GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
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Re: GM still outsell Honda
In article <9aqcnXVTyP0U1E7ZUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
> That is true a recall simply means they have discover a problem and are
> offering to fix it for free. However Ford has sold many million more
> vehicles than Toyota, for the past eight years, and Ford is not under
> indictment for trying to hide things for those eight years, as is the case
> with Toyota
and mighty GM!
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
> That is true a recall simply means they have discover a problem and are
> offering to fix it for free. However Ford has sold many million more
> vehicles than Toyota, for the past eight years, and Ford is not under
> indictment for trying to hide things for those eight years, as is the case
> with Toyota
and mighty GM!
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Re: GM still outsell Honda
In article <9aqcnXVTyP0U1E7ZUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
> That is true a recall simply means they have discover a problem and are
> offering to fix it for free. However Ford has sold many million more
> vehicles than Toyota, for the past eight years, and Ford is not under
> indictment for trying to hide things for those eight years, as is the case
> with Toyota
and mighty GM!
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
> That is true a recall simply means they have discover a problem and are
> offering to fix it for free. However Ford has sold many million more
> vehicles than Toyota, for the past eight years, and Ford is not under
> indictment for trying to hide things for those eight years, as is the case
> with Toyota
and mighty GM!
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Re: GM still outsell Honda
In article <9aqcnXVTyP0U1E7ZUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
> That is true a recall simply means they have discover a problem and are
> offering to fix it for free. However Ford has sold many million more
> vehicles than Toyota, for the past eight years, and Ford is not under
> indictment for trying to hide things for those eight years, as is the case
> with Toyota
and mighty GM!
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
> That is true a recall simply means they have discover a problem and are
> offering to fix it for free. However Ford has sold many million more
> vehicles than Toyota, for the past eight years, and Ford is not under
> indictment for trying to hide things for those eight years, as is the case
> with Toyota
and mighty GM!
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Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
Ancient_Hacker wrote:
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>
>>Toyota and Honda sales are bolstered by the midget cars that are in vogue
>>today. GM and Ford do not offer midget cars. Seems to me that is
>>temporary. Midget car buyers are not generally the average US new vehicle
>>buyers that buys a new vehicle every three or four years. Fords hit was the
>>F150, but it is end of the model year. Major F150 buyers will soon be
>>buying 2007s, not leftovers.
>
>
>
> The main F150 assembly plant in St. Paul is just coming back form a
> many-week furlogh, with discussions of going to just one shift instead
> of two, and mgmt hinting of more furloughs later this year.
>
The US large personal truck/SUV market is going to contract by about 50%
from it's peak. That is what it will take to get back to the 20-25%
share of sales which represent the people who have a real need for
trucks and are not simply buying them because it is a fad to do so.
Fads come and go, and the every man, woman and child needs a Suburban
sized vehicle to sit in stop and go traffic with fad has run it's
course. Who is going to go to a party and brag about their new
Expedition today? Nobody. But, drive up in a tres chic Toyota Prius
and you have something to talk about.
The genius of Toyota is that they have strong contenders in every market
segment of consequence from the Prius on one end to the Land Cruiser on
the other. Why can the world's second largest auto maker field a more
competitive line-up world wide than do GM or Ford?
Hula hoops, beanie babies or Razer scooters anyone?
John
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>
>>Toyota and Honda sales are bolstered by the midget cars that are in vogue
>>today. GM and Ford do not offer midget cars. Seems to me that is
>>temporary. Midget car buyers are not generally the average US new vehicle
>>buyers that buys a new vehicle every three or four years. Fords hit was the
>>F150, but it is end of the model year. Major F150 buyers will soon be
>>buying 2007s, not leftovers.
>
>
>
> The main F150 assembly plant in St. Paul is just coming back form a
> many-week furlogh, with discussions of going to just one shift instead
> of two, and mgmt hinting of more furloughs later this year.
>
The US large personal truck/SUV market is going to contract by about 50%
from it's peak. That is what it will take to get back to the 20-25%
share of sales which represent the people who have a real need for
trucks and are not simply buying them because it is a fad to do so.
