Re: Highest MPG for Non-Hybrids?
 

honda.lioness@gmail.com wrote:

> On Apr 26, 2:52 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>
>>Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote innews:fn2Jl.43931$gC1.4585@newsfe19.iad:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Tegger wrote:
>>>
>>>>honda.lion...@gmail.com wrote in news:e30b4f2b-c43f-4f86-9da5-
>>>>9efb77fbc...@l16g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>>>Anyone driving a coupe or sedan that gets less than 35 mpg is a
>>>>>leach on society.
>>
>>>>I disagree, since I pay full retail dollar for every ounce of fuel I
>>>>use. Nobody's giving me the gas at their expense.
>>
>>> Not that I necessarily agree with the 'leech' comment, but you
>>>aren't paying the full cost of gasoline. If all environmental costs
>>>were added in, *you'd* be driving that 65mpg scooter, because you
>>>wouldn't be able to afford gas for anything else...
>>
>>"Environmental costs" are invented and quantified by the capricious whim of
>>activists and politicians. They are not true costs.
>
>
> You need to google on this. Chevron, Exxon and the like pay a lot of
> money in several ways to cover environmental costs.
>


I think that is what he's saying... The associated "environmental"
costs are unneeded add ons encouraged by government etc.

JT

Re: Highest MPG for Non-Hybrids?
 

"jim beam" <retard-finger@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:drmdnY10IsyDBGnUnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> honda.lioness@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Apr 26, 10:41 am, "Pszemol" <Psze...@PolBox.com> wrote:
>>> <honda.lion...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> Why 35mpg and not 55mpg?
>>>> Because 35 is easily obtained today.
>>> Easier maybe for you bot not for everybody.
>>
>> It is an easy matter to buy a coupe or sedan that gets 35 mpg or more.
>> We disagree.
>
> why are you bothering with this guy? you'd get more sense from an
> a.l.i.c.e. bot.

Jim, what's your problem?

Re: Highest MPG for Non-Hybrids?
 

<honda.lioness@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:943d4124-2844-499f-bf69-55fd77ee5107@c18g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 26, 10:38 am, "Pszemol" <Psze...@PolBox.com> wrote:
>> <honda.lion...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:c2e25a43-2e5b-4d15-b712-f2d5ef1ae5c2@f1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Apr 26, 9:01 am, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>> >> honda.lion...@gmail.com wrote
>> >> > Anyone driving a coupe or sedan that gets less than 35 mpg is a
>> >> > leach
>> >> > on society.
>>
>> >> I disagree, since I pay full retail dollar for every ounce of fuel I
>> >> use.
>> >> Nobody's giving me the gas at their expense.
>>
>> > I meant that excessive use of oil promotes war and environmental
>> > problems.
>>
>> Then move out from the city and live in a cave in the mountains!
>
> I do not see how your answer reduces oil use.

Really? Now you use one gallon for every mile you drive.
If you move out of the city and start living in the mountains
you will not use any oil, so it will reduce oil use :-)

Re: Highest MPG for Non-Hybrids?
 

In article <Sr4Jl.166632$4m1.77999@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote:

> "The sky is falling" zealots have move far beyond environmentalism on to
> promoting the same as a religion.

Follow the money....always follow the money.

Sure, there are plenty of kookbiscuits to beat the shrubs, but the guy
handing out the bats has a financial interest and nothing BUT a
financial interest.

Re: Highest MPG for Non-Hybrids?
 

In article
<9d76198d-89f3-487e-9719-1973bd8a8a33@n7g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
honda.lioness@gmail.com wrote:

> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > honda.lion...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > It is an easy matter to buy a coupe or sedan that gets 35 mpg or more.
> >
> > Name 10.
>
> Why isn't one enough? Make sense or be ignored.

If it's an "EASY matter" then there must be choice involved.

If there's no choice involved--that is, if there's only one--then it's
not easy. It's like Russia during the cold war. You want something?
We have one--whether you like it or not.

Now YOU make sense or be ignored. Name 5 coupes/sedans that get 35mpg
or more. We'll start with the easy part.

Then we'll move on to "name 5 that people want as their sole car".
Because as you know, it doesn't make sense to have more than one car.
You buy the one that makes the most sense overall for your situation,
and which minimizes to the greatest degree your need for renting or
borrowing something different to do a specialized task.

