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HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
I've been ready to make my changes to my cig. lighter from ignition to "always on", and I discovered something semi disturbing before I made the changes. Between the positive and negative terminals of the cigarette lighter (pos is center, and ground/neg is shell) I'm expecting 0 resistance. Without that thing depressed there should be no closed circuit at all, right???? I'm getting ~8 / ~9 Ohms between the two. (power is not supplied by the battery at this point, so I'm not getting any "stray" readings). HELP, is this a fire in the making????? -- "I don't want FOP, God dammit! I'm a DAPPER DAN MAN!" |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Thomas G. Marshall coughed up:
> I've been ready to make my changes to my cig. lighter from ignition to > "always on", and I discovered something semi disturbing before I made > the changes. > > Between the positive and negative terminals of the cigarette lighter > (pos is center, and ground/neg is shell) I'm expecting 0 resistance. > Without that thing depressed there should be no closed circuit at > all, right???? > > I'm getting ~8 / ~9 Ohms between the two. (power is not supplied by > the battery at this point, so I'm not getting any "stray" readings). > > HELP, is this a fire in the making????? Furthermore, the fuse is pulled when I checked this. -- "I don't want FOP, God dammit! I'm a DAPPER DAN MAN!" |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Thomas G. Marshall coughed up:
> I've been ready to make my changes to my cig. lighter from ignition to > "always on", and I discovered something semi disturbing before I made > the changes. > > Between the positive and negative terminals of the cigarette lighter > (pos is center, and ground/neg is shell) I'm expecting 0 resistance. > Without that thing depressed there should be no closed circuit at > all, right???? > > I'm getting ~8 / ~9 Ohms between the two. (power is not supplied by > the battery at this point, so I'm not getting any "stray" readings). > > HELP, is this a fire in the making????? Furthermore, the fuse is pulled when I checked this. -- "I don't want FOP, God dammit! I'm a DAPPER DAN MAN!" |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Thomas G. Marshall coughed up:
> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >> I've been ready to make my changes to my cig. lighter from ignition >> to "always on", and I discovered something semi disturbing before I >> made the changes. >> >> Between the positive and negative terminals of the cigarette lighter >> (pos is center, and ground/neg is shell) I'm expecting 0 resistance. In my haste, I goofed that up of course. I'm expecting infinite resistance, and instead and receiving 8. (?), which indicates /some/ sort of connection between the two. >> Without that thing depressed there should be no closed circuit at >> all, right???? >> >> I'm getting ~8 / ~9 Ohms between the two. (power is not supplied by >> the battery at this point, so I'm not getting any "stray" readings). >> >> HELP, is this a fire in the making????? > > Furthermore, the fuse is pulled when I checked this. -- http://www.allexperts.com is a nifty way to get an answer to just about /anything/. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Thomas G. Marshall coughed up:
> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >> I've been ready to make my changes to my cig. lighter from ignition >> to "always on", and I discovered something semi disturbing before I >> made the changes. >> >> Between the positive and negative terminals of the cigarette lighter >> (pos is center, and ground/neg is shell) I'm expecting 0 resistance. In my haste, I goofed that up of course. I'm expecting infinite resistance, and instead and receiving 8. (?), which indicates /some/ sort of connection between the two. >> Without that thing depressed there should be no closed circuit at >> all, right???? >> >> I'm getting ~8 / ~9 Ohms between the two. (power is not supplied by >> the battery at this point, so I'm not getting any "stray" readings). >> >> HELP, is this a fire in the making????? > > Furthermore, the fuse is pulled when I checked this. -- http://www.allexperts.com is a nifty way to get an answer to just about /anything/. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
wrote in message news:g4Aed.677$PZ4.660@trndny07... > Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >>> I've been ready to make my changes to my cig. lighter from ignition >>> to "always on", and I discovered something semi disturbing before I >>> made the changes. >>> >>> Between the positive and negative terminals of the cigarette lighter >>> (pos is center, and ground/neg is shell) I'm expecting 0 resistance. > > > In my haste, I goofed that up of course. I'm expecting infinite > resistance, > and instead and receiving 8. (?), which indicates /some/ sort of > connection > between the two. What reading do you get with the ignition in the on/run position? Some circuits rather than going open when off, go to ground when off. Very important distinction to know to look for when in the business of installing alarms and such. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
wrote in message news:g4Aed.677$PZ4.660@trndny07... > Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >>> I've been ready to make my changes to my cig. lighter from ignition >>> to "always on", and I discovered something semi disturbing before I >>> made the changes. >>> >>> Between the positive and negative terminals of the cigarette lighter >>> (pos is center, and ground/neg is shell) I'm expecting 0 resistance. > > > In my haste, I goofed that up of course. I'm expecting infinite > resistance, > and instead and receiving 8. (?), which indicates /some/ sort of > connection > between the two. What reading do you get with the ignition in the on/run position? Some circuits rather than going open when off, go to ground when off. Very important distinction to know to look for when in the business of installing alarms and such. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Seth coughed up:
> "Thomas G. Marshall" > <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote in > message news:g4Aed.677$PZ4.660@trndny07... >> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >>> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >>>> I've been ready to make my changes to my cig. lighter from ignition >>>> to "always on", and I discovered something semi disturbing before I >>>> made the changes. >>>> >>>> Between the positive and negative terminals of the cigarette >>>> lighter (pos is center, and ground/neg is shell) I'm expecting 0 >>>> resistance. >> >> >> In my haste, I goofed that up of course. I'm expecting infinite >> resistance, >> and instead and receiving 8. (?), which indicates /some/ sort of >> connection >> between the two. > > What reading do you get with the ignition in the on/run position? > > Some circuits rather than going open when off, go to ground when off. > Very important distinction to know to look for when in the business > of installing alarms and such. Well, ...... The fuse is /pulled/. A friend of mine said that cars "in the old days but perhaps still" used to put capacitors in between the pos and neg of various places in the car to act as voltage regulators, to smooth out the spikes and valleys. He's saying that might be supplying the resistance. He also said something I already knew, that 8 Ohms is suspicious, because it's the resistance of most speakers. Any clue here? -- Everythinginlifeisrealative.Apingpongballseemssmal luntilsomeoneramsitupyourn ose. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Seth coughed up:
