, I remember in 71 or 72 when the
> arabs embargoed the US, the stations were closed early and on Sundays.
>
> Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt build
> refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as hell isn't any
> crude on Mars or the ing moon!
>
> Tom


Energy companies are posting record profits. This is common knowledge.
They'll use ANYTHING as an excuse to raise the price of oil. A king in
Saudia Arabia dies. We should raise oil prices all over the world. There's a
hurricane PREDICTED to hit the Gulf of Mexico. We should raise oil prices.
You can drive by a gas station on your way to work one morning and on your
way home that same station's gas is ten cents higher per gallon. Same gas in
the underground tanks! :-( Amazing.

If people would stop buying energy/oil companies' stocks, and also start
unloading what they have you'd see gas prices come tumbling down. But it
will never happen because too many people are making big bucks on energy/oil
companies' stocks. No win situation for now.

Ron M.



rjdriver 08-13-2005 05:02 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
>> It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market
>> for crude is controlled by traders who have the rest of us by
>> the short hairs and know it.

>
> http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm


The explanation at that link does not exactly apply to the current
situation, particularly the part about "Where the Money Goes". Profits are
obscenely higher than 13% for the Oil companies, and the Arabs. Pauls
explanation is exactly correct. We thought we were in a bad way when OPEC
was controlling the price. We didn't know when we were well off. OPEC
certainly could make it higher if they chose to, but they can no longer make
it drop significantly, no matter how much they increase production. The
traders and speculators are currently controlling that, and probably will
for the forseeable future as manufacturing in the third world continues to
grow. There is no shortage in the short term, but there is a large increase
in demand.


Bob


"Larry J." <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96B17460DCED5larrythefrog@68.6.19.6...
> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Paul"
> <paulDONTSPAMMEmueller@mindspring.com> said:
>
>> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
>> news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
>>: Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is
>>: tight why are there not any lines at the gas stations, I
>>: remember in 71 or 72 when the arabs embargoed the US, the
>>: stations were closed early and on Sundays.
>>:
>>: Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt
>>: build refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as
>>: hell isn't any crude on Mars or the ing moon!
>>:
>>: Tom
>>
>> It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market
>> for crude is controlled by traders who have the rest of us by
>> the short hairs and know it.

>
> http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm
>
> --
> Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
>
> The United States is the greatest country in the world..!
> Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong.




rjdriver 08-13-2005 05:02 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
>> It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market
>> for crude is controlled by traders who have the rest of us by
>> the short hairs and know it.

>
> http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm


The explanation at that link does not exactly apply to the current
situation, particularly the part about "Where the Money Goes". Profits are
obscenely higher than 13% for the Oil companies, and the Arabs. Pauls
explanation is exactly correct. We thought we were in a bad way when OPEC
was controlling the price. We didn't know when we were well off. OPEC
certainly could make it higher if they chose to, but they can no longer make
it drop significantly, no matter how much they increase production. The
traders and speculators are currently controlling that, and probably will
for the forseeable future as manufacturing in the third world continues to
grow. There is no shortage in the short term, but there is a large increase
in demand.


Bob


"Larry J." <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96B17460DCED5larrythefrog@68.6.19.6...
> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Paul"
> <paulDONTSPAMMEmueller@mindspring.com> said:
>
>> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
>> news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
>>: Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is
>>: tight why are there not any lines at the gas stations, I
>>: remember in 71 or 72 when the arabs embargoed the US, the
>>: stations were closed early and on Sundays.
>>:
>>: Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt
>>: build refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as
>>: hell isn't any crude on Mars or the ing moon!
>>:
>>: Tom
>>
>> It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market
>> for crude is controlled by traders who have the rest of us by
>> the short hairs and know it.

>
> http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm
>
> --
> Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
>
> The United States is the greatest country in the world..!
> Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong.




jim beam 08-14-2005 12:26 AM

Re: Gas prices
 
rjdriver wrote:
>>>It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market
>>>for crude is controlled by traders who have the rest of us by
>>>the short hairs and know it.

>>
>>http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm

>
>
> The explanation at that link does not exactly apply to the current
> situation


damned right it's not applicable. the "crack ", or the difference
between crude & refined fuel, is currently up near 20%. that's scary
high and a far cry from more traditional values at around 5%. add to
that all the monkey business about reducing calorific values and
refineries mysteriously coming off line just like power stations in the
middle of the california "electricity crisis", and you have an
interesting picture indeed.