Now, make sense or be ignored. (My guess is you're already being
ignored plenty.)

Re: Highest MPG for Non-Hybrids?
 

On Apr 26, 3:37 pm, Grumpy AuContraire <Gru...@ExtraGrumpyville.com>
wrote:
> honda.lion...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Apr 26, 2:52 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:

> >>"Environmental costs" are invented and quantified by the capricious whim of
> >>activists and politicians. They are not true costs.
>
> > You need to google on this. Chevron, Exxon and the like pay a lot of
> > money in several ways to cover environmental costs.
>
> I think that is what he's saying... The associated "environmental"
> costs are unneeded add ons encouraged by government etc.
>
> JT


This is not what I am saying. Oil spills and damage done by drilling
are very expensive. U.S. companies pay a lot by way of better
equipment and better planning to minimize both. Reason: Paying up
front is less than what it would cost otherwise.

Re: Highest MPG for Non-Hybrids?
 

On Apr 26, 3:47 pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com>
wrote:
> In article
> <9d76198d-89f3-487e-9719-1973bd8a8...@n7g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> honda.lion...@gmail.com wrote:
> > "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > > honda.lion...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > It is an easy matter to buy a coupe or sedan that gets 35 mpg or more.
>
> > > Name 10.
>
> > Why isn't one enough? Make sense or be ignored.
>
> If it's an "EASY matter"

So one is enough.

Re: Highest MPG for Non-Hybrids?
 

Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:Sr4Jl.166632$4m1.77999@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

>
>
> Tegger wrote:

>>
>> "Environmental costs" are invented and quantified by the capricious
>> whim of activists and politicians. They are not true costs.
>>
>> Now if you want to remove the SUBSIDIES from petroleum so the TRUE
>> costs are reflected in the pump price, I would wholeheartedly agree
>> with that.
>
>
> Thank You for an ounce of sanity here.
>
> "The sky is falling" zealots have move far beyond environmentalism on
> to promoting the same as a religion.



What's currently accepted as "environmentalism" IS a religion. Like any
other religion, it's based on emotion and fear, and not much else.



>
> Just to balance things out, I think I'll go for a forty mile drive in
> my '55 President sedan that only gets about 25mpg...
>


Spew some blue smoke for me, huh?


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
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Re: Highest MPG for Non-Hybrids?
 

On 2009-04-26, honda.lioness@gmail.com <honda.lioness@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 26, 3:37 pm, Grumpy AuContraire <Gru...@ExtraGrumpyville.com>
> wrote:
>> honda.lion...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Apr 26, 2:52 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>
>> >>"Environmental costs" are invented and quantified by the capricious whim of
>> >>activists and politicians. They are not true costs.
>>
>> > You need to google on this. Chevron, Exxon and the like pay a lot of
>> > money in several ways to cover environmental costs.
>>
>> I think that is what he's saying... The associated "environmental"
>> costs are unneeded add ons encouraged by government etc.
>>
>> JT
>
>
> This is not what I am saying. Oil spills and damage done by drilling
> are very expensive. U.S. companies pay a lot by way of better
> equipment and better planning to minimize both. Reason: Paying up
> front is less than what it would cost otherwise.

Sure. And every penny of those costs is passed down to the consumer.
With markup. Oil companies do not provide charity.

--
Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733
joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X

Re: Highest MPG for Non-Hybrids?
 

honda.lioness@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 26, 2:52 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>> Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote innews:fn2Jl.43931$gC1.4585@newsfe19.iad:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>> honda.lion...@gmail.com wrote in news:e30b4f2b-c43f-4f86-9da5-
>>>> 9efb77fbc...@l16g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
>>>>> Anyone driving a coupe or sedan that gets less than 35 mpg is a
>>>>> leach on society.
>>>> I disagree, since I pay full retail dollar for every ounce of fuel I
>>>> use. Nobody's giving me the gas at their expense.
>>> Not that I necessarily agree with the 'leech' comment, but you
>>> aren't paying the full cost of gasoline. If all environmental costs
>>> were added in, *you'd* be driving that 65mpg scooter, because you
>>> wouldn't be able to afford gas for anything else...
>> "Environmental costs" are invented and quantified by the capricious whim of
>> activists and politicians. They are not true costs.
>
> You need to google on this. Chevron, Exxon and the like pay a lot of
> money in several ways to cover environmental costs.
>

most of that is political fiction. they get massive development and
resource depreciation write-offs that completely out-weigh any weeny
gesture to environmental impact.