> "Thomas G. Marshall" > <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote in > message news:g4Aed.677$PZ4.660@trndny07... >> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >>> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >>>> I've been ready to make my changes to my cig. lighter from ignition >>>> to "always on", and I discovered something semi disturbing before I >>>> made the changes. >>>> >>>> Between the positive and negative terminals of the cigarette >>>> lighter (pos is center, and ground/neg is shell) I'm expecting 0 >>>> resistance. >> >> >> In my haste, I goofed that up of course. I'm expecting infinite >> resistance, >> and instead and receiving 8. (?), which indicates /some/ sort of >> connection >> between the two. > > What reading do you get with the ignition in the on/run position? > > Some circuits rather than going open when off, go to ground when off. > Very important distinction to know to look for when in the business > of installing alarms and such. Well, ...... The fuse is /pulled/. A friend of mine said that cars "in the old days but perhaps still" used to put capacitors in between the pos and neg of various places in the car to act as voltage regulators, to smooth out the spikes and valleys. He's saying that might be supplying the resistance. He also said something I already knew, that 8 Ohms is suspicious, because it's the resistance of most speakers. Any clue here? -- Everythinginlifeisrealative.Apingpongballseemssmal luntilsomeoneramsitupyourn ose. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
wrote in message news:kiAed.679$PZ4.148@trndny07... > Seth coughed up: >> "Thomas G. Marshall" >> <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote in >> message news:g4Aed.677$PZ4.660@trndny07... >>> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >>>> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >>>>> I've been ready to make my changes to my cig. lighter from ignition >>>>> to "always on", and I discovered something semi disturbing before I >>>>> made the changes. >>>>> >>>>> Between the positive and negative terminals of the cigarette >>>>> lighter (pos is center, and ground/neg is shell) I'm expecting 0 >>>>> resistance. >>> >>> >>> In my haste, I goofed that up of course. I'm expecting infinite >>> resistance, >>> and instead and receiving 8. (?), which indicates /some/ sort of >>> connection >>> between the two. >> >> What reading do you get with the ignition in the on/run position? >> >> Some circuits rather than going open when off, go to ground when off. >> Very important distinction to know to look for when in the business >> of installing alarms and such. > > Well, ...... The fuse is /pulled/. Yes, I understand the fuse is pulled, but what I don't know is if the fuse is before or after the control relay. The fuse could be before the control relay, and if the control relay goes to ground when off, you would still get a "shorted" reading with the fuse in or out. > A friend of mine said that cars "in the old days but perhaps still" used > to > put capacitors in between the pos and neg of various places in the car to > act as voltage regulators, to smooth out the spikes and valleys. I think that went away a while ago as everything went to more modern electronics which have that built in per device. > He's saying that might be supplying the resistance. He also said > something > I already knew, that 8 Ohms is suspicious, because it's the resistance of > most speakers. Possibly just an RF reading. What do you get if you do your same test, but instead of using the casing of the cig lighter as ground, get your ground elsewhere? Maybe read your pos at the cig lighter, and ground at the fuse panel or battery (provided your leads are long enough). Also, maybe be an obvious question, you are "zeroing out" your ohm meter before taking readings? > Any clue here? Really, all I would do in a case like what you are trying to achieve is take a 12ga wire, put a 15amp fuse on it (within 6" of source end), a female spade plug and plug it into one of the BATT connectors at the fuse panel and run the other end to the pos connector of the cig lighter, capping off the current pos wire at the cig lighter. Wire tie the new wire out of the way under the dash and be done with. When it is time to restore the car to stock, just cut the wire ties, remove the wire and plug the original plug back into the back of the cig lighter. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
wrote in message news:kiAed.679$PZ4.148@trndny07... > Seth coughed up: >> "Thomas G. Marshall" >> <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote in >> message news:g4Aed.677$PZ4.660@trndny07... >>> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >>>> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >>>>> I've been ready to make my changes to my cig. lighter from ignition >>>>> to "always on", and I discovered something semi disturbing before I >>>>> made the changes. >>>>> >>>>> Between the positive and negative terminals of the cigarette >>>>> lighter (pos is center, and ground/neg is shell) I'm expecting 0 >>>>> resistance. >>> >>> >>> In my haste, I goofed that up of course. I'm expecting infinite >>> resistance, >>> and instead and receiving 8. (?), which indicates /some/ sort of >>> connection >>> between the two. >> >> What reading do you get with the ignition in the on/run position? >> >> Some circuits rather than going open when off, go to ground when off. >> Very important distinction to know to look for when in the business >> of installing alarms and such. > > Well, ...... The fuse is /pulled/. Yes, I understand the fuse is pulled, but what I don't know is if the fuse is before or after the control relay. The fuse could be before the control relay, and if the control relay goes to ground when off, you would still get a "shorted" reading with the fuse in or out. > A friend of mine said that cars "in the old days but perhaps still" used > to > put capacitors in between the pos and neg of various places in the car to > act as voltage regulators, to smooth out the spikes and valleys. I think that went away a while ago as everything went to more modern electronics which have that built in per device. > He's saying that might be supplying the resistance. He also said > something > I already knew, that 8 Ohms is suspicious, because it's the resistance of > most speakers. Possibly just an RF reading. What do you get if you do your same test, but instead of using the casing of the cig lighter as ground, get your ground elsewhere? Maybe read your pos at the cig lighter, and ground at the fuse panel or battery (provided your leads are long enough). Also, maybe be an obvious question, you are "zeroing out" your ohm meter before taking readings? > Any clue here? Really, all I would do in a case like what you are trying to achieve is take a 12ga wire, put a 15amp fuse on it (within 6" of source end), a female spade plug and plug it into one of the BATT connectors at the fuse panel and run the other end to the pos connector of the cig lighter, capping off the current pos wire at the cig lighter. Wire tie the new wire out of the way under the dash and be done with. When it is time to restore the car to stock, just cut the wire ties, remove the wire and plug the original plug back into the back of the cig lighter. |
relay coil or battery internal resistance.