Fads come and go, and the every man, woman and child needs a Suburban
sized vehicle to sit in stop and go traffic with fad has run it's
course. Who is going to go to a party and brag about their new
Expedition today? Nobody. But, drive up in a tres chic Toyota Prius
and you have something to talk about.
The genius of Toyota is that they have strong contenders in every market
segment of consequence from the Prius on one end to the Land Cruiser on
the other. Why can the world's second largest auto maker field a more
competitive line-up world wide than do GM or Ford?
Hula hoops, beanie babies or Razer scooters anyone?
John
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Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
Ancient_Hacker wrote:
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>
>>Toyota and Honda sales are bolstered by the midget cars that are in vogue
>>today. GM and Ford do not offer midget cars. Seems to me that is
>>temporary. Midget car buyers are not generally the average US new vehicle
>>buyers that buys a new vehicle every three or four years. Fords hit was the
>>F150, but it is end of the model year. Major F150 buyers will soon be
>>buying 2007s, not leftovers.
>
>
>
> The main F150 assembly plant in St. Paul is just coming back form a
> many-week furlogh, with discussions of going to just one shift instead
> of two, and mgmt hinting of more furloughs later this year.
>
The US large personal truck/SUV market is going to contract by about 50%
from it's peak. That is what it will take to get back to the 20-25%
share of sales which represent the people who have a real need for
trucks and are not simply buying them because it is a fad to do so.
Fads come and go, and the every man, woman and child needs a Suburban
sized vehicle to sit in stop and go traffic with fad has run it's
course. Who is going to go to a party and brag about their new
Expedition today? Nobody. But, drive up in a tres chic Toyota Prius
and you have something to talk about.
The genius of Toyota is that they have strong contenders in every market
segment of consequence from the Prius on one end to the Land Cruiser on
the other. Why can the world's second largest auto maker field a more
competitive line-up world wide than do GM or Ford?
Hula hoops, beanie babies or Razer scooters anyone?
John
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>
>>Toyota and Honda sales are bolstered by the midget cars that are in vogue
>>today. GM and Ford do not offer midget cars. Seems to me that is
>>temporary. Midget car buyers are not generally the average US new vehicle
>>buyers that buys a new vehicle every three or four years. Fords hit was the
>>F150, but it is end of the model year. Major F150 buyers will soon be
>>buying 2007s, not leftovers.
>
>
>
> The main F150 assembly plant in St. Paul is just coming back form a
> many-week furlogh, with discussions of going to just one shift instead
> of two, and mgmt hinting of more furloughs later this year.
>
The US large personal truck/SUV market is going to contract by about 50%
from it's peak. That is what it will take to get back to the 20-25%
share of sales which represent the people who have a real need for
trucks and are not simply buying them because it is a fad to do so.
Fads come and go, and the every man, woman and child needs a Suburban
sized vehicle to sit in stop and go traffic with fad has run it's
course. Who is going to go to a party and brag about their new
Expedition today? Nobody. But, drive up in a tres chic Toyota Prius
and you have something to talk about.
The genius of Toyota is that they have strong contenders in every market
segment of consequence from the Prius on one end to the Land Cruiser on
the other. Why can the world's second largest auto maker field a more
competitive line-up world wide than do GM or Ford?
Hula hoops, beanie babies or Razer scooters anyone?
John
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Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
Ancient_Hacker wrote:
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>
>>Toyota and Honda sales are bolstered by the midget cars that are in vogue
>>today. GM and Ford do not offer midget cars. Seems to me that is
>>temporary. Midget car buyers are not generally the average US new vehicle
>>buyers that buys a new vehicle every three or four years. Fords hit was the
>>F150, but it is end of the model year. Major F150 buyers will soon be
>>buying 2007s, not leftovers.
>
>
>
> The main F150 assembly plant in St. Paul is just coming back form a
> many-week furlogh, with discussions of going to just one shift instead
> of two, and mgmt hinting of more furloughs later this year.
>
The US large personal truck/SUV market is going to contract by about 50%
from it's peak. That is what it will take to get back to the 20-25%
share of sales which represent the people who have a real need for
trucks and are not simply buying them because it is a fad to do so.