>, particularly the part about "Where the Money Goes". Profits are
> obscenely higher than 13% for the Oil companies, and the Arabs. Pauls
> explanation is exactly correct. We thought we were in a bad way when OPEC
> was controlling the price. We didn't know when we were well off. OPEC
> certainly could make it higher if they chose to, but they can no longer make
> it drop significantly, no matter how much they increase production. The
> traders and speculators are currently controlling that, and probably will
> for the forseeable future as manufacturing in the third world continues to
> grow. There is no shortage in the short term, but there is a large increase
> in demand.
>
>
> Bob
>
>
> "Larry J." <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96B17460DCED5larrythefrog@68.6.19.6...
>
>>Waiving the right to remain silent, "Paul"
>><paulDONTSPAMMEmueller@mindspring.com> said:
>>
>>
>>>"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
>>>news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
>>>: Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is
>>>: tight why are there not any lines at the gas stations, I
>>>: remember in 71 or 72 when the arabs embargoed the US, the
>>>: stations were closed early and on Sundays.
>>>:
>>>: Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt
>>>: build refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as
>>>: hell isn't any crude on Mars or the ing moon!
>>>:
>>>: Tom
>>>
>>>It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market
>>>for crude is controlled by traders who have the rest of us by
>>>the short hairs and know it.

>>
>>http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm
>>
>>--
>> Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
>>
>> The United States is the greatest country in the world..!
>> Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong.

>
>
>



jim beam 08-14-2005 12:26 AM

Re: Gas prices
 
rjdriver wrote:
>>>It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market
>>>for crude is controlled by traders who have the rest of us by
>>>the short hairs and know it.

>>
>>http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm

>
>
> The explanation at that link does not exactly apply to the current
> situation


damned right it's not applicable. the "crack ", or the difference
between crude & refined fuel, is currently up near 20%. that's scary
high and a far cry from more traditional values at around 5%. add to
that all the monkey business about reducing calorific values and
refineries mysteriously coming off line just like power stations in the
middle of the california "electricity crisis", and you have an
interesting picture indeed.

>, particularly the part about "Where the Money Goes". Profits are
> obscenely higher than 13% for the Oil companies, and the Arabs. Pauls
> explanation is exactly correct. We thought we were in a bad way when OPEC
> was controlling the price. We didn't know when we were well off. OPEC
> certainly could make it higher if they chose to, but they can no longer make
> it drop significantly, no matter how much they increase production. The
> traders and speculators are currently controlling that, and probably will
> for the forseeable future as manufacturing in the third world continues to
> grow. There is no shortage in the short term, but there is a large increase
> in demand.
>
>
> Bob
>
>
> "Larry J." <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96B17460DCED5larrythefrog@68.6.19.6...
>
>>Waiving the right to remain silent, "Paul"
>><paulDONTSPAMMEmueller@mindspring.com> said:
>>
>>
>>>"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
>>>news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
>>>: Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is
>>>: tight why are there not any lines at the gas stations, I
>>>: remember in 71 or 72 when the arabs embargoed the US, the
>>>: stations were closed early and on Sundays.
>>>:
>>>: Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt
>>>: build refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as
>>>: hell isn't any crude on Mars or the ing moon!
>>>:
>>>: Tom
>>>
>>>It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market
>>>for crude is controlled by traders who have the rest of us by
>>>the short hairs and know it.

>>
>>http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm
>>
>>--
>> Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
>>
>> The United States is the greatest country in the world..!
>> Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong.

>
>
>



mopa 08-14-2005 10:43 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
Why charge 50 cents a gallon for gas when people will pay $5.00 for it?
plan and simple. The market will always go up for gasoline.

Right now in the middle east you can buy gasoline right from the cows
nipple, and it will only cost you say 0.13 (cents) usd for a gallon.
American's still buy expensive cars, drive big ass SCHOOL bus looking
SUV's, and because of it the rest of us have to suffer as you might
want to say.

We as people need to tell our government, this is enough!


mopa 08-14-2005 10:43 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
Why charge 50 cents a gallon for gas when people will pay $5.00 for it?
plan and simple. The market will always go up for gasoline.

Right now in the middle east you can buy gasoline right from the cows
nipple, and it will only cost you say 0.13 (cents) usd for a gallon.
American's still buy expensive cars, drive big ass SCHOOL bus looking
SUV's, and because of it the rest of us have to suffer as you might
want to say.

We as people need to tell our government, this is enough!


T L via CarKB.com 08-14-2005 11:10 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
its 4.54Litres/Imperial Gallon

Michael Pardee wrote:
>>>$6.87/gallon US at today's rates

>>
>> ACtually, $6.10.4 as of money, with a bbc reported average of
>> 90.2p/litre, and monday evenings exchange rate. Remmeber uk and us
>> gallons are different sizes.