hello, i dont really understand perfectly what you measuring but it sounds
like you are measuring the resistance of two wires that will be 12pos when the ignition is turned on. my first guess is that they have some kind of resistor in series with the cigerette lighter to reduce the current, perhaps the lighter by its self draws too much current. also, maybe some how you are measuring the internal resistance of the battery. are you measuring this resistance on a live set of wires? im guessing they have some kind of resistor in the circuit to reduce current to the lighter. |
relay coil or battery internal resistance.
hello, i dont really understand perfectly what you measuring but it sounds
like you are measuring the resistance of two wires that will be 12pos when the ignition is turned on. my first guess is that they have some kind of resistor in series with the cigerette lighter to reduce the current, perhaps the lighter by its self draws too much current. also, maybe some how you are measuring the internal resistance of the battery. are you measuring this resistance on a live set of wires? im guessing they have some kind of resistor in the circuit to reduce current to the lighter. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Seth coughed up:
> "Thomas G. Marshall" > <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote in > message news:kiAed.679$PZ4.148@trndny07... >> Seth coughed up: >>> "Thomas G. Marshall" >>> <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote in >>> message news:g4Aed.677$PZ4.660@trndny07... >>>> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >>>>> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >>>>>> I've been ready to make my changes to my cig. lighter from >>>>>> ignition to "always on", and I discovered something semi >>>>>> disturbing before I made the changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Between the positive and negative terminals of the cigarette >>>>>> lighter (pos is center, and ground/neg is shell) I'm expecting 0 >>>>>> resistance. >>>> >>>> >>>> In my haste, I goofed that up of course. I'm expecting infinite >>>> resistance, >>>> and instead and receiving 8. (?), which indicates /some/ sort of >>>> connection >>>> between the two. >>> >>> What reading do you get with the ignition in the on/run position? >>> >>> Some circuits rather than going open when off, go to ground when >>> off. Very important distinction to know to look for when in the >>> business of installing alarms and such. >> >> Well, ...... The fuse is /pulled/. > > Yes, I understand the fuse is pulled, but what I don't know is if the > fuse is before or after the control relay. The fuse could be before > the control relay, and if the control relay goes to ground when off, > you would still get a "shorted" reading with the fuse in or out. > >> A friend of mine said that cars "in the old days but perhaps still" >> used to >> put capacitors in between the pos and neg of various places in the >> car to act as voltage regulators, to smooth out the spikes and >> valleys. > > I think that went away a while ago as everything went to more modern > electronics which have that built in per device. > >> He's saying that might be supplying the resistance. He also said >> something >> I already knew, that 8 Ohms is suspicious, because it's the >> resistance of most speakers. > > Possibly just an RF reading. What do you get if you do your same > test, but instead of using the casing of the cig lighter as ground, > get your ground elsewhere? Maybe read your pos at the cig lighter, > and ground at the fuse panel or battery (provided your leads are long > enough). > > Also, maybe be an obvious question, you are "zeroing out" your ohm > meter before taking readings? > >> Any clue here? > > Really, all I would do in a case like what you are trying to achieve > is take a 12ga wire, put a 15amp fuse on it (within 6" of source > end), a female spade plug and plug it into one of the BATT connectors > at the fuse panel and run the other end to the pos connector of the > cig lighter, capping off the current pos wire at the cig lighter. > Wire tie the new wire out of the way under the dash and be done with. > > When it is time to restore the car to stock, just cut the wire ties, > remove the wire and plug the original plug back into the back of the > cig lighter. Well thanks for your considerate replies. I will try some of your suggestions, but I proceeded with my installation anyway. Hopefully my car won't burn to the ground overnight. At least my garage is a detached one..... What I've done for my changes are to remove the 10A fuse from the cig. slot, connect the always on options blade with a wire with an inline fuse (the same 10A) to a mini-blade (I concocted from a real blade) that I inserted directly into the cig fuse slot at the side that goes directly to the cig lighter. The idea being that I'm reusing the same wiring as before, just powering it differently at the fuse box. Interesting, perhaps this sheds some light, and TELL ME IF IT MEANS I SHOULD UNDO THIS, but a relay clicks on the moment I connected the always on. New questions: 1. Could the presence of this relay be part of the reason there was a measurable 8 ohms? 2. Is it ok for a car relay to be "on" all the time? You have been exceedingly helpful. I'll let you know if this works long term, or if disaster occurs {shudder}, or if the battery dies. -- Forgetthesong,I'dratherhavethefrontallobotomy... |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Seth coughed up:
> "Thomas G. Marshall" > <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote in > message news:kiAed.679$PZ4.148@trndny07... >> Seth coughed up: >>> "Thomas G. Marshall" >>> <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote in >>> message news:g4Aed.677$PZ4.660@trndny07... >>>> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >>>>> Thomas G. Marshall coughed up: >>>>>> I've been ready to make my changes to my cig. lighter from >>>>>> ignition to "always on", and I discovered something semi >>>>>> disturbing before I made the changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Between the positive and negative terminals of the cigarette >>>>>> lighter (pos is center, and ground/neg is shell) I'm expecting 0 >>>>>> resistance. >>>> >>>> >>>> In my haste, I goofed that up of course. I'm expecting infinite >>>> resistance, >>>> and instead and receiving 8. (?), which indicates /some/ sort of >>>> connection >>>> between the two. >>> >>> What reading do you get with the ignition in the on/run position? >>> >>> Some circuits rather than going open when off, go to ground when >>> off. Very important