Fads come and go, and the every man, woman and child needs a Suburban
sized vehicle to sit in stop and go traffic with fad has run it's
course. Who is going to go to a party and brag about their new
Expedition today? Nobody. But, drive up in a tres chic Toyota Prius
and you have something to talk about.
The genius of Toyota is that they have strong contenders in every market
segment of consequence from the Prius on one end to the Land Cruiser on
the other. Why can the world's second largest auto maker field a more
competitive line-up world wide than do GM or Ford?
Hula hoops, beanie babies or Razer scooters anyone?
John
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>
>>Toyota and Honda sales are bolstered by the midget cars that are in vogue
>>today. GM and Ford do not offer midget cars. Seems to me that is
>>temporary. Midget car buyers are not generally the average US new vehicle
>>buyers that buys a new vehicle every three or four years. Fords hit was the
>>F150, but it is end of the model year. Major F150 buyers will soon be
>>buying 2007s, not leftovers.
>
>
>
> The main F150 assembly plant in St. Paul is just coming back form a
> many-week furlogh, with discussions of going to just one shift instead
> of two, and mgmt hinting of more furloughs later this year.
>
The US large personal truck/SUV market is going to contract by about 50%
from it's peak. That is what it will take to get back to the 20-25%
share of sales which represent the people who have a real need for
trucks and are not simply buying them because it is a fad to do so.
Fads come and go, and the every man, woman and child needs a Suburban
sized vehicle to sit in stop and go traffic with fad has run it's
course. Who is going to go to a party and brag about their new
Expedition today? Nobody. But, drive up in a tres chic Toyota Prius
and you have something to talk about.
The genius of Toyota is that they have strong contenders in every market
segment of consequence from the Prius on one end to the Land Cruiser on
the other. Why can the world's second largest auto maker field a more
competitive line-up world wide than do GM or Ford?
Hula hoops, beanie babies or Razer scooters anyone?
John
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Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
John Horner wrote:
>>
>
> The US large personal truck/SUV market is going to contract by about 50%
> from it's peak. That is what it will take to get back to the 20-25%
> share of sales which represent the people who have a real need for
> trucks and are not simply buying them because it is a fad to do so.
>
> Fads come and go, and the every man, woman and child needs a Suburban
> sized vehicle to sit in stop and go traffic with fad has run it's
> course. Who is going to go to a party and brag about their new
> Expedition today? Nobody. But, drive up in a tres chic Toyota Prius
> and you have something to talk about.
>
Yes, fads come and go but some actually are worthwhile. Remember how hot
the minivan was and how many times it took Honda and Toyota to finally
get it right. Ford and GM still can't. But in the end the minivan is a
practical vehicle and while not as popular as before they will still be
here when the other fad vehicles fade. Remember the "personal luxury
coupes" of the seventies. The only who left is the Monte Carlo (the
Grand Prix is sedan only now).
>>
>
> The US large personal truck/SUV market is going to contract by about 50%
> from it's peak. That is what it will take to get back to the 20-25%
> share of sales which represent the people who have a real need for
> trucks and are not simply buying them because it is a fad to do so.
>
> Fads come and go, and the every man, woman and child needs a Suburban
> sized vehicle to sit in stop and go traffic with fad has run it's
> course. Who is going to go to a party and brag about their new
> Expedition today? Nobody. But, drive up in a tres chic Toyota Prius
> and you have something to talk about.
>
Yes, fads come and go but some actually are worthwhile. Remember how hot
the minivan was and how many times it took Honda and Toyota to finally
get it right. Ford and GM still can't. But in the end the minivan is a
practical vehicle and while not as popular as before they will still be
here when the other fad vehicles fade. Remember the "personal luxury
coupes" of the seventies. The only who left is the Monte Carlo (the
Grand Prix is sedan only now).
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Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
John Horner wrote:
>>
>
> The US large personal truck/SUV market is going to contract by about 50%
> from it's peak. That is what it will take to get back to the 20-25%
> share of sales which represent the people who have a real need for
> trucks and are not simply buying them because it is a fad to do so.
