Re: Is gear lubrication fluid different from ATF?
 

>
> Nice answer Dave, are you a regular on this forum?
>
> http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi
>
> One can only hope that the specs for the fluids will be in the owners'
> manual. More and more they are coming out with "part numbers" instead
> of weights and it's a guessing game how heavy or light the fluid needs
> to be, let alone the additive package (friction modifiers, barrier
> anti-wear adds, etc ...)
>
> Honda CRV double-pump fluid is/was one of those. I called Dave
> Granquist at Red Line about this a couple years ago and even he didn't
> know if any of their fluids would meet the Honda spec. :rolleyes:
>
> --- Bror Jace
Yes, I am a regular reader as a proud, past owner of a 1981 Civic (it gave
up after three teen-age boys, two rollovers and about 14 Alaska winters),
present owner of a 1986 Civic fordor, and an Element (2003). I only reply,
however, when I feel I can contribute something useful or clarify some
obscure point. Thanks for the nice words though.
Dave D

Re: Is gear lubrication fluid different from ATF?
 

>
> Nice answer Dave, are you a regular on this forum?
>
> http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi
>
> One can only hope that the specs for the fluids will be in the owners'
> manual. More and more they are coming out with "part numbers" instead
> of weights and it's a guessing game how heavy or light the fluid needs
> to be, let alone the additive package (friction modifiers, barrier
> anti-wear adds, etc ...)
>
> Honda CRV double-pump fluid is/was one of those. I called Dave
> Granquist at Red Line about this a couple years ago and even he didn't
> know if any of their fluids would meet the Honda spec. :rolleyes:
>
> --- Bror Jace
Yes, I am a regular reader as a proud, past owner of a 1981 Civic (it gave
up after three teen-age boys, two rollovers and about 14 Alaska winters),
present owner of a 1986 Civic fordor, and an Element (2003). I only reply,
however, when I feel I can contribute something useful or clarify some
obscure point. Thanks for the nice words though.
Dave D

Re: Is gear lubrication fluid different from ATF?
 

>
> Nice answer Dave, are you a regular on this forum?
>
> http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi
>
> One can only hope that the specs for the fluids will be in the owners'
> manual. More and more they are coming out with "part numbers" instead
> of weights and it's a guessing game how heavy or light the fluid needs
> to be, let alone the additive package (friction modifiers, barrier
> anti-wear adds, etc ...)
>
> Honda CRV double-pump fluid is/was one of those. I called Dave
> Granquist at Red Line about this a couple years ago and even he didn't
> know if any of their fluids would meet the Honda spec. :rolleyes:
>
> --- Bror Jace
Yes, I am a regular reader as a proud, past owner of a 1981 Civic (it gave
up after three teen-age boys, two rollovers and about 14 Alaska winters),
present owner of a 1986 Civic fordor, and an Element (2003). I only reply,
however, when I feel I can contribute something useful or clarify some
obscure point. Thanks for the nice words though.
Dave D

Re: Is gear lubrication fluid different from ATF?
 

>
> Nice answer Dave, are you a regular on this forum?
>
> http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi
>
> One can only hope that the specs for the fluids will be in the owners'
> manual. More and more they are coming out with "part numbers" instead
> of weights and it's a guessing game how heavy or light the fluid needs
> to be, let alone the additive package (friction modifiers, barrier
> anti-wear adds, etc ...)
>
> Honda CRV double-pump fluid is/was one of those. I called Dave
> Granquist at Red Line about this a couple years ago and even he didn't
> know if any of their fluids would meet the Honda spec. :rolleyes:
>
> --- Bror Jace
Yes, I am a regular reader as a proud, past owner of a 1981 Civic (it gave
up after three teen-age boys, two rollovers and about 14 Alaska winters),
present owner of a 1986 Civic fordor, and an Element (2003). I only reply,
however, when I feel I can contribute something useful or clarify some
obscure point. Thanks for the nice words though.
Dave D

Re: Is gear lubrication fluid different from ATF?
 

CRV dual pump fluid is unique to the CRV. It looks like ATF but regular
ATF will not work in the Dual Pump unit. The clutches will not function
properly causing a harsh chattering on turns.Although Genuine Honda
ATF-Z1 fluid has been used.

There is no substitute for the VTM-4 fluid in the rear diff of the
Pilot/MDX though.