>
>I used the currency converter at http://www.xe.com/ucc/ and the conversion
>of 3.7854 L/Gal (US liquid). I went wrong somewhere, because the number with
>the rate rate now is $6.18/gallon, which is much closer to your figure than
>mine.
>
>Mike



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T L via CarKB.com 08-14-2005 11:10 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
its 4.54Litres/Imperial Gallon

Michael Pardee wrote:
>>>$6.87/gallon US at today's rates

>>
>> ACtually, $6.10.4 as of money, with a bbc reported average of
>> 90.2p/litre, and monday evenings exchange rate. Remmeber uk and us
>> gallons are different sizes.

>
>I used the currency converter at http://www.xe.com/ucc/ and the conversion
>of 3.7854 L/Gal (US liquid). I went wrong somewhere, because the number with
>the rate rate now is $6.18/gallon, which is much closer to your figure than
>mine.
>
>Mike



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Bruce K. Blackwell 08-15-2005 08:15 AM

Re: Gas prices
 

"Ron M." <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:11fsmjghen3ik04@corp.supernews.com...
> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
>> Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is tight why
>> are
>> there not any lines at the gas stations, I remember in 71 or 72 when the
>> arabs embargoed the US, the stations were closed early and on Sundays.
>>
>> Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt build
>> refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as hell isn't any
>> crude on Mars or the ing moon!
>>
>> Tom

>
> Energy companies are posting record profits. This is common knowledge.
> They'll use ANYTHING as an excuse to raise the price of oil. A king in
> Saudia Arabia dies. We should raise oil prices all over the world. There's
> a
> hurricane PREDICTED to hit the Gulf of Mexico. We should raise oil prices.
> You can drive by a gas station on your way to work one morning and on your
> way home that same station's gas is ten cents higher per gallon. Same gas
> in
> the underground tanks! :-( Amazing.
>
> If people would stop buying energy/oil companies' stocks, and also start
> unloading what they have you'd see gas prices come tumbling down. But it
> will never happen because too many people are making big bucks on
> energy/oil
> companies' stocks. No win situation for now.
>
> Ron M.


Investors will not be selling their energy company shares any time soon so
you can disabuse yourself of that notion. The way to bring down gasoline and
diesel prices is to decrease the consumer's demand. The way to do that is
for everyone to drive dinky little cars with 3 cylinder 900cc engines and to
make airplane flight illegal except in emergency (whatever the bureaucrats
determine that to be). It didn't require the help of Nostradamus to envision
today's energy reality after the attacks of 9/11. I dumped my gas-guzzler
and purchased a Civic 5-speed soon after that. It also can't hurt to keep
some 5 gallon cans around to purchase gasoline on the days when the price is
relatively low (don't leave them near the operating gas grill). I endured
waiting in 1974 for gas in my '71 Cutlass 350 and vowed to never do that
again. Recently the gas lines were a mile long in Pensacola before hurricane
Dennis. DejaVu all over again.........



Bruce K. Blackwell 08-15-2005 08:15 AM

Re: Gas prices
 

"Ron M." <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:11fsmjghen3ik04@corp.supernews.com...
> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
>> Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is tight why
>> are
>> there not any lines at the gas stations, I remember in 71 or 72 when the
>> arabs embargoed the US, the stations were closed early and on Sundays.
>>
>> Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt build
>> refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as hell isn't any
>> crude on Mars or the ing moon!
>>
>> Tom

>
> Energy companies are posting record profits. This is common knowledge.
> They'll use ANYTHING as an excuse to raise the price of oil. A king in
> Saudia Arabia dies. We should raise oil prices all over the world. There's
> a
> hurricane PREDICTED to hit the Gulf of Mexico. We should raise oil prices.
> You can drive by a gas station on your way to work one morning and on your
> way home that same station's gas is ten cents higher per gallon. Same gas
> in
> the underground tanks! :-( Amazing.
>
> If people would stop buying energy/oil companies' stocks, and also start
> unloading what they have you'd see gas prices come tumbling down. But it
> will never happen because too many people are making big bucks on
> energy/oil
> companies' stocks. No win situation for now.
>
> Ron M.