>
> Fads come and go, and the every man, woman and child needs a Suburban
> sized vehicle to sit in stop and go traffic with fad has run it's
> course. Who is going to go to a party and brag about their new
> Expedition today? Nobody. But, drive up in a tres chic Toyota Prius
> and you have something to talk about.
>
Yes, fads come and go but some actually are worthwhile. Remember how hot
the minivan was and how many times it took Honda and Toyota to finally
get it right. Ford and GM still can't. But in the end the minivan is a
practical vehicle and while not as popular as before they will still be
here when the other fad vehicles fade. Remember the "personal luxury
coupes" of the seventies. The only who left is the Monte Carlo (the
Grand Prix is sedan only now).
>>
>
> The US large personal truck/SUV market is going to contract by about 50%
> from it's peak. That is what it will take to get back to the 20-25%
> share of sales which represent the people who have a real need for
> trucks and are not simply buying them because it is a fad to do so.
>
> Fads come and go, and the every man, woman and child needs a Suburban
> sized vehicle to sit in stop and go traffic with fad has run it's
> course. Who is going to go to a party and brag about their new
> Expedition today? Nobody. But, drive up in a tres chic Toyota Prius
> and you have something to talk about.
>
Yes, fads come and go but some actually are worthwhile. Remember how hot
the minivan was and how many times it took Honda and Toyota to finally
get it right. Ford and GM still can't. But in the end the minivan is a
practical vehicle and while not as popular as before they will still be
here when the other fad vehicles fade. Remember the "personal luxury
coupes" of the seventies. The only who left is the Monte Carlo (the
Grand Prix is sedan only now).
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Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
John Horner wrote:
>>
>
> The US large personal truck/SUV market is going to contract by about 50%
> from it's peak. That is what it will take to get back to the 20-25%
> share of sales which represent the people who have a real need for
> trucks and are not simply buying them because it is a fad to do so.
>
> Fads come and go, and the every man, woman and child needs a Suburban
> sized vehicle to sit in stop and go traffic with fad has run it's
> course. Who is going to go to a party and brag about their new
> Expedition today? Nobody. But, drive up in a tres chic Toyota Prius
> and you have something to talk about.
>
Yes, fads come and go but some actually are worthwhile. Remember how hot
the minivan was and how many times it took Honda and Toyota to finally
get it right. Ford and GM still can't. But in the end the minivan is a
practical vehicle and while not as popular as before they will still be
here when the other fad vehicles fade. Remember the "personal luxury
coupes" of the seventies. The only who left is the Monte Carlo (the
Grand Prix is sedan only now).
>>
>
> The US large personal truck/SUV market is going to contract by about 50%
> from it's peak. That is what it will take to get back to the 20-25%
> share of sales which represent the people who have a real need for
> trucks and are not simply buying them because it is a fad to do so.
>
> Fads come and go, and the every man, woman and child needs a Suburban
> sized vehicle to sit in stop and go traffic with fad has run it's
> course. Who is going to go to a party and brag about their new
> Expedition today? Nobody. But, drive up in a tres chic Toyota Prius
> and you have something to talk about.
>
Yes, fads come and go but some actually are worthwhile. Remember how hot
the minivan was and how many times it took Honda and Toyota to finally
get it right. Ford and GM still can't. But in the end the minivan is a
practical vehicle and while not as popular as before they will still be
here when the other fad vehicles fade. Remember the "personal luxury
coupes" of the seventies. The only who left is the Monte Carlo (the
Grand Prix is sedan only now).
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Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
Dave wrote:
>
> Yes, fads come and go but some actually are worthwhile. Remember how hot
> the minivan was and how many times it took Honda and Toyota to finally
> get it right. Ford and GM still can't. But in the end the minivan is a
> practical vehicle and while not as popular as before they will still be
> here when the other fad vehicles fade. Remember the "personal luxury
> coupes" of the seventies. The only who left is the Monte Carlo (the
> Grand Prix is sedan only now).
The minivan will be around for a long time, but it's peak volume days
are over (at least for the full size type).
Pickup trucks are usefull as well and will be around for a long time
just as they have been ever since Model T versions were once made, but
the days when people would buy them for long commutes to office jobs are
probably over as well.