distinction to know to look for when in the >>> business of installing alarms and such. >> >> Well, ...... The fuse is /pulled/. > > Yes, I understand the fuse is pulled, but what I don't know is if the > fuse is before or after the control relay. The fuse could be before > the control relay, and if the control relay goes to ground when off, > you would still get a "shorted" reading with the fuse in or out. > >> A friend of mine said that cars "in the old days but perhaps still" >> used to >> put capacitors in between the pos and neg of various places in the >> car to act as voltage regulators, to smooth out the spikes and >> valleys. > > I think that went away a while ago as everything went to more modern > electronics which have that built in per device. > >> He's saying that might be supplying the resistance. He also said >> something >> I already knew, that 8 Ohms is suspicious, because it's the >> resistance of most speakers. > > Possibly just an RF reading. What do you get if you do your same > test, but instead of using the casing of the cig lighter as ground, > get your ground elsewhere? Maybe read your pos at the cig lighter, > and ground at the fuse panel or battery (provided your leads are long > enough). > > Also, maybe be an obvious question, you are "zeroing out" your ohm > meter before taking readings? > >> Any clue here? > > Really, all I would do in a case like what you are trying to achieve > is take a 12ga wire, put a 15amp fuse on it (within 6" of source > end), a female spade plug and plug it into one of the BATT connectors > at the fuse panel and run the other end to the pos connector of the > cig lighter, capping off the current pos wire at the cig lighter. > Wire tie the new wire out of the way under the dash and be done with. > > When it is time to restore the car to stock, just cut the wire ties, > remove the wire and plug the original plug back into the back of the > cig lighter. Well thanks for your considerate replies. I will try some of your suggestions, but I proceeded with my installation anyway. Hopefully my car won't burn to the ground overnight. At least my garage is a detached one..... What I've done for my changes are to remove the 10A fuse from the cig. slot, connect the always on options blade with a wire with an inline fuse (the same 10A) to a mini-blade (I concocted from a real blade) that I inserted directly into the cig fuse slot at the side that goes directly to the cig lighter. The idea being that I'm reusing the same wiring as before, just powering it differently at the fuse box. Interesting, perhaps this sheds some light, and TELL ME IF IT MEANS I SHOULD UNDO THIS, but a relay clicks on the moment I connected the always on. New questions: 1. Could the presence of this relay be part of the reason there was a measurable 8 ohms? 2. Is it ok for a car relay to be "on" all the time? You have been exceedingly helpful. I'll let you know if this works long term, or if disaster occurs {shudder}, or if the battery dies. -- Forgetthesong,I'dratherhavethefrontallobotomy... |
Re: relay coil or battery internal resistance.
lamont1 coughed up:
> hello, i dont really understand perfectly what you measuring but it > sounds like you are measuring the resistance of two wires that will > be 12pos when the ignition is turned on. my first guess is that they > have some kind of resistor in series with the cigerette lighter to > reduce the current, perhaps the lighter by its self draws too much > current. also, maybe some how you are measuring the internal > resistance of the battery. are you measuring this resistance on a > live set of wires? > im guessing they have some kind of resistor in the circuit to reduce > current to the lighter. The hot lead to the cig is connected to an empty fuse location (open circuit). The ground lead to the cig is connected to the car ground. I'm not sure what the heck is in-between the two that would somehow connect them together, even "a little bit", other than something wired in /parallel/ somewhere. -- Forgetthesong,I'dratherhavethefrontallobotomy... |
Re: relay coil or battery internal resistance.
lamont1 coughed up:
> hello, i dont really understand perfectly what you measuring but it > sounds like you are measuring the resistance of two wires that will > be 12pos when the ignition is turned on. my first guess is that they > have some kind of resistor in series with the cigerette lighter to > reduce the current, perhaps the lighter by its self draws too much > current. also, maybe some how you are measuring the internal > resistance of the battery. are you measuring this resistance on a > live set of wires? > im guessing they have some kind of resistor in the circuit to reduce > current to the lighter. The hot lead to the cig is connected to an empty fuse location (open circuit). The ground lead to the cig is connected to the car ground. I'm not sure what the heck is in-between the two that would somehow connect them together, even "a little bit", other than something wired in /parallel/ somewhere. -- Forgetthesong,I'dratherhavethefrontallobotomy... |
Re: relay coil or battery internal resistance.
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote in message
news:UkCed.597$803.29@trndny04... > lamont1 coughed up: > > hello, i dont really understand perfectly what you measuring but it > > sounds like you are measuring the resistance of two wires that will > > be 12pos when the ignition is turned on. my first guess is that they > > have some kind of resistor in series with the cigerette lighter to > > reduce the current, perhaps the lighter by its self draws too much > > current. also, maybe some how you are measuring the internal > > resistance of the battery. are you measuring this resistance on a > > live set of wires? > > im guessing they have some kind of resistor in the circuit to reduce > > current to the lighter. > The hot lead to the cig is connected to an empty fuse location (open > circuit). The ground lead to the cig is connected to the car ground. > I'm not sure what the heck is in-between the two that would somehow connect > them together, even "a little bit", other than something wired in /parallel/ > somewhere. The 8-Ohm sounds like a relay. Your CRV's cigarette lighter is most likely powering an accessory relay of some sort. To find out, disconnect the cigarette lighter power at the fuse panel. Then try to operate the suspected accessory. I've read a few post back regarding an individual who had tried your method but end up with a drained battery a few weeks later... Locate the relay and rewire it, or let it defy how you intended to wire it. |
Re: relay coil or battery internal resistance.