In a Honda manual transmission 5w30/10w30 motor oil is acceptable. ATF
can be used as well (Acura TechLine used to recommend that off the
record) in cold climates. Never! use 'gear' lube regardless of viscosity
in a Honda manual transmission, it's too thick to properly lubricate the
gears in the end case, they will die an ugly death.


Bror Jace wrote:
> "Dave Dodson" <ddodson@gci.net> wrote in message news:<vt0gh2dl13ilae@corp.supernews.com>...
>
>
>>Steve,
>>Regardless of the other replies, ATF = Automatic Transmission Fluid. Gear
>>lube = gear lubricant. Differences, viscosity, application, and performance.
>>ATF is light weight petroleum based product very closely related to (in
>>composition and application) to hydraulic fluid. Gear lube is a heavy weight
>>oil or a very light weight grease (take your pick) viscosity in the range of
>>70weight to 120weight (in some cases even higher). Gear lube is used in
>>differentials, manual transmissions, and transfer cases on many vehicles
>>ranging from passenger cars to heavy equipment. Honda, however, uses engine
>>oil as lube for their manual transmissions. At least in most cases as I
>>recall. If your Pilot has a manual transfer case, to control 2WD or 4WD then
>>you might have gear lube in it. As was recommended, check your owner's
>>manual. Specifications for lubricants will be therein contained.
>>
>>Dave D
>
>
> Nice answer Dave, are you a regular on this forum?
>
> http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi
>
> One can only hope that the specs for the fluids will be in the owners'
> manual. More and more they are coming out with "part numbers" instead
> of weights and it's a guessing game how heavy or light the fluid needs
> to be, let alone the additive package (friction modifiers, barrier
> anti-wear adds, etc ...)
>
> Honda CRV double-pump fluid is/was one of those. I called Dave
> Granquist at Red Line about this a couple years ago and even he didn't
> know if any of their fluids would meet the Honda spec. :rolleyes:
>
> --- Bror Jace

Re: Is gear lubrication fluid different from ATF?
 

CRV dual pump fluid is unique to the CRV. It looks like ATF but regular
ATF will not work in the Dual Pump unit. The clutches will not function
properly causing a harsh chattering on turns.Although Genuine Honda
ATF-Z1 fluid has been used.

There is no substitute for the VTM-4 fluid in the rear diff of the
Pilot/MDX though.

In a Honda manual transmission 5w30/10w30 motor oil is acceptable. ATF
can be used as well (Acura TechLine used to recommend that off the
record) in cold climates. Never! use 'gear' lube regardless of viscosity
in a Honda manual transmission, it's too thick to properly lubricate the
gears in the end case, they will die an ugly death.


Bror Jace wrote:
> "Dave Dodson" <ddodson@gci.net> wrote in message news:<vt0gh2dl13ilae@corp.supernews.com>...
>
>
>>Steve,
>>Regardless of the other replies, ATF = Automatic Transmission Fluid. Gear
>>lube = gear lubricant. Differences, viscosity, application, and performance.
>>ATF is light weight petroleum based product very closely related to (in
>>composition and application) to hydraulic fluid. Gear lube is a heavy weight
>>oil or a very light weight grease (take your pick) viscosity in the range of
>>70weight to 120weight (in some cases even higher). Gear lube is used in
>>differentials, manual transmissions, and transfer cases on many vehicles
>>ranging from passenger cars to heavy equipment. Honda, however, uses engine
>>oil as lube for their manual transmissions. At least in most cases as I
>>recall. If your Pilot has a manual transfer case, to control 2WD or 4WD then
>>you might have gear lube in it. As was recommended, check your owner's
>>manual. Specifications for lubricants will be therein contained.
>>
>>Dave D
>
>
> Nice answer Dave, are you a regular on this forum?
>
> http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi
>
> One can only hope that the specs for the fluids will be in the owners'
> manual. More and more they are coming out with "part numbers" instead
> of weights and it's a guessing game how heavy or light the fluid needs
> to be, let alone the additive package (friction modifiers, barrier
> anti-wear adds, etc ...)
>
> Honda CRV double-pump fluid is/was one of those. I called Dave
> Granquist at Red Line about this a couple years ago and even he didn't
> know if any of their fluids would meet the Honda spec. :rolleyes:
>
> --- Bror Jace

Re: Is gear lubrication fluid different from ATF?
 

CRV dual pump fluid is unique to the CRV. It looks like ATF but regular
ATF will not work in the Dual Pump unit. The clutches will not function
properly causing a harsh chattering on turns.Although Genuine Honda
ATF-Z1 fluid has been used.