I'm not saying that the large truck / SUV market is going to disappear.
I am saying that it is set to contract by about 50%.
John
>
> Yes, fads come and go but some actually are worthwhile. Remember how hot
> the minivan was and how many times it took Honda and Toyota to finally
> get it right. Ford and GM still can't. But in the end the minivan is a
> practical vehicle and while not as popular as before they will still be
> here when the other fad vehicles fade. Remember the "personal luxury
> coupes" of the seventies. The only who left is the Monte Carlo (the
> Grand Prix is sedan only now).
The minivan will be around for a long time, but it's peak volume days
are over (at least for the full size type).
Pickup trucks are usefull as well and will be around for a long time
just as they have been ever since Model T versions were once made, but
the days when people would buy them for long commutes to office jobs are
probably over as well.
I'm not saying that the large truck / SUV market is going to disappear.
I am saying that it is set to contract by about 50%.
John
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Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
Dave wrote:
>
> Yes, fads come and go but some actually are worthwhile. Remember how hot
> the minivan was and how many times it took Honda and Toyota to finally
> get it right. Ford and GM still can't. But in the end the minivan is a
> practical vehicle and while not as popular as before they will still be
> here when the other fad vehicles fade. Remember the "personal luxury
> coupes" of the seventies. The only who left is the Monte Carlo (the
> Grand Prix is sedan only now).
The minivan will be around for a long time, but it's peak volume days
are over (at least for the full size type).
Pickup trucks are usefull as well and will be around for a long time
just as they have been ever since Model T versions were once made, but
the days when people would buy them for long commutes to office jobs are
probably over as well.
I'm not saying that the large truck / SUV market is going to disappear.
I am saying that it is set to contract by about 50%.
John
>
> Yes, fads come and go but some actually are worthwhile. Remember how hot
> the minivan was and how many times it took Honda and Toyota to finally
> get it right. Ford and GM still can't. But in the end the minivan is a
> practical vehicle and while not as popular as before they will still be
> here when the other fad vehicles fade. Remember the "personal luxury
> coupes" of the seventies. The only who left is the Monte Carlo (the
> Grand Prix is sedan only now).
The minivan will be around for a long time, but it's peak volume days
are over (at least for the full size type).
Pickup trucks are usefull as well and will be around for a long time
just as they have been ever since Model T versions were once made, but
the days when people would buy them for long commutes to office jobs are
probably over as well.
I'm not saying that the large truck / SUV market is going to disappear.
I am saying that it is set to contract by about 50%.
John
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Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
Dave wrote:
>
> Yes, fads come and go but some actually are worthwhile. Remember how hot
> the minivan was and how many times it took Honda and Toyota to finally
> get it right. Ford and GM still can't. But in the end the minivan is a
> practical vehicle and while not as popular as before they will still be
> here when the other fad vehicles fade. Remember the "personal luxury
> coupes" of the seventies. The only who left is the Monte Carlo (the
> Grand Prix is sedan only now).
The minivan will be around for a long time, but it's peak volume days
are over (at least for the full size type).
Pickup trucks are usefull as well and will be around for a long time
just as they have been ever since Model T versions were once made, but
the days when people would buy them for long commutes to office jobs are
probably over as well.
I'm not saying that the large truck / SUV market is going to disappear.
I am saying that it is set to contract by about 50%.
John
>
> Yes, fads come and go but some actually are worthwhile. Remember how hot
> the minivan was and how many times it took Honda and Toyota to finally
> get it right. Ford and GM still can't. But in the end the minivan is a
> practical vehicle and while not as popular as before they will still be
> here when the other fad vehicles fade. Remember the "personal luxury
> coupes" of the seventies. The only who left is the Monte Carlo (the
> Grand Prix is sedan only now).
The minivan will be around for a long time, but it's peak volume days
are over (at least for the full size type).
Pickup trucks are usefull as well and will be around for a long time
just as they have been ever since Model T versions were once made, but
the days when people would buy them for long commutes to office jobs are
probably over as well.
I'm not saying that the large truck / SUV market is going to disappear.
I am saying that it is set to contract by about 50%.
John