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote in message
news:UkCed.597$803.29@trndny04... > lamont1 coughed up: > > hello, i dont really understand perfectly what you measuring but it > > sounds like you are measuring the resistance of two wires that will > > be 12pos when the ignition is turned on. my first guess is that they > > have some kind of resistor in series with the cigerette lighter to > > reduce the current, perhaps the lighter by its self draws too much > > current. also, maybe some how you are measuring the internal > > resistance of the battery. are you measuring this resistance on a > > live set of wires? > > im guessing they have some kind of resistor in the circuit to reduce > > current to the lighter. > The hot lead to the cig is connected to an empty fuse location (open > circuit). The ground lead to the cig is connected to the car ground. > I'm not sure what the heck is in-between the two that would somehow connect > them together, even "a little bit", other than something wired in /parallel/ > somewhere. The 8-Ohm sounds like a relay. Your CRV's cigarette lighter is most likely powering an accessory relay of some sort. To find out, disconnect the cigarette lighter power at the fuse panel. Then try to operate the suspected accessory. I've read a few post back regarding an individual who had tried your method but end up with a drained battery a few weeks later... Locate the relay and rewire it, or let it defy how you intended to wire it. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
"Thomas G. Marshall" wrote: > Well, ...... The fuse is /pulled/. > > A friend of mine said that cars "in the old days but perhaps still" used to > put capacitors in between the pos and neg of various places in the car to > act as voltage regulators, to smooth out the spikes and valleys. If you measure the *resistance* of a capacitor, you will initially get a low reading that gradually increases to at least hundreds of kiloohms. How quickly the reading changes depends on your instrument and the capacitance, but you will not get a steady state reading of 8 ohms. > He's saying that might be supplying the resistance. He also said something > I already knew, that 8 Ohms is suspicious, because it's the resistance of > most speakers. 8 ohms is the *impedance* of most speakers for home use. Most car stereo speakers have an impedance rating of 4 ohms. Regardless, the DC resistance (which is what you are measuring with your ohm-meter) is often less than the rated impedance. Do you know what else is on the lighter circuit? Lightbulbs give deceptive resistance measurements. A type 67 bulb is rated 0.69 Amps at 13.5 Volts, which means the resistance is 19.5 Ohms or so *when the bulb is lit*. If you measure the resistance of a cold, dark 67 bulb you will read less than 2 ohms. Perhaps there is a light around the lighter socket that throws off your reading? |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
"Thomas G. Marshall" wrote: > Well, ...... The fuse is /pulled/. > > A friend of mine said that cars "in the old days but perhaps still" used to > put capacitors in between the pos and neg of various places in the car to > act as voltage regulators, to smooth out the spikes and valleys. If you measure the *resistance* of a capacitor, you will initially get a low reading that gradually increases to at least hundreds of kiloohms. How quickly the reading changes depends on your instrument and the capacitance, but you will not get a steady state reading of 8 ohms. > He's saying that might be supplying the resistance. He also said something > I already knew, that 8 Ohms is suspicious, because it's the resistance of > most speakers. 8 ohms is the *impedance* of most speakers for home use. Most car stereo speakers have an impedance rating of 4 ohms. Regardless, the DC resistance (which is what you are measuring with your ohm-meter) is often less than the rated impedance. Do you know what else is on the lighter circuit? Lightbulbs give deceptive resistance measurements. A type 67 bulb is rated 0.69 Amps at 13.5 Volts, which means the resistance is 19.5 Ohms or so *when the bulb is lit*. If you measure the resistance of a cold, dark 67 bulb you will read less than 2 ohms. Perhaps there is a light around the lighter socket that throws off your reading? |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
wrote in message news:%hCed.1549$eU2.227@trndny05... > > What I've done for my changes are to remove the 10A fuse from the cig. > slot, > connect the always on options blade with a wire with an inline fuse (the > same 10A) to a mini-blade (I concocted from a real blade) that I inserted > directly into the cig fuse slot at the side that goes directly to the cig > lighter. > > The idea being that I'm reusing the same wiring as before, just powering > it > differently at the fuse box. > > Interesting, perhaps this sheds some light, and TELL ME IF IT MEANS I > SHOULD > UNDO THIS, but a relay clicks on the moment I connected the always on. > New > questions: Well, that could answer the question of where the control relay is. Sounds like it is between the fuse and the load. I wouldn't leave it as such. Why explained below. > 1. Could the presence of this relay be part of the reason there was a > measurable 8 ohms? Could be. Also, as "Randolph" mentioned, you don't know what else is on the same circuit (like a bulb somewhere) that is giving the connection (at 8 ohms) > 2. Is it ok for a car relay to be "on" all the time? There is a remote chance you could burn out the coil (in the relay) as it wasn't meant to be on 24x7. But the real concern is what else are you powering 24x7 on that same circuit that could lead to a dead battery in a short time (like if you didn't drive the car for a few days). For example, due to the click you heard the second you "hot wired" the circuit, you are powering the cig lighter AND the control relay. > You have been exceedingly helpful. I'll let you know if this works long > term, or if disaster occurs {shudder}, or if the battery dies. I would undo what you did and go with my wiring scheme. Here you know you are only powering the cig lighter 24x7 and nothing else. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