Investors will not be selling their energy company shares any time soon so
you can disabuse yourself of that notion. The way to bring down gasoline and
diesel prices is to decrease the consumer's demand. The way to do that is
for everyone to drive dinky little cars with 3 cylinder 900cc engines and to
make airplane flight illegal except in emergency (whatever the bureaucrats
determine that to be). It didn't require the help of Nostradamus to envision
today's energy reality after the attacks of 9/11. I dumped my gas-guzzler
and purchased a Civic 5-speed soon after that. It also can't hurt to keep
some 5 gallon cans around to purchase gasoline on the days when the price is
relatively low (don't leave them near the operating gas grill). I endured
waiting in 1974 for gas in my '71 Cutlass 350 and vowed to never do that
again. Recently the gas lines were a mile long in Pensacola before hurricane
Dennis. DejaVu all over again.........



lab~rat 08-16-2005 09:11 AM

Re: Gas prices
 
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 11:11:08 -0500, "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> puked:

>
>Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt build
>refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as hell isn't any
>crude on Mars or the ing moon!


Because there's a faction of Americans that don't want them built and
don't want us drilling for oil in the US.
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lab~rat 08-16-2005 09:11 AM

Re: Gas prices
 
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 11:11:08 -0500, "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> puked:

>
>Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt build
>refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as hell isn't any
>crude on Mars or the ing moon!


Because there's a faction of Americans that don't want them built and
don't want us drilling for oil in the US.
--
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lab~rat 08-16-2005 09:14 AM

Re: Gas prices
 
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:15:57 -0500, "Bruce K. Blackwell"
<bb6970nospam@cox.net> puked:

>>
>> If people would stop buying energy/oil companies' stocks, and also start
>> unloading what they have you'd see gas prices come tumbling down. But it
>> will never happen because too many people are making big bucks on
>> energy/oil
>> companies' stocks. No win situation for now.
>>
>> Ron M.

>
>Investors will not be selling their energy company shares any time soon so
>you can disabuse yourself of that notion. The way to bring down gasoline and
>diesel prices is to decrease the consumer's demand.


Of course gas and diesel is only a portion of where the oil goes.
Maybe you can stop buying products made out of plastic and fill your
crankcase and transmission with corn oil as well...
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lab~rat 08-16-2005 09:14 AM

Re: Gas prices
 
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:15:57 -0500, "Bruce K. Blackwell"
<bb6970nospam@cox.net> puked:

>>
>> If people would stop buying energy/oil companies' stocks, and also start
>> unloading what they have you'd see gas prices come tumbling down. But it
>> will never happen because too many people are making big bucks on
>> energy/oil
>> companies' stocks. No win situation for now.
>>
>> Ron M.

>
>Investors will not be selling their energy company shares any time soon so
>you can disabuse yourself of that notion. The way to bring down gasoline and
>diesel prices is to decrease the consumer's demand.


Of course gas and diesel is only a portion of where the oil goes.
Maybe you can stop buying products made out of plastic and fill your
crankcase and transmission with corn oil as well...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

Chris B 08-16-2005 09:39 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
Paul wrote:
> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
> : Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is tight why are
> : there not any lines at the gas stations, I remember in 71 or 72 when the
> : arabs embargoed the US, the stations were closed early and on Sundays.
> :
> : Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt build
> : refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as hell isn't any
> : crude on Mars or the ing moon!
> :
> : Tom
>
> It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market for crude is
> controlled by traders who have the rest of us by the short hairs and know
> it.
>
> Paul
>
>

Don't forget about the "Peak Oil" theory: http://www.peakoil.org/

Chris B 08-16-2005 09:39 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
Paul wrote:
> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
> : Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is tight why are
> : there not any lines at the gas stations, I remember in 71 or 72 when the
> : arabs embargoed the US, the stations were closed early and on Sundays.
> :
> : Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt build
> : refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as hell isn't any
> : crude on Mars or the ing moon!
> :
> : Tom
>
> It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market for crude is
> controlled by traders who have the rest of us by the short hairs and know
> it.
>
> Paul
>
>

Don't forget about the "Peak Oil" theory: http://www.peakoil.org/

Andy Dufrense 08-17-2005 01:12 AM

Re: Gas prices
 
Exon posted profits of 7.8 bilion this yr/5.2 billion last yr. You
don't need a Stanford Education to fiqure whats really going on!

Who's you Daddy??????????


On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:26:25 GMT, "Larry J."
<usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:

>Waiving the right to remain silent, "Paul"
><paulDONTSPAMMEmueller@mindspring.com> said:
>
>> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
>> news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
>>: Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is
>>: tight why are there not any lines at the gas stations, I
>>: remember in 71 or 72 when the arabs embargoed the US, the
>>: stations were closed early and on Sundays.
>>:
>>: Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt
>>: build refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as
>>: hell isn't any crude on Mars or the ing moon!
>>:
>>: Tom
>>
>> It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market
>> for crude is controlled by traders who have the rest of us by
>> the short hairs and know it.