Re: Highest MPG for Non-Hybrids?
 

Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>
> Tegger wrote:
>> Leftie <No@Thanks.net> wrote in news:fn2Jl.43931$gC1.4585@newsfe19.iad:
>>
>>
>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>
>>>> honda.lioness@gmail.com wrote in news:e30b4f2b-c43f-4f86-9da5-
>>>> 9efb77fbc04a@l16g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone driving a coupe or sedan that gets less than 35 mpg is a
>>>>> leach on society.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I disagree, since I pay full retail dollar for every ounce of fuel I
>>>> use. Nobody's giving me the gas at their expense.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not that I necessarily agree with the 'leech' comment, but you
>>> aren't paying the full cost of gasoline. If all environmental costs
>>> were added in, *you'd* be driving that 65mpg scooter, because you
>>> wouldn't be able to afford gas for anything else...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Environmental costs" are invented and quantified by the capricious
>> whim of activists and politicians. They are not true costs.
>>
>> Now if you want to remove the SUBSIDIES from petroleum so the TRUE
>> costs are reflected in the pump price, I would wholeheartedly agree
>> with that.
>
>
> Thank You for an ounce of sanity here.
>
> "The sky is falling" zealots have move far beyond environmentalism on to
> promoting the same as a religion.
>
> Just to balance things out, I think I'll go for a forty mile drive in my
> '55 President sedan that only gets about 25mpg...
>
> <G>
>
> JT


As long as you don't mind your own grandchildren spitting on your
grave...

Re: Highest MPG for Non-Hybrids?
 

Tegger wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
> news:Sr4Jl.166632$4m1.77999@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
>>
>> Tegger wrote:
>
>>> "Environmental costs" are invented and quantified by the capricious
>>> whim of activists and politicians. They are not true costs.
>>>
>>> Now if you want to remove the SUBSIDIES from petroleum so the TRUE
>>> costs are reflected in the pump price, I would wholeheartedly agree
>>> with that.
>>
>> Thank You for an ounce of sanity here.
>>
>> "The sky is falling" zealots have move far beyond environmentalism on
>> to promoting the same as a religion.
>
>
>
> What's currently accepted as "environmentalism" IS a religion. Like any
> other religion, it's based on emotion and fear, and not much else.
>
>
>
>> Just to balance things out, I think I'll go for a forty mile drive in
>> my '55 President sedan that only gets about 25mpg...
>>
>
>
> Spew some blue smoke for me, huh?
>
>

Five years ago it was "global arming is a hoax." Now it's
"environmentalism is a religion." I'm not exactly young, but at least
I'm not perpetually bringing up the rear, and looking backwards to boot...

Re: Highest MPG for Non-Hybrids?
 

In article
<b1b93d51-bb75-42f2-94d6-48e6deeb5f99@d2g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
honda.lioness@gmail.com wrote:

> > > > Name 10.
> >
> > > Why isn't one enough? Make sense or be ignored.
> >
> > If it's an "EASY matter"
>
> So one is enough.

Nope.

Make sense or be ignored.

You still haven't come up with EVEN ONE, let alone 5, let alone 5 that
people would actually buy.

Re: Highest MPG for Non-Hybrids?
 

Leftie a écrit:

> I just averaged 50mpg on a quarter tank of gas with my '95 Civic
> EX sedan.

the lower with an european toyota corolla diesel (1l4 engine 1NDTV)
was 65mpg on a hot day, a 80km trip maximum speed 90km/h on high way.

the usual is 55mpg



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des doigts d'auteur! »
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Re: Highest MPG for Non-Hybrids?
 

Philippe wrote:
> Leftie a �crit:
>
>> I just averaged 50mpg on a quarter tank of gas with my '95 Civic
>> EX sedan.
>
> the lower with an european toyota corolla diesel (1l4 engine 1NDTV)
> was 65mpg on a hot day, a 80km trip maximum speed 90km/h on high way.
>
> the usual is 55mpg

wow, that's pretty sippy.