wrote in message news:%hCed.1549$eU2.227@trndny05... > > What I've done for my changes are to remove the 10A fuse from the cig. > slot, > connect the always on options blade with a wire with an inline fuse (the > same 10A) to a mini-blade (I concocted from a real blade) that I inserted > directly into the cig fuse slot at the side that goes directly to the cig > lighter. > > The idea being that I'm reusing the same wiring as before, just powering > it > differently at the fuse box. > > Interesting, perhaps this sheds some light, and TELL ME IF IT MEANS I > SHOULD > UNDO THIS, but a relay clicks on the moment I connected the always on. > New > questions: Well, that could answer the question of where the control relay is. Sounds like it is between the fuse and the load. I wouldn't leave it as such. Why explained below. > 1. Could the presence of this relay be part of the reason there was a > measurable 8 ohms? Could be. Also, as "Randolph" mentioned, you don't know what else is on the same circuit (like a bulb somewhere) that is giving the connection (at 8 ohms) > 2. Is it ok for a car relay to be "on" all the time? There is a remote chance you could burn out the coil (in the relay) as it wasn't meant to be on 24x7. But the real concern is what else are you powering 24x7 on that same circuit that could lead to a dead battery in a short time (like if you didn't drive the car for a few days). For example, due to the click you heard the second you "hot wired" the circuit, you are powering the cig lighter AND the control relay. > You have been exceedingly helpful. I'll let you know if this works long > term, or if disaster occurs {shudder}, or if the battery dies. I would undo what you did and go with my wiring scheme. Here you know you are only powering the cig lighter 24x7 and nothing else. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
"Thomas G. Marshall" wrote: <snip> > What I've done for my changes are to remove the 10A fuse from the cig. slot, > connect the always on options blade with a wire with an inline fuse (the > same 10A) to a mini-blade (I concocted from a real blade) that I inserted > directly into the cig fuse slot at the side that goes directly to the cig > lighter. > > The idea being that I'm reusing the same wiring as before, just powering it > differently at the fuse box. > > Interesting, perhaps this sheds some light, and TELL ME IF IT MEANS I SHOULD > UNDO THIS, but a relay clicks on the moment I connected the always on. New > questions: > > 1. Could the presence of this relay be part of the reason there was a > measurable 8 ohms? > 2. Is it ok for a car relay to be "on" all the time? The lighter is not the only thing on that circuit. You are now constantly applying power to other loads in the car. Yes, the relay would throw off your resistance measurement, but there is probably more stuff on that circuit. Another gentleman in your earlier thread about this said he did something similar to what you have done. He too heard the relay click. He found his battery drained some time after doing this modification. If 8 ohms is the real resistance of the circuit, you would be drawing something like 1.5 amps at all times. 2 days of this is enough to completely drain most car batteries. If you want the lighter socket to be powered at all times, there really is no way around pulling a new wire from the lighter socket to the fuse box. If the lighter socket has a built-in light, that light should be removed or disabled somehow to avoid excess battery drain. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
"Thomas G. Marshall" wrote: <snip> > What I've done for my changes are to remove the 10A fuse from the cig. slot, > connect the always on options blade with a wire with an inline fuse (the > same 10A) to a mini-blade (I concocted from a real blade) that I inserted > directly into the cig fuse slot at the side that goes directly to the cig > lighter. > > The idea being that I'm reusing the same wiring as before, just powering it > differently at the fuse box. > > Interesting, perhaps this sheds some light, and TELL ME IF IT MEANS I SHOULD > UNDO THIS, but a relay clicks on the moment I connected the always on. New > questions: > > 1. Could the presence of this relay be part of the reason there was a > measurable 8 ohms? > 2. Is it ok for a car relay to be "on" all the time? The lighter is not the only thing on that circuit. You are now constantly applying power to other loads in the car. Yes, the relay would throw off your resistance measurement, but there is probably more stuff on that circuit. Another gentleman in your earlier thread about this said he did something similar to what you have done. He too heard the relay click. He found his battery drained some time after doing this modification. If 8 ohms is the real resistance of the circuit, you would be drawing something like 1.5 amps at all times. 2 days of this is enough to completely drain most car batteries. If you want the lighter socket to be powered at all times, there really is no way around pulling a new wire from the lighter socket to the fuse box. If the lighter socket has a built-in light, that light should be removed or disabled somehow to avoid excess battery drain. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
[...] > > Well thanks for your considerate replies. I will try some of your > suggestions, but I proceeded with my installation anyway. Hopefully > my car won't burn to the ground overnight. At least my garage is a > detached one..... > > What I've done for my changes are to remove the 10A fuse from the > cig. slot, connect the always on options blade with a wire with an > inline fuse (the same 10A) to a mini-blade (I concocted from a real > blade) that I inserted directly into the cig fuse slot at the side > that goes directly to the cig lighter. > > The idea being that I'm reusing the same wiring as before, just > powering it differently at the fuse box. > > Interesting, perhaps this sheds some light, and TELL ME IF IT MEANS I > SHOULD UNDO THIS, but a relay clicks on the moment I connected the > always on. New questions: > > 1. Could the presence of this relay be part of the reason there > was a measurable 8 ohms? The coil resistance of 12Vdc relays is twixt 50 and 150 Ohms. > 2. Is it ok for a car relay to be "on" all the time? Is it something to do with an alarm? Did you observe the 'click' when connecting the the wires to their original blades/spades? Can you put your multi-meter in series with the hot wire to the fuse panel and set it, at first, to the highest current range (10A?) and switch it to more sensitive ranges only if the current is low. DON'T push the lighter in while in this configuration if your meter can't take the same current as the fuse. Report what you get. -- Graham W http://www.gcw.org.uk/ PGM-FI page updated, Graphics Tutorial WIMBORNE http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/ Wessex Dorset UK Astro Society's Web pages, Info, Meeting Dates, Sites & Maps Change 'news' to 'sewn' in my Reply address to avoid my spam filter. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