>
>http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm



Andy Dufrense 08-17-2005 01:12 AM

Re: Gas prices
 
Exon posted profits of 7.8 bilion this yr/5.2 billion last yr. You
don't need a Stanford Education to fiqure whats really going on!

Who's you Daddy??????????


On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:26:25 GMT, "Larry J."
<usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:

>Waiving the right to remain silent, "Paul"
><paulDONTSPAMMEmueller@mindspring.com> said:
>
>> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
>> news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
>>: Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is
>>: tight why are there not any lines at the gas stations, I
>>: remember in 71 or 72 when the arabs embargoed the US, the
>>: stations were closed early and on Sundays.
>>:
>>: Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt
>>: build refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as
>>: hell isn't any crude on Mars or the ing moon!
>>:
>>: Tom
>>
>> It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market
>> for crude is controlled by traders who have the rest of us by
>> the short hairs and know it.

>
>http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm



Michael Pardee 08-17-2005 08:25 AM

Re: Gas prices
 
"Andy Dufrense" <itsmerw@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:slh5g15ic1igeu60ufha98lrgc0fie3qn4@4ax.com...
> Exon posted profits of 7.8 bilion this yr/5.2 billion last yr. You
> don't need a Stanford Education to fiqure whats really going on!
>

I assume you now have invested heavily in Exxon. If you don't live it, you
don't believe it.

Mike



Michael Pardee 08-17-2005 08:25 AM

Re: Gas prices
 
"Andy Dufrense" <itsmerw@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:slh5g15ic1igeu60ufha98lrgc0fie3qn4@4ax.com...
> Exon posted profits of 7.8 bilion this yr/5.2 billion last yr. You
> don't need a Stanford Education to fiqure whats really going on!
>

I assume you now have invested heavily in Exxon. If you don't live it, you
don't believe it.

Mike



Larry J. 08-17-2005 02:27 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
Waiving the right to remain silent, Andy Dufrense
<itsmerw@comcast.net> said:

> Exon posted profits of 7.8 bilion this yr/5.2 billion last yr. You
> don't need a Stanford Education to fiqure whats really going on!


Tree, but even a modest education could show you that oil companies
can also lose money, as this cite shows:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1615961.stm

> Who's you Daddy??????????


Why do you ask..?

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Larry J. 08-17-2005 02:27 PM

Re: Gas prices
 
Waiving the right to remain silent, Andy Dufrense
<itsmerw@comcast.net> said:

> Exon posted profits of 7.8 bilion this yr/5.2 billion last yr. You
> don't need a Stanford Education to fiqure whats really going on!


Tree, but even a modest education could show you that oil companies
can also lose money, as this cite shows:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1615961.stm

> Who's you Daddy??????????


Why do you ask..?

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Michael Selin 08-23-2005 11:59 AM

Re: Gas prices
 

"Andy Dufrense" <itsmerw@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:slh5g15ic1igeu60ufha98lrgc0fie3qn4@4ax.com...
That 7.8 was for the last quater, not the whole year. Last year their profit
was 25 billion and this year will most likely be in excess of 30 billion.
Here in the US we could be happy with the price compared to Europe.
Venezuela has gas for 12 cents a gallon. wow.....happy socialists
wow again,,,12 cents a gallon..Exxon should pull their supr tankers up to
the pump. Then we could have real cheep gas again. wow again 12 cents a
gallon
> Exon posted profits of 7.8 bilion this yr/5.2 billion last yr. You
> don't need a Stanford Education to fiqure whats really going on!
>
> Who's you Daddy??????????
>
>
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:26:25 GMT, "Larry J."
> <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:
>
> >Waiving the right to remain silent, "Paul"
> ><paulDONTSPAMMEmueller@mindspring.com> said:
> >
> >> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> >> news:KYoLe.247$5U2.86@lakeread07...
> >>: Here's whats funny about all this bullshit, if the supply is
> >>: tight why are there not any lines at the gas stations, I
> >>: remember in 71 or 72 when the arabs embargoed the US, the
> >>: stations were closed early and on Sundays.
> >>:
> >>: Instead of going to the moon or mars why doesn't the govermemt
> >>: build refinerys on federal land, at least 10 to start. Sure as
> >>: hell isn't any crude on Mars or the ing moon!
> >>:
> >>: Tom
> >>
> >> It's not a supply problem. It's just the fact that the market
> >> for crude is controlled by traders who have the rest of us by
> >> the short hairs and know it.

> >
> >http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm

>





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