There is no substitute for the VTM-4 fluid in the rear diff of the
Pilot/MDX though.

In a Honda manual transmission 5w30/10w30 motor oil is acceptable. ATF
can be used as well (Acura TechLine used to recommend that off the
record) in cold climates. Never! use 'gear' lube regardless of viscosity
in a Honda manual transmission, it's too thick to properly lubricate the
gears in the end case, they will die an ugly death.


Bror Jace wrote:
> "Dave Dodson" <ddodson@gci.net> wrote in message news:<vt0gh2dl13ilae@corp.supernews.com>...
>
>
>>Steve,
>>Regardless of the other replies, ATF = Automatic Transmission Fluid. Gear
>>lube = gear lubricant. Differences, viscosity, application, and performance.
>>ATF is light weight petroleum based product very closely related to (in
>>composition and application) to hydraulic fluid. Gear lube is a heavy weight
>>oil or a very light weight grease (take your pick) viscosity in the range of
>>70weight to 120weight (in some cases even higher). Gear lube is used in
>>differentials, manual transmissions, and transfer cases on many vehicles
>>ranging from passenger cars to heavy equipment. Honda, however, uses engine
>>oil as lube for their manual transmissions. At least in most cases as I
>>recall. If your Pilot has a manual transfer case, to control 2WD or 4WD then
>>you might have gear lube in it. As was recommended, check your owner's
>>manual. Specifications for lubricants will be therein contained.
>>
>>Dave D
>
>
> Nice answer Dave, are you a regular on this forum?
>
> http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi
>
> One can only hope that the specs for the fluids will be in the owners'
> manual. More and more they are coming out with "part numbers" instead
> of weights and it's a guessing game how heavy or light the fluid needs
> to be, let alone the additive package (friction modifiers, barrier
> anti-wear adds, etc ...)
>
> Honda CRV double-pump fluid is/was one of those. I called Dave
> Granquist at Red Line about this a couple years ago and even he didn't
> know if any of their fluids would meet the Honda spec. :rolleyes:
>
> --- Bror Jace

Re: Is gear lubrication fluid different from ATF?
 

CRV dual pump fluid is unique to the CRV. It looks like ATF but regular
ATF will not work in the Dual Pump unit. The clutches will not function
properly causing a harsh chattering on turns.Although Genuine Honda
ATF-Z1 fluid has been used.

There is no substitute for the VTM-4 fluid in the rear diff of the
Pilot/MDX though.

In a Honda manual transmission 5w30/10w30 motor oil is acceptable. ATF
can be used as well (Acura TechLine used to recommend that off the
record) in cold climates. Never! use 'gear' lube regardless of viscosity
in a Honda manual transmission, it's too thick to properly lubricate the
gears in the end case, they will die an ugly death.


Bror Jace wrote:
> "Dave Dodson" <ddodson@gci.net> wrote in message news:<vt0gh2dl13ilae@corp.supernews.com>...
>
>
>>Steve,
>>Regardless of the other replies, ATF = Automatic Transmission Fluid. Gear
>>lube = gear lubricant. Differences, viscosity, application, and performance.
>>ATF is light weight petroleum based product very closely related to (in
>>composition and application) to hydraulic fluid. Gear lube is a heavy weight
>>oil or a very light weight grease (take your pick) viscosity in the range of
>>70weight to 120weight (in some cases even higher). Gear lube is used in
>>differentials, manual transmissions, and transfer cases on many vehicles
>>ranging from passenger cars to heavy equipment. Honda, however, uses engine
>>oil as lube for their manual transmissions. At least in most cases as I
>>recall. If your Pilot has a manual transfer case, to control 2WD or 4WD then
>>you might have gear lube in it. As was recommended, check your owner's
>>manual. Specifications for lubricants will be therein contained.
>>
>>Dave D
>
>
> Nice answer Dave, are you a regular on this forum?
>
> http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi
>
> One can only hope that the specs for the fluids will be in the owners'
> manual. More and more they are coming out with "part numbers" instead
> of weights and it's a guessing game how heavy or light the fluid needs
> to be, let alone the additive package (friction modifiers, barrier
> anti-wear adds, etc ...)
>
> Honda CRV double-pump fluid is/was one of those. I called Dave
> Granquist at Red Line about this a couple years ago and even he didn't
> know if any of their fluids would meet the Honda spec. :rolleyes:
>
> --- Bror Jace