[...] > > Well thanks for your considerate replies. I will try some of your > suggestions, but I proceeded with my installation anyway. Hopefully > my car won't burn to the ground overnight. At least my garage is a > detached one..... > > What I've done for my changes are to remove the 10A fuse from the > cig. slot, connect the always on options blade with a wire with an > inline fuse (the same 10A) to a mini-blade (I concocted from a real > blade) that I inserted directly into the cig fuse slot at the side > that goes directly to the cig lighter. > > The idea being that I'm reusing the same wiring as before, just > powering it differently at the fuse box. > > Interesting, perhaps this sheds some light, and TELL ME IF IT MEANS I > SHOULD UNDO THIS, but a relay clicks on the moment I connected the > always on. New questions: > > 1. Could the presence of this relay be part of the reason there > was a measurable 8 ohms? The coil resistance of 12Vdc relays is twixt 50 and 150 Ohms. > 2. Is it ok for a car relay to be "on" all the time? Is it something to do with an alarm? Did you observe the 'click' when connecting the the wires to their original blades/spades? Can you put your multi-meter in series with the hot wire to the fuse panel and set it, at first, to the highest current range (10A?) and switch it to more sensitive ranges only if the current is low. DON'T push the lighter in while in this configuration if your meter can't take the same current as the fuse. Report what you get. -- Graham W http://www.gcw.org.uk/ PGM-FI page updated, Graphics Tutorial WIMBORNE http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/ Wessex Dorset UK Astro Society's Web pages, Info, Meeting Dates, Sites & Maps Change 'news' to 'sewn' in my Reply address to avoid my spam filter. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Seth coughed up:
> "Thomas G. Marshall" > <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote in > message news:%hCed.1549$eU2.227@trndny05... ....[rip]... > There is a remote chance you could burn out the coil (in the relay) > as it wasn't meant to be on 24x7. But the real concern is what else > are you powering 24x7 on that same circuit that could lead to a dead > battery in a short time (like if you didn't drive the car for a few > days). For example, due to the click you heard the second you "hot > wired" the circuit, you are powering the cig lighter AND the control > relay. I will ask this first, and then get to the rest of your questions when I have a minute. (I'm running to the garage screaming with my arms in the air)... Question: Is it possible that the 10A line is for controlling the relay /only/ and that the relay is actually a 50A line or something larger to drive the pull from a plugged in cig lighter? ....[rip]... -- Framsticks. 3D Artificial Life evolution. You can see the creatures that evolve and how they interact, hunt, swim, etc. (Unaffiliated with me). http://www.frams.alife.pl/ |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Seth coughed up:
> "Thomas G. Marshall" > <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote in > message news:%hCed.1549$eU2.227@trndny05... ....[rip]... > There is a remote chance you could burn out the coil (in the relay) > as it wasn't meant to be on 24x7. But the real concern is what else > are you powering 24x7 on that same circuit that could lead to a dead > battery in a short time (like if you didn't drive the car for a few > days). For example, due to the click you heard the second you "hot > wired" the circuit, you are powering the cig lighter AND the control > relay. I will ask this first, and then get to the rest of your questions when I have a minute. (I'm running to the garage screaming with my arms in the air)... Question: Is it possible that the 10A line is for controlling the relay /only/ and that the relay is actually a 50A line or something larger to drive the pull from a plugged in cig lighter? ....[rip]... -- Framsticks. 3D Artificial Life evolution. You can see the creatures that evolve and how they interact, hunt, swim, etc. (Unaffiliated with me). http://www.frams.alife.pl/ |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Seth coughed up:
....[rip]... > I would undo what you did and go with my wiring scheme. Here you > know you are only powering the cig lighter 24x7 and nothing else. You guys have been great. Ok, I've taken yours and Randolf's and other's advice and undid what I did. The system is back to normal. Relay has clicked back open. Now.... I've looked carefully at the cig lighter, and cannot determine how to pull it out of it's enclosure in the dash. I don't have a service manual for this thing (I think I'll go buy a bentley manual for it soon---I have one for my audi, and they're pretty good). Can you point to someplace on the web that can help me figure out what to undo? Is it a simple paragraph of explanation? I've opened up several dashboads in my time, but the mounts for this one seem pretty concealed, and at least /tight/. Thanks!!!! -- Framsticks. 3D Artificial Life evolution. You can see the creatures that evolve and how they interact, hunt, swim, etc. (Unaffiliated with me). http://www.frams.alife.pl/ |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Seth coughed up:
....[rip]... > I would undo what you did and go with my wiring scheme. Here you > know you are only powering the cig lighter 24x7 and nothing else. You guys have been great. Ok, I've taken yours and Randolf's and other's advice and undid what I did. The system is back to normal. Relay has clicked back open. Now.... I've looked carefully at the cig lighter, and cannot determine how to pull it out of it's enclosure in the dash. I don't have a service manual for this thing (I think I'll go buy a bentley manual for it soon---I have one for my audi, and they're pretty good). Can you point to someplace on the web that can help me figure out what to undo? Is it a simple paragraph of explanation? I've opened up several dashboads in my time, but the mounts for this one seem pretty concealed, and at least /tight/. Thanks!!!! -- Framsticks. 3D Artificial Life evolution. You can see the creatures that evolve and how they interact, hunt, swim, etc. (Unaffiliated with me). http://www.frams.alife.pl/ |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Thomas G. Marshall coughed up:
....[rip]... > Question: Is it possible that the 10A line is for controlling the > relay /only/ and that the relay is actually a 50A line or something > larger to drive the pull from a plugged in cig lighter? Clumsy way of asking: Does a cig lighter draw more than 10 amps? I don't want to blow the 10A fuse I put in should someone push it in by mistake. Does the relay actually control a heaftier line I wonder... ....[rip]... -- Framsticks. 3D Artificial Life evolution. You can see the creatures that evolve and how they interact, hunt, swim, etc. (Unaffiliated with me). http://www.frams.alife.pl/ |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Thomas G. Marshall coughed up:
....[rip]... > Question: Is it possible that the 10A line is for controlling the > relay /only/ and that the relay is actually a 50A line or something > larger to drive the pull from a plugged in cig lighter? Clumsy way of asking: Does a cig lighter draw more than 10 amps? I don't want to blow the 10A fuse I put in should someone push it in by mistake. Does the relay actually control a heaftier line I wonder... ....[rip]... -- Framsticks. 3D Artificial Life evolution. You can see the creatures that evolve and how they interact, hunt, swim, etc. (Unaffiliated with me). http://www.frams.alife.pl/ |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
wrote in message news:JpQed.1717$eU2.610@trndny05... > > Question: Is it possible that the 10A line is for controlling the relay > /only/ and that the relay is actually a 50A line or something larger to > drive the pull from a plugged in cig lighter? Probably not. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
wrote in message news:JpQed.1717$eU2.610@trndny05... > > Question: Is it possible that the 10A line is for controlling the relay > /only/ and that the relay is actually a 50A line or something larger to > drive the pull from a plugged in cig lighter? Probably not. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
"Thomas G. Marshall" wrote: <snip> (I think I'll go buy a bentley manual for it soon---I have one > for my audi, and they're pretty good). Yes, Bentley makes excellent service manuals. Too bad they are not available for Honda. You can get a Haynes manual at a pretty low cost, but for Honda, the Bentley equivalent is the factory manual that you can get from http://www.helminc.com. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
"Thomas G. Marshall" wrote: <snip> (I think I'll go buy a bentley manual for it soon---I have one > for my audi, and they're pretty good). Yes, Bentley makes excellent service manuals. Too bad they are not available for Honda. You can get a Haynes manual at a pretty low cost, but for Honda, the Bentley equivalent is the factory manual that you can get from http://www.helminc.com. |
Fuse socket flakey----Was: Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Seth coughed up:
> "Thomas G. Marshall" > <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote in > message news:JpQed.1717$eU2.610@trndny05... >> >> Question: Is it possible that the 10A line is for controlling the >> relay /only/ and that the relay is actually a 50A line or something >> larger to drive the pull from a plugged in cig lighter? > > Probably not. Ok, now I'm feeling a more than a little stupid. The fuse socket for the cig lighter is now flakey, presumably from a slightly odd sized blade connector that I slid into it. The blade wasn't too wide overall, it was only too wide at the tip being rectangular instead of what the mini-fuse is, which is pointed. So {author gets a rope ready for hanging} what does a new fuse "block" cost. Just the grid of receptacles (sockets)----everything else will just move from my old one to my new one. Go ahead, yuck it up.... I can "rig" it for now by shimming a wire or something in there. OI. -- Iamamanofconstantsorrow,I'veseentroubleallmydays.I bidfarewelltoold Kentucky,TheplacewhereIwasbornandraised.Forsixlong yearsI'vebeenin trouble,NopleasureshereonearthIfound.Forinthisworl dI'mboundtoramble, Ihavenofriendstohelpmenow....Maybeyourfriendsthink I'mjustastrangerMyface, you'llneverseenomore.Butthereisonepromisethatisgiv enI'llmeetyouonGod's goldenshore. |
Fuse socket flakey----Was: Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Seth coughed up:
> "Thomas G. Marshall" > <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com> wrote in > message news:JpQed.1717$eU2.610@trndny05... >> >> Question: Is it possible that the 10A line is for controlling the >> relay /only/ and that the relay is actually a 50A line or something >> larger to drive the pull from a plugged in cig lighter? > > Probably not. Ok, now I'm feeling a more than a little stupid. The fuse socket for the cig lighter is now flakey, presumably from a slightly odd sized blade connector that I slid into it. The blade wasn't too wide overall, it was only too wide at the tip being rectangular instead of what the mini-fuse is, which is pointed. So {author gets a rope ready for hanging} what does a new fuse "block" cost. Just the grid of receptacles (sockets)----everything else will just move from my old one to my new one. Go ahead, yuck it up.... I can "rig" it for now by shimming a wire or something in there. OI. -- Iamamanofconstantsorrow,I'veseentroubleallmydays.I bidfarewelltoold Kentucky,TheplacewhereIwasbornandraised.Forsixlong yearsI'vebeenin trouble,NopleasureshereonearthIfound.Forinthisworl dI'mboundtoramble, Ihavenofriendstohelpmenow....Maybeyourfriendsthink I'mjustastrangerMyface, you'llneverseenomore.Butthereisonepromisethatisgiv enI'llmeetyouonGod's goldenshore. |
Re: HELP!!! Cig. Lighter: 9 ohms between POS and GROUND????
Randolph coughed up:
> "Thomas G. Marshall" wrote: > > <snip> > > (I think I'll go buy a bentley manual for it soon---I have one >> for my audi, and they're pretty good). > > Yes, Bentley makes excellent service manuals. Too bad they are not > available for Honda. You can get a Haynes manual at a pretty low cost, > but for Honda, the Bentley equivalent is the factory manual that you > can get from http://www.helminc.com. I'm planning on hanging my own cig socket off of the power that we discussed. Is it ok to use a bolt on the chassis for ground? I know that the chassis /is/ ground anyway, but should I find a "cleaner" ground of some kind? Also, what are the potential ill effects should someone plug in something more hefty than my phone charger into something grounded directly to the chassis? Almost there (in the short term until I get the manual or someone helps me pull out the /normal/ cigarette lighter socket.) Thanks! -- http://www.allexperts.com is a nifty way to get an answer to just about /anything/. |
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